The Syndicate

Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:56 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:54 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

no

Why no/do you know why yes

i assume you thought the "i want the guilty to be real" comment was sus but it felt real to me from creature

He wasn't born yesterday.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:58 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:55 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:08 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:06 pm HENLO SYNDIKATTS! I HAVE MISSED YOU

Holy fuxk, now the party can begin

This is scum

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

This is a serious vote.

Neeko will do you 1 better.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:07 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:02 pm Also, I'm very likely going to do something anti-town before EoD. Don't blame me. Blame Nanook and the memes.

Sweet


[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

No, this vote should be on Nanook.

You first

Distancing 101.

Town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:59 pm (I hear that copypasting the previous year's winner in a championship game is the key to success.)


(But ffs all of Alison's posts are repetitive and unusable in a different context.)

Think of it as my own version of DRM.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:07 pm Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

They seem alright so far.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:16 pmLinearpoint maf

You have very disagreeable takes this game.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:17 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:42 pm alright good night, go along with my plan if you have a big dick

(these are all alison posts from last year i get it)

This one was a gem.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:17 pm Look there is a soup kill so how about we make up roles and fuck with scum's little killing toy.

I start! I'm the....jailkeeper yah

He is probably actually the jailkeeper and laughing his ass off as the mafia guess anything but that for his soup entry. Therefore Guillo is town.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

Townie mindset.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

Yup. Also you're town.

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:28 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:27 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:22 pm maybe nutella is 3P

but they are definitely non-town

why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?

The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.

Right Alexa?

i'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't town

Do you hard claim this? If you do I have the means to kill her now.

don't kill her yet

Why not? She is not town as you claim.

ok so

essentially i have info on her role and it's not a town role (i didn't think)

but her reaction to this is kind of towny so i'm not sure

I have a scummy role but town. I actually had to clarify whether I was town or lost wolf with Nanook.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:35 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

if it was just a role peek it makes sense she thinks it isn't a town role except that it is because nook made roles and alignments independent

she went about this quite badly though lol

Shouldn't you be reading Alexa as lock town from your perspective? She clearly knows your role, because she knows it is a scummy looking role and you have just verified that. But if she was mafia, Nanook would not give her the ability to discern your role N1 because that's just a free soupkill and super uninteractive. Therefore she is a genuine town investigative, no?

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:43 pm Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

No. Enlighten me.

You are townie for not outing it immediately though.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:48 pm Alexa and Nutella sheeping pretty fast is quite indicative Neeko was right it was SvS.

I rescind my townread on you.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:52 pm Seanzie is also probably bad. Neeko joking that Falcon and Seanzie being scum really struck a nerve with Seanzie apparently so it could very well turn out to be true.

Why bring this up ages after Seanzie left the thread?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:06 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:04 pm Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Somebody shoot this please.

Don't think it's sus because I think wolves chose roles, not players.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:06 pm OK, so Neeko's current theory.
Neeko's role makes her agree with Nutella roles and alignments might not be tied down.
If Mafia chose roles why not take N0 rolecop? So Mafia either chose players and forwent N0 rolecop meaning Alexa and Nutella are both Town.
OR
Mafia chose roles and took N0 rolecop using it to find roles quicker. Mafia probably wouldn't say they have a N0 rolecop on who they actually checked meaning Nutella and Alexa are probably both Mafia pretending with a gambit.
Nutella suggesting roles are not tied to alignment to Neeko makes it more likely option B was what happened and Nutella knew roles were not randomly assigned alignments.

Don't think Nanook would offer N0 rolecop to mafia with a soupkill. Can't think of a more unfun way to get eliminated.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

The real flame fanner.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:20 pm Notice from everyone!
Kindly listen... so

I'm gonna play bad when being scum read
It would hinder me to give the town some info
So let's just play some game and stop the music
If you try to buddy me, I graciously accept
I am spreading love, but also wanting to become a hero
Let's have fun y'all and don't lynch me I have soo many things I can offer

I feel like this is some boneheaded breadcrumb.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:42 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:41 pm I want to policy neeko

Care to explain why?

HK shouldn't have to explain this

You've refused to explain any of your takes thus fair.

You woofin' HK?

r/wooooosh

neeko is speaking in 3rd person and it's irritating. So I said "meh policy" and you said why and I said "HK shouldn't have to explain this" where I was also speaking in 3rd person.

And the only other take I've refused to explain so far is you.
I threw you into my original townies list to see what you'd say when you read it. You immediately pressed me on why I did that. I read that as town because you'd want to know why I'm doing that so that you can understand if I'm trying to pocket you or not. Wolf seanzie may be more likely to just roll with it.

So when you had that response I shifted from a faked town read to a real town read.

Very townie

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:16 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:52 pm Seanzie is also probably bad. Neeko joking that Falcon and Seanzie being scum really struck a nerve with Seanzie apparently so it could very well turn out to be true.

Why bring this up ages after Seanzie left the thread?

Seanzie never left the thread?

He hadn't posted for a while at that point. I guess I'm asking what made you suddenly think of it.

Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons
Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

-

Please vote Creature.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:38 pm Didn't you do something like this last game when you were mafia?

Oh, now you're concerned I am mafia trying to eliminate you. But when I pushed you earlier on in the game you brushed me aside and said you were annoyed.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Why does it read that way to you?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:38 pm Didn't you do something like this last game when you were mafia?

Oh, now you're concerned I am mafia trying to eliminate you. But when I pushed you earlier on in the game you brushed me aside and said you were annoyed.

I thought you were trying to sort me so I just shrugged off and waited for you to get to the correct conclusion. Instead you just bring up posts that aren't mafia-indicative at all and hide its bullshit between a lot of text.

I have explained why the posts are mafia indicative. Now it is your turn to explain why they aren't.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

I am eager to project town and control the game as both alignments. I have also been known to initiate giant pushes on players I think are suspicious very early on in the game. All of these things are staples of my town play, and most of the players here can corroborate this. Does that change your mind?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

Fluff posts are NAI

Whatever the derp thing you mean is NAI because you don't need to put stock on them

The flame fanning or whatever could just be town trying to push something

It's true, I don't need to put stock in the derptells. But I think you're the kind of player who would be a lot more likely to try to derpclear yourself as scum than as town.

Flame fanning - okay. What were you trying to push, and what did you gain from those pushes? Can you elaborate on your Seanzie read?

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

hmm will consider

to me: i read the post first of all paying attention to its form more-so than the contents, and it really seemed like alison was trying /hard/ to follow a process and more than that appear to be following a process. maybe i am being anti-intellectual here and there is towny merit in casing people like that, but i honestly get the feeling she's trying too hard to slam dunk creature through a rigid adherence to cause-and-effect writing.

idk if that makes sense but ye

A rigid adherence to cause-and-effect is a good way to summarize my town play.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.

But you weren't pushing on it, and this is my problem with what you said. You weren't going "I believe Alexa. Let's vote nutella out. /vote nutella". That would be pushing something, trying to get the ball rolling as town. Instead you said, "lol if nutella is salty that alexa caught her n0". This is not pushing something. This is insinuating, suggesting, provoking. It is an attempt to set nutella and alexa at each other's throats, and to more generally lend credence to the nutella wagon, without directly involving yourself or getting your hands dirty. That is why it is scummy.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

Fluff posts are NAI

Whatever the derp thing you mean is NAI because you don't need to put stock on them

The flame fanning or whatever could just be town trying to push something

It's true, I don't need to put stock in the derptells. But I think you're the kind of player who would be a lot more likely to try to derpclear yourself as scum than as town.

Flame fanning - okay. What were you trying to push, and what did you gain from those pushes? Can you elaborate on your Seanzie read?

I tend to ask before reading as both alignments.

Also, I don't need to come up with a report for every push I try to make. I just keep mental notes of how players reacted to them that may be used later in the game when I have a list of names I want to sort.

Please transcribe these mental notes for us.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:58 pm There's a reason why they're mental notes

I have quoted posts that fanned the flames, and accused you of using those posts to try to set the town at each other's throats.

Your response is that you were using them as reaction tests to learn more about the alignments of other players, and that the results of these reaction tests are kept in your head as mental notes.

I am asking you to tell us what you have learned from these reaction tests so I can verify that you are not lying or making things up.

You have refused to do so, for no apparent reason, and attempted to redirect the conversation.

Either provide a clear, succinct, and verifiable reason why you cannot tell us what you have learned from the reaction tests you supposedly engaged in, or I will be forced to assume you are lying.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:58 pm There's a reason why they're mental notes

I have quoted posts that fanned the flames, and accused you of using those posts to try to set the town at each other's throats.

Your response is that you were using them as reaction tests to learn more about the alignments of other players, and that the results of these reaction tests are kept in your head as mental notes.

I am asking you to tell us what you have learned from these reaction tests so I can verify that you are not lying or making things up.

You have refused to do so, for no apparent reason, and attempted to redirect the conversation.

Either provide a clear, succinct, and verifiable reason why you cannot tell us what you have learned from the reaction tests you supposedly engaged in, or I will be forced to assume you are lying.

Jesus Christ it's because I don't have enough notes to systematically order my thoughts down and even if I did I'm too lazy to write a whole Great Wall of China

Nobody is asking for a great wall of China. I'm just asking you to tell me what you've learned from your reaction tests.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Openings like these tend to be >rand scum though I wonder if alison would do such a rookie mistake as a wolf

I open this way 3/4 of my games regardless of alignment. I think it's a great way to open. Quote a post that is vote-worthy and then vote it.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:23 pm Damn, alison reallt is ticking all the checkboxes of how I would be playing as scum.

If you’re actually town here I think ur likely wrong on creature, dude is as easy af read and him being fluffy or whatever is not AI, in fact he’s more likely to awkwardly try and look like he’s contributing as a wolf ime

Fortunately I am not you.

I in fact think he is awkwardly trying to look like he's contributing. This is why he is asking shallow questions that lead nowhere and why is making posts that look like "pushes" but serve no purpose except to provoke townies, and when he is asked to account for what he has learned from their reactions he can produce nothing.

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:25 pm ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint

I've played with Creature a few times. I don't think this fits with his slanky town play. nutella has also testified that he is nothing like his town game.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

Do you have much experience with her wolf game? Have you caught her as a wolf?

She has more experience than you do.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

These townreads seem unsupported to me. Please elaborate on them.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:47 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

I didn't know you were a bluekang alt

If it was BlueKang he would be screaming at us to get off Alexa and his townreads.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:53 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:11 pm I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

this isnt a thought someone whose being tunneled by alison ever says as scum lol

Why? It's not a hard thing to say. You've never seen a wolf project false bravado under heat?

Mac's entrance is unimpressive. He remains firmly in my suspect pool.

@LinearPoint What is your opinion on my Creature case? You've been very absorbed with the alexa/nutella stuff. I'd like your view on other parts of the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pm I mean I think probably nutella is not town and is trying to get creature chopped and therefore we can’t trust what nutella says (?)

I think the way she went after Creature is exactly the way she goes after people as town.

What makes you suspect her?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:14 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:06 pm OK, so Neeko's current theory.
Neeko's role makes her agree with Nutella roles and alignments might not be tied down.
If Mafia chose roles why not take N0 rolecop? So Mafia either chose players and forwent N0 rolecop meaning Alexa and Nutella are both Town.
OR
Mafia chose roles and took N0 rolecop using it to find roles quicker. Mafia probably wouldn't say they have a N0 rolecop on who they actually checked meaning Nutella and Alexa are probably both Mafia pretending with a gambit.
Nutella suggesting roles are not tied to alignment to Neeko makes it more likely option B was what happened and Nutella knew roles were not randomly assigned alignments.

Don't think Nanook would offer N0 rolecop to mafia with a soupkill. Can't think of a more unfun way to get eliminated.

Why not. It is common for mafia to have a role cop in set ups with a soup kill.

I can believe a mafia rolecop. N0 seems sketchy. The point of a bastard role madness game is to see the roles collide wildly. An N0 rolecop in a game with a soupkill is an uninteractive check followed by an uninteractive kill that takes a potentially fun role out of the game completely. It is an unsatisfying way to die and I don't think Nanook would add a role like that into the game.

Maybe I am wrong. I was wrong the last time I tried to host read Nanook. But I do think that N0 checks like that don't really make mafia games more fun, and I think he is a host that cares very much about fun and making sure everyone has a good time.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 pm Mac's entrance is unimpressive. He remains firmly in my suspect pool.

@LinearPoint What is your opinion on my Creature case? You've been very absorbed with the alexa/nutella stuff. I'd like your view on other parts of the game.

Creature is being accused of the same thing Neeko is so Neeko is pretty much writing off the case entirely since Neeko knows it is NAI.
Creature's accusations also seem largely based on meta which Neeko is not familiar with.
That being said Neeko is lukewarm to the idea of Creature being Town. Not locktown, but nothing overly sus has been observed.

The first thing that sprang to mind when I read your post is this: "you are completely full of it".

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

LP and Creature are both great votes today.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:03 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 pm Mac's entrance is unimpressive. He remains firmly in my suspect pool.

@LinearPoint What is your opinion on my Creature case? You've been very absorbed with the alexa/nutella stuff. I'd like your view on other parts of the game.

Creature is being accused of the same thing Neeko is so Neeko is pretty much writing off the case entirely since Neeko knows it is NAI.
Creature's accusations also seem largely based on meta which Neeko is not familiar with.
That being said Neeko is lukewarm to the idea of Creature being Town. Not locktown, but nothing overly sus has been observed.

The first thing that sprang to mind when I read your post is this: "you are completely full of it".

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

Nah, Neeko speaks from the heart. The whole "fanning the flames" argument is just BS.

1) I brought up three points against Creature, but you're dismissing the entire case against him because of one point you disagree with.
2) It is obviously true that intentionally fanning the flames is a scummy move. Even if you think you personally haven't fanned any flames, it's disingenuous to extend that logic to protect Creature, without examining the specifics of why he's been accused of fanning flames.
3) None of the accusations I extended towards Creature were based on meta, except for the point about his low energy.

There is no logic in your post. There was no logic in your theory that alexa/nutella were partners, and that was why I dropped my townread on you. Now I have a full blown scumread on you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:08 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:07 am LP and Creature are both great votes today.

Why are they great votes?

Refer to the post immediately before this for why LP is a good vote.

Refer to my massive post about Creature for why he is a good vote.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:09 am I appreciate you Alison

I have not vibed with you at all this game. Why?