The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

???

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

So is any of your reason based on mine or Alison's posts?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:07 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

So is any of your reason based on mine or Alison's posts?

you're just being aggressive towards allison

Please explain how my agression relates to a 5050 coin flip.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:08 am Like seriouslu game is Alison, Porscha.

See you next time.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:56 pm I've got a hunch, but I'mma wait to see something before I post it because it is a pretty WiLd hunch.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:11 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:08 am Like seriouslu game is Alison, Porscha.

See you next time.

now i know you're joking

I'm dead serious. I'mma need to see something egregious from someone else to not vote one of you in every game phase.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:07 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

So is any of your reason based on mine or Alison's posts?

you're just being aggressive towards allison

Please explain how my agression relates to a 5050 coin flip.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:11 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:11 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:08 am Like seriouslu game is Alison, Porscha.

See you next time.

now i know you're joking

I'm dead serious. I'mma need to see something egregious from someone else to not vote one of you in every game phase.

vote for allison idc lmao

How do you read me?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:07 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

So is any of your reason based on mine or Alison's posts?

you're just being aggressive towards allison

Please explain how my agression relates to a 5050 coin flip.

did it occur to you that when I thirded that read, I was considering allison as the wolf between you two. or did you assume my comment about your aggression towards allison was pointing at you being an aggressive wolf and me defending allison? not intended

You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third. Can you quote the posts you were looking at to conclude this? Preferably wirh explanations as to why they caused you to third? The game is small so this should be easy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:25 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:07 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:00 am

So is any of your reason based on mine or Alison's posts?

you're just being aggressive towards allison

Please explain how my agression relates to a 5050 coin flip.

did it occur to you that when I thirded that read, I was considering allison as the wolf between you two. or did you assume my comment about your aggression towards allison was pointing at you being an aggressive wolf and me defending allison? not intended

You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third. Can you quote the posts you were looking at to conclude this? Preferably wirh explanations as to why they caused you to third? The game is small so this should be easy.

sorry can you reword "You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third" i'm not sober and my brain doesnt make sense of it

I'm also not sober, so sorry.

You said "thirded" to a post that was about me or Alison having to be a wolf, then after I asked you, you strongly implied that you were considering Alison as the wolf.

Please quote the posts that Alison posted that made you suspicious of Alison and please explain your suspicion.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:30 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:25 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:07 am

Please explain how my agression relates to a 5050 coin flip.

did it occur to you that when I thirded that read, I was considering allison as the wolf between you two. or did you assume my comment about your aggression towards allison was pointing at you being an aggressive wolf and me defending allison? not intended

You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third. Can you quote the posts you were looking at to conclude this? Preferably wirh explanations as to why they caused you to third? The game is small so this should be easy.

sorry can you reword "You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third" i'm not sober and my brain doesnt make sense of it

I'm also not sober, so sorry.

You said "thirded" to a post that was about me or Alison having to be a wolf, then after I asked you, you strongly implied that you were considering Alison as the wolf.

Please quote the posts that Alison posted that made you suspicious of Alison and please explain your suspicion.

oh honestly the one game I played with alison she didn't start like this so I found it mildly off putting and your pushing of her felt naturally townie I guess? god I hope I dont come to eat those words

How many times have you been wolf? Can you quote me two recent wolf games of yours?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:48 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:41 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:30 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:25 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:17 am

You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third. Can you quote the posts you were looking at to conclude this? Preferably wirh explanations as to why they caused you to third? The game is small so this should be easy.

sorry can you reword "You seem to imply Alison is the wolf you third" i'm not sober and my brain doesnt make sense of it

I'm also not sober, so sorry.

You said "thirded" to a post that was about me or Alison having to be a wolf, then after I asked you, you strongly implied that you were considering Alison as the wolf.

Please quote the posts that Alison posted that made you suspicious of Alison and please explain your suspicion.

oh honestly the one game I played with alison she didn't start like this so I found it mildly off putting and your pushing of her felt naturally townie I guess? god I hope I dont come to eat those words

How many times have you been wolf? Can you quote me two recent wolf games of yours?

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/sfm-as ... /1856/5935

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/prehis ... /1550/4549

sorry they are both on FoL lol

How many times have you been wolf?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:49 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:29 pm Alison and Seanzie had the worst entrances. Doubt it's w/w theater though.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:58 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:31 pm DrWilgy, falcon45ca and NANOOK seemed towny roughly this order

What about DoO?

Not really indicative of anything

I think these posts are scummy. Discuss.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:08 am Alison is a wolf and we need to kill her today.

Why?

I know you well enough to know that you know me well enough that you'd have a read on me if you were town. You can claim you're busy, and I believe that you're busy, but regardless of your business, you're just a wolf. Sorry about your rand.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:08 am Alison is a wolf and we need to kill her today.

Why?

I know you well enough to know that you know me well enough that you'd have a read on me if you were town. You can claim you're busy, and I believe that you're busy, but regardless of your business, you're just a wolf. Sorry about your rand.

:o lol

elaborate please. What do you think about my post?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:22 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:08 am Alison is a wolf and we need to kill her today.

Why?

I know you well enough to know that you know me well enough that you'd have a read on me if you were town. You can claim you're busy, and I believe that you're busy, but regardless of your business, you're just a wolf. Sorry about your rand.

:o lol

elaborate please. What do you think about my post?

I feel like you saw me call your previous posts aggressive and in your mind you thought, "porscha hasn't SEEN aggressive yet" and then proceeded to type out that neck choking post

How do you feel about Alison? I'd like a clear read along with details if possible.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:22 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:09 am
Why?

I know you well enough to know that you know me well enough that you'd have a read on me if you were town. You can claim you're busy, and I believe that you're busy, but regardless of your business, you're just a wolf. Sorry about your rand.

:o lol

elaborate please. What do you think about my post?

I feel like you saw me call your previous posts aggressive and in your mind you thought, "porscha hasn't SEEN aggressive yet" and then proceeded to type out that neck choking post

How do you feel about Alison? I'd like a clear read along with details if possible.

why must you ask so much of me

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:27 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:22 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:13 am
I know you well enough to know that you know me well enough that you'd have a read on me if you were town. You can claim you're busy, and I believe that you're busy, but regardless of your business, you're just a wolf. Sorry about your rand.

:o lol

elaborate please. What do you think about my post?

I feel like you saw me call your previous posts aggressive and in your mind you thought, "porscha hasn't SEEN aggressive yet" and then proceeded to type out that neck choking post

How do you feel about Alison? I'd like a clear read along with details if possible.

why must you ask so much of me

I'd appreciate your answer. I very strongly think Alison is an outed wolf. You earlier seemed to think so too. Why? Is that so weird a question?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:51 am @Porscha I'm curious if you're willing to commit to voting one of me or Alison.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:10 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:51 am @Porscha I'm curious if you're willing to commit to voting one of me or Alison.

sure since I can just change my vote whenever. lol

Then if you say "sure", please vote one of me or Alison. Right now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:12 pm If we elim anyone other than Alison today, I swear to [redacted] god that I will... be mildly irked but ultimately be totally fine because this is a game among friends. But I don't want to be mildly irked.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:32 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:30 pm I ain't even a wolf so this is a plus.

What a wolf says

but can a wolf ever say they're town with confidence?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:22 pm What do you make of my suspicion towards you, Creature?

I thought your case seemed logical more like the one you made against me on GoC instead of the case you made on that mountainous you and Mac were wolves.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:55 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:22 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:55 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

*misremembers*

*gets voted*

That's not why I voted you. I voted you because all your posts have done nothing while attempting to sound like they are doing something.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:30 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:29 pm alison there's no way you see so many worthless day 1 posts from others and think that mine are worth voting me over. doesn't make sense

Which other users have an ISO comprised entirely of worthless posts?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:38 pm Creature has had some posts I like. I townread Nanook's vote hopping. Fair point about Mizery.

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

What made you reluctant to hop on board, actually? You said yourself that you can change it any time and you thought there was a wolf between us.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:42 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:38 pm Creature has had some posts I like. I townread Nanook's vote hopping. Fair point about Mizery.

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

What made you reluctant to hop on board, actually? You said yourself that you can change it any time and you thought there was a wolf between us.

b/c I'm not confident in sean's mega heavy push. he keeps saying you're outed but I don't get how.

What's your read on Seanzie, then?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:38 pm Creature has had some posts I like. I townread Nanook's vote hopping. Fair point about Mizery.

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

What made you reluctant to hop on board, actually? You said yourself that you can change it any time and you thought there was a wolf between us.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 12:44 pm My poe is porscha and falcon

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:03 am Porscha's response to Alison's push had more indignation than I would have liked, but maybe that's normal for Porcsha idk.

My main concern is the post where Alison asked him for other names to look at, and he gave her this.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:30 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:29 pm alison there's no way you see so many worthless day 1 posts from others and think that mine are worth voting me over. doesn't make sense

Which other users have an ISO comprised entirely of worthless posts?

seriously? creature? nanook? mizery?

And after Alison asked him to vote, he voted Alison rather than exploring a name on this list of players with "worthless posts".

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:06 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:07 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am I'd kill one of sean or ali

idrc, but I'd bet a lot on one being mafia

Atp, I'd also bet on this.

thirding

I don't necessarily diagree with your thirding, but can you please explain exactly why you'rw thirding?

50/50 coinflip its that or 2 town incorrectly at each other

???

i'm really a statistics genius

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:28 am They're doing lazy Nanook things, but not the sort they do as scum.

I agree with that.

How about srceenplay?

This post is why I think Marmot is a good chop today btw.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 11:45 am Just got back from the airport and am unpacking.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine for self pres since it seems like there isn't much time remaining and I doubt I can fully catch up in that time.

Legacy is to get more out of Wilgy/Mizery/DOO D2, policy Seanzie and do not relent on it if I end up flipping, and to hold people accountable if they sit on vanity wagons at EOD since I wasn't a fan of the 1/1/1/1 stale thread state.

Toodles.

I think this should spew Porscha town? I don't really think Alison busses here.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 6:02 pm Would Alison try to paint me as TMIing her buddy (NANOOK) town?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 12:59 pm If Alison is a hit, this game is probably an easy win due to how many people it probably clears.

I don't really think it's a hit though

Maybe Marmot looks mildly good from this considering Alison was always going down atp.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 11:45 am Just got back from the airport and am unpacking.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine for self pres since it seems like there isn't much time remaining and I doubt I can fully catch up in that time.

Legacy is to get more out of Wilgy/Mizery/DOO D2, policy Seanzie and do not relent on it if I end up flipping, and to hold people accountable if they sit on vanity wagons at EOD since I wasn't a fan of the 1/1/1/1 stale thread state.

Toodles.

I think this should spew Porscha town? I don't really think Alison busses here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 7:07 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 6:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:28 am They're doing lazy Nanook things, but not the sort they do as scum.

I agree with that.

How about srceenplay?

This post is why I think Marmot is a good chop today btw.

Is there context I'm missing from this? Otherwise I dont hey why it means anything for marmot

It felt less like Marmot was suspecting me or trying to work with me, and more like Marmot was trying to see whom else I could be tempted to vote. He asked me about Nanook, and his response felt like he was upset I didn't want to push there, and just kind of meh-ly agreed with me without real reason or asking for clarification.

Since the conversation started with Marmot lightly shading me for focusing on only Alison, and then I pushed him about how I wasn't doing anything at all (I was telling him I wasn't doing anything), he does he just timidly agree on something vague I said about Nook without follow-up or pressure? If he'd accept an answer as meh as mine with regard to Nook, and agree that Nook was town, why did he ask?

Also it's seeing-eye ceackhead shit.