The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:57 pm I'm like nervous chilling tho lol

Brad convince me its gonna be okay
Nah it's fine.

If you want to switch to Moto, then whatever it's cool with me.

Keep it between the two though.

I think if there is a town between the 3 it's most likely moto so I'm just gonna stay on jay. I just hate waiting

Yeh you self hammer if its beneficial in the same way you snap vote in lylo when its beneficial

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:57 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:23 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:03 pm Especially when you're always doing self voting and hammering
Harmful
If objectively stating what you do is harmful then stop doing it to yourself
I don't self hammer unless it's beneficial

Lmaooooo come on now

I'm like nervous chilling tho lol

Brad convince me its gonna be okay

We just chill and wait for the god forsaken flip

Yeah I guess we just go jjj and hope for the best

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:44 pm Porschaaaaa (why is my autofill for your name this?)

Outside of these 3, who would you want to kill?

I considered considering it but realizing we are probably in mylo I doubt we even make it that far, so I'll cross that bridge if we get there

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:41 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:39 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:35 pm I could do something really really stupid but idk if it would be costly or game saving.
Are you just going to leave me hanging or
It's leaving everyone hanging until it happens I'm debating it hard in my head.

Ah, it's one of *those* I see

Well, godspeed, this game needs god as its savior anyway lol

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:35 pm I could do something really really stupid but idk if it would be costly or game saving.

Are you just going to leave me hanging or

I cant convince anyone zenon is wolf over jjj anyway

Okay nobody answered me about a hammer but I dont see one in the OP so whatever

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:25 pm Cool chill awesome dope so glad we are asleep at the wheel killing a fucking maybe when I have a gurantee

Fire play guys

Like you realize we cant trust you anymore than we trusted jjj right?

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:03 pm Especially when you're always doing self voting and hammering
Harmful

If objectively stating what you do is harmful then stop doing it to yourself

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:02 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:46 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 am You don't risk the game on a maybe when you have a gurantee
You call it a guarantee, even though your read could be just as corrupt as Jay’s has proven to be. Or the killer cannot be tracked. Or various other mech difficulties.

There is no objective guarantee with this.
Well I mean I know I'm the role I claim with the results I claim so like yes it's a guarantee fmpov

But like are you willing to risk the game on trying to play "is Zenon lying?"
That's every game we play that you're also in lol
True. Wanna risk mylo on it though? I don't.

Then why are you offering to do it? Unless flipping you wouldnt end the game cuz you're wolfing and just using the tactic to wifom scare off anyone from your wagon lol...

Like if jjj is wolf what numbers advantage do they even get pulling that gambit *yesterday*? Knowing that meatbaby flips town. I can clearly see the motive behind a wolf neon going after a town moto here though, with how close we are in numbers. But i cant explicitly find a reason to say they are entirely unpaired, because brad's theory is possible too. This is gonna sound dumb cuz duh, but the wolves have more info than what has been revealed in thread I think, so I think they are pulling a gambit here to try and win. Which leads me back to thinking moto is scapegoat. So in a best world scenario (I think?): moto and jjj are town, zenon wolf. If either go over, solid chance we just lose today. Worst case scenario (I think?): jjj and zenon are wolf together and actually just fake claimed their way to a win

In both scenarios i think moto is likely town, so wagons at end of day should probably be between jjj and zenon. Unless anyone wants to correct me.

I honestly think the biggest thing zenon has going for her claim is that moto isnt obv town, I also think moto could easily be lhf that the wolves have let live this long to scapegoat with since he has been really - and I mean really - low impact all game

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:11 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.
What do you mean
What I said earlier with the "JJJ is maf that faked a red check on Meat and got him yeeted, so Zenon also is maf faking a red check on a town in hopes that we fall for it again" post.
So you think it's most likely w/w?

Lol wait but you also think moto is wolf? Doesnt that seem kind of incongruent? Unless this is a bus on moto?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:52 pm Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

+

Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?
To be fair yesterday was not 6v4

And why are you shading sean here?

I mean I'd also like an answer to the question lol, but the way you put it felt like unnecessary shade

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.
What do you mean
What I said earlier with the "JJJ is maf that faked a red check on Meat and got him yeeted, so Zenon also is maf faking a red check on a town in hopes that we fall for it again" post.

So you think it's most likely w/w?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:52 pm Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

+

Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?

To be fair yesterday was not 6v4

And why are you shading sean here?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.

What do you mean

Especially when you're always doing self voting and hammering

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:46 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 am You don't risk the game on a maybe when you have a gurantee
You call it a guarantee, even though your read could be just as corrupt as Jay’s has proven to be. Or the killer cannot be tracked. Or various other mech difficulties.

There is no objective guarantee with this.
Well I mean I know I'm the role I claim with the results I claim so like yes it's a guarantee fmpov

But like are you willing to risk the game on trying to play "is Zenon lying?"

That's every game we play that you're also in lol

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:38 am It’s lylo if it’s 6 vs 4, moto flips town and mafia reaches parity with night kill.

Same if we flip you, just like you said, which is insane talk coming from town in this scenario.

It may also be gg if mafia has the mechanical votes.

Yeah... kinda insane...

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:37 am Look. I fucking hate mech. I wouldn't be bringing it up unless I'm telling the truth or making a wolf gambit. And I am willing to die to prove that it's the truth

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:29 am I say we flip the moto read. That's my Occam take. If we lose, gg, congrats wolfs.

Zenon being town and asking to be flipped is a self-destructive town move or a wolf flaunt. Welcome to WIFOMville.

Wouldnt it just give us a better chance to flip in zenon/jjj? If belzy's w/w theory is correct then it's an auto miss. If between the 2 its 1 town 1 wolf then it's probably better to flip the one potentially framing moto no? Or are we getting boned on points here, cuz I'm not keeping track of that stuff

Also is there a hammer

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:35 pm Low key the mech stuff kinda slowed this game down a lot.

However doesn't help that it's been all town deaths as well and motivation is just tanking.

.....

Annnnnnd the few super active players died.

Which like...again that Scotty Day 1 yeet I'm mostly pointing at as one of the worst moves I've seen for a Day 1 because that dude was obviously town.

I'm almost incapable of scumreading scotty I think. Idk how anyone does it

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:20 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:15 am Guys if JJJ's a wolf pulling that off he accomplished getting a town killed over him.
Exactly. I am not even surprised Meatbaby flipped town. JJJ was my top scumread. And still is. Especially now he lied. A rule: town does not lie.

And in cases when town give you the results they recieved with no reason to doubt said results but the results were incorrect?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:09 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:04 am Also to think.

Day 2 was Ringo banished from speaking, and Night 3 we have Rondo flipping town.

Day 3 Zenon is banished and is coming back the next day.

Did mafia banish their own teammate to WIFOM it and to make us all believe Zenon be town because of it?
I have to speak my mind that this has the potential to turn into a massive WIFOM wormhole.

I still don’t exactly townread you for shit, so how do I trust that you aren’t brewing this narrative.

To be fair I think I was the first one to bring up other possibilities, lime just kept running with it and finding other ideas I hadn't considered

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:11 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:08 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:04 am Also to think.

Day 2 was Ringo banished from speaking, and Night 3 we have Rondo flipping town.

Day 3 Zenon is banished and is coming back the next day.

Did mafia banish their own teammate to WIFOM it and to make us all believe Zenon be town because of it?
You're making me more miserable by the minute with the 25 different wolfing possibilities
Did rondo ever explain what happened with him when he was silenced?
He had to watch Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, and Justice League all on repeat until Day 3 when he was released.

Ain't no way

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:56 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:49 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:45 am I am missing the mastermind element behind JJJ’s claim, I really do. You were on heat and wanted to delay things and win one more mislynch, ok, perhaps. But otherwise, it’s no mastermind move. It’s masterdumb.
Writing was on the wall for the guy...idk if it was fully happening, but it was closing in on him.

Kamikaze a town that wasn't considered a yeet for most of the game.

Now let me ask you about the other side of the coin here:

Do you really think JJJ tries that as town?
The fact that I took JJJ for a town tracker, eager to share the info, if a bit superficial in his analysis (that his tracked visit was the killer’s visit), is proof that I believed he would have done down as town.

The only surprise on Day 3 was that the flip was town, not that JJJ was seen town for it:

Yes this is a good way of putting it thank you

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:45 am I am missing the mastermind element behind JJJ’s claim, I really do. You were on heat and wanted to delay things and win one more mislynch, ok, perhaps. But otherwise, it’s no mastermind move. It’s masterdumb.

This is a huge part of why I'm concerned though, what purpose does jjj get from intentionally lying specifically about meatbaby? He had a couple votes, sure, but it wasnt late in the day, he had time. What does wolf jjj gain from a play like this when he wasnt in serious danger anyway. There isnt a hammer either. So why would jjj be so under pressure to make up a claim like that

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:04 am Also to think.

Day 2 was Ringo banished from speaking, and Night 3 we have Rondo flipping town.

Day 3 Zenon is banished and is coming back the next day.

Did mafia banish their own teammate to WIFOM it and to make us all believe Zenon be town because of it?

You're making me more miserable by the minute with the 25 different wolfing possibilities
Did rondo ever explain what happened with him when he was silenced?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:03 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:30 am Again this is rough because all motobot has done has just been talking about what they've been doing, which becomes reasons why they haven't done anything.
And then vote at me because I called them out on that.

And literally nothing else.
No reads.
No attempted game solving.

Nothing.

Like I hate the fact that this could be town. I want this to be mafia. I'd actually rather yeet this after JJJ and hope it's the latter option.
To be fair if I was a child playing FM for thr first time I'd be surprised if I even did that much
....

How old is he?

I dont know but I remember the term "child" was used and this made me think like 13 or younger since the word teenager wasnt used, but I could have misunderstood lol

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:38 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:04 am So I can't really respond to like most things
Another reason to not trust Zenon just yet.

So like what are you saying? You think wolf zenon is trying to get moto wagoned to save wolf partner jjj?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:30 am Again this is rough because all motobot has done has just been talking about what they've been doing, which becomes reasons why they haven't done anything.
And then vote at me because I called them out on that.

And literally nothing else.
No reads.
No attempted game solving.

Nothing.

Like I hate the fact that this could be town. I want this to be mafia. I'd actually rather yeet this after JJJ and hope it's the latter option.

To be fair if I was a child playing FM for thr first time I'd be surprised if I even did that much

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:26 am Like I don't know how to take the Zenon claim at all at this rate after what happened Day 3.

Legit could be seeing it as the maf team just flat out deciding "Let's just continue to claim red checks on towns now that the numbers are on our side."

But also could be them accidentally causing the best form of WIFOM and Zenon's check is actually real, but the JJJ's fake ends up making us have second thoughts on the matter and we end up misyeeting Zenon on accident because we end up assuming it's another attempt at tricking the town and wolves win anyways.

"Now, Brad, which one do you think it is?"

Dude I don't fucking know.

Why did you have to make me consider another world like this. Pain

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:41 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:38 am okay cool my most important thoughts were not responded to. cool cool
I focused on the first point, if you mean me.

I dunno about projecting why motobot was the killer. Perhaps they considered it low chance for him to be a target (block, track, etc)

He has been poe especially from tutuu, that wouldnt make sense

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:58 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:59 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:20 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:21 pm I don't want to say it like this, but it's needed to be said.

JJJ would know better than to basically fake a red as a town.

It's straight forward they ended up trading 1 for another.
Plus JJJ has only lynched town so far. That includes the fake red check. I was going to vote JJJ last day, until the claim, so once Meatball flipped town, I felt a I knew it!
oh okay never mind I dont understand your perspective
What's not to understand?

I misread your first comment to mean you thought jjj might be town and then made that post which is clearly different lol

okay cool my most important thoughts were not responded to. cool cool

I bet I cant even make use of the wood because of the rain ugh

[VOTE: Spinach & Mushroom Risotto] aubergine

like maybe i'm too worried about the sort - of - unlikely, but if there traditional roles like tracker, what's to say there isn't a redirector type role? or false read kind of role?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:56 pm This is the weirdest process of analysis I'm experiencing, every detail or angle raises a BUT/YET caveat

It's within reason that JJJ fake claimed to save his skin D3 and push all play into a lock-on vote, BUT was his wagon that dire as to merit this gambit (instead of fighting it out)?
-- same question if Zenon's claim is now the fake one, this is not a lylo phase (unless there's a double kill and we reach parity toNight?)
It's within reason that JJJ fake claimed to save his skin D3, YET why or to what purpose delay his lynch by just one phase, virtually?
JJJ fake claimed a track role, BUT does JJJ fit the profile of a player so bold / un-thorough in his gambit'ing, as to have banked on there being no actual track role to counter-claim?
Apart from two details, JJJ's and Zenon's ability claim are the same, BUT is that reasonable, within the design and balance of this game?
Two civilian track roles is a posibility, BUT is that balanced?
A mafia track role to counter a civilian track role is a design/balance posibility, BUT what would the track role, designed in this fashion, truly serve the mafia?
etc. I'll fill up further this thought process.

what was his wagon like? how many votes did he get?
I was having impure thoughts of jjj being a real tracker and wolves taking advantage of something like a redirector that gave him a false result and then counter claiming the tracker
cuz also like, what are the chances the wolves would sent moto to do a kill when, if jjj is really a wolf, he would be outed today. why not just send him? moto has also been in the poe quite a bit, it generally seems like a risky move to send him regardless of the jjj situation. i'm worried about this scenario and nobody seems to have considered it

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:31 pm Feels too on the nose to be a scum play from JJJ but like I literally won't try to save him lol

I love that we think alike (part 2)

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:20 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:21 pm I don't want to say it like this, but it's needed to be said.

JJJ would know better than to basically fake a red as a town.

It's straight forward they ended up trading 1 for another.
Plus JJJ has only lynched town so far. That includes the fake red check. I was going to vote JJJ last day, until the claim, so once Meatball flipped town, I felt a I knew it!

oh okay never mind I dont understand your perspective

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:17 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:09 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:07 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:17 pm Motobaby is wolf I'm Lookout I watched Rondo last night bet bet
Can you be more specific about this role or info (within rule 3's limits, of course)?

We've been through "I tracked this = outed gg gg" already.
I see every one who visits a target

I watched Rondo

Moto visited

Moto killed

Moto is scum

GGs
Is this an attempt to save JJJ?

I love that we think alike

there's no way I came back to a meatbaby town flip lol

I must take my leave, wolf has been voted

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:39 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:30 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:27 pm Can someone tell me why meat baby is wagon before I sheep walk into it please
JJJ watched a watch, yelled out "WHAAAAAAT TIME IS IIIIITTTTTT!?!?!?!" and we all jumped on Meatbaby.
If jjj hadn't responded to me I would have no idea what this post meant brad lol
If JJJ hadn't responded I wouldn't have said that and actually told you what happened.

You're suddenly such a nice guy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:33 pm Why didnt you use your ability n1?
tutuu protected me night 1, and I liked my chances more to get a hit night 2

Mmm I forgot about the neighborhood thing right

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