The Syndicate

BTW, if you/someone are doctor/jailkeeper, I think you should claim if about to be lynched. Hear me out.

DJ doesn't claim: DJ gets lynched, mafia kills someone they want dead.
DJ does claim: Town chooses a second option for lynch, mafia kills DJ.

Both result in DJ dead, but one also results in a town controlled lynch instead of mafia kill.

I don't think you're the doc/jailer considering how little you're trying to live, but I wanted to put this out there. Thoughts?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:26 pm I'm not really sure I understand the new meta where people ignore evidence in favor of solely focusing on vibes but I still think DDL deserves a thorough looking at.

It's not a meta, it's just me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 pm The jailer will have just as much time to do their job regardless of whether or not a lynch happens

Don't make me bring out num-

huh, you're right. I could go no-lynch.

Keep in mind that NT's vote doesn't count.

I'm an idiot who cannot follow my own math.

No lynch is fine today.

I'm on no-lynch.

Discussion is crap, protection role is alive, current numbers say we'll gain an extra day (one less number will put us at Lylo rather than Mylo if we no lynch and continue as normal). Math checks out. Logic checks out. Kylemii is giving me good feels.

Anybody around and up for it?

Do show us why tho Cbob.

20 minutes left

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:34 pm Please elaborate on what made you do a 180° in your previous logical reasoning.

Stupidity and doctor role messing with my head. That plus not really wanting to lynch DDL or Kyle, and being refuted/checked on my math while I was really sick and tired.
Nice job copying my format btw.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:08 pm Speed, I have a good idea of your opinions on DDL and Kyle at this point in the game. Tell me about your opinions on them now.

DDL doesn't look good on votes, but I'd eat my hat if he wasn't town. Kylemii has seemed sort of sketchy, but also very earnest and genuine.
I'd put Kyle above null, and DDL as moderate town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:03 am How did we come to the point where we no-lynched twice?

We haven't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:01 pm
We haven't.

Not yet, but it is looking like the best move.

Though you can argue whether it's better to do it now or in Day 6

Uh, are we at MYLO now?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:01 pm
We haven't.

Not yet, but it is looking like the best move.

Though you can argue whether it's better to do it now or in Day 6

Uh, are we at MYLO now?

@Dragon D. Luffy
@colonialbob


Yes!

I have no idea why anyone is voting or contemplating voting for anyone.

There are no more power roles. A mislynch is a mafia win.

We can win if we lynch right today, no lynch next, and then lynch right again in the next day.

I'm not decided whether that or no lynching now is the best move, tho.

There are two mafias left

Sorry guys, I've been sick and it's sapping a lot of my motivation. I've only got one question to answer, it looks like, and I'll answer that in my next post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:34 pm @speedchuck

I see you. Tell me why you shouldn't be lynched/who is scum.

I'll give you my gut reads before any back-research, having just read the past couple of pages and been skimming while sick.

speedchuck - the best guy

Dragon D. Luffy - DDL feels too comfortable to be scum. Strong gutread.
Buuuuutt.... This past day's content has not looked that great on him. DDL was a strong town presence, and I don't like how easily he passed the baton to jack. That says more about DDL being willing to let others self-destruct than it says about Jack. He's turned defensive and passive.
Jackofhearts2005 - Good content and pushing since D5 started, especially for no lynch. Feel like scum would be happy to let the game sit/go for mislynch for insta win. Could just be super high effort, but feels pretty genuine.
But inactive slot.
Kylemii - I'm not going to lay any blame here for being tricked into mathematical no-lynch. I was confused, stupid, inconsistent. I do recommend reading the context, though.
Kyle has been consistently earnest and also nearly consistently inconsistent on the wrong side of things. For example, this no-lynch. After the fact, he says that DDL and me are his biggest suspects. That makes zero sense with his actions. I suggested we change the lynch, but not go to DDL. Someone who suspected me would have ignored my suggestions and seen it as stronger evidence that I was 'saving' DDL (Though I could have just left things on Kyle). You don't follow the suggestion of one of your suspects to change your plans and also save your other suspect.
So like I said. Earnest, but making some very confusing choices that are contradictory and scum beneficial.
Got that one MP vote going for him too.
sig - Convenient time to coast, right? I had a very light townread on Sig in the early days, and was content with that. Apparently Sig was as well.
colonialbob - if one of the no-show/replacements this game was a scummer, this is my pick. I think it's likely, and neither occupant of the slot has done anything to give me a townread. At MYLO, it's easy for scum to phone it in, especially with low effort townies like sick!me.
Also don't like the way that the slot is treating the no lynch. Could be other-site weirdness, could be a ploy to accidentally leave too many votes awry. Giving that one a 50-50.

Color coded for convenience, but I'm not so sure of my readlist anymore.

As for your first question, jack, I make it a habit not to defend myself too much. Once I've given my actions a bit of explanation, I feel my efforts are better focused on scumhunting. If I am town, it will become apparent, or I'll need to up my town play. No excuses or strong regrets offered.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:07 pm Kylemii - I'm not going to lay any blame here for being tricked into mathematical no-lynch. I was confused, stupid, inconsistent. I do recommend reading the context, though.
Kyle has been consistently earnest and also nearly consistently inconsistent on the wrong side of things. For example, this no-lynch. After the fact, he says that DDL and me are his biggest suspects. That makes zero sense with his actions. I suggested we change the lynch, but not go to DDL. Someone who suspected me would have ignored my suggestions and seen it as stronger evidence that I was 'saving' DDL (Though I could have just left things on Kyle). You don't follow the suggestion of one of your suspects to change your plans and also save your other suspect.
So like I said. Earnest, but making some very confusing choices that are contradictory and scum beneficial.
Got that one MP vote going for him too.

But that's wrong. I suspected you or DDL, not you and DDL.

Ah, that makes . . . slightly more sense.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm @Dragon D. Luffy okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude

What lax attitude?

I picked a criterium for lynching and i'm using it.

I think that no lynch was the most anti-town event to happen in the entire game so I'm betting there is a baddie among those who did it.

And bob hasn't done much all game so I'm fine with this lynch.

Are you 'fine' with staking the entire game on it? If bob is town, it's game over.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:22 pm Mafia is Speedchuck and Jack

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm Even though I'm pretty sure I singlehandedly lost the game for everyone by being really bad at everything I enjoyed this game a lot and it was a pretty good reintroduction back into games.

You did good. Had a correct read on me for most of the game. I'll look forward to playing with you again.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm Even though I'm pretty sure I singlehandedly lost the game for everyone by being really bad at everything I enjoyed this game a lot and it was a pretty good reintroduction back into games.

You did good. Had a correct read on me for most of the game. I'll look forward to playing with you again.

Same here.

Hey Speedchuck, did you talk me into the no lynch knowing it would be the most advantageous for you?

It would have been more advantageous to let you die. I was acting townie, genuinely trying to keep you a live, and did a legit mind fart on the lynch.

My "Oh, I'm stupid" moment was real.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 pm Why did you guys kill me?

You were too good tho

DDL, I like the new avatar

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:28 pm Fun game, Captain. Laughed every time Jimmy posted.

Fist bump to Speed. Couldn't have won without ya.

Right back atcha!

Oh, and good job avoiding a lynch for a day, MP, so I could look good bussing you and waste a town day on Wilgy.

For the record, didn't have a legit reason to lynch Wilgy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:03 pm ~ From Days 2 through 5, the game slowed significantly. Indeed, nearly half of the posts in this game thread occurred on Day 1 -- let that sink in. It is of course understandable that some folks had things going on in real life and that's perfectly fine. The entire civilian faction just shut down though, and it allowed speedchuck and later Jack to simply take over the game. They became essentially unlynchable because they were the most influential voices in the thread. Even if they were suspected they weren't getting lynched, and I think they were both pretty comfortable. A comfortable mafia team is rarely going to lose.

I think this is really what kept me in the game. I made a lot of stupid moves this game, moves that should have been called out. But I was so confident and comfortable in my D1 lynch of Wilgy and my no-lynch decision, so ready to ignore them myself, that it put a damper on calling me out.

My confidence and willingness to stick to my guns gave me an edge, I think. First time I've tried that as scum. Don't know if it will work again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:19 pm In fact I prefer to disallow silencers from targeting any player twice period.