The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:08 pm I suspect DDL and to a greater degree Marmot, so I'd say no.

Neither of these players are scum, barring misdirections.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:08 pm I suspect DDL and to a greater degree Marmot, so I'd say no.

Neither of these players are scum, barring misdirections.

We are beyond being coy, and the rules permit dumps. Dump.

....what more does he have to say? he has a cop role and he's already cleared Marmot before, idr about DDL, but like.... I think this is self-explanatory

Yeah, I dumped Marmot on D4. DDL was my first check, back on N1

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:08 pm I suspect DDL and to a greater degree Marmot, so I'd say no.

Neither of these players are scum, barring misdirections.

We are beyond being coy, and the rules permit dumps. Dump.

....what more does he have to say? he has a cop role and he's already cleared Marmot before, idr about DDL, but like.... I think this is self-explanatory

Yeah, I dumped Marmot on D4. DDL was my first check, back on N1

Can you give me the links?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:37 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:07 pm Where my boy speedchuck at

I'll tell you.

If you vote me in the poll.

tell me who you targeted last night and i will

Marmot. He cool.

I don't think I said anything about DDL because I was confused about the setup at the time, having just replaced in, and since I got an allegiance instead of alignment, I wasn't sure.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:02 am If speedchuck is good, then Marmot is good, and DDL I guess is good, and if I am good then sprityo is good.

That's five cleared. Move civilians.

This is good

Why is cBob getting lumped in with RDW and I_D?

People are basically claiming info on these three, and I wanna know why.

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

Nevermind, it seems that RDW and cBob are Epi extrapolations, reads, not scumfirms. I would like to hear more about those two, though. I've had a townread on RDW since replacing in.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:44 am It’s worth noting that Iron Dwarf will not die if he’s lunched, unless he’s already been targeted for a kill.

I’m at work now, and I will do this when I get home, but I want to see from everyone their guess at who the five scum are. Don’t give me rainbows, don’t give me town reads, just give me the five names that you GTG read scum.

RDW
Marmot
Speedchuck
DDL
Kenway
Kylemii
gwil
nut
cbob
Kites
ID
Epi
Sprit
Lap
Sig
Quin

List of living players (I think), for anyone doing this

Kites/Kylemii
Sprit
ID
Quin
cbob

This is a crappy list of five, but I'd bet that there are 3 scum in it at least. Best guess by POE.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:44 am It’s worth noting that Iron Dwarf will not die if he’s lunched, unless he’s already been targeted for a kill.

So, uh, what needs to be done about that?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:52 am Kites/Kylemii
Sprit
ID
Quin
cbob

This is a crappy list of five, but I'd bet that there are 3 scum in it at least. Best guess by POE.

How can you have me in this list but not Epi? Me and him literally have btsc and are both doctors

Ha completely forgot you two had BTSC. Lots to keep up with.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:44 pm So wea we really lynching ID today despite knowing it's likely he will survive it?

Because I'd rather hear someone hit him with a kill beforehand.

He has to die twice. Right?

Why not have the lynch first and then kill him? I don't see how order matters. If he's scum, why put off the lynch?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:12 pm Jack has told me a few times that our having a masonic relationship doesn't guarantee that we're both civ, but that's led to some confusion for me, regarding background powers, because if Kenway could potentially be mafia but also have btsc with me wouldn't that make his civ background power (in the scenario where he's mafia) also just a real power? unless in that scenario the btsc were only supplied by my huge wizardly muscles and he would just be the recipient of it. except I was told we could just start up our btsc as soon as day 3 began, which implied that Kenway already knew about our oncoming btsc, so it must have also been part of his role background??? right?? or else i'd just seem like some random dude messaging him

I can't follow this.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:12 pm Jack has told me a few times that our having a masonic relationship doesn't guarantee that we're both civ, but that's led to some confusion for me, regarding background powers, because if Kenway could potentially be mafia but also have btsc with me wouldn't that make his civ background power (in the scenario where he's mafia) also just a real power? unless in that scenario the btsc were only supplied by my huge wizardly muscles and he would just be the recipient of it. except I was told we could just start up our btsc as soon as day 3 began, which implied that Kenway already knew about our oncoming btsc, so it must have also been part of his role background??? right?? or else i'd just seem like some random dude messaging him

I can't follow this.

you totally can

Not really. It's the setup. Why wouldn't the civ background power also be a mafia power? How does that work? What is your conclusion?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:44 pm So wea we really lynching ID today despite knowing it's likely he will survive it?

Because I'd rather hear someone hit him with a kill beforehand.

He has to die twice. Right?

Why not have the lynch first and then kill him? I don't see how order matters. If he's scum, why put off the lynch?

Because I want to add a scum player to the dead role list ASAP. We need it for teammate analysis. And a kill can always fail. I don't mind if ID is one of the last scum to fall, but the first one needs to be soon.

If the kill fails, we're right back to where we started. Right? If you really think I_D is scum, you should want him lynched. That life has to go at some point. Better now than later.

Besides, does he even have two lives? Wouldn't that role be fake if he's scum, based on what Kylemii was just talking about? Should we find out?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:28 pm 2. Kenway can be anything, and some mafia fakeclaim cover passive abilities are actually active and real

This is my guess. With this much information in the game, if mafia doesn't have similar abilities to the fake ones, it'd be easy to call them out mechanically. Just game balance-wise.

But I've had a townread on Kenway like, forever. Since before I knew him.

I'm more of an odd-night townfirmer. :P Misdirections and blocks though.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:00 pm I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:45 pmThis is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

who all was up for lunch at that time?

I'm always up for lunch.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:16 am Marmot was ID'd as good, correct?

Yep.

[mention]sig[/mention], since Epi asked, I'll repeat it. Who have you killed?

And could people stop suspecting Marmot? He's likely town.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:59 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:00 am And could people stop suspecting Marmot? He's likely town.

Is there a reason besides "I copped him and don't get badguyia"?

If there was, I wouldn't have copped him.

Redirects are the only reason I'm saying "likely" instead of "confirmed".

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:08 pm speedchuck did you have vote steal last night? On whom?

Tried Kenway. Action failed for some reason.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:20 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:18 pm so that's 7pm in regular time?

If you don't know what timezone you live in, then I don't know either.

7 PM in California, 10 PM in New York.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:43 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:20 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:18 pm so that's 7pm in regular time?

If you don't know what timezone you live in, then I don't know either.

pacific time zone, aka god's timezone

In godless California? I don't think so.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:04 pm I would rather lynch quin or nutella than iron dwarf

Why Nutella?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:05 pm did anyone successfully use their power last night?

Yes

Who did you use it on? With there being no kills, does your power provide any damning evidence?

If you judge that your result is better withheld, then that's fine.

Right, so we're lynching Quin today? I've been distracted.

Oh hey, I was at church. 30 minutes left.

Totally willing to switch to IronDwarf to get one of them lives outta de wae. But Quin is just as likely bad.

Anyone want to do anything, or do we just chill?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:34 am @speedchuck who were the folks you've cleared/semi-cleared?

follow-up question, do your results get displayed as "_____ player is from ____ town" or is it just the town name!

Something like the former.

There could still be shenannigans surrounding the results, but they're pretty concrete.

For those who were asking, I've ID'd DDL and Marmot.

Oh, sweet!

Dunno why I'm the one saving the day, but don't I look cute doing it?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:58 am

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:54 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:38 am Also Nutella is highly likely to be town now

For going where the majority went?

Unless quin has been trying to distance from Lapluie and Nutella all game, Nutella was the most resistant against quin

I agree with this. Voting Nutella in the poll.

Reminder of the playerlist, near-townfirms, and my more confident reads.

Town:
rabbit8
Dr White
ColinIsCool
TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
Long Con
DrWilgy

Mafia:
Quin

Remaining:

Speedchuck
DDL
Marmot
Epi
Sprit
nutella
RDW
Kenway
Kylemii
gwil
lapluie
cbob
Kites
sig
Iron_dwarf

Poll Resetti'd.



Voted for Nutella again.

I want to know more about Epi's chat with sprit.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:27 pm I want to know more about Epi's chat with sprit.

Effectively Masons with a protect because Mac died

RIP MacDougall

Would you consider the possibility that Epi is scum? Why/Why not?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:04 pm I mean, not more than speed and myself do*

Not one of my finer moments. I've played like crap all week though.

I don't suspect you for it either. For nice and wonderful reasons.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:14 pm The more I look at Epi's vote on ID in day 5 the more I think it's too obvious a move for a baddie to make.

But I dunno, WIFOM.

There's also the connection with Sprit. I'd rather look at others first.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:10 pm Anyway, when I said I'm protecting epi I lied I'm actually protecting spirit

Or is it the other way around?

The two of them are already protecting each other anyway.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:30 pm @speedchuck @lapluie

Night results?

Lapluie didn't cop tonight.

I did cop her. Got a town result. I saw someone asking me to cop I_D, but it was after the deadline. Will cop next time.
Or we could get Lapluie to do it tonight.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:45 pm Let’s just hope RDW doesn’t turn out to be Ring

We gotta kill the Ring eventually, and we don't have the luxury of lynching people in order.

What are the reasons to lynch RDW aside from bad vote placement?

If we're gonna run away with a train, I at least want to know why. I've got my own crap vote placement, heck, lots of the players here do. More, probably, than we know about.

DDL himself said that tons of players have sucky content WRT Quin.

And I've been reading RDW as town all game till today, so I wanna know what's up before I vote.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:21 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:10 pm What are the reasons to lynch RDW aside from bad vote placement?

If we're gonna run away with a train, I at least want to know why. I've got my own crap vote placement, heck, lots of the players here do. More, probably, than we know about.

DDL himself said that tons of players have sucky content WRT Quin.

And I've been reading RDW as town all game till today, so I wanna know what's up before I vote.

Well for one thing his reactions to this train have been, dare I say it, "disgusting"

Why have you read him town?

Tone. Aggressiveness. Willingness to commit, hopeful of the outcome. If he's town, it seems to have backfired.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:27 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:21 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:10 pm What are the reasons to lynch RDW aside from bad vote placement?

If we're gonna run away with a train, I at least want to know why. I've got my own crap vote placement, heck, lots of the players here do. More, probably, than we know about.

DDL himself said that tons of players have sucky content WRT Quin.

And I've been reading RDW as town all game till today, so I wanna know what's up before I vote.

Well for one thing his reactions to this train have been, dare I say it, "disgusting"

Why have you read him town?

Tone. Aggressiveness. Willingness to commit, hopeful of the outcome. If he's town, it seems to have backfired.

Willingness to commit?

If I were scum, I would have better vote placement than RDW. He's been waffley, sure, but BOLDLY waffle-y. If that makes sense.

I've 'cleared' Lapluie, but at the same time, I'm pretty sure I'd be dead if there wasn't a way for mafia to counter my checks. Then again, they killed Marmot, so...

I'm voting Iron_Dwarf and leaving mafia for the day.

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

Good luck.

Oh good. Day not ended yet. I'll catch up later, now that I'm back in town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:05 pm Oh good. Day not ended yet. I'll catch up later, now that I'm back in town.

It did.

Who ded?

Has it resolved?

wat

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:17 am myrmeridon crime boy quin was dead at the time of speed targeting lapluie, of the things we know about myrmrmodon ddl or mercenary cbob could be responsible for a wrong result, though it seems like if speed had his target changed then he'd still know who his end target result was from, based on what he's said about his result PMs.

the other possibilities are that the mafia has some sort of info-fuck ability like a seemer or w/e. Maybe rising star pointer looks like a civ when checked or something? Or maybe a different one of their background roles can fuck with info-gets.

Or maybe...I don't know...speedchuck lied?

I have as much info as you guys do. I've sent a PM, just to see if I could learn anything, and Jack isn't giving me an answer. Which, to be fair, I expected, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

To me, this confirms something I have suspected: Mafia has to have a buttload of tricks behind their town role things. They would have to if they want to keep up with a game that has multiple power roles for every player, along with alignment checks, percentage-based vigkills, and townie BTSC.

I'll keep giving you guys my results, but I don't trust them explicitly.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] You know Occam's Razor? That nifty tool that says the correct solution to a problem is the one that makes the fewest assumptions? We can look at that with RDW.

For RDW to be town, we have to assume that he doesn't know who scum is and has made poor (uninformed) decisions.
For RDW to be scum, we have to assume that he's been trying to save his teammates, that nobody on the team BTSC has been able to sway him into bussing, that he has no concept of bussing to begin with, etc.

RDW's vote tracking has been awful. Townies are known to do that. I actually don't know scum to do that, assuming they have a decent grasp of the game, and assuming that they have access to BTSC.

RDW has hit me with town tone all game, and the abysmal vote tracking isn't really a point against him IMO.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:53 pm He would have no problem throwing any of his teammates under the bus if it looked like a good opportunity for him. I dunno if voting works differently where you’ve played most, but on RYM, a lot of players would vote specifically to get a reaction out of someone. Rdw is an instigator. It’s not that he doesn’t see the logic of things, it’s more that he plays by getting reactions out of other players. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

His meta also points to what I'm seeing.

I get your case, I understand why it looks strong, but this is why I'm not going to follow you on it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:12 pm What do you think of Sig?

I buy your vote tracking argument on him better than RDW's. He was a part of a lynch that was clearly a bus, and my mama always told me to beware the 4th-or-so vote on a lynch. The rest looks opportunistic and lurk-ish.

But I'd have to look at his actual posts, and I'll see about doing that soon.