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by speedchuck
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:51 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

Sloonei wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:13 pm EBWOP i screwed up pls delete previous post

At the beginning of this page
Sloon wast a unnerving readeth
Now that gent is a beacon of town light
And the glory of a civilian readeth
"A unnerving"? :suspish:
Tell me which players I've moved aheadeth of.
Who didst I passeth and who didst I not passeth
That is the question of sloonei
The response, answer, and summation of the matter
Is "all of them" mine sir

Though I'd putteth DDL not far below
Yeah, verily verily Heigh-ho
I wilt not poem a readeth list
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:57 pm It's very straight forward, usually he is cryptic and frequently unhelpful until he is under some sort of pressure because he's about to die.
Alas, Wilgy is not rico
your meaning escapes me wherefore thee bethink that
Wilgy can playeth normal
I've seen t ere methinks
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:55 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

if 't be true sloon is not genuine, he hath fooled me
I readeth that gent as town, as town as can beest
DDL followeth, and I doth not vote Eloh
coequal though mine readeth doth not align with that lady oh

peradventure I wilt writeth a full readeth list tomorrow
but these art whither mine vote wilt not wend

I could vote for sprit, and am doing so
or a base poster that hath to wend
reading is hard at which hour all of the 'civs'
disagree with mine desire for sloonei to liveth

linki: jagged jimmy jay is new to the game
I would feel bad but would lynch him just the same
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:56 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

FREAKING COPYING THE WRONG THING AND PIECING TOGETHER POSTS MODS MERGE THIS CRAP

EBWOP


linki: jagged jimmy jay is new to the game
I would feeleth lacking valor but would lynch that gent just the same
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:29 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Sloonei wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:41 am Who is Lasagna?
Mesk
Can we call her mesk and make things easier?
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:37 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

So I wasn't here for dayend, and I moved from Sprityo to Jack to try and save sloonei from a BS lynch. Kinda wish I hadn't now.

And Jack wasn't an infinitely better option.

Cbob is easy for me to see as scum, and I'm glad someone brought it up. I didn't feel like posting much during the day. It all started when Cbob saw my firey post against LC and jumped on the bandwagon against him. But for those that remember, my post train wasn't condemning of LC's alignment, only his reasoning. Cbob wasn't looking for a read, he was looking for an excuse.

In general, it feels like Cbob is trying to hide his lack of scumhunting behind aggression and agreement, depending on the tide of the game. Most of the end of D2 had Cbob waving his vote in sloon's face without substantiating it or arguing it.

"But he seems so confident!"
Yeah, that's what I do as scum. I'd vote there.

Sprit is still somewhat below null for me. The freak-out/leave-thread post didn't really affect that.

Sloon is top town read (and was before the lynch, thanks). DDL is prob good. I waffle on Jack.

Regarding Sig's spec: I usually don't worry about 3rd parties until a kill shows up. Or at least some kind of marks.
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:19 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

colonialbob wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:37 pm Cbob is easy for me to see as scum, and I'm glad someone brought it up. I didn't feel like posting much during the day. It all started when Cbob saw my firey post against LC and jumped on the bandwagon against him. But for those that remember, my post train wasn't condemning of LC's alignment, only his reasoning. Cbob wasn't looking for a read, he was looking for an excuse.

In general, it feels like Cbob is trying to hide his lack of scumhunting behind aggression and agreement, depending on the tide of the game. Most of the end of D2 had Cbob waving his vote in sloon's face without substantiating it or arguing it.

"But he seems so confident!"
Yeah, that's what I do as scum. I'd vote there.
I find this post funny because you're basically regurgitating Sloonei's argument against me (including using his exact (underlined) words!) while accusing me of hiding behind agreement.
IKR? It's like irony.

The non-underlined part of the post is my take though. There's more to what I'm saying. I'm just agreeing with sloon at the same time.
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:20 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Hm. I could have sworn Sprit had like 2-3 times as many posts.
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] I happen to disagree with most every D2 read you've posted, so I'm [retty sure I'd read you scum if I ISO'd you. The lack of defense you're getting in this is kinda disturbing.

I mean, sloon had a good argument, but everyone's just like 'sure' so far and we townies haven't been uniform on anything all game.

Does anyone think Cbob is town? Why?
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Spacedaisy seems way more town than normal.

Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???

I have no sig opinion yet
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:09 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Quin wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???
wat
Idk what that means for your alignment.
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:34 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

:haha:
Quin wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:09 pm
Quin wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???
wat
Idk what that means for your alignment.
I was just a bit shocked to see that comparison tbh.
:haha: I don't know what to do with it
by speedchuck
Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:47 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Sloonei wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:16 pm Sloonei is town
:ponder: How did you arrive at that
by speedchuck
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:51 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:28 am
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 pm @colonialbob I happen to disagree with most every D2 read you've posted, so I'm [retty sure I'd read you scum if I ISO'd you. The lack of defense you're getting in this is kinda disturbing.

I mean, sloon had a good argument, but everyone's just like 'sure' so far and we townies haven't been uniform on anything all game.

Does anyone think Cbob is town? Why?
I wouldn't label bob a town read. Question for you: what do you mean to imply with the highlighted comment?
As I said afterward, the entire playerbase has been divided on most every read or comment offered in the thread. Cbob hasn't been defended by anybody after sloonei's case. Three options:
1. Cbob is mafia and nobody want to be caught defending him after such a 'strong' (assumption) case, and they're waiting to see how it plays out.
2. Scum sees a decent case on a townie and sit by to watch as other townies pile on. Case is just that good, even if bogus. Cbob done goofed.
3. Speedchuck is paranoid whenever theories or cases don't get any pushback at all, and are uniformly agreed upon without much discussion, but it still doesn't mean anything.

Option 3 is likely, but I'm trying to gauge results from this angle. Thus I want everyone to weigh in instead of being silent on it.
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Spacedaisy seems way more town than normal.

Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???

I have no sig opinion yet
What is the purpose of this post?
Quick reads? People were talking about Sig and Quin at the time, I think. SD is someone I hadn't read at this point in the game, so I put that out there. Like any post, it was made to generate content and responses.
You didn't really give me anything with yours though.
by speedchuck
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:08 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm Eh, can't find it. I know I've seen that argument before, possibly from Epi. If it was in night vale, then :shrug:

Epi's response to LC's pressure is a lot more damning than the initial stupid argument.
In Nightvale, Epi pretended to not understand/not be interested in a case against LC, who was his scumbuddy. You've seen this before but yeah, with scum Epi.

I agree the defense is more damning than the accusation but the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.
@speedchuck

I don't think you ever responded to this.
I must have missed it. I'll consider epi suspishipn on those grounds.

I'm not caught up yet, but according to my mentions LC is taking a bunch of my posts out of context?
And poking at my strong and obvious opinion posts.
Those were a part of a spontaneous catch up read, and the second is just how I play, man
by speedchuck
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:13 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

lol I apparently only had half a page to catch up. On my phone now, will more response later
by speedchuck
Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:20 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

Long Con wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:12 pm Why did you avoid Night Vale when you were looking for Epi evidence, speed?
Because he was scum there. I was looking for TOWN epi doing it.

When I said I missed Jack's thing, I meant I missed his post. XD
by speedchuck
Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:32 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:16 am Still kinda feeling the Jack/speedchuck w/w vibe.
It's just residual from pirate mafia. It'll pass.
by speedchuck
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:17 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:14 am
speedchuck wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:43 pm I'm starting a new job tomorrow. No idea what my web status will be like.

But if I was to vote now, I'd vote for Sloonei
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:21 pm Voting LC for page 4 stuff that I said I was gonna vote Sloonei for.
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:26 pm Wait wtf why is sloon voting on LC?

*keeps reading*
The fuck is all this?
Is this a serious question?

Like, even out of context, those posts explain each other.
by speedchuck
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:37 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:19 am
speedchuck wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:14 am
speedchuck wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:43 pm I'm starting a new job tomorrow. No idea what my web status will be like.

But if I was to vote now, I'd vote for Sloonei
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:21 pm Voting LC for page 4 stuff that I said I was gonna vote Sloonei for.
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:26 pm Wait wtf why is sloon voting on LC?

*keeps reading*
The fuck is all this?
Is this a serious question?

Like, even out of context, those posts explain each other.
Semiseriously.

I don't understand the purpose of these posts.
I scumread two people for arguments they share (this is during my readthrough, before the train got ridiculous and I reversed on LC for the reasons I have stated.)
What I saw was sloonei making a case on Epi, LC followed it, and I noticed in the poll (I had not caught up yet at the time) that Sloonei was voting for LC despite the fact that LC's thing was following sloonei at the time.

Purpose? I just freely spam the thread with thoughts. Not every post I make has to have a purpose. I am reacting.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:24 am This ISO makes my head hurt. Speed's actual posts so far make sense and look good but there are so many unexplained reads sprinkled in.

Scumread on Sloonei. Why? Scumread on LC. Why? Townread on Quin. Why? Townread on Jack. Why? Scumread on Nutella. Why?
Sloonei: The early epi case.
LC? The early epi case.
I reversed on both of them at different times for different reasons, which I noted, if not explained.

Quin and Jack were the two I said I wouldn't vote, right? That was a sarcastic jab at Epi saying he wouldn't vote for Mesk or. . . whoever else on D1. Look at the context. That was clearly a sarcastic jibe.

Nutella scumread came from the way she handled the Epi case. Gut read. Don't wanna distract into it, it looks dumb now with further data.

Generally I throw out reads like candy when I get the chance depending on where my gut is. Did the same with spacedaisy earlier and you commented on it. I want people to know whewre my headspace is, and I'd prefer that they ask for explanations or interact with those reads when I actually am giving them rather than 3 irl days later. :stare:
by speedchuck
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:52 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:46 am I really am Town you guys.
I want to believe.
by speedchuck
Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:56 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Elohcin wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Spacedaisy seems way more town than normal.

Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???

I have no sig opinion yet
Hey Chuck. I agree with you about daisy and sig. But, what is your intent for for your thoughts on quin here? CC123 is not (at least wasn't when I was in it) a baddie vs. civ game. So how can we find quin's performance from there and here and get anywhere with it?

Okay, as I read further there is a wtf mentality from others cobcerning this statement as well. I still would like an explanation.
I noticed it.
It amused me.
I said it.

As for your notes on my gameplay, I'd say this is typical early game fare for me. You are correct that I'm not tryharding.
by speedchuck
Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:27 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

I'm entering a 72-hour-game-making contest, so, uh, peace out until night 2 ends. Tag me on any questions you want answered tomorrow.
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:48 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:21 am
speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Spacedaisy seems way more town than normal.

Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???

I have no sig opinion yet
I'm interested in the observation about Spacedaisy -- when you say she seems way more town than normal, are you implying solely that she is a town read, or that you have concerns about her adherence to her meta?
I have never been able to read Spacedaisy, not in any game I've played with her. IDK why. She just always seems neutral to me.
In this game, I have a townread on her. I consider that to be a good thing.

Metawise, I can tinfoil, sure, all of that. It's possible that SD is scum, and that's why she's different than normal in my eyes. But I doubt it, as I think I've played with scumdaisy before.

In short, mostly the first, tinfoiling the second. I would not lynch Spacedaisy on d3 (should it ever arrive).
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:58 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:15 am LC raised a point in his ISO of/case against speedchuck that caught my attention, and I'd like to expand upon it:
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
This post is problematic. It came on Day 1 when the Epi/LC feud was still the most significant dialogue in the thread. I've used colors to separate the important components. Green is meant to be portrayed as a sort of preliminary disclaimer which is qualified (and reversed) by what follows, but its utility in this post is sufficient to cancel out what follows. Consider the climate of the thread at the time -- Long Con and Epignosis are both fielding suspicion from varying sources, with the former taking the majority of it as the day approached its conclusion. speedchuck's post is supportive of Long Con, but with that disclaimer attached its capacity to change the minds of LC voters is minimized. This is evidenced in the responses that followed from Quin and colonialbob at least. The latter even liked speedchuck in that moment and still voted in opposition to the orange-colored text above.

It should be stated that speedchuck qualified himself in more certain terms sans-disclaimer the next day:

Spoiler: show
speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.

I'd have liked this more had it come before the near-lynch of LC was finalized instead of in the following phase. I'll also add that this proposed problem may be reliant upon LC being a civilian, as the dynamic changes in a mafia-mafia scenario.
Excuse me? I clarified myself much, much earlier. If you really ISO'd me, you'd know that I have at least four five posts after your quoted post (and before EOD) that clarified LC as a townread. Not to mention that, in my opinion, the first post I made there clarifies LC as a townread. The purpose of the 'disclaimer' is to explain why I was voting for him before that post.

This is blatant misrepresentation. Some day 1 posts for you:
Spoiler: show
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:52 pm I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it.
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today
Might be less than random now, IDGAF

Lynch Epi or Nutella of the current options I guess. Jack I want to keep around (this is not the first game I've said this in [Might have been scum in the other game, don't remember]).

I really don't think LC is like this as scum.
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:02 pm
Quin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm
Quin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?
As scum? :ponder: I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."
what about the other way around? if epi was bad.
If LC is town and Epi bad?

It's possible. LC would have basically cornered Epi out of luck, but it's more likely than LC being scum I think
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm
Quin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?
As scum? :ponder: I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:03 pm
Kylemii wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:01 pm I'm happy we're no longer focusing on one candidate anymore but I don't understand why LC has 3 votes.
:keys: I don't get it either
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:30 pm
Kylemii wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:29 pm I don't understand how today's discussion came to a point where our 2 lynch options are LC and Nutella, I haven't seen a case made against LC
Yeah, even Epi would be a better vote than LC. :shrug2:
I have no idea whether misrepresentation is scummy behavior from you, but I don't usually see it.
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:20 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:17 pm Take a stance.
Give me a mafia game with you in it. Otherwise I can't metaread, and 'misrepresentation' or whatever it is you're doing isn't inherently scummy.
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:36 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

I think my use of misrepresentation was inspired by Epi.

I spent ten minutes or so tone-reading your mafia game and looking for nebulous similarities. Pleh. I'm not clearing you, but I'd probably give you a light town read.

Also wow I played a really different game in Currents.
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:44 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

GTH readlist

speedchuck
nutella
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy

Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay

Mesk514
DrWilgy
Quin
Elohcin

Epignosis
insertnamehere

sig
Dom
Kylemii
Jackofhearts2005

sprityo
colonialbob


Yellow is in there, but I wouldn't say it's null. Consider yellow to be slightly south of null.
These are GTH, so if you questioned me on them, I'd say 'two-day-old gutread.' But it's a place to start.

linki: One of these days, the vultures that surrounded Epi on early day one will be outed. But today is apparently not that day.
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:42 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:28 pm His vultures bit is clear bs. Reads like an excuse to not vote Epi or to make LC look bad. Refuses to back up his reads. Calls scumhunting techniques crap. Refuses to ISO. Leaning on being a tunneler and overly vague statements as an excuse not to look for baddies or talk about his reads.

DDL is a competent mafia player. Doesn't always mind meld with other townies, sure. Had a bad game as town recently, sure. This doesn't look like town DDL to me.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:30 pm
Elohcin wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:21 pm So because LC voted for nutella who I also mentioned is a possible baddie, I cannot suspect LC anymore? Heck, jack. You are all possible baddies imo. You are now on my list of suspects. You're not making any sense.
You can suspect LC all day but LC can't circle his own fight with Epi and one player does not a flock of vultures make.

"No you" is not a valid defense.
I suck at scumhunting, especially without any in-game deaths.

But I don't feel like these exchanges are town/town, like I did originally with Epi/LC. Either Jack is onto something with DDL/Eloh/Epi/(LC?) or he's scum. Take that for what you will. (inb4 my indecision pisses people off)

I still gutread DDL as town tho.
by speedchuck
Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]

Kylemii wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:43 pm
Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:35 pm
Game Summary
Nothing has actually happened yet.
This is my favorite post in the entire game.
IKR? I reallly want someone to dddiiiieee
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
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Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Marmot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:41 pm How are you all doing?
All too alive.

Glad to have you back!
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:51 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:55 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Mountain Mafia [END]
Replies: 6258
Views: 178463

Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Oh hey, that's a pretty nice thread recap.

8 days of no death though. Soon to be 10.

Alright, let's start day 1-3.

Horrible theory: Every little mountain is inactive and nobody is getting the kill in. (I think night has lasted long enough for everyone to get in here but rly)
Better theory: We're right about one of our main townreads and the protective roles went after them. My money is on Sloonei. Now to go look at the actual role list for more.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:00 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

EBWOP: What protective roles, amirite?

We got the mountain that survives one kill, the mountain that can copy that survival, and the mountain that just screws off a few nights. And town/3p secrets.

That's it, right?
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:09 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Marmot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 pm Effective immediately, dunya has replaced sprityo.
And now I have a sudden scumread on dunya. :haha:
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:21 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

dunya wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:19 pm is K2 just a random player like us with intuitions and suspicions that can be right or wrong, or does K2 have mod-verified knowledge?
The former.

I recommend a quick scan of the role list on page 1.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:42 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:41 pm
dunya wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:39 pm so PoE is Process of Elimination. Why would they want to lynch Dom as PoE? Because of inactivity?

what does w/w mean?

you guys sure use a lot of abbreviations, lazy arses.
"Wolf/wolf". Meaning both players in the pairing are bad.
If I say sloonei and Dunya are not w/w, it means I don't think that they make sense as scum teammates.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Dunya's situation reads are like mine, but less lazy.

So far I agree with all of them.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:53 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

dunya wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:47 pm
dunya wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.
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If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Already done, but you want more words?
In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.
If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!
Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?
can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?
I think re-reading Jack's post, I see he is defending Epi not giving a point to LC. Confusing.
I still take issue with "mislynch" being used even in this context. Feels very revealing.
Wrong.

"Point LC." Giving LC points.

"Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei."
Epi's post said that LC was trying to get an "easy mislynch out of the way." Long Con is pointing out that Epi is not an easy mislynch, and Jack is giving LC points for that observation about Epi. Jack is agreeing with LC that the use of "easy day one (mis)lynch" is more of a scare tactic from Epi than a defense.

To put it short:
Epi - "LC is trying to get me lynched nice and easy on D1"
LC - "You aren't an easy target Epi. That wasn't a defense, just a warning."
Jack - "I agree! Point to LC, vote for Epi."

Not sure what the last two lines mean, but Jack is agreeing with LC here and voting for Epi.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:05 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

dunya wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:53 pm Wrong.

"Point LC." Giving LC points.

"Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei."
Epi's post said that LC was trying to get an "easy mislynch out of the way." Long Con is pointing out that Epi is not an easy mislynch, and Jack is giving LC points for that observation about Epi. Jack is agreeing with LC that the use of "easy day one (mis)lynch" is more of a scare tactic from Epi than a defense.

To put it short:
Epi - "LC is trying to get me lynched nice and easy on D1"
LC - "You aren't an easy target Epi. That wasn't a defense, just a warning."
Jack - "I agree! Point to LC, vote for Epi."

Not sure what the last two lines mean, but Jack is agreeing with LC here and voting for Epi.
So my first read was right, but in your summary you used "mislynch" when that word wasn't used initially. Epi did not call it a mislynch, even though he should have been the one yelling it would be a mislynch if he's defending his innocence. Long Con did not call it a mislynch, either, since he was adamant about Epi's scumminess. Why would Jack call it a mislynch? It seems very strange way of thinking when you're out to accuse someone. "You're not a fast and easy mislynch" -- what...?
I agree. It is odd. Sorry if I confused things in my summary. Mislynch was implied heavily in Epi's post, and everything spawned off of that.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:35 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Epignosis wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:52 pm Gun to head reads.

How cute.
:llama:
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:40 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:01 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:40 pm Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me
So like, one person townreads you. How does that make you feel?
:rolleyes:

Like I clearly need to play more games, firmly establish my meta.
Or maybe it's their fault. Thus the judging.
by speedchuck
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:11 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:40 pm Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me
So like, one person townreads you. How does that make you feel?
:rolleyes:

Like I clearly need to play more games, firmly establish my meta.
Or maybe it's their fault. Thus the judging.
Felt like I had a fucking lock on you in Phenom. Same for DDL in my first game with him.

Now you gut feel like Bob, who I can't read for shit and I feel like I don't know DDL at all.

Still think you're both bad but idk what happened to either of ya'lls metas.
I'd say Phenon was a typical baddie game for me, even though I was 3P. Night vale too. Pirates I was a little distracted.

But hey, if you read me bad in Phenon, you're good on that. :beer:
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:00 am ~ I'm surprised by the even split on Colonel Bob. Through the long night phase he seemed to attract and hold negative press without receiving much support if any. This was one of the more conflicted reads for me, and I may not be alone in that given the lack of consensus.
It's like I said earlier. Half the game aparrently thinks he's town, but nobody is standing up strong to defend him.
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:10 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 am Tell me more aunt Speedchuck solving.
hullo dear jack
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:46 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Elohcin wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:40 am And now I have this song in my head. Thank you.
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:54 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

Long Con wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:48 am I'm more into Alt Rock kind of stuff so I didn't get the joke... but I did just do some research and found out Taylor Swift has a song called 'Blank Space'. So, I didn't laugh, but I did learn. That's good too.
I mean, it wasn't so much a joke. I like this version of the song. People were referencing the original, so I posted it.

Actual content is forthcoming soon, I promise guys.
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

SOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN

colonialbob - BAD
I'll be honest. I liked Sloonei's case. I never got good vibes from bob, and sloonei's case (right around the time I decided sloon was town) really cinched the read. Like with Kyle, I'd rather read through before the lynch.

Dom - BAD?
Who?
"Ya'll talk too much"
I agree, but dang. Also this isn't abnormal for a game on the syndicate that's had a week of 19 players. Dom has been on this site, and while he's displayed this sentiment before, I think he's at least put forward some reads off of the first few pages when not caught up, right? He could do something.
Not sure whether that's scum indicative, but lurkers bother me.

Dragon D. Luffy - GOOD
DDL does have some bad things going for him. He's not entirely consistent, and is playing fast and loose. But hey, same here. Most importantly, his tone is very genuine in most all of his posts. That's all I have without further rereading, and I'm not ISOing until someone bloody dies in this game.

DrWilgy - GOOD

dunya - GOOD
Dunya came into the thread with fire. I think a strong part of my scum spritread from earlier was his inactivity and passivity. Dunya has shown none of that. Should Sprit's read carry over? Maybe.
But let's look at some good points.
1. I've seen general indication that Dunya is treating everyone equally. I haven't seen him buddy toward anyone, no idea who he could be aligned to.
2. As of post 2021, and the page around it, Dunya seems to not know how many mafia there are. I don't think Dunya is the type to fake that for town points. Dunya is an effort maker. I think this is genuine, and matches with him not knowing about K2's role. Dunya skimmed the rolelist, and I think he genuinely doesn't know there are four scum.
3. Dunya really pushed the game into talking again. If he were scum, there are ways he could come in the thread and participate without pushing things forward. GTH reads for example. :P
4. Townie gut vibes. Sorry if you don't feel them.

Elohcin - GOOD

Epignosis - BAD?
Epi's defense against LC was shaky at times, but otherwise I haven't had much reason to suspect Epi. However, I also expect Epi to be a more driving force in games. (this applies to both scum and mafia epi.)
Tinfoil LC Epi alignment (ugh, pls no)
Maybe LC got lucky with his first accusation, even if it was totes bogus?
The reason that this read is still questionable is that all of my reasons for it to be bad don't mesh. I could see Epi as bad. But I don't think it's overwhelmingly likely. In fact, I had his read at "Good?" until I thought about Night Vale. Meta-wise, I could suspect Epi, and I don't want LC's false suspicion to keep me from giving this a fair shake. This read is slightly south of null.

insertnamehere - ???
No posts. :(

Jackofhearts2005 - EGH
Jack has been super present all game. I feel like he's weighed in on everything in the thread. Why is it that I have trouble figuring out where his head is at most of the time? Constantly shifting. Despite my experience in Pirates, I don't have a good metaread on scumjack. This being an extended D1, I feel like town would be having more trouble with reads than mafia (for obvious reasons). Mafia players might unnaturally narrow down their choices as time goes on (based on what they usually do), while town can't. Jack's ever-changing reads are either a sign of genuine town unsurety or mafia not wanting to commit so early. Depends on how much Jack thinks ahead.
I DO know Jack can really hit the thread hard with a high number of posts as scum.
I'm going to lean very, very light town, depite everything I may have said earlier. I'm tone reading and metareading and playstyle reading, like with most everyone else in this list. Please, convince me one way or another, since the entire fricking game seems to be scumreading Jack. I could go either way.

JaggedJimmyJay - EGH
JJJ is never scum.
No, but really, I don't know what he'd be like as scum. If he's leading, and leading well, mafia will probably kill him and take care of things for us. If they start killing other leaders and JJJ takes control of the game, wipe him.
Also, the GTH reads. First time I saw them was MP07 doing them as scum. Maybe that poisoned me. But they look like an easy way to assert yourself as a leader, spam the thread with crap, make some generalizations, and then . . . nothing? But according to the lists, they're regularly done, so whatever.
Not willing to give out a townread here yet, though. Seems too easy.

Kylemii - BAD
Kyle being scum would depend on Mesk/Lasagne being good, I think. But when Kyle pops in and goes after Mesk, I can'thelp but feel that it's opportunistic. And maybe it's my lack of ISOs, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Kyle's style of play thus far. And then most of today's content has been a meta argument with Dunya that nobody else can follow, and it rubbed me the wrong way. I also had a light scumread on Kylemii last week. So yeah, Imma call it. Despite what I said in one of these other reads, I'll probably ISO someone before directly agreeing to a lynch, but Kyle is a contender.

Long Con - EGH
I know I said that scum LC wouldn't go after Epi like he did on D1. I know I said that. But what if he's pulling a long con? Hear me out here.
Even if Epi is town, whenever LC goes after Epi, Epi doesn't suspect him. Sometimes LC gets lynched by other people, sometimes not. This time the case was worse than normal, so everyone ended up brushing it off. LC got townie points for being misguided and gutsy, and we moved on. I would have been fine with that.
But then LC coasted.
Maybe it's just me not ISOing or missing some of LC's posts, but I don't feel like he's had much to add since D1. That bothers me. Town LC isn't a coaster. And scum LC, based on past experience, could totally run a town meta gambit on Epi, especially if the case is stupid enough that it will fall apart on its own.
I'm aware that this is tinfoil. But it genuinely bothers me, again, because of LC's actions since the argument, LC's approach to the argument (I don't recall him campaigning for Epi lynch as much as arguing with him), the way the argument cooled down, and the (purposefully?) shaky grounds for the suspicion. I don't like it.

Mesk514 - EGH
Conundrum here. Mesk gave me good vibes when in the thread based on tone. If she was actually high, especially so. Displays the spontanaets that I like to see from town.
But then mesk disappeared. And somebody pointed out that the posts weren't as original, interesting, decisive, or forward as they could have been. Leaving me in a case where I want to believe mesk is town, but I'm not so sure. I think mesk is anti-aligned with Kylemii, 70%.

nutella - GOOD
Dat D1 maybe mech clear. I'm getting used to non-Phenon town!nutella, and this feels like it. Uncertain, snarky, striving, not a super prevalent poster but not a lurker.

Quin - EGH
I usually read quin the opposite of what everyone else does, and end up being right. I townread him in Phenon. Here . . . I want to say he's town, but he's done nothing to reeeaaalllyy convince me yet. Maybe if I ISO'd him. Hold up.
D1 logic hurts my head, but I like the way he approached Epi and voted him, asking for others to explain. If scum, probably scum with LC for gambithard play.
Ah, I remember why I said Quin's read is consistent with his CC123 performance. He's spontaneous. It doesn't look, at least, like he's too worried about how he's being percieved.
Even when people say they suspect him, and he asks them why, I get the feeling he's trying to give them opportunity to slip and fall rather than defend himself. He's a content creator, though mostly creating other people's content. I'd give Quin a supah-light townread, but wouldn't be super surprised to find him scum. Nightkill/lynch result analysis should clear this one up (please let today's lynch work).

sig - GOOD?
Actually, upon looking at Sig's posts, I get "absent but trying." Even the few posts he's put in have names reads, some of which were original to him (I think). Putting in OG content, legit excuse of the holidays keeping him away. Not too bad.
[mention]sig[/mention] I wouldn't worry about trying to catch up. Everything will change as soon as a kill/lynch happens anyway. Get in here when you can and pick five random pages and gutread out of them, whatever you have time for.

Sloonei - SUPAHTOWN
Aside from the maybe mechanical clear, Sloon still convinced me from the start of D2 or N2 (forget which) that he was town with a slew of analysis posts that looked exactly like town sloon.

Spacedaisy - TOWN
Daisy seems more comfortable in her alignment than normal, more cool, more collected. Could point either way, but I wanted to point that out. Otherwise, I've seen nothing to complain about from Daisy. She's been a solid town player.
by speedchuck
Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:07 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

There's my head, if anyone wants to pick it.

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