The Syndicate

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:01 pm SilverKeith (15)

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:47 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

this is for everyone

I need an answer

@112
@Alison
@Belzy
@BoKnows
@c4e5g3d5
@DrWilgy
@dyachei
@Dyslexicon
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@ilario
@Justplayingitcool
@KZA
@LinearPoint
@Marmot
@Master Radishes
@NotAnAxehole
@nutella
@Phil and Gloria
@Porscha
@sabie12
@Seanzie
@sig
@Sloonei
@TonyStarkPrime
@Urist

THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND MAY 100% NAIL A SCUM, PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU'VE PLAYED WITH PAOPAN BEFORE

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:38 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:36 am Oh hi radishes

I have determined to read both you and c4’s iso because i think i can read you both decently well

Probably will check marmot’s iso if he is playing as well

Don't bother. I just copypasta'd.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:17 am Is there a red on nutella too? I really did miss a lot.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:47 am Mafia

1. JPIC

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:36 pm Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:42 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:34 am Who all are in my timezone? I am in West Europe, the Netherlands. It is 10:34 am here, so day starts at midnight for me, so it always take a while before I post during a day, because I can't play post midnight cuz of job.

Of course I know Dyslexicon is European too. Who else?

I'm in the UK.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:11 am I think I might vote to Leave the Game of Champions. I would escape the over-regulation of the Host and have more self-sovereignty. I could better control who I allow to speak to me. I could do more scum-hunting myself instead of allowing untold numbers of other Mafia players to come and take that job away from me. And Iall that time I am forced to pay to this game could be better spent on my health.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:33 am But also there’s a lot of pretty hot and cute people in this game, so that helps.

I have one read and that is Guillo town. I’ll explain if that is controversial, but I don’t expect it to be.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:45 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:12 am [VOTE: LEAVE] aubergine

Is this a thing now? I am used it against the rules to speculate about subbing out, and also I find it very demotivating to read players saying they don't wanna be here. Please deal with this with the MoDs and hosts.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:53 am Also, as someone who never reads the OP...did no one read the OP?

Like the first lines from Nanook demand and plead with you to read it. It has clearly stated from the beginning the whole 'choose mates or choose roles' thing.

No one is allowed to be derpcleared from this.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 am Don't answer, Dizzy.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:40 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:33 am But also there’s a lot of pretty hot and cute people in this game, so that helps.

I have one read and that is Guillo town. I’ll explain if that is controversial, but I don’t expect it to be.

I saw exactly one post from guillo last night and my gut was leaning towards town as well. I don't remember what that post was

ISO me and let us all know, i havent posted a lot, it will be easy.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:37 pm Nutella and Alexa are wolves together.

It does not make sense that Alexa peeks Nutella as not town, claims specifically that Nutella is not town and then advocates to not kill her and then Nutella sort of excusing her is also sus.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:24 pm Last year's GoC was the biggest posting game on the Syndicate ever.

And this year we're adding Alexa.

So like...buckle up folks.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?

sell me

idk

Thought they seemed wolfy and Mac is voting them

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:52 pm My heart tells me to work with dizzy

My brain tells me this is exactly what happened the first time he pocketed me

My other side of the brain says I’m overthinking and it’s unlikely dizzy would really use the exact same strategy as mafia twice on me

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?

sell me

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:24 pm Town:
Alexa
Ilario
Belzy
Guillo
Sean
Nutella
Alison (think she cares about the game in a town way)
Paopan (don't know them, but surface level this just seems like town)

Jpic and Radish also seem ok.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:45 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:43 pmWhat if i said im side eyeing radishes rn

I'd be interested to hear why. I don't really feel strongly about him. I mean, I do, but not alignment wise.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:04 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:49 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:45 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:43 pmWhat if i said im side eyeing radishes rn

I'd be interested to hear why. I don't really feel strongly about him. I mean, I do, but not alignment wise.

Maybe im mixing radishes meta up, but his sarcastic/jokey quips here remind me of his scum game in CoV and Witcher

Plus the gambit demon claim which has scarred me enough that i am worried it’s a serious claim, even tho it was a copypasta from last year lol

My perception is that I've toned down my sarcasm/jokeyness a lot so far this game. I'm normally much worse.



Also truthfully JPIC, I've been side-eyeing you this whole time. You feel...stilted. I've seen you play a great scum game but also last year you were my support pillar and so far you're somewhere in between those extremes. I'm waiting to see you in beyond mid-D1 though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:14 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:12 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:09 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:07 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:04 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:49 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:45 pm

I'd be interested to hear why. I don't really feel strongly about him. I mean, I do, but not alignment wise.

Maybe im mixing radishes meta up, but his sarcastic/jokey quips here remind me of his scum game in CoV and Witcher

Plus the gambit demon claim which has scarred me enough that i am worried it’s a serious claim, even tho it was a copypasta from last year lol

My perception is that I've toned down my sarcasm/jokeyness a lot so far this game. I'm normally much worse.



Also truthfully JPIC, I've been side-eyeing you this whole time. You feel...stilted. I've seen you play a great scum game but also last year you were my support pillar and so far you're somewhere in between those extremes. I'm waiting to see you in beyond mid-D1 though.

i would agree with this. I need MR humor stat!

I did a bunch of Brexit jokes earlier! Surely that's enough for now.

as if brexit jokes are funny!

Pfft. I bet JPIC had a right old laugh before it turned into a sob.

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:17 pm Tony is scum. Someone please convince me I'm wrong.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:16 pm ok i think i can set my radishes paranoia aside for now

What did I do

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:21 pm Presenting hot takes, a Neeko short story.

First the (dis)honorable(?) mentions.
BoKnows, Wiggly, porscha, and Sig haven't posted so they go firmly in the "literally cannot read" category.

Second is the fluffy bunch. AKA the ones who have posted, but not posting content to read. By default they get a slightly scummy read just for clogging the thread and doing not much useful.

Spoiler: show

Dyachi - scumlean

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dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:12 pm can someone tell my why linearpoint is outed?

Neeko doesn't like this. Reads as not wanting to read Neeko's ISO and wanting others to make a case against Neeko for them.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:30 pm before i went to bed, nutella was starting to be sort of like her town self? not ready to commit there yet but getting that feeling

Only other read is this which is also posed more as a question than a read.

Dizzy - Null

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:30 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:27 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:52 pm Hello to everyone actually tbh tbh

Hello Dyslexicon,

How are you doing and how motivated are you for this game?

Belzy! I’m happy that you’re playing.

And I’m not very motivated for this game, at least not until at least half of us has died. Hope we all die soon.

Dizzy admits their only read and Guillotine's on record saying he doesn't think the Town reads on Guillotine are founded.
Overall Dizzy hasn't felt different from their Town game in Team Fortress Mafia, so Neeko puts Dizzy are Null, maybe a slight town lean.

Falcon - Null

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So far Falcon's jumped around RVS votes and voting Seanzie for their joke scummy posts which is NAI from either of the two then just ended with "I am Town."
There are no real posts to quote here as Falcon hasn't given a serious post this game yet. Problem is this is on brand for Falcon so it's NAI.

Sabie - Slight Scum

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Their ISO is fairly short and the only thing they talk about are the mechanics of the game and avoiding reads on people. There still isn't much to go on, but this is gut Mafia aligned behavior.

Next up is the Creature and Ender section of the post.
Both have pretty similar posts of just being slightly antagonistic towards everyone. Neeko still feels at most one is Mafia due to the iterations with each other Neeko had posted in a previous post.
They both have also been sprinkling serious posts around their joke posts, Creature in particular has started picking up the past and even explaining some reads like their Marmot read as well as posting a full reads list.
Ender has felt on and off of being lolcatting scum and obvitown, but their defeation mentality seems to be townie more than scum so Neeko puts Ender at Null to slight town lean.
Overall Neeko thinks lynching either is not beneficial today.

Neeko also would like to actually go over the full Neeko push analysis.
Alexa, Alison, Creature, (half of Ender), HK, KZA, Nutella, Pil and Gloria, Seanzie, and Urist.
The full list of people Neeko found pushing her and will break them down by section.

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First the Urist wave.

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Urist said this

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:43 pm Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:46 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:43 pm Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

Maybe

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

Nutella was one of the firsts to jump on it with and is non-committal with the "maybe."

Urist's actual reasoning when they posted also feels quite wrong.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:31 am @NotAnAxehole hollowkatt is in hard bus mode on caught scum lp, just vote lp and we can do hk next k

The only thing about HK's vote on neeko that seems out of place is that HK said Neeko was rolefishing when Neeko just wasn't.
But HK hasn't been extremely pushy so Neeko isn't sure how that ever comes across as a bus since busses tend to be deliberate and hard.
Also HK voted well after Urist, at least Neeko is fairly certain in this, making this is a pretty obvious attempt to change the reason for voting Neeko.

next are the ones who had a reason.

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alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:46 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:42 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:41 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:40 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:37 pm Nutella and Alexa are wolves together.

It does not make sense that Alexa peeks Nutella as not town, claims specifically that Nutella is not town and then advocates to not kill her and then Nutella sort of excusing her is also sus.

This actually makes sense.

what? how?

Honestly Nutella saying that yeah her role is not normally Town and you pushing to lynch her to back off quickly seems like a team.
IDK it's TvT or SvS. No real inbetween.

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

does not feel like a real read

Alexa is objectively false, but this on it's own doesn't actually feel like that bad of a post. The only ify this is the possible just looking for excuses to vote your accuser.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:42 pm LinearPoint is a flame fanner.

Seanz's reasoning also makes sense, however, neeko already pointed out that it was wrong as they used a joke post to justify it and wrongly classified neeko's accusation of Alexa and Nutella as flame.
Sean's later posts have been looking townie though, so this seems to be a Townie who just overread into some things than a deliberate push to mislynch.

KZA piggie backed off Seanzie's read, but hasn't said anything on the matter since. Neeko this this is a strong contender for Mafia wanting to vote and not seem suspicious.

Alison's post was long so Neeko wont quote it, but Alison voted Neeko for not bothering to read their wall against Creature. Fair. Neeko misread their question and thought they wanted general thoughts on Creature not a specific post.

Last at the select few who wanted to push me but were noncommital.

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:32 pm I don't really get the LinearPoint wagon and I think they're town unless I'm missing stuff that a mere mortal like me can't comprehend.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

why?

ftr i am least confident on guillo here but i think linear is probably a wolf

LinearPoint is at that limbo where I think their actions are more likely to come from town but lots of players are saying they're wolf and I'm afraid of being the wrong one here

Creature pretty much went from Town reading Neeko to just lumping Neeko in PoE with no real other reason than it's the hip thing to do.
Neeko's already said their thoughts on Creature, but being this willing to switch a town read to a scum read doesn't sit quite right. Pretty much why neeko null reads Creature. Some posts seem townie and others are like this.

Mac is the other notable one because Neeko doesn't remember Phil and Gloria ever voting Neeko despite the constant agreeing with Urist that Neeko is outed Mafia.
Neeko would have thrown Mac up with the Urist wave, but this distinction is intriguing and feels odd like Mac has TMI that Neeko's flip looks bad on them.
Right now Neeko has a scum lean on this slot.

Other mention is NAA who voted and stopped voting shortly after so no idea. Neeko thinks its NAI.

Neeko wanted to do a larger D1 analysis, but part 2 will probably have to come later.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:22 pm I've not given Creature much thought myself, but I'm very warily TRing Alison, and nutella also seemed convinced there was a meta gap at play.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 pm Jpic is town, that took five seconds.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:52 pm Is Sloonei's posting a restriction or just revenge

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:42 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:45 pm I have a red on radishes kill him

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:46 pmI cc

I town read this

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:08 pm Like, I expected the play this game was try to find afew townies and try to assist their core but with the information overload, even in a 5 page back read, I'm not sure where to start.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:15 pm I have 10 minutes. Someone ask me a question

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:25 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:24 pm Really not worth considering multiball until it becomes immediately apparent we’re in that scenario

what does the term multiball mean?