The Syndicate

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:04 pm Anyways gamestate sort of points away from bussing, obviously its possible yesterday but, yeah, im inclined to just solve falcon, if he's town then find the busser, but I don't really want to start from the assumption of a wilgy bus yesterday when we know at least 3 members of the team were actively avoiding bussing (and given jack is one of them i think it was probably coordinated given his general tendencies)
My problem with Porscha is it felt like she actively pushed away from Wilgy a lot of days (including yesterday). Then just sort of resigned to it.

I didn't want to shoot my best 4 legged friend behind the shed. it was very tragic and sad

it isn't my fault wilgy charmed into getting pocketed. I never get pocketed it's wilgy's fault I will be in denial about this forever

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:14 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:50 pm like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying
This is such a weird take

it literally isn't and you know that. lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:01 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.
being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor
I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.
I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence
Do you think this is tmi on Neon
thats what everyone said about my read when I used the term "wrong" that time I was caught, so yeah I suppose so
So you think this tmis neon town yeah?

by the logic I am pirating, stealing, downloading, using by those who found me, yes it is tmi

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:59 pm That D4 actually a point in Falcon's favor to me because does the whole mafia team just pile on Creature? Like it seemed like Jack was trying to convince Falcon there

can you quote those posts?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.
being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor
I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.
I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence
Do you think this is tmi on Neon

thats what everyone said about my read when I used the term "wrong" that time I was caught, so yeah I suppose so

like the creature wagon vs jack would have been 3 wolves. not a single busser

those vc's are insane b/c I couldn't believe how hard the wolves voted together if falcon is wolf and i'm not missing something drastic here

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.
being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor
I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:42 pm Conversation From the Maf Chat Probably™:

Wilgy: let's kill lucy
Porscha: okay but that will make you look really bad so i'll have to bus you
Wilgy: alright nw ill push back great theater

*day turns, Porscha tries pushing then gives up, realizes Wilgy is salvageable*: yasssssss king, now gonna save you every day and win in lylo. we'll just keep obscurity alive to keep scum siding.

FOOLS, i wasn't born yesterday

altho oscar I read this after day ended and it was very funny b/c that is likely how it would go, yeah

like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying

like if I go into wilgy's iso right now and control f falcon's name, many pages will have many posts. i'll do it for fun. "fun" zz

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:33 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:17 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:14 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.
yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?
Yesterday Wilgy tried to push at Neon and Ruri. I shot those both down. It was only after I encouraged him to look at you that he started going for you because he was basically out of options near EOD.

I'm not taking his yesterday hugely into account though because I believe a lot of it was anti-spew. But the day before he also pushed you then backed off when it mattered.

Anyway, like, it's obvious I suspect you, but the fact is it can only be a couple people.

Creature is town.

Neon is spewed town and has gone for Wilgy for days.

Basically to me it has to be you, Falcon, or NANOOK. Pyxxy's death points to you. NANOOK I believe is unpaired with Wilgy and Jack. Also I kind of felt like he believed his read on Wilgy. It'd be a weird W/W approach for him to be like "welp, I'm god-reading Wilgy town, but sure he can go" and his role-results and such are proven. The OP says that both sides have a mix of PRs and vanilla:

Setup
~16 Town vs. 4 Mafia
~Both teams have a mix of power roles and vanilla roles.

I think this implies that the last mafia has to be vanilla, since none of the others were, and NANOOK isn't vanilla.

So I think killing you into Falcon in any order wins the game. Falcon's been townier than you the last couple days imo.

Do you disagree with this? If it's not you or Falcon, who am I misclearing?

I do not disagree with your logic. I don't think falcon has been townier than me the past couple days, though. He's kinda slanking and had wilgy start defending him up the ass the day after jack flipped. if wilgy won't bus, and wilgy pushed on neon, ruri, and myself yesterday, but has been defending falcon like he defended jack, then I think the obvious answer is falcon. which is probably what nook is thinking as well

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:27 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:25 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:17 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:14 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.
yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?
Well, he had little choice, wouldn't you say? He made lots of soft sus on other slots as well, including Ruri & Neon
okay, sure, oscar thinks he forced wilgy into trying to flip me, and you think wilgy had no choice but to try and flip me. do either or both of these point to me being his wolf partner today?
In and of themselves, no, but that's not the primary reason for sus on your slot.

Let's say you are town, talk to me about your current TRs & SRs plz

lol then what is the primary reason? my treatment of wilgy seems to be the huge main driving factor behind this idea.

neon and creature I think are my 2 only lock towns. I think oscar is likely town, just driving the struggle bus. nook at least has PR to his claim.

you........... were spewed in some way or another by wilgy via treatment of your slot vis a vis jack. Wilgy successfully kept people off your back the past couple days every time your name came up. You weren't the fish to be frying the past couple of days, but I wasn't really on board with everyone else thinking you were just sliding by as town. I kinda think you are sliding by as wolf and the mech that nook has on you now means even less since the kill and an ability could have been done by another teammate the night nook checked you.

I'm not super confident on this, but I just see more arrows pointing towards you than anyone else right now. you even omgus'd me a little bit earlier in the game and I find this to be more AI >wolf than otherwise for you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:25 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:17 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:14 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.
yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?
Well, he had little choice, wouldn't you say? He made lots of soft sus on other slots as well, including Ruri & Neon

okay, sure, oscar thinks he forced wilgy into trying to flip me, and you think wilgy had no choice but to try and flip me. do either or both of these point to me being his wolf partner today?

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:14 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

you aren't surprised nook didn't die?

do you have any other thoughts about the NK's?

I can only assume creature cuz he said he wouldn't really be around? I'd have to look at his iso from yesterday to remember anything else he said
obs b/c he's had scum side reads all game and was already pushing for me and wilgy as w/w yesterday so if wolves are looking for the ML on me then keeping oscar alive is paramount
you? I don't know. if it was between you and ruri, I can only assume they chose ruri over you because of her PR

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.
that's true! But I think wilgy took advantage of the suspicion of me + creature not being around to kill ruri knowing I was still the one person most likely to be pushed today and it didnt matter if he flipped me yesterday to get to lylo (especially since he had the nook read on him being town)
I do think it looks almost too obvious which scares me but Wilgy looked too obvious and was a woof and we let him get away 3 days in a row.

Obviously not Creature

If I'm looking deep I'm looking at Obs but I don't think I can ever push Obs after that post today... forever pocketed.

I know I'm town obviously.

So that leaves me with a pool of 3.

ok out of me, falcon, nook, what are you thinking?

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.

that's true! But I think wilgy took advantage of the suspicion of me + creature not being around to kill ruri knowing I was still the one person most likely to be pushed today and it didnt matter if he flipped me yesterday to get to lylo (especially since he had the nook read on him being town)

@Neon I need your help to figure out last wolf pls assist

why was ruri killed over confirmed mason creature zz

like the way wilgy hard defended jack...... makes me think wilgy might be shielding falcon. cuz wilgy went out of his way to repeatedly say falcon was spewed town from the way jack talked about falcon?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

all the back and forth we did would be wild as w/w

I'd be okay if you like, *tinfoiled* me being wolf with wilgy but if you think I telegraph the ole yeller thing with him as my wolf partner that would be quite silly. like painfully obvious kind of silly

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:32 pm I guess I'm waiting to hear what Porscha says. I felt really solid about my Wilgy/Porscha solve yesterday but it's like we're trapped in a room for 48 hours with the same insane peeps so if she's actually town maybe she can convince me in that time

that's because you won't stop scum reading

wilgy hard spewed me town

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:10 pm So just going through Ruri's ISO seeing if there's literally anything that'd keep me off the slot

The interactions I find,
Rondo and Ruri had a brief discussion of counter claims

Calls Seanzie wolf

A joke post regarding Jack:
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:00 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:37 am 2 shot doc. Didn't use any shot since I forgot.
Okay. This was what I have been waiting for all phase. Or rather, I was waiting for Ruri to claim full doc or something so I could be all smart and point out that all flipped and host confirmed roles were X shot (except maybe Nick Frost) so obviously, Ruri was lying but eh.
Har har.
PR discussion with Anne that raises the question that I didn't consider,
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:14 am
anne wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
A bodyguard isn't a save, just a trade-off.
If the Bodyguard is a 1 for 1 trade off, perhaps Creature was the intended NK? @Creature clarification on Seanzie's role would be appreciated.

Ruri and Neon have a thing. What I didn't notice at first is that I actually kinda like how contrary Neon's take is compared to the rest of the thread in this moment.
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:15 pm
anne wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
The one thing I'll say about Ruri and why I've stayed here is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that they forgot the site existed until the point they had obtained a multi vote wagon.

Like the timing of their remembering the game existed was awfully convenient.
A lot of my actions across game history is convenient. I just pick up vibes.
Ruri protects Obs.

Votes Neon.

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 am Ranking whoever are aliving.

Phraze

Obscurity
Falcon
Porscha
Seanzie
pxxy
Schiavetto
Anne
Neon
DrWilgy
Creature
Nanook

Based off limited impression from posts seen at random. Middle is null. Bottom is a mixup of rands. Nanook I dislike for the fake checks.
Conf town in green. Interesting to note that Creature is so low. Also odd that Neon was voted with Nook at the bottom.

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:52 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:43 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:00 pm If I were to share reads right now they'd just be townreads. That's not useful to the thread at this point. As I said, when I have a scumread I'll discuss it. Its strategic, but I don't believe this tactic is anti-town.

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:31 pm Oh Anne is town too.
@obscurity why did you say that saying townreads are useless rn but then say a townread like a couple of post later when not much has changed in the game state?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:18 pm obscurity is obvious town
Wanna enlighten the class on this one? Any other reads you got?
Hmm okay. This was the red slot. Obscurity still town.
Hard Obs siding.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:00 am I am also good with wilgy kill probs cuz i was thinking like fuck I shouldn't have necessarily given up the chase on him yesterday? idk maybe he pocketed me or something idk what's happening
I went to sleep expecting a Wilgy flip. Sad.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:30 pm Saw Schia posts and I'm gonna stick with voting Wilgy.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:37 pm Actually, I'm not sure who to vote. At least not Obscurity and Creature and Falcon.

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:49 pm I'm gonna vote Wilgy or Porscha.
And Ruri's progression on me.

I don't get it. I'll admit that I feel like I'm making alot from alittle so there's quite a bit of speculation, but Ruri's just inconsistent? Nook suspicion just kinda died. A bunch of confirmed townies in the middle of their read lists. Ruri's progression on me is waffley and comes from nothing, but there's not much of anything there.

I will say, reviewing makes me think Ruri/Neon isn't a thing. Ruri/Obs, Ruri/Nook, Ruri/Porscha all feel like potential options. Nook because the suspicion there just kinda drops for no reason, but that one is kinda tinfoily.

If I ignore my read on Falcon, maybe Falc/Ruri makes sense as well, but I'd be hard pressed to think that Jack/Falcon was theater plus earlier Falcon screamed town Falcon still.

why did I even bother quoting every ruri post for you to go do it yourself

also yes i've said multiple times creature was likely the kill and sean took the hit.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:32 pm [VOTE: ruri] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:32 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
Falc, what's in your head re Neon vs me?
1 of you 2 is Maf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:42 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

AND YET??

also had to start wondering if wilgy was legitimately framed b/c I thought about it some more and wondered if wilgy was partnered with jack if he would defend that hard or not

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:52 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:43 am feel weird about Wilgy not showing up yet..

i guess i should ISO him.
Good morning my friend.

I'd have thought by now that my busy/"I have time to burst" play style would've been realized by now just based on when I normally make it to the thread but alas.

While I haven't read everything I've skimmed and thoughts are like this:
I agree with my yeet before lylo. I don't desire to be the easy misyeet that causes us to lose so if the information gained from my yeet pre lylo gets us there then I'm good with that.

With that in mind I do think we are still in a really good position and we should be able to just win by yeeting the last wolves.

I think it's absolutely an absurd thing to think I'd kill Lucy in that position after how hard I shielded Jack.

Porscha's immediate push on me, after they waffled on Jack last cycle, using what I assume is a set up NK is super fucking sketchy and I'd almost recommend that the only wagons be Porscha or I. Flip me with the promise to assess Porscha's push on me gets us a pelt, I think.

I will actually read after work today.
Lmao you tryna thunderdome with me yesterday after your performance? My feelings on jack made sense based on my half ass position in the game yesterday but multiple people waffled on his slot and I wasnt alone in that. I also sheeped lucy read because there had to be a reason she died last night and she had you and me (unsure if she finished eod still having me in poe but regardless she openly stated she was gonna run you up today) in poe. Actually yeah i kinda look like shit now that I've said it out loud lmfao

WHATEVER

I'm not sure how confident I'd be that you are like for sure wolfing or whatever based on the NK because it is painfully obvious that lucy was gonna be on your ass today. But that leaves me thinking if you are town wilgy then wolves did it to explicitly frame you since you look awful from the jack flip and a lucy nk. So I understand why you are suspicious of my push onto you thinking it might be wolf motivated but it's the obvious look that I need to do to entertain why lucy was the NK instead of nook who softed a PR or anne who buried sabi or obscurity who I should probs tinfoil cuz Lucy tinfoiled him too

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:38 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:23 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:51 am I really wanna know what you did or did not do, nook
I motion detected creature instead of wilgy cause I completely mixed up their eods
Nook ima be honest. You look a little less sexy than usual right now
What's your take on Nook?
Hes an idiot sandwich right now

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:54 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:55 pm that was more of a "i have been wrong about a lot this game, let me get paranoid that [thinking you're town] is one more thing i'm wrong on" thought

would still like people to look into Neon. i was thinking Neon/Porscha is possible, but Neon i felt more strongly about. that said, i have no experience with them or idea of their meta.
Quote the posts you saw that appear incriminating then if you're still on it about neon

@obscurity distracted by you pushing neon and nook's botched ass reveal

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:50 am Voting Neon is also ignoring the whole Anne wagon, which I refuse to believe came about purely.

I think Porscha was a big factor in it, but Wilgy/Porcha/NANOOK always has 1-2.

Anne was mostly treated as town and would be a valuable ML for mafia as I'm sure they debated night killing her.

the sad part is I really don't think I was a big factor the anne wagon but I am pretty sure I was the first person on the wagon. lol

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:12 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:21 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:25 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:11 am yeah i'm down for anne or sabi which we going first
Honestly Anne because I hang expect that if they are woofers people are going to let them live forever for no reason.
this however is a weird response then to me, but I think I have a reason why she said it. neon, please explain why you push sabi so much until I asked which first and you chose anne over sabi?
Because at this point I very much thought both Anne and Sabi were scum and I very much believed that people would shield Anne on the basis of them being a good player because my experience here on Syndicate is that people will ignore obvious scummy behavior to keep people they like/ think are good alive even if they appear to be scum. See King of the Hill mafia and how someone who appeared obviously scummy survived far longer than they should have.

My opinion on the slot gradually changed to a full blown town read over the following period of time.

that wasn't the answer I expected but that works for me as I do recall you sr'ing boht sabi and anne at one point

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:21 am
Spoiler: show
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:48 am Aaaaaanyway, I’m inclined to go along with Wilgy and Cape for reasons.

Even though Alison is leading poll for the memes, I don’t hate it. “Good evening” and “I am bored” aren’t the most thrilling takes to enter a game.
Indeed... but arguably not the most stilted entrance lol

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:56 pm The answer was Sabi btw.

Sabis entrance was incredibly stilted.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:26 pm
anne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:19 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:15 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm Nice to meet you, Jack.
Hey what’s up? Awesome to meet ya.
Not much. Just sitting back and observing in case the mafia decides to put themselves.
One already did
True.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:14 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:53 pm Town vibes:

Scotty (he's pushing on people and making too much of a show. I looked at his old games and he's not like behaving abnormally different from his town games (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2201, https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2203) but also old games)

Wikgz (feels like his usual weird self, he's doing his weird sheeping thing)

Bad vibes:

Mac: his vibes are off and he's not making much sense.

Cape: really not a fan of his opening at all

Everyone else:

Null

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:01 pm I'll swap you Anne for Lucy.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:02 pm I'll swap you lucy for sabi

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm Alright

Reads

Because you want those

Mac town
Creature town
Jack lock town

Sabi is scum yall blind

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:28 pm Sup I'm back to make 80 posts and go back to hating my ass tier life

Someone explain to me why I shouldn't kill Sabi.

Also who wants some tea?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:58 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:56 pm So all in getting from Mac and neon is they have no actual reason to scumread me and just throwing a blanket excuse of last game. Very shallow and uninspired read.

I'm bored.
I have reasons.

Nobody has given me a reason to town read you and your response to why I shouldn't scum read you is to just change the conversation.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm Lots of people town read you but exactly zero have expressed a like real reason. Sussy amogus.

Ebwop

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:33 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:20 pm Now somebody vote Sabi
I did

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:21 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:09 pm Options town have today

Miselim me
Vote out one of Lucy/Anne/Sabi

I must insist no other choices be made.

I am of the view Lucy is probably town but I won't begrudge a resolving of the random d1 wagon on her.

I will not be analysing this game in any effort oriented manner until Anne and Sabi are both dead in this game.

If you are mafia and none of the other three are mafia I am your win condition and good game.
there's 100% one scum in anne/sabi
judging by how quickly they were gonna Flashwagon me
We flashwagon you to save the *check notes*

Town commuter.

Yes that's scummy of us
who was only a wagon because of you two to begin with

and a commuter isn't a loss...
HOW WAS CAPE A WAGON BECAUSE OF ME?

TELL ME.

YOU WERE THE ONE PUSHING CAPE WAS OBV WOLF.

FUCK OUT OF HERE.
Caps lock is a scum trait

this isn't even all of it

ah whoops I forgot @DrWilgy

reasons why no neon / sabi?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:25 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:11 am yeah i'm down for anne or sabi which we going first
Honestly Anne because I hang expect that if they are woofers people are going to let them live forever for no reason.

this however is a weird response then to me, but I think I have a reason why she said it. neon, please explain why you push sabi so much until I asked which first and you chose anne over sabi?

Spoiler: show

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:48 am Aaaaaanyway, I’m inclined to go along with Wilgy and Cape for reasons.

Even though Alison is leading poll for the memes, I don’t hate it. “Good evening” and “I am bored” aren’t the most thrilling takes to enter a game.
Indeed... but arguably not the most stilted entrance lol

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:56 pm The answer was Sabi btw.

Sabis entrance was incredibly stilted.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:26 pm
anne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:19 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:15 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm Nice to meet you, Jack.
Hey what’s up? Awesome to meet ya.
Not much. Just sitting back and observing in case the mafia decides to put themselves.
One already did
True.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:14 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:53 pm Town vibes:

Scotty (he's pushing on people and making too much of a show. I looked at his old games and he's not like behaving abnormally different from his town games (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2201, https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2203) but also old games)

Wikgz (feels like his usual weird self, he's doing his weird sheeping thing)

Bad vibes:

Mac: his vibes are off and he's not making much sense.

Cape: really not a fan of his opening at all

Everyone else:

Null

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:01 pm I'll swap you Anne for Lucy.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:02 pm I'll swap you lucy for sabi

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm Alright

Reads

Because you want those

Mac town
Creature town
Jack lock town

Sabi is scum yall blind

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:28 pm Sup I'm back to make 80 posts and go back to hating my ass tier life

Someone explain to me why I shouldn't kill Sabi.

Also who wants some tea?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:58 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:56 pm So all in getting from Mac and neon is they have no actual reason to scumread me and just throwing a blanket excuse of last game. Very shallow and uninspired read.

I'm bored.
I have reasons.

Nobody has given me a reason to town read you and your response to why I shouldn't scum read you is to just change the conversation.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm Lots of people town read you but exactly zero have expressed a like real reason. Sussy amogus.

Ebwop

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:33 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:20 pm Now somebody vote Sabi
I did

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:21 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:09 pm Options town have today

Miselim me
Vote out one of Lucy/Anne/Sabi

I must insist no other choices be made.

I am of the view Lucy is probably town but I won't begrudge a resolving of the random d1 wagon on her.

I will not be analysing this game in any effort oriented manner until Anne and Sabi are both dead in this game.

If you are mafia and none of the other three are mafia I am your win condition and good game.
there's 100% one scum in anne/sabi
judging by how quickly they were gonna Flashwagon me
We flashwagon you to save the *check notes*

Town commuter.

Yes that's scummy of us
who was only a wagon because of you two to begin with

and a commuter isn't a loss...
HOW WAS CAPE A WAGON BECAUSE OF ME?

TELL ME.

YOU WERE THE ONE PUSHING CAPE WAS OBV WOLF.

FUCK OUT OF HERE.
Caps lock is a scum trait

this isn't even all of it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:09 am I sleep now. It too late. Late evening leftover pizza has been digested. Porshcha, why is my good boy bed out behind the shed?

I *will* cry, and that *is* a threat ;(

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:46 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:26 am yeah. wilgy is like my ole yeller
Was I a good boy Porscha...

you were so good. the best, even.

*scratches behind your ear with my left hand while I grab the shotgun in my right*

let's go, buddy.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:39 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:25 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.
Obs. You realize that Wilgy is only pushing for my misexe because I have been pushing wolf Wilgy 3 days in a row NKing me would be career sepuku because I have exactly one thing to follow in death and I'm the easiest target to misexe because I'm inherently going to behave "wolfy" always.

Wilgy is a fucking fantastic player he can worm his way out of a misexe by appearing towny I've been told nothing but good things about his game. I'm not. Look at my wolf games, I'm not a loud wolf I'm quiet I'm methodical but I'm afraid to make noise. I'm making lots of noise here.

Every dead player wants Wilgy dead for 3 days straight. Do you believe in confidence? Because when something appears this wolfy it just IS this wolfy more often than not. I'll apologize profusely if I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong Iam very very confident.
Neon, I am pushing for you because it makes sense. If you could make the current gamestate make sense to me otherwise, I'd probably vote there all the same? You are and have been part of the PoE. You've discussed in measures that I really do find wolfy and even further found through obs ISO, you are both valid as a Jack and Sabi teammate.

I'm glad you have confidence, but what are your reads beyond me? Who is my teammate? If you are town, I flip town, what do you think is going to happen in lylo?

Vote for me, fine, elim me, fine, but at least hunt and not just bark down the same space without adding anything else if you are town.

mmmmmm I do not think neon is able to be wolf with sabi. very unaligned

yeah. wilgy is like my ole yeller

who was that last post quoting neon lol

also yeah I dont think neon is wolf. I dont think wolf neon tunnels this hard

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.

why dont they work?

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:27 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:49 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:42 pm why dont we all flash wagon pyxxy then
hy do you insist on acting scummy?

First you spend tons of posts pushing Ruri, then drop it completely. Then you're pushing Schia. Now you're pushing me.

Note, I'm saying pushing. Not investigating, not really creating a case against because your only effort was in the Ruri case and when that didn't take hold you gave up on it really easier. Nor did you make those posts easy to digest for the rest of town. There's nothing wrong with having an investigative style that relies on re-reading and quoting as you go. But it was never made to convince anyone in a meaningful way. It was fluff to try and distract town.

You are honestly working your way out of my null reads into my bad vibes section. Your actions today and honestly a bit of yesterday too especially at EOD make no sense for a towny. Falcon is a great example of did weird shit but things that could clearly have a town benefit.

Yesterday you begged for a flash wagon and you got one. Today you're doing the same thing again.

Why are you so afraid of a Wigly flip, Porscha?
This was Pyxxy's last legacy thingy too

sure but it was a pretty bad take. I never pushed schia and I never begged for a flashwagon lol. also my read through on ruri wasn't fluff or a distraction since literally nobody cared about it and it changed nobody's mind. ruri isn't around to engage with or literally anything so what am I supposed to do after making the read, gets fully ignored, the pushed doesn't come around. yada yada.............

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:22 pm My defense is irrelevant, hes gonna go over today regardless lol

Hopefully I'm wrong and he flips red, if not I'm gonna say I told you so and ignore everyone else's reads to push my own

what are your reads exactly

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:38 pm anne [6]: Creature, pyxxy, Porscha, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie

Porscha do you think this wagon is pure? Because you seem reluctant to push either Wilgy or NANOOK, idk. If you're a villager there is 0% chance Wilgy/NANOOK doesn't have at least one (I would bet high stakes on this anyway)

I doubt it was pure but where were the other votes? was neon on wilgy still? where was falcon's vote?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:56 pm Can we kill through falcon and schia now or ?

Also @Creature gotta claim targets i think

Mine are

N3 voyeur ruri, no actions besides mine
N4 motion detect creature, positive motion
N5 track pyxxy, visited nobody

another post pushing on schia/falcon slot, schia flipped town, nook has no reason to not push falcon here?

but also was n4 when sean died? this would point to maf targeting creature and sean took the bodyguard hit? doesnt look like they tried to doc dodge n4...

I gotta go bust ass at work soon but it isn't a long shift so i'll come back and try again later. i'll find something

oscar you're cute you remind me of arogame

why doesnt anyone die

ruri: afk nonexistent
creature: wolves trying to doc dodge (or also maybe hit creature the night sean died, idk) or wolves made up doc claim and leaving creature alive to pretend like there is a doc
oscar: best argument is that he has been wolf siding but maybe he's just wolf
nook: wolves don't care enough about joat claim cuz he already used all his abilities and playing limp dick otherwise
wilgy: wolf siding by hard defending jack and then riding my ass. argument to be made that he has been particularly framed by NK's or is just wolf
neon: afk no sway
porscha: wolf siding or some shit with wilgy; idk maybe oscar is finally ready to pull the trigger on getting me out

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