The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:00 pm The case here isn't that he has done anything terrible, but more like he hasn't done anything great.

But this is what I usually look for.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:33 pm @speedchuck did you ID anyone?

I only cop every other night.

Thanks for the protection, though! I'll be able to cop tonight, especially if I get protected again

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:08 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:07 am

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:33 pm @speedchuck did you ID anyone?

I only cop every other night.

Thanks for the protection, though! I'll be able to cop tonight, especially if I get protected again

who has had their vote stolen?

Does it do any good to know that? Honest question.

Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.

why do you suspect me and gwilly?

I don't specifically. I only POE'd the above list.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.

i don't care but why am i below kenway?

I'd tell you, but you don't care.

Really though: It's no secret that I've had a strong townread on Kenway this whole game. If I was going to suspect one person in that chat of yours, it'd be you over him.
Though only barely. I appreciate your efforts, using the flip ability of yours to narrow the field by clearing Epi. Scum don't usually clear townies.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] Do you know what swapping a cop would do?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:35 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:23 pm @Kylemii Do you know what swapping a cop would do?

I don't. I haven't asked. I have two theories though.

1. cop receives incorrect result, opposite of what they should have received, reversing the ability of the cop

or

2. cop's target receives the cop result of the cop instead, reversing the direction of the cop

Thanks. Opens up a lot of possibilities.

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

I think it's ridiculous to wait until endgame to talk about him. Does anyone/everyone think he's still scum, and are just waiting for a magic nightkill? Sig isn't targeting him. Mafia won't target him. And if we all agree, even if it takes two days, lynching ID is better than lynches we aren't as sure about. Meanwhile scum will keep narrowing the field as only they can.

I want replies to this. Who still suspects ID, how much, and why are we waiting?

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine

I disagree with DDL on Iron_Dwarf. Just because he's been an alternate wagon every day doesn't mean he's town.

oh.

Okay, I'm good with this.

Question, though: What's with the poll?

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:15 pm this happened cos speedchuck stole a vote?

I suppose.

I solved the I_D problem for you guys.

You have two votes?

*goes to check*

Or I could have stolen from anyone else on that train, making it a tie.

Why is this suspicious?

cBob.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:11 pm Okay. So why cbob?

Why NOT cbob?

I'm not trying to be snarky, that's my answer to a lot of questions these days. cbob is not on my trusted list. So I grabbed his vote.

linki: I townread kenway. And the whole point of grabbing votes is to prevent voting as well as boosting mine. Why prevent the low-activity guy?

I was about to post and say that.

If you look at the polls post, JoH was anticipating us being surprised with the results. He made a snide comment about it. I think he got it right.

Shenanigans, then. I don't think misdirection is that likely. Why misdirect me of all people?

Actually, look at the poll. What if I_D did some kind of lightning rod thing? Drew votes to him, abilities, polls... IDK. Something screwy is going on with him.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:36 pm I was about to post and say that.

If you look at the polls post, JoH was anticipating us being surprised with the results. He made a snide comment about it. I think he got it right.

Shenanigans, then. I don't think misdirection is that likely. Why misdirect me of all people?

DDL and Nutella are the only ones with misdirects, and thatd have to be a pretty lucky misdirect what with random targetting

Also it looks like JoH included Kenway on the Sig vote? No idea.

linki: That was pretty cool.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:21 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:14 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:11 pm Okay. So why cbob?

Why NOT cbob?

I'm not trying to be snarky, that's my answer to a lot of questions these days. cbob is not on my trusted list. So I grabbed his vote.

linki: I townread kenway. And the whole point of grabbing votes is to prevent voting as well as boosting mine. Why prevent the low-activity guy?

Why do you town read kenway?

I haven't made any secret of it. I toneread kenway and RDW as town since I first appeared in this game. I think I commented on it earlier.

Don't really wanna scour back through Kenway's posts and substantiate it, though.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:30 pm anyone capable and willing to protect iron dwarf tonight? hmu

Why?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:26 pm I read it like this, if irondwarf does tonight, Speedchuck looks a lot worse

If he doesn’t iron_dwarf looks worse

Could you maybe explain this (self-fulfilling) prophecy?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:26 pm I read it like this, if irondwarf does tonight, Speedchuck looks a lot worse

If he doesn’t iron_dwarf looks worse

Could you maybe explain this (self-fulfilling) prophecy?

Naw, y'know what, I'll go ahead and debunk it.

Mafia ain't killing I_D tonight.

Why? If ID is mafia, they won't kill him.
If he is town (still haven't heard any arguments as to why he would be, but okay), then...
1. He's on the chopping block.
2. Doctors are more reliable and powerful than delayed jailkeepers
3. We have practically town-firmed people in this game to deal with

And even if I_D was somehow a reasonable target, you've just stated an argument that would sway scum to leave him alive and get us to do their job for them.

Not that any of this matters unless you can come up with a reason for I_D to be considered town.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:41 pm Nice I'm still alive. I didn't make the vote, if I had I'd have voted whoever had the most besides me, so pure self preservation.

Talk to me about how I can survive tomorrow.

Buddy up with me and help along a case on I_D or cbob or someone

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:17 pm A part of me thinks that makes ID look town, and a part of me thinks that would waaaaay overpower town if 2 townies got 4 lives between them.

Please elaborate on that first bit. How does this make I_D look town?

Well, Iron Dwarf didn't die.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:54 pm Kites.

Where did you send him?

So there are a ton of ways the kill could happen.

Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:17 pm colonialbob is a colossalbaddie, a jailkeeper is golden for scum teams

Explain how that points to alignment. We all have public roles, named before the game began, right?

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:05 pm @speedchuck

where’s the cop result man

Didn't work

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:07 pm so far it has only worked once? on lap

too tired to check

DDL = town
Marmot = town
Lap = town (not really but the result I got was flipped I guess)

Those are my first three chex

Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:11 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:06 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:05 pm @speedchuck

where’s the cop result man

Didn't work

Who did you use it on?

Sig

Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:08 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:07 pm so far it has only worked once? on lap

too tired to check

DDL = town
Marmot = town
Lap = town (not really but the result I got was flipped I guess)

Those are my first three chex

Wouldn't that mean Kylemii is scum?

No idea how you got this

Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:14 pm

Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:08 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:07 pm so far it has only worked once? on lap

too tired to check

DDL = town
Marmot = town
Lap = town (not really but the result I got was flipped I guess)

Those are my first three chex

Wouldn't that mean Kylemii is scum?

No idea how you got this

lapluie result flipped, either misdirect or reverse. I didn't and haven't targeted you at all in the game.

Okay, let me ask a quick question to the whole thread.

Do we think that scum have hidden abilities? Because if all they have is what they were given in their roles, this game is broke AF.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:37 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:45 pm Nutella is good.

I'd wager quite a bit there's at least 2 mafia in RDW, Sig, Kites, Kenway.

I've been saying for some time Kites or Kenway could be mafia and nobody has been inclined to listen. I also forgot to put in a night action so oops.

This seems to be a theme with you. I don't know how it affects alignment. Maybe you don't want to admit who you'd be targeting if you could. Anyone have any thoughts?

Oh whoa I thought dayend was tonight!

Catch me up on what's happening.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:16 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:15 pm Oh whoa I thought dayend was tonight!

Catch me up on what's happening.

vote with me pls

Why would I vote Kenway?

I'm going to need a significant reason to vote him over I_D, if not for reading purposes, then for the fact that I spent yesterday assailing Iron_Dwarf.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:22 pm I'm going to need a significant reason to vote him over I_D, if not for reading purposes, then for the fact that I spent yesterday assailing Iron_Dwarf.

Do you think Kites/Kyle/Kenway are all town? I know you said you had a strong townread of Kenway, I can't figure out why

I was tone-reading Kenway as town earlier in the game. I've been so focused on other games that I haven't kept up on recent developments.

I think Kites could be scum.
Kylemii and Kenway: Do you think them being scum is dependent on each other? Since they supposedly have BTSC? What is your stance on that?

How do you feel about Iron_Dwarf?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:26 pm @speedchuck do you think sig is town or mafia? How strongly?

Mafia. I'll put a percentage on it: 70%

Sure it's easy to read Sig as scum, but I see no barrier to doing so in this game, and he hasn't been accountable for his night actions. I don't buy that he hasn't submitted any. I think scum have a hybrid of their public and private roles or something, and Sig is contributing to the normal nightkill.

But that's all mechanical speculation. And other than that, I still struggle to read him as town.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:30 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:26 pm @speedchuck do you think sig is town or mafia? How strongly?

Mafia. I'll put a percentage on it: 70%

Sure it's easy to read Sig as scum, but I see no barrier to doing so in this game, and he hasn't been accountable for his night actions. I don't buy that he hasn't submitted any. I think scum have a hybrid of their public and private roles or something, and Sig is contributing to the normal nightkill.

But that's all mechanical speculation. And other than that, I still struggle to read him as town.

We haven't had many crit deaths though?

That's my point.

But maybe I don't understand the setup.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] Why do you avoid any talk about Dwarf?

If Sig really does have a critical kill thing no matter what his alignment is, then it's probably more likely he's town. Scum wouldn't let him forget to use it.

20 minutes

I'm going to spend like 5 minutes looking at Kenway's ISO

If I can find it

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:38 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:26 pm @colonialbob
take a look at the role list and you can see that no two roles have a power with a same name, the same goes for promoted roles. if even one person comes forward and says his/her promoted role has a power with the same name as the pre-promotion role did, I’m not cleared. But that ain’t happening

This is a really good point.

Explain it to me, because I have no idea what he means.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:40 pm We know from my role that Kites used the archer power "Soften 'em Up," and as far as we know, no promoted roles have the same power names as the unpromoted roles.

So because he promoted, he's town

because scum don't promote

yes?

Or there's a kidden mafia power called soften-em-up