The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:57 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:37 pm Have we found any wolf?
srsly
Creature we are waiting for you to start hunting
won't happen until lylo if creature is still alive

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:37 pm Have we found any wolf?
srsly
Creature we are waiting for you to start hunting
Wait are you all leaving me with the hunting part?
I would literally never cuz you don't bother
he's shared some good thoughts

give me a top 3 and I'll still tell you he's capable of bothering much more, but won't until day 4 minimum and he will be contractually obligated to also say that it feels like town is losing at least twice by then as well

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:37 pm Have we found any wolf?
srsly
Creature we are waiting for you to start hunting

won't happen until lylo if creature is still alive

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:37 pm Have we found any wolf?
srsly
Creature we are waiting for you to start hunting
Wait are you all leaving me with the hunting part?

I would literally never cuz you don't bother

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:12 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:23 pm I welcome everyone to address anything I got wrong in my assumed positions that you have taken
Rondo - Town? This is an implied reading not direct (THIS IS DIRECT - I STATE IT DIRECTLY THAT I BELIEVE RONDO IS LIKELY TOWN HERE)

Seanzie - Nothing - Despite them wolf reading her
Marmot - Nothing

Omega - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Mac - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Cobalt - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Creature - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Flanders - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE LIKELY TOWN HERE)
Linear - Wolf (UNSURE IN MY POSITION - NEVER SAID WOLF OR TOWN OTHERWISE)
Falcon - Wolf (NEVER SAID FALCON WAS WOLF - JUST PUT MY INITIAL VOTE ON HIM TO SEE HOW HE REACTED AND HAVE SINCE MOVED MY VOTE OFF NOW THAT HE HAS COME BACK TO THREAD)
Martin - Wolf

A whole lot of wolf here and not enough town. They are all light suses but she seems to not be willing to give any town cred and happy to shade

I think you mostly just evaluated my reads very incorrectly, but maybe I have not done a great job of explaining my world state since I never made a tier / read list
So what is your read on my slot?

Cuz your explanation here sounds like a hedgey townread, and I'd like some clarity

I just wanted to vote you to see how you would react. then your reaction was boring and didn't give me w!falcon flags. so I moved my vote to my more sus read of martin. and now you just exist to me. I guess GTH you're townlean for me right now but I don't feel strongly about you

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:49 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:39 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:03 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:01 pm

actually breaks my heart you think i'm more scum than
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

debating tearing up as we speak
Do you have a reason to think one of them is scum?
not particularly. my feelings are just hurt by my position on your list since I can't fathom what I have done to be worse off than null
Your early play around Martin threw up some red flags. In particular, I think you accused him of TMI, but then didn't really seem to want to push there, and seemed to only vote him begrudgingly. Possibly w/w trying to distance due to Martin getting heat, or even w/t trying to push the thread towards Martin while not being the focal point of the push.
well I thought I gave a pretty good reason as to why I didn't immediately vote him when someone else asked me about it but I guess it wasn't a good enough reason for you so that's just an irreconcilable different in opinion
Excuse me if I don't just take your word for it. It looked like you wanted to shade Martin without getting your hands too dirty, and only when Rondo questioned you about it did you find a way to back off your read, but then still vote there? The whole progression feels off IMO.
really good points

I strongly disagree that I ever backed off my read and I followed through on what I said regarding my vote placement.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:23 pm I welcome everyone to address anything I got wrong in my assumed positions that you have taken

Rondo - Town? This is an implied reading not direct (THIS IS DIRECT - I STATE IT DIRECTLY THAT I BELIEVE RONDO IS LIKELY TOWN HERE)

Seanzie - Nothing - Despite them wolf reading her
Marmot - Nothing

Omega - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Mac - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Cobalt - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Creature - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE NULL TO ME)
Flanders - Wolf (WRONG - THEY ARE LIKELY TOWN HERE)
Linear - Wolf (UNSURE IN MY POSITION - NEVER SAID WOLF OR TOWN OTHERWISE)
Falcon - Wolf (NEVER SAID FALCON WAS WOLF - JUST PUT MY INITIAL VOTE ON HIM TO SEE HOW HE REACTED AND HAVE SINCE MOVED MY VOTE OFF NOW THAT HE HAS COME BACK TO THREAD)
Martin - Wolf

A whole lot of wolf here and not enough town. They are all light suses but she seems to not be willing to give any town cred and happy to shade

I think you mostly just evaluated my reads very incorrectly, but maybe I have not done a great job of explaining my world state since I never made a tier / read list

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:39 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:03 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:47 pm Sorting GTH without much thought.

LinearPoint

Marmot
Stupid Sexy Flanders

RondoDimBuckle
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

falcon45ca
Porscha

MartinGG99

A lot more nulls than I'd prefer, but I suppose that comes with the slower start to the game and a few people not having really started playing. Even though this doesn't really show up on this sort, I've kind of softened on Martin a bit, when I was pressuring them, they didn't just focus on defending themselves and continued to give reads on the game around them, which I think was kind of a good look. They were still very reactionary in a way that I think is scummy, but I am kind of worried about a different possibility as well. Still kind of okay with my vote, but would really like to hear from some of the low posters to help sort that null group.
actually breaks my heart you think i'm more scum than
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

debating tearing up as we speak
Do you have a reason to think one of them is scum?
not particularly. my feelings are just hurt by my position on your list since I can't fathom what I have done to be worse off than null
Your early play around Martin threw up some red flags. In particular, I think you accused him of TMI, but then didn't really seem to want to push there, and seemed to only vote him begrudgingly. Possibly w/w trying to distance due to Martin getting heat, or even w/t trying to push the thread towards Martin while not being the focal point of the push.

well I thought I gave a pretty good reason as to why I didn't immediately vote him when someone else asked me about it but I guess it wasn't a good enough reason for you so that's just an irreconcilable different in opinion

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:05 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:47 pm Sorting GTH without much thought.

LinearPoint

Marmot
Stupid Sexy Flanders

RondoDimBuckle
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

falcon45ca
Porscha

MartinGG99

A lot more nulls than I'd prefer, but I suppose that comes with the slower start to the game and a few people not having really started playing. Even though this doesn't really show up on this sort, I've kind of softened on Martin a bit, when I was pressuring them, they didn't just focus on defending themselves and continued to give reads on the game around them, which I think was kind of a good look. They were still very reactionary in a way that I think is scummy, but I am kind of worried about a different possibility as well. Still kind of okay with my vote, but would really like to hear from some of the low posters to help sort that null group.
actually breaks my heart you think i'm more scum than
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

debating tearing up as we speak
How am I related to the other names?

about as relevant / useful / readable

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:12 pm I was about to call Porscha scummy because I feel like she (do you use she pronouns?) had been mostly shitposting, but I scanned her ISO and she has been stating reads, and I don't sense any trepidation in her thought process. Apparently I've mostly overlooked or forgotten those posts.

I think Porscha is town.

I am a she, but I've been on the internet enough to learn to avoid obviously feminine pronouns in places where it doesnt matter to me, so yeah I don't care in the slightest or bother correcting people if they assume wrong lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:03 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:47 pm Sorting GTH without much thought.

LinearPoint

Marmot
Stupid Sexy Flanders

RondoDimBuckle
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

falcon45ca
Porscha

MartinGG99

A lot more nulls than I'd prefer, but I suppose that comes with the slower start to the game and a few people not having really started playing. Even though this doesn't really show up on this sort, I've kind of softened on Martin a bit, when I was pressuring them, they didn't just focus on defending themselves and continued to give reads on the game around them, which I think was kind of a good look. They were still very reactionary in a way that I think is scummy, but I am kind of worried about a different possibility as well. Still kind of okay with my vote, but would really like to hear from some of the low posters to help sort that null group.
actually breaks my heart you think i'm more scum than
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

debating tearing up as we speak
Do you have a reason to think one of them is scum?

not particularly. my feelings are just hurt by my position on your list since I can't fathom what I have done to be worse off than null

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:57 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:01 pm
Spoiler: show
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
wrong

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
Do you find town!DoOm particularly solvy, especially early game?
no

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
Do you find town!DoOm particularly solvy, especially early game?
Certainly moreso than they've been thus far
wrong again

Do you think Omega is town at this point?

well like I said before, I think she's null. I'm almost entirely caught up now and have seen all her posts. didn't love the post where it seemed like she was worried to bring attention to herself cuz it literally does sound like it was for maf chat but I also don't think she'd make that mistake, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo idunno what to do with that right now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:12 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:13 am So your position is that Seanzie is a wolf?
My position is that seanzie is worth looking into because he more or less said he wasn't going to do any interaction with me

by not doing that after my passive-aggressive post that implicitly referred to him

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:27 pm This looks like a great way to generate discussion!
Also: I don't think anyone can be certainly wolf. No one can figure that out in 100 posts, at least in my personal experience.

What needs to happen is more things and more interactions. I've been trying to do that that with my earlier posts.

Last town game I had on another site, I lost to a wolf because there wasn't enough posts in the game. if there had been more posts that game, I would've been able to figure out who was more likely to be the wolf partner there, instead of just relying on my world-building bias. Admittedly though, it was only 300ish posts because it was a light-ish game, but I want to get the ball rolling this game just so we avoid the scenario of finding out there was too little to go on too late.

Valid, ok you keep doing you.
Does this make you change your mind that Martin could be scum?
Mmmm, I still think is one post is bad enough that I feel he's more likely scum than anyone else, but that did wane a bit, especially since someone (I forget who) claimed that Martin does get quite defensive as town.

it was LP. don't forget

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:16 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 am Anyone else see the Seanzie/Martin thing as performative at this point?
I don't think it's w/w if that's what you're asking.

But I can empathize with martin, sometimes forcing content is necessary when a game is getting off to a slow start. What he has done I can see coming from a townie perspective, but how he's responded to sean's pressure looks less townie imo.
What if I called you his wolf partner for this post?

what if I told you that martin's content force did produce results? threadstate is much more active now................. not that I don't still scum lean martin but, in his favor, I will grant that I would likely not see his content force as wolf. and it did seem to work, so................... sort of agree with marmot on that point without it feeling too wolfy, though I do see that any defense of anybody can potentially be wolf partner defense. not sure it's really the case here chief

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:47 pm Sorting GTH without much thought.

LinearPoint

Marmot
Stupid Sexy Flanders

RondoDimBuckle
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

falcon45ca
Porscha

MartinGG99

A lot more nulls than I'd prefer, but I suppose that comes with the slower start to the game and a few people not having really started playing. Even though this doesn't really show up on this sort, I've kind of softened on Martin a bit, when I was pressuring them, they didn't just focus on defending themselves and continued to give reads on the game around them, which I think was kind of a good look. They were still very reactionary in a way that I think is scummy, but I am kind of worried about a different possibility as well. Still kind of okay with my vote, but would really like to hear from some of the low posters to help sort that null group.

actually breaks my heart you think i'm more scum than
DaughterOfOmega
Cobalt
MacDougall
Creature

debating tearing up as we speak

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:40 pm I feel like I'm in a decent spot, and I could post my thoughts but it could bring attention to me

absolute jester mega chad post right here

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:09 pm I think falcon, Seanzie and LinearPoint all look good in this page.
Tell me more about Falcon. While their push on DoOm isn't bad persay, it kinda feels like he is going after lhf since DoOm often plays in a way that people find kinda unhelpful/non-townie.
I liked his meme game and I also can kinda see his push on DOOM. It's hard to not wolfread someone being unhelpful.
It's also easy to push someone that is chronically unhelpful.
[VOTE: sean] aubergine

"

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:33 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:23 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:17 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:12 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:05 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 pm I think I'm incline to agree with Falcon here. While I don't know Omega's meta since I haven't seen them play ever they are just making nothing posts over and over again.
Though so is Creature and I'm certainly not confident all three scum are taking that approach.

I think of the active people, basically just excluding Mac, Creature, Cobalt, and Omega, that Flounders seems to be doing the least while being the loudest.
They aren't really coming across as actively trying so much as just giving random comments to appear like they are doing something.

Spoiler: show

A pretty early random shade for Martin being active.

Then they criticize someone for making reads period. Where everyone else who was on at the time was either questioning specific reads or not addressing it.
Seems pretty counter to what I think town would want especially since reads and discussion drive this game.

This response just looks like a deflection. They basically just said it wasn't a shading attempt and quickly voted someone else for no given reason which in this context looks to just be an attempt to redirect the conversation away from his odd post.

They also had recently switched votes from Omega to Martin while not having commented on the Martin accusations at all. It looks to just be following the wagon like they had done with their last vote.

I really don't think that Flounders is being genuine here and is just giving the illusion of activity since they really have not substanciated anything outside of this:

Which while I don't disagree with the read it is a pretty simple response to why they town read someone and didn't even point to examples. Just kind of left it at this vague towny feeling.

Did you arrive at your shit take through iso, or just throwing mud to appear solvey?
You're calling it shit, but you've not said why. As far as I'm concerned that's as good as just admitting you're scum.

Your ISO was mostly just fluff posts which I skipped over in the quoting to cut space and not be so repetitive.

But so far you've basically just been doing the bare minimal to get by unnoticed.
Oh it's shit because I'm town. And the basis of read is me "not trying hard enough:, which is just a crap take. I'm just not a try hard.

Anyways, if you want to know where I'mat - dont like Marty and Rondo. Town leans on Marmot and Seanzie.
OK, but why?

You haven't said why you don't like Martin and this new Rondo dislike was also never mentioned in your ISO. Is there anything with martin you've disliked since the start of the game where you said he was coming in too hot? Are you only scum reading Rondo because he thought you were shading his reads list?

You also seem to be walking back on your Marmot and Seanzie reads here since earlier like I quoted, you were saying they were "probably Town" but htis is being downgraded to just a townlean since I pointed out you weren't making strong or compelling arguments.

All in all it doesn't look like you're putting any thought into your reads whatsoever and are just saying names that are not likely to be critiqued heavily for susing or towning.
No I've definitely outlined my suspicion on marty, you either didnt read my iso, or you missed it.

I mentioned things and questioned rondo in the thread, but I suppose I didnt outright call him scum at those times.
Premature lists.
Tonal shift from my last game with him, and when I asked about why, I didnt like the "I dont use the same tone, especially when playing in two games" answer.
Last night felt like typical overposting wolf to establish some town cred for post volume. Will be interesting to see if they continue on with the same energy.
Oh I see it, I didn't realize that was addressing Martin.

who else would marty be..??????? lol.................................... hope you aren't playing dumb rn LP

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:32 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:17 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:12 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:05 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 pm I think I'm incline to agree with Falcon here. While I don't know Omega's meta since I haven't seen them play ever they are just making nothing posts over and over again.
Though so is Creature and I'm certainly not confident all three scum are taking that approach.

I think of the active people, basically just excluding Mac, Creature, Cobalt, and Omega, that Flounders seems to be doing the least while being the loudest.
They aren't really coming across as actively trying so much as just giving random comments to appear like they are doing something.

Spoiler: show
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:55 am
Because I can't resist a good beep-boop joke.

Marty comin in hot
A pretty early random shade for Martin being active.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 pm
Feels way too early for a reads list.

And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..
Then they criticize someone for making reads period. Where everyone else who was on at the time was either questioning specific reads or not addressing it.
Seems pretty counter to what I think town would want especially since reads and discussion drive this game.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:40 pm

Not even sure I'm throwing shade, so much as thinking outloud.
I couldn't do a list this early on you guys. On my homesite maybe, but... yeah.

Carry on though. Don't let me spoil your fun.

I'm gonna [VOTE: omega] aubergine for wagon stuff
This response just looks like a deflection. They basically just said it wasn't a shading attempt and quickly voted someone else for no given reason which in this context looks to just be an attempt to redirect the conversation away from his odd post.

They also had recently switched votes from Omega to Martin while not having commented on the Martin accusations at all. It looks to just be following the wagon like they had done with their last vote.

I really don't think that Flounders is being genuine here and is just giving the illusion of activity since they really have not substanciated anything outside of this:
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 pm
Vibes, tonal stuff. The way you both approach the thread feels genuine.

Could a wolf do it too? Yes, but you two feel lighter than the rest.
Which while I don't disagree with the read it is a pretty simple response to why they town read someone and didn't even point to examples. Just kind of left it at this vague towny feeling.

Did you arrive at your shit take through iso, or just throwing mud to appear solvey?
You're calling it shit, but you've not said why. As far as I'm concerned that's as good as just admitting you're scum.

Your ISO was mostly just fluff posts which I skipped over in the quoting to cut space and not be so repetitive.

But so far you've basically just been doing the bare minimal to get by unnoticed.
Oh it's shit because I'm town. And the basis of read is me "not trying hard enough:, which is just a crap take. I'm just not a try hard.

Anyways, if you want to know where I'mat - dont like Marty and Rondo. Town leans on Marmot and Seanzie.
OK, but why?

You haven't said why you don't like Martin and this new Rondo dislike was also never mentioned in your ISO. Is there anything with martin you've disliked since the start of the game where you said he was coming in too hot? Are you only scum reading Rondo because he thought you were shading his reads list?

You also seem to be walking back on your Marmot and Seanzie reads here since earlier like I quoted, you were saying they were "probably Town" but htis is being downgraded to just a townlean since I pointed out you weren't making strong or compelling arguments.

All in all it doesn't look like you're putting any thought into your reads whatsoever and are just saying names that are not likely to be critiqued heavily for susing or towning.
I think the mixture of inquisitiveness and aggression here feels townie, LP seems genuinely concerned with Flanders, which is a good look, even if I don't really agree with all her points (e.g. "probably town -> townlean" I don't really see this as walking back, just using synonyms.)

agree with seanzie here on LP mostly. likely LP picking someone to pressure based on how sus they were of said person... but idk I also feel like LP *could* potentially be a wolf who thought they could push flanders around and trick flanders into suss'ing himself more than LP already had

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:54 am "I think Rondo is very likely town, or at least townier than everyone else here."

I also TR rondo at this point in time but I don't feel like rondo is townier than everyone else here for any particular reason

"Don't think wolves shade both of us, and regardless of whether he's right on Linear I think his posts on it look towny."

why would one assume this exactly. what does it mean. okay why does it look towny

"Also feels a bit excited."

I guess I just didnt feel like it was that excited or aggro but that might be because I read your posts thru rondo-meta-colored glasses. felt like it could just... be like....... a shallow reason to TR you which is just inherently not as genuinely believable
I'm confused, are you saying that Martin's read looks like tmi because even though you agree with him on Rondo, you don't agree with the particular nature of his townread?

I don't understand how it's tmi.

if it isn't apparent enough in my explanation I don't really know how to explain it further to make sense *to you*.
"I'm confused, are you saying that Martin's read looks like tmi because even though you agree with him on Rondo, you don't agree with the particular nature of his townread?"

>pretty much yes. you're less confused than you think you are

I didn't feel like it was a read, I felt like it was a choice of "which townie would I like to TR today" with a reason added on top to make it sound believable. I felt like the read was worked backwards - not forwards. if that makes sense

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:16 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 am Anyone else see the Seanzie/Martin thing as performative at this point?
I don't think it's w/w if that's what you're asking.

But I can empathize with martin, sometimes forcing content is necessary when a game is getting off to a slow start. What he has done I can see coming from a townie perspective, but how he's responded to sean's pressure looks less townie imo.

I agree with this marmot

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:05 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:32 pm @falcon45ca
@MacDougall
@Cobalt

Don't be shy, lets hear your reads, at least park a vote

@LinearPoint

You've been sitting here a while no money where your mouth is? No vote? You go quiet when pushed?

A series of replies to me in close to or less than 10 minutes apart and now nothing?

I believe Marmot calls this a FREEZE?

[VOTE: LinearPoint ] aubergine

I agree with LP's point here. Specifically, I don't understand how you can read falcon's single post as nai, and Cobalt's single post as scummy.

flanders read 1 falcon post as NAI opposed to cobalt single post as scum cuz flanders has a lot of falcon meta. pretty much guarantee this was a meta read that flanders did not explain

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:05 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 pm I think I'm incline to agree with Falcon here. While I don't know Omega's meta since I haven't seen them play ever they are just making nothing posts over and over again.
Though so is Creature and I'm certainly not confident all three scum are taking that approach.

I think of the active people, basically just excluding Mac, Creature, Cobalt, and Omega, that Flounders seems to be doing the least while being the loudest.
They aren't really coming across as actively trying so much as just giving random comments to appear like they are doing something.

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Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:55 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:18 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:14 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:11 am [VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

decides to check in after the check in phase
All of day 0 is check in phase?
if by that you mean night 0 where the thread is opened and people got their role PM's and people posted into the thread

then yeah

I don't see why flanders needed to post again with largely a meaningless post
Because I can't resist a good beep-boop joke.

Marty comin in hot
A pretty early random shade for Martin being active.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
Feels way too early for a reads list.

And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..
Then they criticize someone for making reads period. Where everyone else who was on at the time was either questioning specific reads or not addressing it.
Seems pretty counter to what I think town would want especially since reads and discussion drive this game.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
Feels way too early for a reads list.

And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..
any specifics you disagree with or just throwing shade?
Not even sure I'm throwing shade, so much as thinking outloud.
I couldn't do a list this early on you guys. On my homesite maybe, but... yeah.

Carry on though. Don't let me spoil your fun.

I'm gonna [VOTE: omega] aubergine for wagon stuff
This response just looks like a deflection. They basically just said it wasn't a shading attempt and quickly voted someone else for no given reason which in this context looks to just be an attempt to redirect the conversation away from his odd post.

They also had recently switched votes from Omega to Martin while not having commented on the Martin accusations at all. It looks to just be following the wagon like they had done with their last vote.

I really don't think that Flounders is being genuine here and is just giving the illusion of activity since they really have not substanciated anything outside of this:
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:53 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:43 pm Thinkin Seanzie and Marmot probably town.
Can you elaborate on this? Why has what me and Marmot done not something that could come from wolves?
Vibes, tonal stuff. The way you both approach the thread feels genuine.

Could a wolf do it too? Yes, but you two feel lighter than the rest.
Which while I don't disagree with the read it is a pretty simple response to why they town read someone and didn't even point to examples. Just kind of left it at this vague towny feeling.

Did you arrive at your shit take through iso, or just throwing mud to appear solvey?
You're calling it shit, but you've not said why. As far as I'm concerned that's as good as just admitting you're scum.

Your ISO was mostly just fluff posts which I skipped over in the quoting to cut space and not be so repetitive.

But so far you've basically just been doing the bare minimal to get by unnoticed.

honestly LP I think you just picked the highest-low poster and used that as your basis for determining their posts to be fluff / unhelpful

also i have a little bit of flanders meta and it isn't unusual for them in their town play to start off this way

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:37 pm Have we found any wolf?

srsly

also sitll catching ujp on last page of posts sorry if stuff gets jumbled between recent posts and older ones in my responses

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:04 pm
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Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
wrong

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
Do you find town!DoOm particularly solvy, especially early game?
no

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
Do you find town!DoOm particularly solvy, especially early game?
Certainly moreso than they've been thus far
wrong again

Is this you saying DOOM is town? Or defending a push from Falcon?

just think falcon is generally wrong on this point so I suppose it's more of defending a push from falcon cuz I don't think anyone would say doom has done anything other than be null in her posts

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:23 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:54 am "Don't think wolves shade both of us, and regardless of whether he's right on Linear I think his posts on it look towny."

why would one assume this exactly. what does it mean. okay why does it look towny
that isn't an assumption when I say think lol

but at worst Martin/Seanzie is T/S, and I find it unlikely that shading both players (especially when the mafia consist of only two players) would happen in this scenario

and if Martin/Seanzie is T/T, it would be better to just null me and put sus on seanzie or something like that if you're going to take advantage of this as wolf in order to push/chop both of us

therefore rondo is likely town in shading both of us

As for the green part, I had to think on that a bit: The progression is clear and I can see where rondo is thinking, and feels unlikely to be performative because it resulted from Linear interacting with him rather than Rondo going out on his own and progressing on posts already made. Also most of it was real-time-ish in the FM world.

"that isn't an assumption when I say think lol" sorry it's the same thing to me and i'm not about to get into some dumb linguistical debate over it. if you "think" something you don't know, you're also "assuming" the thing you don't know. same thing

also like not to be *that guy* but 2 wolves could say that ofc that interaction is either t/w or t/t and therefore a wolf could say rondo looks good throwing sus on either player?

idk I see your point on why you think rondo is town I guess, but I don't feel like your analysis has to come from only a town mindset if that makes sense

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:05 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:49 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:27 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:12 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:46 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:44 am Gonna assume you'll be reanimated after your flip, and if we're all wrong you get to come back and be all like "I told you so", if you're town.
why in the world would they reanimate a citizen over a PR

gotta assume they have limited reanimations otherwise you couldn't mischop town at all
who is "they" in this scenario? Idk how to read it
"They" being anyone that can revive people from the dead

the point applies regardless of alignment I think
I didnt assume that there were PR's that decided who was able to be reanimated
you're going to have to make some level of assumption at some point

unless you don't want to consider reanimations (or lack there-of) to be indicative or suggestive of anything ever

yeah, at some point, don't need to day 1 with no mechanical info other than what's in the OG post...... kinda feel like you just have reanimation PR at this point

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play

wrong

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
Do you find town!DoOm particularly solvy, especially early game?

no

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am Alright, I'd vote Martin or DOOM right now. I see Martin's in the lead, so why not make it harder for Maf to bus right?

So, [VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine
Why DoOm? She's straight null for me right now.
Just awkward posting, no real solving attempts at all. Doesn't vibe w/ how I see town DOOM play
Do you find town!DoOm particularly solvy, especially early game?
Certainly moreso than they've been thus far

wrong again

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:45 am y'all are gamers

thank you mom <3

then again my vote was to just be annoying to falcon and see how he'd react but I must have activated his trap card where he doesnt show up so I can't see how he reacts so maybe I will just vote martin

i'm unsure if the TMI is compelling enough on day 1

but I didn't feel like the ... energy was different, I suppose

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:56 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:54 am "I think Rondo is very likely town, or at least townier than everyone else here."

I also TR rondo at this point in time but I don't feel like rondo is townier than everyone else here for any particular reason

"Don't think wolves shade both of us, and regardless of whether he's right on Linear I think his posts on it look towny."

why would one assume this exactly. what does it mean. okay why does it look towny

"Also feels a bit excited."

I guess I just didnt feel like it was that excited or aggro but that might be because I read your posts thru rondo-meta-colored glasses. felt like it could just... be like....... a shallow reason to TR you which is just inherently not as genuinely believable
Thanks for the breakdown. Its not, uncompelling. Hah Rondo-meta-coloured glasses. I am acting more towny this game as an opening than I ever have before on Syndicate

I agree with that

"I think Rondo is very likely town, or at least townier than everyone else here."

I also TR rondo at this point in time but I don't feel like rondo is townier than everyone else here for any particular reason

"Don't think wolves shade both of us, and regardless of whether he's right on Linear I think his posts on it look towny."

why would one assume this exactly. what does it mean. okay why does it look towny

"Also feels a bit excited."

I guess I just didnt feel like it was that excited or aggro but that might be because I read your posts thru rondo-meta-colored glasses. felt like it could just... be like....... a shallow reason to TR you which is just inherently not as genuinely believable

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:27 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:12 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:46 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:44 am Gonna assume you'll be reanimated after your flip, and if we're all wrong you get to come back and be all like "I told you so", if you're town.
why in the world would they reanimate a citizen over a PR

gotta assume they have limited reanimations otherwise you couldn't mischop town at all
who is "they" in this scenario? Idk how to read it
"They" being anyone that can revive people from the dead

the point applies regardless of alignment I think

I didnt assume that there were PR's that decided who was able to be reanimated

@ rondo
say more about what? sorry for my stupid long post

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:52 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:48 pm I am voting falcon immediately and indefinitely until I am persuaded otherwise
Vote for sexy flanders instead

nooooooooo he's too stupid and too sexy to vote ahaaaaaaaa

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:53 am [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
no thoughts head empty (literally no posts until this??)

votes falcon anyway tho

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Yet you end up on falcon without even putting a vote tag down?

I never put vote tags down (unless host requires it for the game). I say what I'm gonna do and then I do it. just normal practice for me

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:46 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:44 am Gonna assume you'll be reanimated after your flip, and if we're all wrong you get to come back and be all like "I told you so", if you're town.
why in the world would they reanimate a citizen over a PR

gotta assume they have limited reanimations otherwise you couldn't mischop town at all

who is "they" in this scenario? Idk how to read it

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 am Anyone else see the Seanzie/Martin thing as performative at this point?

maybe but they both sound pretty uh, ah, normal in their speech? idk it's possible but that thought did not stand out to me while I went through it cuz they both don't sound performative to me - they sound like they usually do

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:06 am I think Rondo is very likely town, or at least townier than everyone else here.

Don't think wolves shade both of us, and regardless of whether he's right on Linear I think his posts on it look towny.

Also feels a bit excited.

this just feels TMI to me

speak of the devil

were your ears burning creature

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:53 am [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

no thoughts head empty (literally no posts until this??)

votes falcon anyway tho

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MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:14 am @Porscha

I know you said you were going to vote falcon buuuuuttttt

y no post

because when I voted falcon yesterday I was still like the last 4 most recent posts? I didn't have anything to add when I voted him

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:43 am
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:42 amsup
get in nerds, we're voting Rondo

Or what? Aha

When I can, of course

I am voting falcon immediately and indefinitely until I am persuaded otherwise

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:12 am I am a wolf

Hey man who isnt aha

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