The Syndicate

if you let me live i can put in the work later, most likely

i'm usually easily clearable if i want to be

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:31 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:30 pm if you let me live i can put in the work later, most likely

i'm usually easily clearable if i want to be
hey I said that in the last game I was mafia in before I got chopped.

the top wagons look like terrible wagons

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 pm the top wagons look like terrible wagons
why, and should be the wagon(s) instead?

feels like the yeets are mostly "yeets that nobody would care if they flipped town" imo due to the SYNDICATE HIERARCHY

and it's easily excusable because there are small stupid stuff that could make them wolf which are in fact bad reasons

marmot - hasn't done much

ted - has motly slanked this game and when he makes reads, he's lock mafia because he cares about his single read

tsp - has been a wildcard and his posts and arguments have been confusing

these are the top wagons with reasons from alison's big post

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:59 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:59 pm marmot - hasn't done much

ted - has motly slanked this game and when he makes reads, he's lock mafia because he cares about his single read

tsp - has been a wildcard and his posts and arguments have been confusing

these are the top wagons with reasons from alison's big post
who should be the wagon(s)

i haven't reached that part yet, but my ideas would probably be fairly against the consensus anyway

whattodo.jpg

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

you can't disagree that syndicate d1 chops are almost always slankers

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.
you can't disagree that syndicate d1 chops are almost always slankers
Syndicate D1 chops are usually mafia

ime not really

there are games where d1 chops are mafia too

i'm not gonna complain, but i just can't perform at the level you guys want me to

it's been provable that i get lock cleared as the game moves on but instead you deliberately choose to vote me out early anyway

not my problem imo, i literally can't solve and won't solve rn. if you really can't find any other better yeet than me then go ahead, i won't stress

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Based on all these points I don't think Syndicate D1s are lazy or clout based.

i've just quoted 3 of your reasons for wolves and 2 of them contain slanking

spf, why is marmot scum?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Based on all these points I don't think Syndicate D1s are lazy or clout based.
i've just quoted 3 of your reasons for wolves and 2 of them contain slanking
It isn't lazy to chop "slankers" when a wealth of rationale has been provided to support the choice by various different people.

It is lazy to decline to chop "slankers" merely because they are "slankers".

i've been asking for this wealth of rationale on at least one wagon for quite a bit and nobody is able to write anything that's concrete

for example : marmot

the only reply i got for marmot was from alison stating he had a weird interaction with kza

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:31 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm spf, why is marmot scum?
i struggle to believe that marmot believes the stuff that he has been saying. his reads lack a certain level of conviction that i would expect marmot to have if he was playing from a villager mindset.

marmot constantly floated tutuu as one of his number one suspects throughout the early-game (calling her an openwolf at one point), but when he was asked to go into more detail about his scumread on tutuu, he said this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:10 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:03 am @Marmot could you elaborate on those nanook and tutuu reads?
Tutuu's been an active presence in the thread, but changing her reads on a whim.
i find it difficult to believe that marmot carried this underlying suspicion about tutuu throughout the entirety of the game, and was only able to provide one short sentence explaining his scumread on her when he was prompted to. it concerns me even more that marmot voted for tutuu shortly after making this post. it gives me the impression that marmot does not particularly care about the accuracy of his read on tutuu and is pushing on her moreso for aesthetics sake

there were several moments where i felt that marmot outed reads/thoughts that felt ingenuine. i did not like his opinion about me and tutuu on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 34#p761634. i did not like the false bravado on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 75#p762175.

i am not confident about marmot being a wolf, but i find him wolfy

thanks, this is at the very least reasonable and it's not based on slank!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:34 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:27 pm for example : marmot
Rationale external to Marmot --> a pile of people have seemed town, removing them from candidacy

Rationale relating directly to Marmot --> degree of seriousness of his play parallels amount of suspicion presently heaped upon him; currently showing zero concern for the game state despite reading a bunch of POE'd players as town; griping with my generic cheerleader post as if it's remarkable; contributed to an environment of chaos with one of his goofy self-votes (i.e. eagerly participating in a state that I view as anti-town while not eagerly participating so much when the thread is healthier); beefing with SPF over adverbs as if Marmot is an adverb person

Probably not comprehensive

thanks x2 ; i believe the strongest reason is the showing zero concern with a PoE that's upside down from thread consensus

do you think wolf!marmot is likely to go for the "post the weakest reasons in order to go at people that are active and considered town"?

i know it seems like a loaded question, but realistically, that's what I feel like he's done

do you think it's a fake approach designed...to get town read on derpiness?

derpiness is probably not the word, you get what i mean though

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:40 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:37 pm thanks x2 ; i believe the strongest reason is the showing zero concern with a PoE that's upside down from thread consensus

do you think wolf!marmot is likely to go for the "post the weakest reasons in order to go at people that are active and considered town"?

i know it seems like a loaded question, but realistically, that's what I feel like he's done

do you think it's a fake approach designed...to get town read on derpiness?
I think even asking that question is already digging too deep into human nature to be reliable for anything, if I am honest with you. It's just too specific a context to warrant the WIFOM questions, and it presumes too much about what's happening in his brain.

SPF, for example, has been the subject of some degree of suspicion -- she isn't in a completely comfortable or untouchable position. So she makes for a generic target for someone looking for someone to gripe about, especially someone not on one's own mafia team. Marmot has known Epignosis, Lord of the Adverbs, for many years. SPF tends to write a lot of adverbs. Boom, there's poop to hurl.

It doesn't have to be mafia stuff, but I have no trouble seeing it that way.

maybe i'm reaching, that's fair

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:38 pm in radiohead oddmerta was aggressive and went against the grain but i could follow where he was coming from and it wasn’t difficult for me to see he was approaching the game genuinely

i cannot see that this game. he’s just spouting off stuff for seemingly no reason. just because he says it with confidence does not make it villagery. his reads look like weaksauce to me

i said the same thing, but nah

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:42 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:38 pm in radiohead oddmerta was aggressive and went against the grain but i could follow where he was coming from and it wasn’t difficult for me to see he was approaching the game genuinely

i cannot see that this game. he’s just spouting off stuff for seemingly no reason. just because he says it with confidence does not make it villagery. his reads look like weaksauce to me
i said the same thing, but nah
wdym nah?

i mean it got shut down by alison, mac, idk who else

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:45 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:44 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:42 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:38 pm in radiohead oddmerta was aggressive and went against the grain but i could follow where he was coming from and it wasn’t difficult for me to see he was approaching the game genuinely

i cannot see that this game. he’s just spouting off stuff for seemingly no reason. just because he says it with confidence does not make it villagery. his reads look like weaksauce to me
i said the same thing, but nah
wdym nah?
i mean it got shut down by alison, mac, idk who else
oh, okay

well i agree with you

the only arguably villagery thing in his iso is the fact that he asked if we needed him to claim

i think i'll be voting marmot over al

hally and oddmerta are never w/w after this EoD, me thinks

especially if there were villa wagons

[VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine

shrug

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:59 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine

shrug
Shrug?

Show some goddamn conviction

i have received verifiable words that he is a wolf 100%

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:59 pm vote ted

not today br0

well judging off of that post he's probably mafia

see, i get to live past d1 and i'm already lock cleared

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:26 pm see, i get to live past d1 and i'm already lock cleared
No you are lock mafia but ok

did you read my progression on him

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:29 pm Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt

looks good from this side of the aisle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:32 pm I retract my read on TSP. I don't think he's aligned to Marmot.

Ted is extremely obviously though.

yeah

AL_sama wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm @tedxtr can you tel me why haven't you been pushy??

i've barely read anything

and on syndicate i consider it a vacation, other people usually do the work and my engine warms up later

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm I need to finish an essay. Someone go look into all the people who tried to push Odd for being LHF.

how was he low hanging fruit if he was guarded by the entire thread

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:11 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm I need to finish an essay. Someone go look into all the people who tried to push Odd for being LHF.
how was he low hanging fruit if he was guarded by the entire thread
He was guarded by half the thread and the other half thought he was a lunatic scum.

He was the highest wagon at one point in time.

he sat at 3 votes the entire time

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:51 pm i think i'll be voting marmot over al
I could find absolutely zero direct references to Al_sama in Tedxtr's ISO

On the other hand, I could find several direct references to Marmot in Ted's ISO. Ted ISO'd Marmot and concluded that he was a villager (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 70#p762270), and he spent a large portion of d1 defending him.

In spite of that, Ted decided to vote for the person that he had previously made a towncase on over the person that he had no direct interactions with whatsoever

Why?
@tedxtr

please explain this when you get the chance

idk if it's intentional or not but you're already misrepresenting me by a huge ton

when EoD approached - i got actually good points instead of "he's slanking" that I even agreed with. I admitted one of my main reasons for him being town (which can be tracked - i put it in the tl;dr version) could've been a reach when I talked with JJJ. I didn't like how marmot appeared to be defeated at EoD and felt like the PoE argument (marmot having entirely different takes from the thread and yet still acting unconcerned) was tons better than anything going itt.

I did not vote al because I felt like he was closer to rand than marmot, simple as that. his interpretation of me wasn't really wrong either - i am a pretty big factor behind most pushes on our main site, but my meta on here is entirely different - and even though everyone voted for him at EoD, I've acknowledged the possibility of him being still pretty =rand as opposed to marmot. The stars could've aligned for him, but even though he popped in to vote for me - he had more reason to do so than to vote for Marmot.

idk how i could be possibly read as mafia with marmot - if I wanted to go down the route of falling flat on my nose after consciously deciding to protect a team mate for bad reasons, I would probably never back down

it's just not how I play as a wolf, but ymmv.

KZA - your start of the game was to act like a "mediator" / pacifier whatever, as in I felt like you were helping people "get the right reads" or having the good foundation for them / being aware of the facts idk

it wasn't anything too big - i asked fellow canucksians to give their reads on you just so I know if I should worry or not.

if people bothered to think when looking into my iso instead of spending time making memes about me flipping wolf it would be a greater world

I come to EoD with 15 minutes left just to "get cred" and bus on marmot over voting for AL who I had no read on and I could just omgus - since at least a few people seemed to think he was scummy anyway

hello Michelle

can you let em know i'm a villager

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:09 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:40 am hello Michelle

can you let em know i'm a villager
Nope

why, is it the FEAR

i'm an easy read you know it

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:15 am The have no fear, don't flatter yourself

then i expect you to attempt to find me as a villager once you do look into isos / have more time

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:54 pm I'm really interested in this Oddmerta angle because if I'm right it's very likely that other wolves were also pushing him. Does anyone remember what the Oddmerta wagon looked like?
Ted started the wagon with bs reasons, there were plenty of real reasons to sus me at the time but he made stuff up

Esooa immediately sheeped for something to do

Long Con got on the wagon because I was sussing him, omgus

BoKnows hopped on last because I don't know, I was commenting about how two of my scumreads were on his wagon, (LC and Jpic), and he switched over to vote me besides the person who was previously voting him

you responded to sloonei that you were acting different from your other game

why are my reasons bs if you openly admitted to it?

jjj if you still have hope left that i'm a villager, all i need is some direction on where to look and i can give thoughts fwiw

i'd say on surface level, the spf - tutuu thing looks like it could be a push on two people that are unaligned

especially with how i remember marmot approaching the whole deal, i want to say he's probably unaligned with tutuu at the very least

spf had a post about it that i thought about

another good point imo is to look for whoever he interacted with when this setup being multiball was brought up - the point of that question from wolves is to find out opinions from people UNALIGNED with them

in my head i'm making the comparison to GoC where we didn't actually know the setup was multiball, but still, i think it's at the very least a slight good look for whoever he engaged on that talk. if you're a wolf what are you gonna do, talk about certain information that is not revealed to villagers in the thread yet, just because...?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:04 am if you're a wolf what are you gonna do, talk about certain information that is not revealed to villagers in the thread yet, just because...?

in the context of why would you talk about it with your team mates

i'm gambling here but given that he was pushing top posters he probably at least felt a fair bit of them had decent odds at being wolves and he'd look good off of the pushes too probably

this is to say maybe he's unaligned with quite a lot of them and his team is probably the one that's gonna get crushed first

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:13 am @tedxtr once you sort out these possible non-teammates, who stands out among the rest as Kansas City Mafia?

eh, i mean it's tough, there's still a lot of slots

i'll look for direct interactions that look weird i guess

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:51 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:48 pm ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?

prob not aligned

already made the point but evidence is stacking

it's more about how tutuu reacted after this post more than marmot's actual reaction

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:31 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:22 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:21 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 pm My only experience of marmot is that he is silly when mafia and pretty serious when town. My sample size is only three games so I acknowledge i need more data.
This is true based on the one game I saw him as Mafia
Which game was that?
Shadow Corridors

he was known as Thundercat, some sort of villainous alter ego of his I'm sure

Side note, since you bring this up. I wonder if @BoKnows ever realized he and I were teammates in that game.

Thundercat is a slappin bassist.

is this worth reading into?

looking into more about bk in marmot's iso, i wanna say it's probablyyy not partnery

#gut takes

making the weird comment and then town reading him for bad reasons it's probably not w/w indicative

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