The Syndicate

Too bad alexa couldn't play, an evil BUNNY game would have been perfect for her

So... Now what

What a mess

Imagine voting ilario this game instead of literally any other player

Idk what’s going on with the Scotty stuff. Could Scotty be 3P?

I can’t read rn because my glasses are completely broken. I’m getting them repaired rn but I’m out of contacts so I’ll be out of commission for the rest of the day

@Ilario if LC is mafia then Nook is the partner in your theory, not Mac. I’ll explain later but I think Mac is town

I do reckon there was probably a busser on Wisdom just based off of how the wagons ended up being and the steady momentum against her for the entirety of the day.

Who that busser is? Idrk.

The level 0 answer as to why me and Mac are alive and Seanzie is dead is that Seanzie was right about something. Which is either Nanook is mafia or Mac is mafia.

The level 1 answer is that me and Mac are both town and they're counting on Mac to continue tunneling me and LC and hoping that distracts us.

The level 2 answer is maybe Seanzie is a really good player and would have gotten a correct solve in this player list eventually. I don't know how true that is because I've never played with Seanzie so I'm operating under Level 0 and Level 1 but I don't really do NKA.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:27 am @anne do you ever see a world where mac is scum and is going ultra tryhard go get back at u for the draft game? He does have the potential to have really strong scum games like the hydra game but usually he needs some sort of motivation for it. Trying to think what his motivation woulda been this game if he’s a wolf

I mean maybe

I don't have Mac as lock town tbh and it's true that the hydra game he was extra-motivated. I don't think he'd have a reason to get back at me specifically as wolf tho, I didn't really do anything to him in the hydra game.

Lol, okay I'm even more convinced Ilario is town now. Every game we are V/V I townread him early and he says that it's scummy for me and then I end up reversing my read for a few hours and scumreading him then finally lock him town for the rest of the game. Let the record show this is like the 5th game I've townread Ilario early as town and he says it's scummy for me.

I townread mac cause he's treating me exactly like how he did in the draft game lmao

And also I think he just tries to pocket me again if he's wolf like he did last time

Also just a lot of v!Mac flare, not a lot of messing around which is what i associate with his wolf game

brad's posts are making me laugh so hard



a hug for mac

an offer of a truce

i didnt even notice porscha died omg

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:16 pm give me the name of 3 wolves plz

Nanook / Scotty / falcon

That's where I'd look today personally.

Maybe 112 but that's because she hasn't done much. Would like to get a better read on the slot.

i honestly this is one of my towniest games ever

if mac can't see that then



jk, probably town because i am reforming.

peace and love <3

This game had so much chaos I probably wouldn't have needed to ever bus Wisdom as mafia js

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:07 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:52 am

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:49 am Btw Lime Coke are you the same lime as Limestone?

This post is so wtf

lol anne why is this bad

I actually misread it initially as "time" as in same time zone as Limestone and thought it was weird.

I'm p sure it's not a cop check, just a difference check via gamestate reads

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:03 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:57 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:53 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:50 pm wisdom arguably spewed seanzie v with the "springing the trap" post sequence so I guess that could be why he died but that's such a weird kill, you always kill rondo first.

no lol.

you kill anne if she is town most of the time.

you kill seanzie if anne is mafia or if you are banking on Mac continuing to tunnel her.

not sure anyone here would bank on that so anne is probably just mafia lol.

Bruh why would I tunnel my partner there as mafia?

I mean you make a good point about me still being alive after that but maybe Seanzie was onto something that I wasn't. I'll read his ISO later.

why were you tunneling apoc?

Because I felt like it. I honestly thought bussing that game was my biggest mistake. I'm not very good at bussing as mafia and even said after the game that I'd probably never bus Apoc again if in that situation.

Okay so my answer to why you'd bus wisdom is because you felt like it

-_-

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:01 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:00 pm I wrote a whole post then accidentally backspaced and deleted it. *screams*

Anyways, I was gonna say I think Ilario is still V. I think the way he handled Wisdom isn't how w!Ilario treats partners. He would probably bus her hard because he is a very survivalist scum player who prioritizes his survival over partners.

So yeah, Ilario is town and maybe LC(?).

If we think there is really a difference check between Mac/Nanook/LC then Nanook is probably the mafia in that trio. Iirc Seanzie also had a scumread on Nanook too, so Seanzie dying if Nanook is mafia makes sense.

worth noting that alexa has a "never sus illario as mafia" policy due to her believing illario would just sus her for not being right on him which I believe anne would probably also abide by

I'm a very good reader of Ilario tho. I've been correct on him in my past 4 games as town in a row. Idk how well Alexa reads Ilario, she's good at picking up his towntells but I can catch him as mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:57 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:53 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:50 pm wisdom arguably spewed seanzie v with the "springing the trap" post sequence so I guess that could be why he died but that's such a weird kill, you always kill rondo first.

no lol.

you kill anne if she is town most of the time.

you kill seanzie if anne is mafia or if you are banking on Mac continuing to tunnel her.

not sure anyone here would bank on that so anne is probably just mafia lol.

Bruh why would I tunnel my partner there as mafia?

I mean you make a good point about me still being alive after that but maybe Seanzie was onto something that I wasn't. I'll read his ISO later.

why were you tunneling apoc?

Because I felt like it. I honestly thought bussing that game was my biggest mistake. I'm not very good at bussing as mafia and even said after the game that I'd probably never bus Apoc again if in that situation.

AND NOW I POSTED THE SAME POST LIKE THREE TIMES

I wrote a whole post then accidentally backspaced and deleted it. *screams*

Anyways, I was gonna say I think Ilario is still V. I think the way he handled Wisdom isn't how w!Ilario treats partners. He would probably bus her hard because he is a very survivalist scum player who prioritizes his survival over partners.

So yeah, Ilario is town and maybe LC(?).

If we think there is really a difference check between Mac/Nanook/LC then Nanook is probably the mafia in that trio. Iirc Seanzie also had a scumread on Nanook too, so Seanzie dying if Nanook is mafia makes sense.

I wrote a whole post then accidentally backspaced and deleted it. *screams*

Anyways, I was gonna say I think Ilario is still V. I think the way he handled Wisdom isn't how w!Ilario treats partners. He would probably bus her hard because he is a very survivalist scum player who prioritizes his survival over partners.

So yeah, Ilario is town and maybe LC(?).

If we think there is really a difference check between Mac/Nanook/LC then Nanook is probably the mafia in that trio. Iirc Seanzie also had a scumread on Nanook too, so Seanzie dying if Nanook is mafia makes sense.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:53 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:50 pm wisdom arguably spewed seanzie v with the "springing the trap" post sequence so I guess that could be why he died but that's such a weird kill, you always kill rondo first.

no lol.

you kill anne if she is town most of the time.

you kill seanzie if anne is mafia or if you are banking on Mac continuing to tunnel her.

not sure anyone here would bank on that so anne is probably just mafia lol.

Bruh why would I tunnel my partner there as mafia?

I mean you make a good point about me still being alive after that but maybe Seanzie was onto something that I wasn't. I'll read his ISO later.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:19 pm anne is your pfp evelynn

yes, it is! she's one of my faves

nice 1 mafia down, 69 more to go

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:42 pm anne, what's making you tr seanzie, wilgy, and rej? most so rej

Rej is a bit of an outdated read I'll admit. I just found their beginning posts when I was initially backreading to be townie and anti-consensus for the time which I'm not sure a wolf would attempt this early on into the game. He wasn't being particularly forceful with it either which is something I associate more with villas.

For Seanzie I thought the way he antagonized Scotty was townie, going so far as to say Scotty was hunting him and attempting to push him as an ML. Just seems to have town entitlement imo and I think a few of this theories and worldview of the game is out of touch with the kind of narrative scum would be seeing and trying to push. Such as his comments about Nanook/LC being W/W theatre and going so far as to substantiate the read with actual reasoning. (What I'm saying here is that if he had just given a W/W reading on Nanook/LC and said nothing else it wouldn't really be townie but the reasoning was good enough to me that it was ).

For Wilgy it's more of a tone read and the way he's interacted with my Wisdom read. Wilgy is probably one of the few people here I haven't played with a ton but have actually spectated quite a bit and iirc from his scum games he's usually more trolly than the posts he's been putting out rn??? I will say it's a very weak town read but that's my reasoning.

I'll be heading out and won't have much time to post, but here is where my current thoughts are at in terms of reads.

Town
Ilario - His entrance was townie, don't think he tinfoils a me/Guillo world if he is scum. I thought him saying he townreads Mac and having to reset his reads off of that was a pretty good look. Also don't think he'd be handling the Wisdom read like that if he were scum. He would probably be less hedgey.
Michelle

Light Town
Lime Coke - Had him as strong town initially but some of his reactions to pressure just feel off to me. Idk if I'd go as far as Seanzie did and say it was W/W theatre with Nanook, I think they could be any combination of alignments.
Mac
Guillo
Seanzie
Rej
DrWigly

Null
screenplay
Dolby
Scotty

True Null
112

Light Scum
Rondo
Nanook
Falcon
Porscha (?) - Not sure on this one, mostly sheeping Mac and Ilario a bit here

Scum
Wisdom

That’s the beauty of the Wisdom read though. There is no meta associated with the read whatsoever. If I were using meta to read her I’d be a lot more cautious. The scummy things Wisdom has done today would be scummy no matter which player in the game had done them.

It’s true that I am cautious when pushing people. I like to give them a day or two just to be sure, but that’s usually because there is an element of meta I am associating with the read or because they will be easier to catch once the game state has progressed.

To be clear, I am not fully confident Wisdom will flip scum. I’m town and don’t have TMI. I do think out of everyone in the game I’ve read SO FAR though that she is the most likely to flip scum.

High chance I miss EOD because I’ll be busy during that time. I’ll give a full reads list before I go though, in about 3-4 hours

Also lol at Rondo still going on me. You scum or what bud?

I understand your thoughts on Guillo and they do make sense, he is a bit more amicable this game than what I’ve seen from him in the past. So probably won’t keep him as a strong townread. I do think the way he reacted to Scotty’s tunnel on him was townier than not.

Why do you think Wisdom is townie?

@ilario

Yeah ilario is just town. I’ve seen enough. Reading me wrong, but town.

Sad Alexa isn't in this game, Evil Bunnies would suit her perfectly

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:24 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:45 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:38 pm Eh, her recent posts are a bit better. The LC read is like okay. I don't think the Rondo read is good because I think it's very easy to fabricate, but it's not as horrid as her earlier posts.

I think my issue with her recent posts tho is that it seems like she's being cautious about the reads she's making imo.

Explain this more. Very easy to fabricate? You manage to talk about her read of me but not say if I am town or not. Step up, lets go

It's easy to fabricate because it could just have easily been about any single player in the game up until that point. I'm too lazy to ISO you, maybe tomorrow.

you might not get tomorrow your choice

Then I'll be a dead IC at that point and you can sheep the one confident wolf read I do have.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:52 pm UNVOTING LIME COKEEEEEEE

VOTING ANNNEEEEE

You flatter me.

But I'm obviously town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:45 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:38 pm Eh, her recent posts are a bit better. The LC read is like okay. I don't think the Rondo read is good because I think it's very easy to fabricate, but it's not as horrid as her earlier posts.

I think my issue with her recent posts tho is that it seems like she's being cautious about the reads she's making imo.

Explain this more. Very easy to fabricate? You manage to talk about her read of me but not say if I am town or not. Step up, lets go

It's easy to fabricate because it could just have easily been about any single player in the game up until that point. I'm too lazy to ISO you, maybe tomorrow.

lmao lol

I don't think Seanzie is scummy, he had a pretty townie comment about Scotty

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:39 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:37 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:33 pm I'm gonna assume from now on that if Anne is pushing someone that it means she doesn't like them.

Cuz that's what she just said is how she plays mafia.

Lmao c'mon, that's not what I said at all.

All I said was that I don't find LC that scummy and if he is scum then he's not my top priority today because I have stronger reasons to believe other people are scum.

If that's how you interpreted it then I wouldn't have brought up any of my concerns on LC at all.

No you didn't say any of that actually. You actually said you can see how he's scum but you don't want to go there anyway and when asked why you said it's cuz you like him. Literally.

Because I wolf read Wisdom more???

Articulate the Wisdom wolf read for me plz?

Her entrance posts read as wolfy and nervous to me. She says a lot of things that appear like she's trying to fit into the thread without saying much. She has a super weird post asking Lime Coke if he's Limestone, which isn't that bad but just felt kinda off to me. Then she asks how the ISO feature works cause she wants to ISO people and then the rest of her ISO shows almost no evidence whatsoever of her ISO'ing people.

She votes Rondo over what seems like an RVS post and when I call her on it she says that actually it was a serious read and she ISO'd him (there is no real evidence of this occurring). After that, she says she has a hard time reading Guillo and is going to defer her read on him to others then like an hour later just says "Oh Guillo is town" which to me says that she was lying about actually being cautious about her Guillo read since she seemingly had no problem at all with just townreading him for tunneling someone, which is a very core and basic part of Guillo's play as both scum and town.

Then when I point out all of these things she said she did ISO, but she doesn't provide me with any real examples of this having occurred except that Rondo "posted a lot of fluff" which is kind of a bad reason in itself but I digress. Furthermore, the only time she comes into the thread is when she is receiving heat and p much everything she's posted since then (except for her vote and comment on LC) are about the same things she's already talked about. Nothing new whatsoever.

Like I'm trying to level with you here. I still don't even know what my read is on you fully Mac. If I end up townreading you then I will trust most of your reads because I think you're a good reader. Until then, while LC is not as townie as I thought he was, I still just kinda think Wisdom is wolfier and would prefer her today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:37 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:33 pm I'm gonna assume from now on that if Anne is pushing someone that it means she doesn't like them.

Cuz that's what she just said is how she plays mafia.

Lmao c'mon, that's not what I said at all.

All I said was that I don't find LC that scummy and if he is scum then he's not my top priority today because I have stronger reasons to believe other people are scum.

If that's how you interpreted it then I wouldn't have brought up any of my concerns on LC at all.

No you didn't say any of that actually. You actually said you can see how he's scum but you don't want to go there anyway and when asked why you said it's cuz you like him. Literally.

Because I wolf read Wisdom more???

Mac is so funny

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:34 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:32 pm Unless it was like Alexa or Hally or something

In any team that Brad and Wisdom is on who is the alpha wolf?

You think Brad helps you kill his wolf teammate Wisdom?

Seriously? When the alternative is just him doing literally anything else.

I think they'd both be on pretty equal footing here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:33 pm I'm gonna assume from now on that if Anne is pushing someone that it means she doesn't like them.

Cuz that's what she just said is how she plays mafia.

Lmao c'mon, that's not what I said at all.

All I said was that I don't find LC that scummy and if he is scum then he's not my top priority today because I have stronger reasons to believe other people are scum.

If that's how you interpreted it then I wouldn't have brought up any of my concerns on LC at all.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:32 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:25 pm I mean, I will admit that if LC is scum here I fully expect him to TR me and pocket me. I won't deny that. I just kinda think that even if he's scum I want to look elsewhere anyways?

but like why bother if LC is serving a full platter of wolf with a side of wolf

This is making me hungry for wolf

Unless it was like Alexa or Hally or something