The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:06 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:03 pm reasons anne is town:
-has a similar POE to me/doesn't have a ton of overly performative comments
-lacks usual maf aggressiveness

reasons anne is maf:
-demanding jay to townread her at start felt bad
-didn't do her secret towntell i have for her (i don't think, double checking)
-attitude stuff was offputting in its timing

eh, probably 50/50 on my end for her.

I actually thought she did have a ton of performative comments. Looking through her iso, she spent like 10-20 posts in a row talking about how townie she was.

aight i'm looking at it now because that feels like better use of my time than trying to catch up lol

@anne can you talk to me about why you expected to be in JJJ's initial townreads. what about your opening exactly was "out of your scum range?" a lot of why that pinged me if we've have a conversation before about how similar your ranges can be at times and not a lot of things are our of our scum ranges and that your main towntell if just post-timing so i'm confused by that.

reasons anne is town:
-has a similar POE to me/doesn't have a ton of overly performative comments
-lacks usual maf aggressiveness

reasons anne is maf:
-demanding jay to townread her at start felt bad
-didn't do her secret towntell i have for her (i don't think, double checking)
-attitude stuff was offputting in its timing

eh, probably 50/50 on my end for her.

i'm confused by nothing Wilgy is saying making any sense because he made perfect sense in our last game

ehh, yeah. i won't cry if DrWilgy goes

can someone post the DrWilgy iso for me please ahhh

JJJ. who do you scumread tbh?

ok can anyone catch me up as i try to back read

OH NICE

why is Nook posting, did cap lift already?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:48 pm Is naa readable as "if he doesn't make me want to tear my hair out he's mafia" lol

my exact wonder earlier lmao

95/100

hey

i've been with family today but i told them that i'd be busy 7-8 so i could play this

how did an anne wagon happen? reading up now

#1220 god that's so fucking dumb but I will /vote NAA to read that up for myself and hear falcon, won't post more til tomorrow

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:23 am

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:12 am If anyone knew how much I cried on my last wolf rand they'd have me as lock town

Tbh that's why I'm mildly surprised I'm not one of Anne's top townreads but I also get it I guess lmao

You’re probably my top town but it has nothing to do with this post or the crying stuff cos I think you would be able to cover that up regardless if you wanted to.

In theory yes if I had the motivation to but I think Anne should know I wouldn't have the motivation to on a random syndicate game when I already have been hating every scum rand lately

Oh I read the Mac falcon stuff but I Assumed that wasn't serious since it was so dumb

Hang on how did Mac use his role one sec what even is his role also I hope this isn't over 100 posts

If anyone knew how much I cried on my last wolf rand they'd have me as lock town

Tbh that's why I'm mildly surprised I'm not one of Anne's top townreads but I also get it I guess lmao

I feel like the last poe I posted was still good

urge* to
anyway gn

god whenever people claim their roles it gives me an intense role to claim mine even though i know i shouldn't

or both tbh

honestly does mac have a role where he has to keep talking about farts for no reason or is he just mafia

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:44 pm Tbh, I don't really think Ilario is towny in this convo, but I also don't have much experience with them. And claim/thread/I don't even know what dictates that they're probably town. So me thinking meh to his posts is just me thinking meh. So meh. I know this post is meaningless.

after you fool illario as wolf he's much more likely to tinfoil you hard the next game, i think his approach to his read on you is villagery. for him

V I B E S

Town
ilario/leetic
iaafr
Lime Coke
SPF
nutella

Townlean
Marmot
anne
Dyslexicon
MR
NOOK

IDK Yet
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
JJJ
Sloonei

Scummy
NAA
Mac

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:20 pm alexa, can you talk w/me a little bit about your read on anne?

yeah sure. i initially didn't understand why she was getting townread (especially by illario but also nutella which is why i outed the kind of non-sensical 3/3 in irritation) because she was playing exactly in her scum meta, like her demanding JJJ to townread her pinged me so hard as her powerwolf meta. but since then i've felt like her posting has improved, like i at least feel like i've agreed with her reads and she's not going the obvious wolfy aggressive stuff she can do as wolf - which, anne is very smart and capable of changing her meta to specifically fool me, but i am leaning on her lacking the wolfy agenda posts. i'm not really sure how to feel about her attitude toward the game, it's slightly offputting considering we don't really know if the game is going "badly" but i think i have a slight town lean there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:21 pm @cassandra why are you voting me exactly?

i read your catch-up from my phone when i woke up and your posting just did nothing for me, i cbf to go back without ISOs available but it didn't really feel like you have a fuck about solving the game and were just posting nonsense that made me feel like you were struggling to generate actual content and just wanted to be lazy.

cassandra stands for idk why people find fart humor funny

also #966, LC's take on Dizzy is probably towny for him

i for one can't read dizzy at all because i specced one of their scum games and had them as a lock town, but i have a light townread on them here as they kinda lack the "performative vigor" from that game i think

i've been enjoying this game too tbh. i got emotional over something last night but that was just because of some mental health stuff irl and i'm proud i managed to keep it out of the thread. but yeah, i feel bad anne isn't :/

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:55 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:50 pmcassandra is alexa

Since when do I have a good read on Alexa. I've played with her like once. But ok.

Also, hi, Alexa! Nice to see you

i constitute "having a good read on me" as reading me correctly as scum one time then not mis-pushing me as town because, as anne said, most people really can't read me tbh. i think you did in spec chat too when i vanity searched one game

actually i have a strong townread on SPF based on #928

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:50 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:48 pm [VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine


Tell me no one else is thinking this in the back of their mind

I think we all are.
Even I was tempted to recheck my role, no joke

i townread dizzy mainly for this post and for the NAA mafia soulread (regardless of accuracy)

i townread that post at first because i thought it said "redcheck" and they were referring to having a scummy PR and i didn't say anything because i was wondering if illario would notice that too and we'd mindmeld, but then i realized it said recheck and that felt less AI. maybe slightly town indicative for me but more of a gut thing than something i wanted to explain lol

every time i want to call LC lock town i just feel uncomfortable about it and i feel like i shouldn't be because he's usually an easy read for me with only 2 exceptions.

iaafr/leetic/illario all town with nutella/marmot/maybe spf a tier right below.

anne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:32 pm haven't you said before that ilario doesn't have a good read on you and has been tunneling you a lot lately? iaafr idk cause spec chat is diff from real games but sure ill agree there

he tunnels me for sounding fake and performative on alts because i'm specifically typing in a way to disguise myself, but when i'm playing as myself he generally can read me well

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:15 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:10 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:02 pm i feel like SPF wouldn't push on nutella off the bat as scum/town because she'd be aware nutella isn't MLable. though as i say that i remember that she did the "push to pocket" approach to me before so i'm a bit more shrug about it but i still kinda gut townread that. also i liked her saying something pinged her from me but she ignored it

fwiw i have a habit of making pushes on unchoppable players when im a wolf because it usually makes people townread me (ie: me pushing on you in MCM, me pushing on amrock in the 16/8er), so i dont really think this is a solid reason to townread me

the best reason why im town is because my posts are boring. they work for me, and i find them fun to make, but they're usually written to aid my solving above all else, whereas my posts as a wolf are written with the intention to make other people react to them

Call me crazy, but you haven't done the scumtell that I'm accustomed to seeing from you, but I need a sanity check on that.

is it the "language pattern" thing you pointed out in the congress of vienna game?

For any other confused parties, as scum, SPF kept using phrases like "call me crazy but" or "... if no one else feels this way, I might just be nuts" coupled with reads/statements, which I called her out on.

i've seen SPF say that so many times, maybe even every single game we've ever played together, so i'm pretty sure it's not a tell specific to her scum play

anne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:22 pm i don't think anyone in this game has a good read on cassandra

iaafr has a good spec chat read on me, ilario has a good read on me, i think you have a decent read on me in late game so i usually kill you before end game as wolf, you just struggle D1. NOOK has a pretty good read on me. outside of that eh.

dyslexicon may have a good read on me or may just call me scum regardless of my alignment, pending this game if they're town, but they've read me correctly as scum in the past multiple times

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:22 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:13 pm though, Marmot's jump on me was like exactly one of the stupid NAI things i'd use to jump on someone as scum if i was playing a lazy scum game, the only reason i townread it aside from the note i made was the absolute lack of progression from having me as "an easy read, strongest TR" to voting me over TMI for something so obviously not TMI that scum probably wouldn't think to make up something so bizarre.

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:34 pm I'm squinting at both JJJ and Mac.

can you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him more

Marmot's description was decent, yeah. i dunno. he's not playing in the way i'd expect him to as town, but my track record of reading people based on that premise is pretty low. i just don't see him really putting the same energy into developing reads/creating a consensus and such as usual. his explanation about it being about the game VS. player base is reasonable, and he's probably more in null territory for me aorn. i'd love to have our first V/V game together and i'd be sad if it was spent by me being suspicious of him the whole game so i kind of just want to see how he plays out?

Are you talking about me here, or JJJ?

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:13 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:06 pm Leetic/ilario would presumably die at the same time right? Like one of them couldn't be yeeted while the other lives, nor could one be nightkilled while the other lives?

They're a hydra that can post and vote separately. They are the same slot. They are not masons who occupy separate slots. That's how I'm viewing the leetic/ilario thing.


I just don't think it's a good idea to automatically take that as a town role. I think the selection of the wording "They are confirmed town to each other" is incorrect, because while they are probably the same alignment, they are not inherently town.

I get that it would be weird for scum to have a scum chat, and then have a separate chat for the two players that have the same slot. But that take is dangerous, because it's making the read that the mod essentially cleared the slot town on setup. That's what I mean by the mod-confirmed town statement.

saying they're confirmed the same alignment to each other or they're confirmed town to each other is literally the same exact thing fmpov, because obviously mafia is going to claim to be town. like it's literally just linguistics. and "they're mod confirmed town" =/= "confirmed town to each other." i like to look at it this way (confirmed town to each other rather than confirmed the same alignment to each other) because it means if i feel confident that one is town then i can feel confident the other is and it helps me with my POE, but i'm not saying they shouldn't be scrutinized - just that they shouldn't be scrutinized on an individual basis.

my town read on ilario is completely outside of the claim.

My concern is with the fact that you called them town, not that they would visibly explain that they are both town.

But yes, it was probably an overreaction on my part.

JJJ

i called them confirmed town to each other because they claimed it and that's what a mason is and i still wouldn't phrase that any differently lmao
this discussion feels like pointless going in circles because i think it has to do with the way we're processing information tbh.

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the best thing i've gotten out of this whole thing is that i townread Marmot now.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:10 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:02 pm i feel like SPF wouldn't push on nutella off the bat as scum/town because she'd be aware nutella isn't MLable. though as i say that i remember that she did the "push to pocket" approach to me before so i'm a bit more shrug about it but i still kinda gut townread that. also i liked her saying something pinged her from me but she ignored it

fwiw i have a habit of making pushes on unchoppable players when im a wolf because it usually makes people townread me (ie: me pushing on you in MCM, me pushing on amrock in the 16/8er), so i dont really think this is a solid reason to townread me

the best reason why im town is because my posts are boring. they work for me, and i find them fun to make, but they're usually written to aid my solving above all else, whereas my posts as a wolf are written with the intention to make other people react to them

yeah i sorta realized that while typing it out, it was something i had mentally used to call you town then realized that specific take may not hold to scrutiny

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:13 pm cassandra is always going to be one of those slots that im perpetually paranoid about, but i think her posting in the last few pages is very towny

fwiw i'm like 90% sure i could make you townread me regardless of my alignment and you weren't one of the people i was referring to when said some people in this game have good reads on me so that's reasonable at least lmao

ok, here's a specific example on JJJ i'm thinking. i didn't really get the point of him questioning me on my lime coke read basis or what he was trying to gain from that. i thought it had to do with his read on me then when i showed up he made it sound like it was about his read on lime coke.. it was just confusing/unclear to me? i'm having a hard time following his approach to solving this game.

though, Marmot's jump on me was like exactly one of the stupid NAI things i'd use to jump on someone as scum if i was playing a lazy scum game, the only reason i townread it aside from the note i made was the absolute lack of progression from having me as "an easy read, strongest TR" to voting me over TMI for something so obviously not TMI that scum probably wouldn't think to make up something so bizarre.

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:34 pm I'm squinting at both JJJ and Mac.

can you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him more

Marmot's description was decent, yeah. i dunno. he's not playing in the way i'd expect him to as town, but my track record of reading people based on that premise is pretty low. i just don't see him really putting the same energy into developing reads/creating a consensus and such as usual. his explanation about it being about the game VS. player base is reasonable, and he's probably more in null territory for me aorn. i'd love to have our first V/V game together and i'd be sad if it was spent by me being suspicious of him the whole game so i kind of just want to see how he plays out?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:06 pm Leetic/ilario would presumably die at the same time right? Like one of them couldn't be yeeted while the other lives, nor could one be nightkilled while the other lives?

They're a hydra that can post and vote separately. They are the same slot. They are not masons who occupy separate slots. That's how I'm viewing the leetic/ilario thing.


I just don't think it's a good idea to automatically take that as a town role. I think the selection of the wording "They are confirmed town to each other" is incorrect, because while they are probably the same alignment, they are not inherently town.

I get that it would be weird for scum to have a scum chat, and then have a separate chat for the two players that have the same slot. But that take is dangerous, because it's making the read that the mod essentially cleared the slot town on setup. That's what I mean by the mod-confirmed town statement.

saying they're confirmed the same alignment to each other or they're confirmed town to each other is literally the same exact thing fmpov, because obviously mafia is going to claim to be town. like it's literally just linguistics. and "they're mod confirmed town" =/= "confirmed town to each other." i like to look at it this way (confirmed town to each other rather than confirmed the same alignment to each other) because it means if i feel confident that one is town then i can feel confident the other is and it helps me with my POE, but i'm not saying they shouldn't be scrutinized - just that they shouldn't be scrutinized on an individual basis.

my town read on ilario is completely outside of the claim.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:54 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 pm


Why's that?

because i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.

your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac

i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.

Did they describe it in some other capacity?

My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?

I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.

they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each other
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim

Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?

Is this TMI?

[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine

lmao what
that's literally what a mason is and they've claimed to be confirmed town to each other. so either they're not lying and town or they made the claim as mafia, and i explained why i didn't think they'd do that as mafia in that same post

It's not really a claim they can avoid. They're listed in the same slot in the poll and they (presumably) share a post count. People are going to ask, and we could probably infer all of that without a claim anyway.

I get if you TR them for other reasons, I just don't think taking them as mod-confirmed town is a good way to go about it in this game.

you should actually read the things i'm typing probably
i never said they were mod-confirmed town, i said they were confirmed town to each other based on what they literally claimed in the thread. i then talked about how i townread ilario outside of that and why i didn't think they'd do this as scum, so IDK if you're willfully ignoring parts of my posts or wtf. though tbh that was so bad from calling me an easy read to voting me for something like that it borders on villagery, also i wrote a note on a doc (tbh i think i'm an easy townread for mafia at this point so i'm more suspicious of people calling me lock town (like Marmot?) who shouldn't be able to read me that confidently than people calling me scum, if anyone had pushed on me they'd be lock towned but that period has passed. actually wait i'll save this on a doc instead so the period doesn't pass) that i don't think wolves would scumread me and you were the first person to vote me not counting nutella so congrats you can be town now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:33 pm illario and leertic are my top townreads probably at this point (have not read most recent pages but caught up earlier) with iaafr right below

Why's that?

because i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.

your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac

i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.

Did they describe it in some other capacity?

My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?

I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.

they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each other
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim

Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?

Is this TMI?

[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine

lmao what
that's literally what a mason is and they've claimed to be confirmed town to each other. so either they're not lying and town or they made the claim as mafia, and i explained why i didn't think they'd do that as mafia in that same post

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:33 pm illario and leertic are my top townreads probably at this point (have not read most recent pages but caught up earlier) with iaafr right below

Why's that?

because i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.

your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac

i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.

Did they describe it in some other capacity?

My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?

I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.

they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each other
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 am the fact that illario was not immediately suspicious of the fact that he is one of my strongest townreads is probably the scummiest thing about him so far, but i refuse to expect our meta dynamic to play out in the exact same way every game. i'm going to #BreakTheCycle

Believe me, I was. But I held back because I wanted to conserve posts and because I was suspicious of your early tr on me in the last two turbos we played, so I ignored it and figured maybe your confidence in getting me right so early in those games carried over to how you’re reading me here.


Also to make sure this isn’t a total waste of a post I’m gonna post something now that I didn’t intend to plan on posting so early for thread health reasons but I may as well make this post count.

If town can’t find a elim we all agree on today we don’t shrugyeet a low poster, we yeet NAA. If there’s a vig in this setup and you’re unsure who to shoot, you shoot NAA. To explain why, I played one game with him and in that game:

-he antagonized the entire lobby
-shut down the town leaders due to his own personal reasons that weren’t game related
-forced a poe on everyone to follow that had 90% town in it
- refuses to explain a single read in his horrible poe
- scumread people for trying to question that terrible poe
- tried to speed up days by getting town speedyeeted for no reason
- after he finished doing all that he cemented his game throwing ways by self voting in lylo and letting mafia blitz him.

I thought maybe he was just having a bad time outside of the game and maybe that translated into his play that game and that was a one off for him bad game for him But I get a sinking feeling that’s not the case. Essentially what I’m saying is idc about his alignment, it’s always +ev to get rid of him if he refuses to work with the lobby before he gets a chance to hold the thread hostage like he did last time and I STRONGLY encourage any vig to shoot him because of it.

this post solidified my townread on illario (therefore i get to feel comfortable about leetic), because i just barely got him to join this game because he didn't want to play with NAA and the whole sentiment was just extremely villagery from him

i don't regret pressuring him because i thought his early read on anne was weird and i do think we tend to have a ton of mindmelds as V/V, but anne (?) also had a point that ilario can townread people a lot quicker/more easily than me and be more open about it in early game, and in general since then his posting/his claim/pretty much his entire approaches to his reads (even him saying dizzy always rolls scum against him and has again) just make him my most confident villager read

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:22 am Part of our role is that we're confirmed town to each other (like masons). If me and ilario are of different alignments, then the game is bastard and the rules explicitly state that this isn't a bastard game.

@ilario - can you confirm that this is true?

i'm p sure it is considering ilario mentioned talking in a chat and they share a vote (their slot is ilario/leetic in the poll) fwiw

also @ilario what was it that leetic said that may make Nook scum?

but you've also in general had a lot of micro moments i find towny that'd be a lot easier to find if i could pull ISO
from memory you had a post about like, "i'm totally going to do thaat next time i'm scum" and just the general way you've been approaching reads

i guess this game will tell me for sure if you're polarized or not though because my only witness of you as scum was that turbo and you were obvious AF here, i'm sure you'd have a stronger scum game here but still feel like town rabbit to me

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:20 pm Cassandra may I ask what you think the best reasons to townread me are

the post you had about all your townreads possibly being scum then entertaining the idea of a team that i read in my catch-up solidified my townread on you

so basically marmot calling me an easy read in #753 feels weird to me, i think i'm a pretty difficult read unless you're like some specific people, some of which are in this game but he's definitely not one of them

i can't tell if marmot's townread on me is pockety because we legit only played 1 game and i was 3P (which like i was mostly playing as town but also i was just townreading people i liked lol)

mmm ok i'm just gonna let JJJ be for now.

townread:
illario/leetic
iaafr

nutella
LC

had various town pings:
Nook
MR
anne
SPF

POE/yet to develop a read:
DrWilgy
Marmot (his posting seems Okay but i have no idea of his scum play)
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
falcon
JJJ

kinda scummy:
Mac
NAA

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:01 pm Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

i feel like SPF wouldn't push on nutella off the bat as scum/town because she'd be aware nutella isn't MLable. though as i say that i remember that she did the "push to pocket" approach to me before so i'm a bit more shrug about it but i still kinda gut townread that. also i liked her saying something pinged her from me but she ignored it

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:57 pm sorting playerlist into two simple tiers (alphabetical within)

i have at least some degree of town impressions:
anne
cassandra
iaafr
ilario/leetic
jaggedjimmyjay
lime coke
master radishes
nanook

i don't feel any reason to townread:
drwilgy
dyslexicon
falcon
macdougall
marmot
notanaxehole
sloonei
staypositivefriend

the most out-of-place names on each list feel like master radishes and spf, in that they can almost go in either

i'm curious if my take on marmot is controversial since he has actually produced a reasonable amount of content, it's just that the content and its depth doesn't ring genuine to me. maybe i'm crazy but that rodent smells funky

actually i think i agree with all this. anne/SPF are both kinda at "not ready to sort" levels for me though maybe.

oh i also don't agree with JJJ
i'd swap SPF and JJJ mayb

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:57 pm sorting playerlist into two simple tiers (alphabetical within)

i have at least some degree of town impressions:
anne
cassandra
iaafr
ilario/leetic
jaggedjimmyjay
lime coke
master radishes
nanook

i don't feel any reason to townread:
drwilgy
dyslexicon
falcon
macdougall
marmot
notanaxehole
sloonei
staypositivefriend

the most out-of-place names on each list feel like master radishes and spf, in that they can almost go in either

i'm curious if my take on marmot is controversial since he has actually produced a reasonable amount of content, it's just that the content and its depth doesn't ring genuine to me. maybe i'm crazy but that rodent smells funky

actually i think i agree with all this. anne/SPF are both kinda at "not ready to sort" levels for me though maybe.

anne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:55 pm can someone give me a scumread. as in write a scumread for me that i can use and vote on.

Mac's posts did nothing to me and felt like he was struggling to generate content

JJJ feels distinctly off - his posting isn't bad but lacks the town leadershipness. i think he's either mafia or some PR trying to survive

NAA feels less towny than last game though admittedly my eyes glazed over when i read a lot of their posts

there u go

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also i just remembered MR's entrance felt kinda towny.