The Syndicate

Thanks for the game @DrWilgy
Gg every one

I put out some talking points but they were not worth talking about I guess

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:42 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:48 pm I saw someone ask about breath status; I still have my original. No one gave me one, and I haven't given mine away. Imma 1.
This is what I said; I never said I had none.

I know thats what you said but not what they said.

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:56 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:28 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:04 pm well the remaining scum would still have 1 and have no reason to fakeclaim so scrath that

w/e i'm going to b outing things anyway
Isnt there 2 mafia left?
my point is i thought svs was town for immediately claiming she had no breaths then doubted myself on that

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:13 pm so i'm going to drop this now because i think it's more productive to solving than not and no one has engaged me on it. i'm sure the PR probably won't be happy but this setup is one where we probably don't have much margin for error and we lost that with pyxxy

the following people did not have breaths on night 2:

scotty
neon
seanzie
srceenplay

srceen i assume sent his off since it was possible he might die.

the question i have to ask is

why didn't sig send his breath to anyone when there was a legitimate chance he might get voted out? that doesn't strike me as making sense from a town player

ALSO worth considering is the fact that the 3rd party CANNOT give their breaths away which leaves a very narrow group of people who could possibly be it

i'm out for the night, see yall tomorrow

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:56 pm town:
lucy
neon

lean town:
svs

probly 3p:
doom

poe:
creature
seanzie
srceen
sig

i think seanize and srceen aren't scum/scum based on yesterday. if sig is scum creature is probably fine, if he isn't i would put more scrutiny on creature. maybe it's dumb but the fact scotty died saying creature looked bad does weigh on me

(we also probably can't kill all of them given the poison)

Couple of questions here.
You thought SVS was towny for admiting they had no breaths when you got a check saying they still had breaths?

POE is the people who still has breaths but you have Lucy on top of your town pile?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:45 am
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:50 am so, lucy sig omega
You should address Gira's question about why you didn't give your breath away.

Go reread Gira

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

so, lucy sig omega

Am I missing something?

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:39 pm would be kind of shocked if wagons were t/t given overall competitiveness - yes i know there's only 1 mafia but doesn't feel accidental

if someone else in this game could let me know what they think - do i just out the people without breaths right now?

unless janitor makes kill look like town and we had a hit yesterday?

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:04 pm well the remaining scum would still have 1 and have no reason to fakeclaim so scrath that

w/e i'm going to b outing things anyway

Isnt there 2 mafia left?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:25 pm I’m going out on a limb and saying Pyxxy/Neon are the last two mafia members.

pyxxy/Sean

nobody likes ties

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:15 pm [VOTE: Srceenplay] aubergine

seen that coming.
Do you want to explain?

scot neon and sig, you are still voting me?

Thats why there should be a rule where you have to vote in thread to show accoutabilty

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:07 pm So like besides DOOM saying she’s cleared what has she done to make herself cleared?

If we’re saying voting Falcon that makes no sense and she didn’t push him either.

They are not cleared in my eyes.
and odd that they are now vooting with pyxxy

Like why else would they be talking about it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:04 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:58 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:43 pm ok, how can I buy some votes off me?
Why is pyxxy bad?

You’ve been around and are obviously against your own chop, but all I’ve seen from you for why pyxxy is bad is because he is bad
I play but gut and feels. Not good at describing them. Thats why I try to be open and honest.

Them leaving my wagon when they are the cross wagon seems odd. Maybe they are trying to get towny points.
They have been softning 3p that I thought was odd. My thought was they were using it as a gambit to not get lynched later?
Just now they called you 3p and seemed to try to buddy you. Thats some killer motives there.
I didn’t get the impression they are actually softing 3p, and even if so that doesn’t mean they’re mafia trying to make a platform on that

See i suck at explaining things.
Its like planting seeds around the thread and later if needed ytou can go back to them.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:58 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:43 pm ok, how can I buy some votes off me?
Why is pyxxy bad?

You’ve been around and are obviously against your own chop, but all I’ve seen from you for why pyxxy is bad is because he is bad

I play but gut and feels. Not good at describing them. Thats why I try to be open and honest.

Them leaving my wagon when they are the cross wagon seems odd. Maybe they are trying to get towny points.
They have been softning 3p that I thought was odd. My thought was they were using it as a gambit to not get lynched later?
Just now they called you 3p and seemed to try to buddy you. Thats some killer motives there.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:57 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:51 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:50 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:37 pm I’m not usually a policy vote type player but if we don’t have a vig who will shoot Doom and if she won’t play we do have to resolve that sooner rather than later.
There is a man with a smarmy sword that can help us out, I’m sure
When someone switches from A major wagon to a counter wagon reasons should be given. It’s that simple
eh. I almost feel like town do this more often than not

you try and show me how towny it is.

talk to me sig.
How can I make you feel better about me?

ok, how can I buy some votes off me?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:05 pm I’m slightly annoyed no one has asked me what I’d do with 500 breaths

Well we know you wouldnt win. lol
but sure what would you do?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:09 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

not really sure srceen is it based on recent posts
I don't feel good about Srceen's push on me. Felt like they decided on the conclusion, then only after being pushed about it, went and found some level 0 things to back it up.

nope level 0 things came first

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:32 am I veto falcon and please explain how you can have even any level of townread on him here bc what.

sig and screen seem fine.
I don't see how you can have a scumread on him.

I have no read on Falcon, but I will eventually, so they're more of a choice to hedge bets -if we're going to give power to one person, it'd be good to give it to someone that always posts their rolecard in the thread by D2.
hum

hmm indeed

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:44 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:38 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:37 pm pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p
I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.
A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town
Is it?

How do we know that
Like I theorized in D1, I have reason to believe the 3p isn’t anti town. It’s just that it’s probably not, for all intents and purposes, pro-town; otherwise it would be town
Granted with Falcon flipped they can now poison mafia, but it’s easier to just poison anyone. We don’t know their win con but id not be shocked if they were a SK.

The role itself just doesn’t seem pro town
Pretty cheap SK if, based on what we can see, it can only poison once a game

Almost seems like a one shot vig to me

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:49 pm Okay so let’s see

I don’t think I ever saw the case on screenplay?

I think creature made one

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:21 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:18 pm srceenplay is [...] someone I can see [...] as classic mislynch bait.

A lot of what he's doing feels like it's just his playstyle. It's pretty not useful and feels like we can't ever properly read him because it's extremely easy to fake that as wolf. Therefore, if he is left alive to lategame, there will be nothing particularly towny from him. In lategame, it is important for the town members to have done at least something readable to help POEing wolves out and if srceenplay has done none of it town will have to blindshot read him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:47 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:36 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:25 am
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:20 am I see I’m top vote. Let me make a sandwich and I’ll sit down and look at this.
same question to you:
What would you do if you had 500 breaths?
win
Short and simple.

But also, that’s probably a lie. Having that many breaths only protects for a time- it doesn’t mean you win

I don't lie. To hard to keep track of them.

might be back before eod might not

Also sean and scott back and forth D1 made mee think SvT and I thought scot was the scum. Evidently I was wrong. Today first thing going after neon just felt like noise and not substance that they cared about.
Sean keeps thowing doubt arouund and that reminds of something that scum wants to do.

I started to read your iso but dont have time. I have errands I need to run around and do. One quick thing I saw.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:46 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:20 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:31 amNeon/Nutella?
Nutella has not made an impression on me either way, she’s been mostly NAI. I was leaning town on Neon.

What are you seeing that I’m not?
Wolves.

Early game already had a narraitive you wanted to push.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:34 am I vote

Sig
Screenplay
Falcon

for people to give breaths to.

The big mafia boss is someone you thought we should give breaths to.

still want to vote sean as well.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I read svs and dont see a reason for them to be on my list. They are probably good.

Ok, now what?

Sean svs pyxxy are people I would vote for. Can i give you amazing explanation, no

It was said falcon didn't vote his counter wagon. If he was suiciding and the counter might be wolf is something worth thinking about.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:00 pm Falcon voting off wagon even when he was a wagon is a wee bit scummy

So is his wagon dissolving so quickly
I am pretty sure this is not why I ended giving up voting sig yesterday but looking at it now maybe this post is good?

so who did falcon not vote?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:25 am
srceenplay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:20 am I see I’m top vote. Let me make a sandwich and I’ll sit down and look at this.
same question to you:
What would you do if you had 500 breaths?

win

I see I’m top vote. Let me make a sandwich and I’ll sit down and look at this.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:25 pm Anyway, more on topic:

Scotty
4
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie, lucy

These were the only off voters from falcon.

I agree with whoever mentioned this a few pages ago that there is most likely a wolf here.

But I don’t think there are more than 1. That would be too naked

IDK falcon should be an import role. Unless falcon asked to to bus or a person voting late on falcon, thats me so its not worth looking into.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:20 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:38 pm

How do you feel about Pyxxy putting you as lock-town then?
I tend to think people do that to buddy up to people. I tend to put less stock in town reading than alot of the newer players, though. Like I saw recently someone say, "Well X is townlock becasue Y said they had this info, and Z said they had this other info". And afaik, no one is townlock unless it's info from a host post, since players can and do lie. So
This is...I just don't understand lol
Why not? I think I was clear.

Someone says they have info, and people just believe them. No one should be lock town unless you personally have info. I think saying someone is locktown based on anything other than info one personally got themselves from the host is way overdone.

I think Pyxxy calling me locktown is ridiculous. But in GOC baddie Marmot was locktowned by a townie for equally invalid reasons.

Everyone throws this word around like it means something, but it doesn’t.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:39 pm I do think her vote clears Doom, though.

Their personal info is they think the vote clears. No?
No? If I vote for you, is that personal info?

I was pointing out a bit of a hypocrisy. ‘Locktown’ does not equal ‘clear’, but it’s pretty close and I think it invalidates SVS’ argument

It's going over my head. I'm not getting it. The only way to get a confirm is with a flip, I get that, but each person needs to use info of their own thoughts or others to "clear" people.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:38 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:30 pm

Here it is. Explain SVS lock-town plz.
I'm not locktown. I voted about 4:30 when I left work because I wasn't sure if I'd be home before EOD. I don't think I'm locked in just because I voted for Falcon, although I think it's a good look
How do you feel about Pyxxy putting you as lock-town then?
I tend to think people do that to buddy up to people. I tend to put less stock in town reading than alot of the newer players, though. Like I saw recently someone say, "Well X is townlock becasue Y said they had this info, and Z said they had this other info". And afaik, no one is townlock unless it's info from a host post, since players can and do lie. So
This is...I just don't understand lol
Why not? I think I was clear.

Someone says they have info, and people just believe them. No one should be lock town unless you personally have info. I think saying someone is locktown based on anything other than info one personally got themselves from the host is way overdone.

I think Pyxxy calling me locktown is ridiculous. But in GOC baddie Marmot was locktowned by a townie for equally invalid reasons.

Everyone throws this word around like it means something, but it doesn’t.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:39 pm I do think her vote clears Doom, though.

Their personal info is they think the vote clears. No?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:47 pm Screenplay, what do you think about Neon?

From just today, it felt like you were trying bait them into an argument and they didn't bite.

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

Speaking of doubt. that is all you are trying to do so far this day and if I remember right yesterday as well.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:31 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:23 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:25 pm Falcon wasn’t even my first choice today as I’ve stated. But he isn’t doing himself any favors
Sounds like TMI like you know their flip but dont want blamed
Sounds like TMI like you know their flip and want to tie Scotty to them.
How is coming to that conclusion possible?
If you were wolf, would you not want to make Scotty look like they're Falcon's partner?

Yes as wolf you would want to create doubt.

The only doubt there was me and my thinking. That was if falcon flips town Scot was setting up an excuse.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:27 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:24 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:49 pm Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie, lucy

Someone among these four are mafia
maybe 2?
Tell me more.

Almost caught up and going to vote you before I dip

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:23 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:25 pm Falcon wasn’t even my first choice today as I’ve stated. But he isn’t doing himself any favors
Sounds like TMI like you know their flip but dont want blamed
Sounds like TMI like you know their flip and want to tie Scotty to them.

How is coming to that conclusion possible?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:49 pm Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie, lucy

Someone among these four are mafia

maybe 2?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:28 pm The biggest tragedy will be if falcon is town and he didn’t give his breath away
is it really that big of a deal tbh
It’s all town has. So yes

blah

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