The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:33 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:08 am probably not w/w with marmot

spf
michelle
boknows
hally

is there a reason why not michelle here?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:04 am i'd say on surface level, the spf - tutuu thing looks like it could be a push on two people that are unaligned

especially with how i remember marmot approaching the whole deal, i want to say he's probably unaligned with tutuu at the very least

spf had a post about it that i thought about

another good point imo is to look for whoever he interacted with when this setup being multiball was brought up - the point of that question from wolves is to find out opinions from people UNALIGNED with them

in my head i'm making the comparison to GoC where we didn't actually know the setup was multiball, but still, i think it's at the very least a slight good look for whoever he engaged on that talk. if you're a wolf what are you gonna do, talk about certain information that is not revealed to villagers in the thread yet, just because...?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:11 am i'm gambling here but given that he was pushing top posters he probably at least felt a fair bit of them had decent odds at being wolves and he'd look good off of the pushes too probably

this is to say maybe he's unaligned with quite a lot of them and his team is probably the one that's gonna get crushed first

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:51 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:48 pm ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?

prob not aligned

already made the point but evidence is stacking

it's more about how tutuu reacted after this post more than marmot's actual reaction

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:40 am if ted's a wolf, he's on the other team

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:42 am even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:47 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:42 am even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

What joke? That was me telling you that I disagree with your take.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:07 amgot it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:59 am ted did you ever explain why you switched your vote at the end

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:12 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:51 pm i think i'll be voting marmot over al

I could find absolutely zero direct references to Al_sama in Tedxtr's ISO

On the other hand, I could find several direct references to Marmot in Ted's ISO. Ted ISO'd Marmot and concluded that he was a villager (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 70#p762270), and he spent a large portion of d1 defending him.

In spite of that, Ted decided to vote for the person that he had previously made a towncase on over the person that he had no direct interactions with whatsoever

Why?

@tedxtr

please explain this when you get the chance

idk if it's intentional or not but you're already misrepresenting me by a huge ton

when EoD approached - i got actually good points instead of "he's slanking" that I even agreed with. I admitted one of my main reasons for him being town (which can be tracked - i put it in the tl;dr version) could've been a reach when I talked with JJJ. I didn't like how marmot appeared to be defeated at EoD and felt like the PoE argument (marmot having entirely different takes from the thread and yet still acting unconcerned) was tons better than anything going itt.

I did not vote al because I felt like he was closer to rand than marmot, simple as that. his interpretation of me wasn't really wrong either - i am a pretty big factor behind most pushes on our main site, but my meta on here is entirely different - and even though everyone voted for him at EoD, I've acknowledged the possibility of him being still pretty =rand as opposed to marmot. The stars could've aligned for him, but even though he popped in to vote for me - he had more reason to do so than to vote for Marmot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:16 am it is past 4 am and i am still playing mafia. I need to sleep.

Everything ted has said tonight has made me believe he is mafia. I don't say that to discourage ted if he is town, or to bury him in the eyes of others. It's just an honest reflection on the events of this evening/early morning. I encourage others to read our exchange(s) and make their own assessments. I also encourage ted to continue to work to solve the game.

TSP has looked as though he is actively trying to obfuscate and derail the thread at times. I do not know why he would be doing that as either alignment.

I'll reserve other thoughts until I feel more comfortable with the threadstate and my level of alertness.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:17 am i don’t understand why tony’s wagon is that much bigger than ted’s. i think ted is a better lunch personally

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:23 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:20 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:17 am i don’t understand why tony’s wagon is that much bigger than ted’s. i think ted is a better lunch personally

Apologies if you've gone into it already, but why ted > TSP?

ted looks very aligned with marmot and also could possibly be on the other team

the consensus on tony is that if he’s a wolf he can’t be with marmot and would only be on the other team

so to me it makes more sense to lunch ted first

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:58 am

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:15 am marmot, when you get the chance, do you mind quickly breaking down your reads for me? just hearing your view of the game rn would be helpful for me

Sure. I'm about to go to bed, but here's where I'm at.

I think some of the players who are steering the thread and maintaining a cohesive, team-oriented approach are town. This includes JJJ and Sloonei. There are probably other such active players that I haven't had the chance to interact with, but these two are standouts.

Tutuu has been high activity, but low commitment to her reads, I don't think there's much sincerity behind it. I can dig into it tomorrow to see if I still feel that way.

I've already explained my read of you. Some good posts. One icky post.

Nanook is in a slightly similar boat, one post that I didn't care for, but overall has been fine. I expressed suspicion of him earlier, but when I think about it, I'd expect more slanking from him as mafia.

TSP and Bo I think are town due to volume and content. Bo in particular seems extremely comfortable and fluid here to an extent that I've never seen from himn, and he's been the Day 1 yeet in multiple recent games.


These are the players that have stood out to me thus far. Thanks for asking, this was a useful exercise for me too

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:00 pm [VOTE: Al] aubergine

This is the best of the current wagons.

Do you genuinely believe Al is the scummiest active wagon or is this self pres?

Also this wording implies there is someone who you'd rather see exed over Al but who isn't an active wagon. Who is it?

It is both.

I've seen reasons for both Ted and TSP to be town. Al on the other hand posted an awkward readlist yesterday and not much since then.


If this game happens to be multi-ball, Nanook and spf should be given another look. They were both suspicions I had earlier on before they claimed mason.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:41 pm If AL was catching/caught up, I would expect more than just the ted observation

I also disagree on that slot

Hally these are mentions about Ted in Marmot's Iso if my 'find in page' works correct, maybe it was one more post
Level zero says Ted may be aligned, but I am not anymore a level zero player, so I keep my read om Ted.

Explain me your ideas @Hally, why is Ted Marmot's partner?

ctrl+f “marmot” in ted’s iso

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:58 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:55 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:17 am i don’t understand why tony’s wagon is that much bigger than ted’s. i think ted is a better lunch personally

i loved the part where you gave a reason

i did

when are you gonna try to find wolves or solve the game? i wanna mark it on my calendar so i don’t miss it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:59 pm "Got it" was supposed to be interpreted as him disagreeing with Alison's case.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:01 pm ted can I be blunt with you?

Unless you reveal as innocent child or something similar there is very little that you can do at this point to convince the town that their suspicion of you is wrong. You've been doing this self defense stuff since Night 1 and nobody has been swayed. If you are town, the best way to play to your win condition is to just hunt like a normal person, and leave a strong legacy for town to sheep. People in the POE always have better reads because they have a free cop check on themselves. So if you are town use that to your advantage and give us strong reads to fall back on after you die rather than struggling against an outcome that won't change.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:14 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:01 pm ted can I be blunt with you?

Unless you reveal as innocent child or something similar there is very little that you can do at this point to convince the town that their suspicion of you is wrong. You've been doing this self defense stuff since Night 1 and nobody has been swayed. If you are town, the best way to play to your win condition is to just hunt like a normal person, and leave a strong legacy for town to sheep. People in the POE always have better reads because they have a free cop check on themselves. So if you are town use that to your advantage and give us strong reads to fall back on after you die rather than struggling against an outcome that won't change.

exactly, i know i'm gonna die here for bad reasons

my reads won't really matter in the bigger scheme of things

so what are you going to do now? just complain about the suspicion on you every time you post until we lunch you and not solve at all? really?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:13 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:01 pm ted can I be blunt with you?

Unless you reveal as innocent child or something similar there is very little that you can do at this point to convince the town that their suspicion of you is wrong. You've been doing this self defense stuff since Night 1 and nobody has been swayed. If you are town, the best way to play to your win condition is to just hunt like a normal person, and leave a strong legacy for town to sheep. People in the POE always have better reads because they have a free cop check on themselves. So if you are town use that to your advantage and give us strong reads to fall back on after you die rather than struggling against an outcome that won't change.

exactly, i know i'm gonna die here for bad reasons

my reads won't really matter in the bigger scheme of things

Your reads only wouldn’t matter after your death if you are revealed to be bad as Alison just explained why you should still post for legacy

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:17 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:14 pm instead of looking for other wolves you're not doing anything better with your time than I am, it's not like you're asking people any questions.

there's at least 5 wolves left

with respect, what are you talking about? there’s been tons of discussion and questioning of people other than you this day. you are not even the lead wagon. when you entered the thread we were discussing michelle and nanook, both of whom are not you, and instead of weighing in on that conversation you brought up the suspicion on you. you are the one who just made the thread about you again

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:27 pm Michelle - what do you think of Al's push on me?

seems pretty weird to me generally speaking, his most confident scum read on d1 is someone that "isn't tunneling" so he's mafia", even though I believe he's seen me play as a mafia before and I'm usually even more tunnely as mafia on AB

there's almost no post that he read from my iso and thought "this looks weird"

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:32 pm Al plays very similar as vibe with his town games.
I don't know why you call him scum and he receives a lot of pressure and suspicion.
He can be scum, but also he can be a villager who's wrong about you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

I don't really get this post. LC isn't even a wagon.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:38 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:33 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:27 pm Michelle - what do you think of Al's push on me?

seems pretty weird to me generally speaking, his most confident scum read on d1 is someone that "isn't tunneling" so he's mafia", even though I believe he's seen me play as a mafia before and I'm usually even more tunnely as mafia on AB

there's almost no post that he read from my iso and thought "this looks weird"

@AL_sama you could clarify this as well

but before saying anything, how did you catch up on the game? did you read the entire thread? or how did you read the game

They said in one of their last posts they read “pretty much most of it”

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:47 am

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:45 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:21 am

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:19 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:06 am

Read the next 12 pages and give us your summary, thoughts and your reads

well I m reading but tell me something is it usual for tututu dip like this??

hi, tutuu didn’t dip. i replaced her

ah I missed that

how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 pm ted reminds me of one of the goofiest sequences i've seen in a long time:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

I am not rearranging these posts. These are two things that Marmot said, in this order, four minutes apart from each other. Post #1 asserts a firm town read on LC. Post #2 states directly that is intending to ISO LC. Usually we ISO players because we are lacking clear or cohesive reads on them. But Marmot had just told us he had a clear or cohesive read on LC four minutes earlier.

What do people make of this? Is the awkwardness just a result of Marmot's alignment? Or does it suggest anything special about LC?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:12 pm something's off about kza's page 1 to me

does anyone else get that feeling i've described? "reasonable wolf making the most sense and mediating reads between people so they are as correct as possible" seems like the best way I can put it

maybe not even that, i'm having trouble putting my finger on it. idk if it's a playstyle thing yet, though. it;s like they're exploring more the accuracy of the read than who it comes from.

didn't get to reading their full ISO

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:50 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:49 am esooa's reaction to the potentiality of the game being multiball precludes her from being on a team in a multiball world

No it does not

Why are we in a multiball world now

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:24 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:21 pm i thiiiiink al is not teamed with marmot

i don't think i have good reasons

marmot hard pushed al at EoD

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm Town pile
Alison*
Esooa
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Oddmerta*
Sloonei
Strawhenge
*reassess this interplay if and only if there is no appropriate explanation for future life, let them sort themselves

Close enough pile
BoKnows
staypositivefriend
Hally/tutuu

Backup POE pool
fingersplints
Justplayingitcool
Michelle

POE pool
Dom
KZA
Long Con
Nanook
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:41 pm macdougall you still suck at reading me

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:44 pm well since marmot's role was described as "very good", marmot trying to bus Al to preserve the superkill isn't out of the picture.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol

i thought everyone said he’s a villager?

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama

i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison

So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:48 pm I was unable to draw anything conclusive from Marmot's handling of al_sama and vice versa. Marmot left him alone until right before the deadline when they became competing wagons. That could easily be indicative of a partnership. Or it might not be. It's all WIFOM at that point.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol

i thought everyone said he’s a villager?

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama

i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison

So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

Just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks eh?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm ted, mac iso’d falcon after that and rescinded/said falcon wasn’t a priority for him

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama

i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison

So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

Just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks eh?

you're speaking big words for someone that has not addressed me at least once in this game

Right back at ya buttercup

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:55 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm ted, mac iso’d falcon after that and rescinded/said falcon wasn’t a priority for him

i guess i should've expected that, since he changes his reads all the damn time

unless it's me, then he never does

Why don't you go thru my ISO and give me a read instead of parroting others?