The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:01 pm Moved my vote to speedchuck

WAIT SHIT I'M IN THE LEAD HOW

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:56 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:01 pm Moved my vote to speedchuck

what was the best thing i said about colonialbob?

If I remembered that you wouldn't be lynching me. Lazy lack-of-time-to-dig play is not mafia play. It would be scummy if I was trying to push a Cbob lynch right now. I'm not. Catching up

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:08 am Jack, having just stolen my ship and marooned me on a desert island with speedchuck as your partner, what is your opinion of him in this game?

Bad.

There's no smoking gun like him shooting Wilgy and then no lynch last game but he feels way too passive. More like Pirates Speed than any other version of Speed.

Agreed. That is my current play because this game is so friggin meaty. You'll find out that it's not alignment indicative in about 2 hours at this rate.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:23 am speedchuck

This. This is the worst thing about Cbob right now. (I'm kidding, this is not an OMGUS, don't shoot me)

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.

Exactly how I feel about that.

IDK. This is pretty much par for the course for Epi and LC. If it were any other two players, nah.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:52 am Also, I'm gonna definitively say that I do not buy into the theory that jay or dom was saved yesterday. I think mesk was a bad lynch, but I don't think she was lynched out of a deliberate effort to save anybody. There were no strong candidates anywhere. The thread was loaded with uncertainty and any vote would have been a blind shrug. Mesk just happened to be the final candidate named, so she got the votes. And, like I said earlier, I was ultimately the reason she was lynched instead of Jay. I don't think this is a good argument to use against either jay or malakim.

Thank you.

I'm also considering the idea that we syndicate players are overfond of sticking CFDs up our own butt without any prodding.

JJJ's readthing on me was really good. You guys should read it.

Moved my vote to Wilgy.

JJJ basically stated that his playstyle is different this game, partly for the same reason as mine. I buy that. I buy it hard.

Wilgy hasn't pinged me, but I agree that I haven't read anything strong from him.

Basically, I'm freaking clueless, which should be as strong an indicator as any that I'm town dammit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:14 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:26 pm and with that drwilgy has become a 10 year old boy

Rude. Pokémon is awesome.

I'm playing through yellow right now, my first pokemon game ever.

You guys and your stupid end of day fire drills. I might have defended myself and made some content if I were here, or if this had happened earlier in the day. 4 hours ago I was less suspected than half the playerbase. Now suddenly I'm a unanimous lynch.

linki: I don't even know what you mean, but I'm insulted jack. My mafia lynch choices are way better than my town lynch choices. Or at least, more certain.

Welp. In view of my legacy, I'll have you know that this is the strongest town game I can handle when there are 3k posts and 93% of the game is still alive.

linki: did somebody say CFD?

Oh wait no sloonei moved I'm staying here.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:33 am CFD. For the fourth night in a row. No thanks I'll stick with speed.

I am the CFD. Original was JJJ.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:44 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:41 am Hey what is Speedchuck like when he's civ?

On point.
Far less lurky.

The second. Not the first. But thank you.
Also dang, when WAS my last civ game before this?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:55 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pmKylemii - BAD
Kyle being scum would depend on Mesk/Lasagne being good, I think. But when Kyle pops in and goes after Mesk, I can'thelp but feel that it's opportunistic. And maybe it's my lack of ISOs, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Kyle's style of play thus far. And then most of today's content has been a meta argument with Dunya that nobody else can follow, and it rubbed me the wrong way. I also had a light scumread on Kylemii last week. So yeah, Imma call it. Despite what I said in one of these other reads, I'll probably ISO someone before directly agreeing to a lynch, but Kyle is a contender.

Amount of correctness (none) aside don't you think this would be a pretty important theory not to forget about in the case that it's something you truly felt when you wrote it?

Maybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

You people know this. You know I'm more consistent and pushy as scum then town. I may have ruined my whole meta with Pirates mafia, and that's rather upsetting. But Pirates was still me being more pushy and consistent that this game.

Scum on my wagon, btw. This crap doesn't just happen.

I almost don't feel like helping you people, but there's my 2 cents. Go buy an old timey hard candy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:14 am does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

Ah, you've cheered me up.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:12 amMaybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

I was pushed as a suspect by Sloonei Epignosis and cbob to some extent, and I think maybe one other person... A bunch of people said I looked bad, maybe not because of the thing you said, but I feel like that might have been a good opportunity.

Maybe I'm looking for reads more than opportunities. I don't know guys. I'm getting too tired for this. Let me go grab my old legacy post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:23 am Welp. In view of my legacy, I'll have you know that this is the strongest town game I can handle when there are 3k posts and 93% of the game is still alive.

There. This is my last post tonight. Good luck I guess.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:09 am I'm still not voting for malakim any time soon.

Who would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:21 pm Also feel pretty good about everybody on JJJ before me, although speed gets the least bump up because self-preservation. Still he's not atop my suspect list any longer.

You know what I'm doing with JJJ's ISOs? Totally ignoring them. Way too WIFOMy for me to get any real info.

Fair enough. At 1 AM last night, that's what my vote was for. Though I was glad that it was Jay instead of Wilgy.

Cbob and DDL are probably bigger townreads for me than most of the playerbase. And now I feel justified in not going back and making a case on Cbob. All is right with the world.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:09 am I'm still not voting for malakim any time soon.

Who would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.

That's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.

And things didn't go his way. Votes ended up on Malakim, on me, on Wilgy. Votes ended up back on JJJ. I think it's likely that one of those was scum, and that the momentum went that way before JJJ could stop it. That, combined with the previous day (and my knowledge about my own role) points to malakim.

But you still didn't answer my question.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:14 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:26 pm and with that drwilgy has become a 10 year old boy

Rude. Pokémon is awesome.

I'm playing through yellow right now, my first pokemon game ever.

Yellow's a really good one to start with since you get all three starters and a free Pikachu, who can be a pain to catch in R/B.

How far in are you? What's your team?

Not very far at all. 3 Gyms in.

I've got a Primeape, a Pikachu, a Charmeleon, a Paras, a Spearow, and a Diglett/Butterfree.
Last three slots still kinda vary at times. Level varies between 19 and 28.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:33 pm Imo knowing Speed's alignment would break this game open but I'm not lynching him just for that.

It really wouldn't.

Catching up again.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:25 pm Are you dying of the flu? I don't care. Are you behind on 20 reports? Couldn't give a damn.

so mean

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:00 pm can anyone say something for or against a speedchuck/Jack pairing.

It's late and I'm lazy at 2am.

I ship it

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:08 pm speedchuck next. Maybe not tonight

I am immune to night lynches anyway.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:15 pm speedchuck, since I've only seen you as mafia, could you link me to an active townie game you played?

Pokemon Mafia

I was only active until I died on Night 2, but I think this is the best representation, it being the only other game I've played with no claims and short days.

Here is another town game of mine

It's been a while because of all these LMS and scum games.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:26 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:15 pm speedchuck, since I've only seen you as mafia, could you link me to an active townie game you played?

Pokemon Mafia

I was only active until I died on Night 2, but I think this is the best representation, it being the only other game I've played with no claims and short days.

Here is another town game of mine

It's been a while because of all these LMS and scum games.

How many games have you played in total--only 2 town games in a year seems low :P

The site went down for part of this year, maybe 4 months? I don't remember everything, but I think I've been in 2 LMS games, 2 scum games, one third party game, and 2 town games this year. Not including Mountain.

Is there a record of this stuff somewhere? now what, I'm interested. Time to find my stuff.

Phenon - 3P
Gatsby - Town
Blue Velvet - Dog (town)
Search for Quin - Town
Pirate - Scum
Night Vale -0 Scum
SF2 - town
Pokemon - town
Elemental - LMS
Chicka Chicka 123 - LMS

five town games actually

I honestly remember nothing of most of my town games. GL dunya.

Also Dunya, when you find my best town game, let me know. I'd like to make a point about it. If you go that far.

Phenon - 3P(anti-town tho)
Gatsby - Town
Blue Velvet - Dog (town)
Search for Quin - Town
Pirate - Scum
Night Vale -0 Scum
SF2 - town
Pokemon - town
Elemental - LMS
Chicka Chicka 123 - LMS

In case anyone wants it. Full syndicate history. I have another site's worth of old history, but we'll ignore that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.

I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.

I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.

I'm pretty sure I and Sloonei don't agree with your other suspects.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:14 am I just went from 1 simple order this week to four orders (3 of them pretty elaborate) so I'm a little overwhelmed but thankful for such work so close to Christmas.

I just realized that you probably actually do make cakes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.

I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.

I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.

I'm pretty sure I and Sloonei don't agree with your other suspects.

Which proposed suspects do you agree with?

I'm in an interesting spot. Or I guess an uninformed spot. 3 Day weekend, been partying with family and overwatch, and have been mostly keeping up with the game on the phone just to know what's going on. So I have people I want to look at for the next lynch, but none that overlap really.

Nutella Cbob Jack Malakim Quin Kylemii

I strongly feel that two of our scum baddies are in here, and most of these exclude several of the others.

I do find your arguments against suspecting malakim and Jack's arguments against suspecting Cbob to be weak. Assuming motives and BTSC stuff that might not have happened. In case you haven't noticed, we are pretty prone (at least in this game) to switching lynches with or without provocation. I have no idea what percentage of JJJ's lynch was bussing and what wasn't.

Anyway, I've seen cases against the six above that have merit. My goal for Day 4 (hopefully that's tomorrow, I have a lot of time on Mondays) is to link them into groups, order them by suspicion, and test them against JJJ.

Dunya, Sig, and tinfoil LC, DDL, or Eloh might be in with some the six above, but I'll link those when I get to them. One small step at a time.

I know that's very broad, but we just had a scum flip and I've hardly been on since. Reevaluation is in order.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:27 pm I have to say, Jack doesn't make much pairing sense with other suspects I have. I have to gather my thoughts. When is night ending???

That's the big problem I have too. :P

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] With the top six. Primarily Kyle, Nutella, and Malakim. Then maybe Cbob.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:13 pm As for not being nightkilled, I'm not too surprised honestly. When someone is more or less confirmed/generally accepted town, mafia often leave them be for a while because they are likely to be protected or because they don't want to do what is expected and maybe go for another common town read (i.e. Spacedaisy) and, as Epi pointed out, probably someone with an ability they can and want to eliminate (i.e. Spacedaisy).

TMI

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:00 pm To be fair, I posted a picture of Edgar Winter only to show the silliness in stating there are only three eye colors. Albinos can have red eyes.

Does hazel just count as Brown/Blue/Green to some people?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:44 pm Man, next time I'm bad, I'm gonna push really hard to save random people and make vague weak cases against several people too. Wine for everyone!

I do this as both alignments.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:36 am

A NEW DAY

Jack of hearts has been nightkilled.
It is now Day 5. You have ~24 hours to lynch someone.

RIP scumbuddy.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:02 am Took a quick review of EoD3:

- Speedchuck looks off for jumping on Wilgy to save himself nstead of Jay. Could see a Jay/Speed team-up.

I ended up jumping back on Jay to save myself. So I think it cancels out.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:11 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:03 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Like here's an example. Epi was 109% right about Jimmy.

And his case was 110% bullshit. Good Day.

I can't explain why exactly. But the last time I saw someone make this kind of post, it was me. And I was lynched immetiately. And flipped bad.

There is something in it that feels like you are not really happy for the civ victory. You are arguing against it.

I'd argue against this but all I'd be doing is whinging, so I wont. Put short, I'm happy for lynching scum, but Epi's case was no good.

I thought it was pretty good...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:13 pm As for not being nightkilled, I'm not too surprised honestly. When someone is more or less confirmed/generally accepted town, mafia often leave them be for a while because they are likely to be protected or because they don't want to do what is expected and maybe go for another common town read (i.e. Spacedaisy) and, as Epi pointed out, probably someone with an ability they can and want to eliminate (i.e. Spacedaisy).

TMI

I mean, it might just be an assumption, but it caught my eye. On the other hand, never mind, none of the scum roles give scum that information.

Alright, caught up, sorry for post spam.

LC is an odd case right now. Still want to gutread him as good. I'm interested in thoughts about how he handled Eloh's read a few posts ago, as well as his readlist that (lol) put Jack as number 1 scumread right before the lynch.

His vote on JJJ, even as he said, looks like posturing but he hasn't taken advantage of it. I think that goes for a lot of current things LC is doing. They look like convenient town or scum tells, but then he keeps hanging lampshades on them. The level of self awareness is throwing me for a wine spiral.

"Actually, my vote on JJJ was worthless"
"I don't know why you're defending me Eloh"
"readlist with Jack as bad RIGHT BEFORE jack dies"

Feels weird. Super honest with a smashing of wine. I keep writing "gut says town" on this post but I'm not sure what my gut says beyond "Urgh I feel terrible."

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:11 am I have have been as crappy as possible this entire game, it seems.

I don't know, I might be giving you a run for your money.

GTH whenever anyone sees this:

Malakim
Kylemii
Cbob
LC

because my vote is probably going to one of these, and I'm thinking it's one of the first two.

I have a lot of time right now, but zero motivation to ISO this almost 4K post game.

Matterhorn, K2, and Elbrus are the most powerful town roles IMO.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:24 pm do you feel bad about placing a vote on malakim, speedchuck? why or why not?

Nah. He's been here what, 2 in-game days? That's long enough.

Oh, sorry, I didn't call it. Malakim.