The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:04 pm Also sorry for calling you a twerp nutella. That was mean and uncalled for.

Linki: Oh just that I am locktown.

Are you jlaw giffing the apology or the obvious fact?

Obvious fact.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:07 pm Scumchuck how can you rationalise you being town given Bullzeye is, quite clearly, Mafia?

Would you have us believe, Scumchuck, that in swapping you in our esteemed host also flipped your alignment?

Scumchuck, sir, would this be a first in the history of Mafia?

Scumchuck I put it to you that Bullzeye was scum. You upon taking his slot have assumed his scum role and ergo you are also scum.

Can't argue with that.

*ahem*

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:17 pm So anyway speed buddied me for a lot of D3. Spent the first half of the day trying to figure out your alignment, which is documented in the thread. Determined that you were likely town.

Toyed with joining me in suspecting Jay, then backed off just as he'd previously backed off of suspecting me. Funny how you criticize me for taking your suspicion, showing interest, following up on it, and coming to a conclusion.

And his dancing around at EOD/the way he decided to move to LC right at the end was suspect. Amazing. I don't actually know what was suspect about this. And you did the same dance I did, only without moving off of glorf after JJJ 'cleared' him.

And he's inconsistent on Colin, having gone after him during lynchandrezmegate but now saying that was null. Criticizing someone for being stupid illogical is not the same thing as calling them scum.

Also he took a while to really start participating after the replacement, which I can't help but think could be due to orienting himself to a new team/alignment. Luna and I were out of town that whole first day, which I again documented. I went south to visit family and preach.

Also Bullzeye was clearly bad and I have no reason to think otherwise now that we know he didn't kill Nova. You were the only one who ever thought that.

So basically case closed speed is bad and also so is colin. Yeah okay you've accused me with quantity and not quality.

Nutella is in the tunnel right now. Mac is just Mac, for better or worse.

If anyone wants to level a case against me, I will engage them. Quite frankly, I'm just happy to be in the game again. I have copious amounts of sarcasm for everyone, and I do not care what comes of it.

Bye bye I'm gonna go vote

Kill a mafia for me vig person

linki: okay thanks

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:46 pm Hey so why did the Mafia not kill Timmer?

Real question is: Why did Timmer not kill Long Con?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
Who did he target?

I have no idea.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus
Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did
well i know what you did and you know what i did so i reckon nah

Patronus affects like 3 people

Who did you target? And I'll give you my details.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions

WHO DID YOU TARGET

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions
WHO DID YOU TARGET
timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me

YOU LIE

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions
WHO DID YOU TARGET
timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me
YOU LIE
no bitch

IDK something's screwy but I will stop hounding you.

Pretty sure Quin is town.

I'm waiting until EOD to vote for INH tho.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions
WHO DID YOU TARGET
timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me
YOU LIE
no bitch
IDK something's screwy but I will stop hounding you.
what'd you do last night bud

Watched Long Con.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm this only raises more questions

Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm this only raises more questions
Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.
what's screwy about my night action?

You somehow visited LC.

You weren't the only one.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:57 pm >Mafia kills timmer
>I target timmer with a Patronus
>timmer uses Diricrawl on Long Con
>Both myself and mafia target Long Con (Patronus doesn't protect against avada kedavra)
>Long Con dies

Okay.

Then what happened to Epi?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:59 pmArea=sees

It's a creature thing

I want Timmer's take on this.

Gonna figure out a bit more about what happened before possibly foolishly outing the town vig lol

[mention]timmer[/mention] Need to know if you used a Digicrawl last night

Quiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinsly is a LIIIIIAAAAAAAAAARRRRR

LIIIIIAAAARRRRRR

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:40 pm

LIIIIIAAAARRRRRR

[Expecto Patronum]: This spell will make the user and another two students immune to Dark Arts, except [Avada Kedavra], for a night.

When used by a guilty student, it will create a distraction around themselves and another student, protecting them from all negative abilities.
Yes, I will take that confirmed town status, speedchuck.

If I think you lied about who you targeted, why would I think you truthful about what ability you used? (and yes, I already checked that)
I don't see abilities.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:40 pm

LIIIIIAAAARRRRRR

[Expecto Patronum]: This spell will make the user and another two students immune to Dark Arts, except [Avada Kedavra], for a night.

When used by a guilty student, it will create a distraction around themselves and another student, protecting them from all negative abilities.
Yes, I will take that confirmed town status, speedchuck.
If I think you lied about who you targeted, why would I think you truthful about what ability you used? (and yes, I already checked that)
I don't see abilities.
That's up to your discretion, I suppose. But mechanically, I cannot be a scum who used the Patronus on LC last night.

That is 100% true.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:51 pm do you legitimately think i'm lying or are you just giving me shit because i can't tell

I legitimately KNOW your story doesn't add up with the facts. I don't know whether you're lying or if there's something else in the mix.

And I don't know WHY you would be lying. That's the hard part. If you were faking an ability, Patronus is a bad one to fake. Easily countered. So you seem genuine. But your story doesn't match the facts. I need to figure it out because I either just townfirmed two people with my watch or caught a scum somehow.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm ....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin

N3?

Also you are incorrect.

- This is not a bastard game, so I will not lie to you. However, it is possible for abilities that obtain information to be fooled.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:22 pm Some sort of redirection doesn’t seem like it should be out of the question.
I did consider that but his behavior/post so far don't convince me to read him as town.

N3? Gee I wonder

What do you mean "Gee I wonder"

If I die all vigs better target INH to make use of the wasted day phase

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:23 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Lynch him. The mafia rezzed INH and could have shenanigans planned, even if unlikely. They weren’t ready to lose speedchuck today.
What’s the evidence against speed?

Pout says she has a cop check on me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:28 pm speeds goofy EOD3

Would either you or Nutella explain what was wrong with my EOD3?

Pout is still good BTW. No way she fakes a cop on me.

I'll just solve the game right quick on Day 4 so I don't have to worry about anything afterward no problem at all.

What happened N3 Pout?

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:36 pm How did I not know poutanko had outed as a cop and pointed fingers at people?

It just happened, and she didn't say much except Bullz is bad, Colin is good, not a read.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm Pout is still good BTW. No way she fakes a cop on me.

I'll just solve the game right quick on Day 4 so I don't have to worry about anything afterward no problem at all.
Why is she good?

Because faking a cop would be outlandish and super risky.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:46 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm Pout is still good BTW. No way she fakes a cop on me.

I'll just solve the game right quick on Day 4 so I don't have to worry about anything afterward no problem at all.
Why is she good?
Because faking a cop would be outlandish and super risky.
Are you saying you're bad?

I'm saying she is in co rekt

Revealing everything might or might not be helpful TBH

I still haven't said who else visited LC.

Should I reveal who else targeted Long Con?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:45 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:44 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:43 pm Should I reveal who else targeted Long Con?
What is the pro-town rationale for disclosing it?
What's the downside?

Pro-Town: Could possibly either:

Townfirm Quin and ???
Prove Quin is lying and thus scum
Prove ??? went through Quin's patronum and thus is piercing or Avada Kedavra which I think confirms them as scum

Anti-town: Might reveal who the Vig is to the mafia

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:57 pm Only if you think there are two odd-night vigs.

Making assumptions ain't great.

But Yeah. Leaning toward revealing.

And if Quin is lying there is no need to involve my other now-townfirm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:44 pm So you say Quin and a mystery person visited Long Con last night.

Quin says they used a protective item on themselves, me, and one other, thus are assuming that their action got redirected somehow.

Is this correct?

Yes

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:35 pm And if Quin is lying there is no need to involve my other now-townfirm
Can you explain why this other person is a townfirm without revealing their identity?

Somebody killed Long Con. If you are lying, then they did it. If you aren't lying, something fish happened.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:04 am Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

That would be neat.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:23 am Hallows wouldn't thematically explain it, and there aren't any civilian secrets. That leaves three explanations afaik.

1. I'm a dirty rotten liar and deep down I know I deserve to be punished.
2. speedchuck is a dirty rotten liar and deep down he knows he deserves to be punished.
3. There's a redirection hidden behind the secrets of the mafia team.

I'm leaning #2.

If number 3 is true, then it's probable that scum killed scum (Because of your power, it couldn't be a civ vig, so that leaves room only for redirect screwery) and that would nail us a confirmed baddie.

So yeah, I might be holding onto a confirmed baddie. I want to figure that out before day end.

If we hash this out while I'm alive, then after I die, people will trust me in retrospect and have a scumfirm. Yeah?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:13 am It could be a civ vig. I only protected against Dark Arts.

Oh? Not just negative abilities?

...

Okay.

I'm curious as to how you were misdirected without dark arts involved, but I'll leave the other person as a townfirm for now.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:19 am speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.
+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:46 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:05 am Hey yall remember that time LC saved Owner and then defended her a bunch and also said Sloonei townslipped lol good times amirite.
We can only lynch one person at a time DH, but believe you me, I got bad desires.

The main reason I was townreading Owner was her lack of self-preservation.

Long Con saved her. Good feeling gone.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:19 am speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.
Agreed. Dumbish comparison but it reminds me of One Hour Werewolf where Speed knew he’d been found out and started maneuvering around it.

Oh I didn't think of that game. That's pretty fair actually. My poker face is pretty fantastic.

As town or scum.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:15 am I totally agree with Jay's statement about speed's reaction to a red check. I think most people would be reacting with more emotion.

Cop checks I get. Can't be helped, fate is sealed, no reason to get all hot. But this line of reasoning is stupid.

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