The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:04 pm JHFDJDHjdfdsjhflkjdshfkjfhjdsfhHJHJKFHDJLDFJHLFDJFdhLKJDHDdsfadsfdsfdsfdsfdsfdimgayfdsjfkdsafdkDSAUSKDJSJFKFH

esta es una mafia

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:13 pm Dear mafia.

I am here to fuck on you.

oi mac

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:21 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

i have a n0 guilty on nutella, let's go

wow my first post reads are amazing

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:24 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:21 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

i have a n0 guilty on nutella, let's go
should have waited for her to post for a while then revealed.
yes maybe but i'm impatient

it's just "town" or "non-town" so technically she could be 3P but she is non-town

very cool but i am town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:42 pm alright good night, go along with my plan if you have a big dick

(these are all alison posts from last year i get it)

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:10 pm I got the best role in this motherfucking planet, I'm gonna destroy so many wolves with it. I finally can get shit done on my own!

i cc

wolves probably want to kill me just sayin

[VOTE: alexa] aubergine

just love being forced into doming her d1 this is gonna be great

you better rescind or you will die

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao

it's a meme

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:27 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:22 pm maybe nutella is 3P

but they are definitely non-town
why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?

The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.

Right Alexa?
i'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't town

you are lying and need to rescind now or it is bad info

I am 100% town, move on and let me play and I will destroy wolves

alexa is almost certainly wolf scared that i will catch her

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 pm there's a chance she is town it is not exactly a red check i won't know for sure until tomorrow or the next day

lmao what

this is bs you are just mafia

what is the info, spit it out or die

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:28 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:27 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:22 pm maybe nutella is 3P

but they are definitely non-town
why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?

The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.

Right Alexa?
i'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't town
Do you hard claim this? If you do I have the means to kill her now.
don't kill her yet
Why not? She is not town as you claim.
ok so

essentially i have info on her role and it's not a town role (i didn't think)

but her reaction to this is kind of towny so i'm not sure

roles are independent of alignment. I am town

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

if it was just a role peek it makes sense she thinks it isn't a town role except that it is because nook made roles and alignments independent

she went about this quite badly though lol

if i die early because of this i'm gonna be pretty fucking salty, it's a great role for town to have

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:37 pm Nutella and Alexa are wolves together.

It does not make sense that Alexa peeks Nutella as not town, claims specifically that Nutella is not town and then advocates to not kill her and then Nutella sort of excusing her is also sus.

lmao

no, she apparently had a role peek on me and thought my role was alignment indicative but it's not

i'm town and she could be too

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

the possibility of mafia captain picking roles from a list of possible roles tells me roles are likely independent of alignment, and imo my role corroborates that to me

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:43 pm Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

Maybe

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:48 pm Alexa and Nutella sheeping pretty fast is quite indicative Neeko was right it was SvS.

hmm yes because that makes sense in any world

guillo calm the fuck down and read what alexa actually clarified

she didn't have a not town peek, she had a role peek that she thought indicated non town but was wrong

i do wish this hadn't happened and alexa had kept it to herself because now wolves might be able to narrow down the kind of role i have but ah well

i think it's likely enough she just didnt realize roles and alignment were likely independent of each other

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:20 pm Notice from everyone!
Kindly listen... so

I'm gonna play bad when being scum read
It would hinder me to give the town some info
So let's just play some game and stop the music
If you try to buddy me, I graciously accept
I am spreading love, but also wanting to become a hero
Let's have fun y'all and don't lynch me I have soo many things I can offer

Town

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Yeah
[VOTE: creature] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:05 pm Also currently in Kentucky

Oof get better

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0
if it was just a role peek it makes sense she thinks it isn't a town role except that it is because nook made roles and alignments independent

she went about this quite badly though lol
Shouldn't you be reading Alexa as lock town from your perspective? She clearly knows your role, because she knows it is a scummy looking role and you have just verified that. But if she was mafia, Nanook would not give her the ability to discern your role N1 because that's just a free soupkill and super uninteractive. Therefore she is a genuine town investigative, no?

I'm not locking anything but I do think she's probably town now

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Derp vehemently denied.

Town:
Alexa
Alison
Guillo
Seanzie
112
Hollowkatt
C4
Urist
Paopan

Meh/mrrr:
Linearpoint
Sloonei

Mafia:
Creature

All others no opinion

100% agree with all points of Alison's case. And I just played with town creature in a mash last week and this ain't it chief. He's way off rhythm.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?
I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Not too early for a wolf to make themself that obvious. I think alison is right and justified by how glaringly bad creature's content has been.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?
Fluff posts are NAI

Whatever the derp thing you mean is NAI because you don't need to put stock on them

The flame fanning or whatever could just be town trying to push something

"Could" be but isn't eh

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.

This isn't helping you

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.
This isn't helping you
Why not?

It's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:56 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.
nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao
What? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few players
apparently there is a wolf captain and they either have the option to choose 6 people OR to choose all the mafia roles

also did not realize this

yall read the op smh

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.
This isn't helping you
Why not?
It's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing
Well you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and giggles

Guilty conscience. Alison's point about your 3p post. Not what you are referring to

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:21 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:29 pm Town:
Alexa
Alison
Guillo
Seanzie
112
Hollowkatt
C4
Urist
Paopan

Meh/mrrr:
Linearpoint
Sloonei

Mafia:
Creature

All others no opinion
is it normal for nutella to have so many trs this early?
Not sure what that means for nutella. Would be a shame if those townreads come from the assumption I'm wolf

They are all pretty independent reads

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
Do you have much experience with her wolf game? Have you caught her as a wolf?

Yes.

When she's wolf her cases are more calculated, imo this was quick on the uptake and resonated with my own view so I feel good about her

112/Mac/ilario w/w/w howbowdah

Y'all post a lot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pm I mean I think probably nutella is not town and is trying to get creature chopped and therefore we can’t trust what nutella says (?)

Thank you very cool

Creature could improve but I really felt like Alison simply caught him

Ilario has a lot of takes I disagree with but that's nai for him probably

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am @nutella why r u scumreading 112 and illario?

Idk just forming a bloc in my mind with some of their views that I don't vibe with but maybe it's nothing

You and 112 both gave me paranoia of potential power wolfing

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:02 am Mac is spewed clear by the sheer number of people who don't realize he's even in this game

40% serious take

That's silly lol

A those people could just all be town B it could be fake derping

Actually remembering what illario said about not reading the op was probably real so he's ok for now

Idk this is moving so fast

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:08 am Creature seems too easy. Too obvious. Occam’s razor and all that

Usually the obvious scum are scum

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff
Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games
I think you are.
I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying
These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning
Spoiler: show
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo
Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

Yikes

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