The Syndicate

For anyone who wants to answer: GTTH, do you want to lynch Rico or INH? Why?

EBWOB: would you rather lynch Rico or INH? Why?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:10 pm Eloh was not Cecil Palmer.

The real Cecil is in fact alive.

That is all.

And if nobody is silenced tomorrow, we will have a really good answer for that.

Oh, right. I'm an idiot. For some reason, I thought of Eloh as a nightkill. Yeah, nevermind. Dunno what Eloh is.

Real quiet today, and I won't be around as much the rest of the afternoon without extra effort.

*sigh*

Don't want to vote yet though. Extra effort it is.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:31 pm I'm definitely inclined towards a vote for inh and rico, but I'm in two minds. INH's points hit home big time, and I'm not sure he'd be leaning towards lynching rico right now if he really feared rico had hard info on him. So... in this moment I'm leaning towards rico.

Thank god I'm not the only one who feels this way. I just assumed the whole game had settled on "INH is bad now let's do nothing about it."

I think rico believes that INH, Sprityo, and Golden are the politicians.

Which would be amazing.

Today was anime watching afternoon, and I've been trying to catch up between episodes. Now I have a headache. And little productive has been accomplished

Trying to figure out who to vote so I can rest

I distrust everyone more than I did before the Rico spat. Just... just not a good look on anybody. Lots of derailing, and people using emotional backing for votes. I can't empathize. I have fun with this game, but I don't know what it's like to play it emotionally.

Or drunk.

Eh. Mostly sprit.

Again, I was watching anime between 90 second spurts of reading.

I don't understand posting in the moment.
My 2 cents: It is nearly impossible to read Rico as it is. I feel about 65% that he's town, but because of his hard-to-read nature, I'd rather see him go sooner than later.
That doesn't mean I'm going to vote him. Not yet.

hm

Has boomslang posted today?

I'm going to mow the grass and think.

Boomslang
Dom - Not voting here.
Dr Wilgy - Not voting here. There's more to be gained.
Epignosis - Not voting here. Silenced. I don't like lynching silenced players.
Golden - Not voting here.
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Quin - Can't vote here.
Ricochet
speedchuck - Not voting here.
sprityo
TonyStarkPrime - Not voting here.

Five players for me to pick from. I'm pretty sure I can POE something out of that.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:14 pm Truth be told, here is my biggest dilemma...

I think Jack is more likely to be bad than rico
I think sprit is more likely to be bad than INH

But it looks like the choice is going to be between rico and inh.

linki @Quin - that's a decent point re Jack. Why would you slip if you knew your teammate would flip civ?

Can you reconcile a scum Jack flip with Townie rico?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 pm Jack, I really want to understand - why should I buy your defences of rico? The only reason he is less likely a politician than inh and sprit is surely because he says so? It seems like the argument is 'because rico says inh and sprit are politician, this is more likely than rico being politician'. I have trouble with the logic here and I want you to explain it.

Rico's primary contribution has been "INH is bad" and INH's primary contribution has been "Wie is me. Stop trying to lynch me. Rico's secondary contribution has been the LC vote analysis. INH's secondary contribution has been to say non posters are least suspicious.

So I'm a vacuum, I trust Rico over INH. Stupid fake post restriction doesn't change that, though I think it IS an anti town strategy.

So at that point, Golden and Sprityo float the idea that Rico is the bad one and INH is good. Okay but wtf do you think INH is the good one? This looks like a politician ploy to lynch the guy who won't defend himself properly, complete with an "angry" Sprityo vote like "whoops no takebacksies." So I'm super convinced I need to be on Rico's side and I'll strong arm some people to keep a fellow townie from being lynched.

But since Eloh was a politician, it means that if INH is a politician, he has no buddies so this isn't a politician ploy. If INH is Strex, It didn't show much in the poll where LC got lynched. Plus Golden is definitely not Strex and I wanna say I have reason to believe Sprityo isn't, either. (Will double check.)

So now I'm back to Rico and INH in a vacuum. I still prefer an INH lynch but I'm not as certain Rico is the good one.

Like 60-35 instead of 80-20.

What is the remaining 5?

linki'd

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:26 pm I still find the regularity of targeting Jack to be rather inexplicable, all things considered.

Oh, yeah, there is that. Mh.

I'll knock him off of my list. I'm between

INH
Boomslang
Sprit

I want Jack around a little longer, and Rico... I wouldn't oppose a lynch there, but I also don't reeeallly think Rico is scum. It's iffy.

linki: Do agree with INH though. He has had other contributions, and people are weirded out by them because he doesn't read townies.

Much rather would have Rico die than INH

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:33 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:04 pm tru

idk who to vote for

rico, inh, tony, jack
who should i vote for and why

hello

Not INH or Tony. Might can get more info on Tony by tomorrow.

Now it's a coin flip.

Crap. I'm going to seem inconsistent because of a typo.

Bleh. Whatever.

Boomslang

I need to clear my head. It's pounding. See you after the lynch.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:39 pm Is there an actual case on Boomslang somewhere?

No.

Nor is there a case for him being town. Not in my estimation, anyway.

It's a chancy lynch, and it won't give as much info as other lynches. But I'm more confident in it than I am in Jack or Sprit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:45 pm I've singlehandedly gotten most of the Realms to drop the silencer role by bitching about how being silenced isn't fun.

Aye. Where I come from, most game have guarantees. Such as:

Guarantees: This setup involves no cults, jesters, obliterators, quicktopic spying, mod bastardry, alignment-changing, or game-ending third party win conditions.

Guarantees: This setup involves no guarantees. Well, except for wincons that end the game early, silencers, and any other roles you monsters might come up with that I deem would only ruin someone's fun. While many of these general rules could be broken by designing roles around them, this one is guaranteed to remain intact.

Those are two examples. Not complaining, Nju. Different places, different values.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:53 pm speedchuck, why the sudden 180 on your read of sprityo?

Which one?

I keep going back and forth on Sprit. He's grown a lot as a player since the first time I played with him.

I put Jack on the list for a while, but still can't reconcile him with the silence/vote forcing

linki: I'll have to get back to you on what the latest one is, Quin. I promise I'll answer your question in the next 24 hours. Hold me to it. But I'm going to ISO Sprit in the night period.

Okay, I can't complain about that lynch. I should have voted INH. I'm not at all certain that INH is scum, but he would have provided more info in a flip.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:25 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:15 am I can't complain about that lynch.

I mean I'm not allowed. I could have voted for INH to stop it and I didn't.

Sprit was not that useful D1.

Possible w/w with Boomslang on D1 interactions.

D2 Sprit stayed outside of the Dom/Golden spat and said he saw the lynch as a choice between them. Possibly a way to narrow the lynch to two non-teammates. Does suggest moving away from it in the same post, though.

Did vote LC, and decently early. Almost impossible that Sprit is a Strex

Is pro-INH on day 3. Seems to legitimately be a conclusion he came to. Doubt he would go pretend to ISOread INH as a teammate unless prompted.

Anti-epi around the same time

Soft defense of TSP. Votes for Eloh. Expresses distaste for the TSP lynch, blames it on a gut feeling.

While I don't know Sprit's stance on post gimmicks and cursing people to use them, I do know him. The emotional outburst at Jack on D1, and the vote for Rico... I suspect those are 100% genuine.
I've seen more than one Spritsplosion in my time.


Upon ISO, I cannot condone a vote on Sprit. He's not strex, and if Eloh is the dragon, he's probably not politicians. I doubt w/w with INH.

If he's doing weird thing with the Eloh vote, I guess Boomslang could be politician with him, but I find it very unlikely.

Moderate townread.

I might ISO some others if I find the time.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:16 am speedchuck's most recent bout of posting reeks of "i was right all along and you weren't"

Which means?

I mean, I lamented Golden's vote at the time of posting. But if I was so sure it was wrong, I should have done something about it.

This is more of a case of "Crap, I should have listened to me."

Boomslang - ?
Dom - Town
Dr Wilgy - Town
Epignosis - ?
Golden - Town
insertnamehere - ?
Quin - ?
Ricochet - ?
speedchuck - Town
sprityo - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Tan

I'm going to <hopefully> ISO the question marks and also Golden this phase.

Boomslang ISO:

Silly suspish post on Jack about lololololol. Stays after him just a bit on D1.

Says "if you (Golden) were baddie, you could make that claim (That Made is town) with accuracy"
Not how it works. There are two scumteams and an indie. Of course, scum knows who is on their team, so from their point of view, there is only one scumteam.
Possible scumslip, but I'm probably thinking too hard.

Again says that Golden earned CivBucks for the position on the Made lynch. Which means nothing with two scumteams.

Keeps mentioning Neverwhere as a possible scum for analysis/pursuit. Doesn't ever follow up.

Ridiculous theory on D2: "If Rico keeps switching voices, could he be the five heads of Hiram McDaniels?"
It's too blatant to be something a politician would say? WIFOM.

Votes TSP D2. Doesn't go after INH at all. LC is absent from all D1/D2 posts.

Votes TSP again. Never backs off on TSP being bad.

Moderate scumread. I see no reason Boomslang couldn't be Strex.

Neverwhere posted a bit D1, but said nothing of any value. No content. Sad!

Voted Made, while claiming it was for crappy reasons.

Spent a couple of posts on D2 excusing her D1 actions.

Doesn't think Roci is scum because of posting gimmick. Doesn't see a scum motive.

Gets replaced. Neverwhere's lack of content makes Boomslang look worse for the way he pushed at her I think.

QUIN TIME

High effort analysis of the werid TSP/Eloh lynch. Quin misunderstands how the Glow cloud works.

Gives a good theory about Eloh not having time to write the posts.

Asks if Rico is cursed. Beginning to doubt that Quin could be a politician. :P I don't think he'd go for this much wine. Could be wrong.

Golden, how is Quin outed as confirmed town?

Quin makes excellent points about Jack and Epi not targeting themselves. Rules Epi off of one scumteam, Jack off the other.

*reads through the rest*

Quin seems supatown to me.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:31 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:25 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:15 am I can't complain about that lynch.

I mean I'm not allowed. I could have voted for INH to stop it and I didn't.

How do you know voting for INH would've stopped the lynch of Jack? Unless you're Vanston, it just would've created a three-way tie.

For that matter, do we even know how ties are broken in this game?

AGH I keep getting Rico and INH backward. Thought INH was the one with 3 votes last night. Point is, I could have broken the tie, and should have. I almost responded to INH and said "No, that would have been a three way tie."

And no, we don't know how ties are broken.

I'm stupid.
Continuing ISO.

EPI

Lots of jokes/non-hunty posts D1. Suspicion of TSP. Isn't a fan of the Made lynch train. Votes Dom with Golden.

Questions the ability to lynch TSP if he bad when people think he's a weak target.

Claims Tony is Marcus based on lynch pattern.

"P O P P Y That's me!"

"All I can say in my own defense is that I would never bring back this foolishness (not to mention that it is a clearer avenue for communication than what you had been doing)."

WIFOM that as you will. At this point in the game, I'm not sure it matters who was in Blue Velvet.

Pretty good questions regarding the lynch choices of D1. Could use more of that, but Epi keeps getting silenced.

Suspicion thrown around, but Epi seems to be doing the very opposite of tunnelling. He asks questions, sometimes makes statements about what he thinks is scummy, then moves on without pursuing.

Not enthused about my LC vote, and wants to question me about it. Possibly to dissuade other LC voters?

Good questions still. Trying to make people consider options and state positions.

Also believed INH is behind the curse on D2. Ready to lynch INH over it.

Has a townread on Lorab.

A bunch of night 2 stuff. Thinks Jack and INH might be teammates. Keeps asking people about INH.

Poses that none of LC's voters are his teammates. I agree.

Sass

Increasingly incriminating toward Jack and INH. Especially Jack. The days of non-tunnelling non-pursuing are over.

Backs off, promises to scrutinize the outliers. Immediately gets silenced.
1. Could be he backed off in order not to get caught in a possible town lynch
2. Could be that the outliers silenced Epi to avoid his scrutiny

Does some romance of three kingdoms analysis.

Suspects Timmer of hiding.

Keeps coming back to INH suspicion.

Kicks off some of the theorizing about TSP after the wonky lynch

Opposes the Rico vote.

Final read: I have no friggin idea. I go through all of this, and I don't feel like I've gained anything. He was right about Timmer, had decent defenses of himself, and asked some good questions.
At the same time, Nothing stopping epi from being really good scum.
The best argument for Epi being town is that he wouldn't silence himself. He's either a politician or town. I'd think that Epi would be against the strange WIFOM playstyle of the politicians.

SLIIIIIIGHT town read.

Says he has more fun playing as Mafia. I'm close to the same way, but I also have fun as a power role.
Haaate being vanilla town.

Willing to protect Rico after blue velvet. Doesn't like votes for Sprit. States WIFOM on Made train, but follows anyway.

Throws some WIFOM on Golden's assessment of his own innocent playstyle.

Guesses that whoever cursed Rico with POPPY would state something publicly against it to distance from the curse.

When asked for reads, INH reiterated in good detail what he thinks of Golden, and also disagrees strongly with Rico's reasons for suspecting INH.

INH makes a rainbow list of people with votes.
INH
Dom
TSP
LC
Golden

Golden is surprisingly low, but he put LC low as well. Then again, I don't think anybody thinks INH is strex.

INH makes good arguments for not being the person who cursed Rico.

INH proposes Boomslang, Sprit, or Eloh instead of the other D2 lynches. Given our suspicion of Eloh, not bad looking.

INH votes for LC for self-defense. Clearly he wasn't really expecting a hit.

INH says he'll look at Epi, TSP, Eloh, and Boomslang.
[?], [Tan Man?], [Politician?], and [scum?] respectively, at least for me.

Continues asking for an actual case on him that doesn't have to do with POPPY or a lack of townreads.

INH mistakes Faceless Lady and LC as being on the same team. Genuine?
He doubles down when Epi gives a cage-y response.

INH gets frustrated with people scumreading him for the stupid curse thing.

INH considers several other people as possible FOLs. Including the people that have been cursed (Which I've been considering as well)

INH talks strategy behind the curses, possibly meant to mislead town.

Rainbow list at that point
INH
Boomslang
JOH
Dom
Sprityo
Timmer
Neverwhere
Wilgy
Lorab
Golden
Speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Elochin

INH's read on Rico has changed for the worse. Probably due to the tunnelling Rico has been doing.

Votes Eloh. Do people think INH and Eloh are w/w? Makes good arguments there too

Reacts well to the Eloh lynch IMO.

Readlist:
INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Proceeds to answer questions about the readlist in a reasonable manner.

Votes Rico

More of the same for D4.
Guys I think INH is town.

Also screw it I'm not ISOing Rico.

And posts I haven't looked at. Golden, what do you think of my ISOs? Specifically for Sprit and Epi?

Fair enough.

I'll see if I can ISO Golden before the night is up. Then I'll be done ISOing.

MADE - TOWN
JACK - TOWN
insertnamehere - Town
speedchuck - Town
sprityo/Rico - Town
Golden - Town
Dom - Town
Dr Wilgy - Town
Quin - Town
LORAB - TOWN
Epignosis - Town
NUTELLA - TOWN

TIMMER - POLITICIANS
ELOH - POLITICIANS
Ricochet/Sprit - Politicians

LONG CON - STREX
Boomslang - Strex
DF - STREX

TonyStarkPrime - Tan

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I bolded the ones I felt most confident in. CAPS are dead townies. This is my running theory. I'm trying to see a cohesive picture, and it's hard with two scumteams.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:53 pm Ricochet... - Politicians

I didn't ISO you. If you have a reason for me to not put you in that slot, please do post it.

Your sarcasm is noted.

Golden, can you link to the timmer hunting?

Isolate Posts by Ricochet

Not clicking on that

Hm.

Fair enough. And like you pointed out, Rico hasn't been concerned with looking bad.

I've never actually been able to figure out what those x-eyed faces mean on your reads, rico

Anybody else got an idea? He linked to the polls. But I haven't voted for Golden or Dom. Only LC.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:58 pm I have to say Speedchuck has been....different this game.

He doesn't compare to even his plays in Phenon where he was independent. And I know he's a fully capable player.

Different in what way?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:32 pm different as in.....idk the quality maybe? i think your most recent big wall of stuff was what i was expecting more early on. but it took you a second to get up to that point i suppose

After the game, I'll let you know why it took me a while. It's for out-of-game reasons, and it's frustrating.
Don't let that affect your read though. I hate out-of-game excuses, as you well know.

Boomslang primarily. With lesser candidates among the rest. Still need to ISO Golden.

Still think Sprit is good.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:42 pm Speed is sure it isn't chuck.

Boomslang could be it. I had him pegged a little more toward Strex, though. Boomslang suggested this:
"If Rico keeps switching voices, could he be the five heads of Hiram McDaniels?"

Didn't think politician in tone, but it's just WIFOM. Which the politicians have 100% done.

If boomslang is politician, he's done a really good job of not seeming aligned with Eloh and Timmer.