The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:43 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:52 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:25 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

but why?

it reads as extremely post-facto, which is a phrase I just made up

it's a read based entirely in the past and with little risk to the present

it looks like work, but with the thread somewhat leaving Porscha alone and thus spewing her as town, along with Porscha's obvious solving, this is a lot of words to make a read look more thoughtful and developed than it actually is

it's not solving to post "Porscha town and uhhhhh the wagons look gr8, better flip both of them to be super sure there's not a wolf in there"

you know SPF hasn't been here day 1 right?

yeah but it was still a pretty pointless post to make
just stacking a tr onto a universally tr'd player post town flip with the other person in mention (robyn) is like. what's the point really

it was pointless for me to explain my townread on you when someone specifically asked me to>? ok lol

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:36 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:17 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:11 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:08 pm I like to believe LC submitted the first song and nutella the latter

That's my thought as well, and I'm voting for the song I like the most, but I'd switch to vote out LC (assuming the songs are correct)

like voting for LC's song saves him. not vice versa

Yeah, but he's going over, so I don't really care right now. If that changes, I'll change





Assuming

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:19 pm I'm literally voting alongside 3 wolf leans and I dislike this

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:11 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:08 pm I like to believe LC submitted the first song and nutella the latter

That's my thought as well, and I'm voting for the song I like the most, but I'd switch to vote out LC (assuming the songs are correct)

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:38 am nutella
Voters: Long Con, staypositivefriend, Cape90, pyxxy

Long Con
Voters: LoRab, nutella

in a closer world I was tempted to just lurk and vote late (along the same logic of who I think submitted which song) to see if maybe scum would look to save their teammate

although now I write than and realize, I assume scum are also honor bounded to not tell their teammates which song is theirs?

otherwise that would be messsssyyyyyyy

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:53 pm Long Con
pyxxy
Cape90
Porscha
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca
Sheep
DrWilgy
LoRab
nutella

TonyStarkPrime

I mean... my reads are usually notoriously wrong, but this is kind of a generalization of where I think I stand.

After I flip, I hope everyone goes back through LoRab's posts, which I think are the posts of a Wolf that needed to choose a stance. She thought going anti-LC was a good route, but please notice that for all the accusations of "sowing seeds of chaos" and "chaos posting ridiculousness to distract us", she has not been able to identify a single post of mine that fits that description.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm The truly funny thing is that LC knows that I’m not going to be able to convince this group I’m right that he’s bad. Because it’s based on meta. And I haven’t been back long enough for the new wave of players doesn’t get how I think—and certainly doesn’t know which players I can accurately read. (There is only 1 player whom I could read better than LC—and if that player ever returned, I’m pretty sure I’d still be able to read him, as I can LC). But nearly no one knows that history.

Wilgy could theoretically remember, but I don’t think we played that much together—and that he would necessarily remember. But you know who does know this? Nutella.

And thinking that through, has caused me to start suspecting her. I am starting to believe that no matter which of them wins, the mafia loses a vote in the game and gains a prize.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:25 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:45 pm kinda think that porscha's convicftion about robyn being mafia on page 4 was coming from a real place

What makes you think that? I think Porscha's town as well.

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

but why?

it reads as extremely post-facto, which is a phrase I just made up

it's a read based entirely in the past and with little risk to the present

it looks like work, but with the thread somewhat leaving Porscha alone and thus spewing her as town, along with Porscha's obvious solving, this is a lot of words to make a read look more thoughtful and developed than it actually is

it's not solving to post "Porscha town and uhhhhh the wagons look gr8, better flip both of them to be super sure there's not a wolf in there"

you know SPF hasn't been here day 1 right?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:20 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:34 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:53 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:02 pm what is going on here lol

it's a repeat of Timelines Mafia

town is once again slacking

I have once again solved the game

Long Con is once again ignoring my solve

He's not ignoring it. He's bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:30 pm and yeah it does look like we'll be up against each other today so I do have to hope you're a hit but nothing you're doing is really causing any doubt

He's so clearly bad. He's spreading chaos. Like he does when he's evil. FEBbers gonna FEB.

He isn't even trying to pretend to seem civ at this point.

What kind of chaos is Long Con spreading? Usually when I think of mafia spreading things to cause confusion it's with like... PR claims and throwing as much at the wall as possible to disorientate town from the actual solve. Like Long Con seems fairly set in suspecting DrWilgy/nutella and really has not strayed from that

He has mentioned me a few times. And has just been posting ridiculousness. He’s trying to distract us.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:25 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:45 pm kinda think that porscha's convicftion about robyn being mafia on page 4 was coming from a real place

What makes you think that? I think Porscha's town as well.

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

but why?

it reads as extremely post-facto, which is a phrase I just made up

it's a read based entirely in the past and with little risk to the present

it looks like work, but with the thread somewhat leaving Porscha alone and thus spewing her as town, along with Porscha's obvious solving, this is a lot of words to make a read look more thoughtful and developed than it actually is

it's not solving to post "Porscha town and uhhhhh the wagons look gr8, better flip both of them to be super sure there's not a wolf in there"

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:06 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Aye, so it is in fact risky for a wolf to say. Wolves, who are too wrong too often, inevitably run the course of 'why are they wrong so much? Oh, its because they are a wolf' by enabling being wrong, for seemingly no reward, all it does is add content to the thread that help us explore LoRab's headspace. I don't think a W actively needs to do that, so why would W LoRab do this?

There definitely is a sense of 'credit' when a flip hasn't happened yet. It goes back to the 'correct vs incorrect' at the very least, LoRab would've obtained the argument 'BUT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT W ROBYN' vote placed or not.

Pretty sure SPF saw the same thing and said specifically, if LoRab was a wolf, that the post is clever, and I agree with that completely. If LoRab is a wolf and made that post, it very effectively broke down a sense of TMI in town observers and also put them on the incorrect side of the flip, trading that cushion for a firm appearance as town. I really don't think wolves inherently do that, if W LoRab did it was in fact very lv3 wolf play, and thus it's just more likely a town play.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

Abi as a player makes very good town reads regardless of alignment. They either utilize TMI OR they are just good at town reading the correct players. When Abi is correct too often or incorrect too often, can you find the reason as to why they were incorrect? That's how you find Abi's alignment. If Abi gives an unearned tr that is incorrect, you probably found their partner. When Abi doesn't give a tr that should be more obvious, that's where you've found their push. It's very much a meta call on this behavior, but it's observable and I've seen it several times now. Abi is hard to read d1 and easier to read late game because of this and thus the read on Abi becomes 'inevitable.'

slightly bothered by this and the Abi segment in general

Why?

Seemed like a good way to leverage weight into Princess Abigail's reads. Especially since, I really am not sure I agree with them

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:33 pm Dammit lol,

I kinda wanna swap from LC to Cape, but should reread both wagons first. I didn't trust my gut enough during Wolfwalkers and it's making me desire to be more impulsive, in spite of rationally thinking figuring out the wolf between LC and Nutella would be super valuable.

No, don't. I'm looking forward to playing my song.

I will respect your wishes.

I do wish I had time to iso Cape before EoD. If one of you beautiful people could do that for me and lmk what you think Idt appreciate it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:46 am dis what i'm feeling

TonyStarkPrime - ???
☆Princess Abigail☆ - rip town
LoRab - town
robyn - rip town
Porscha - town
nutella - poe probs diff check with LC as of now
Sheep - town
Cape90 - merh poe
Long Con - poe probs diff check with nutella as of now
staypositivefriend - tinfoil poe
falcon45ca - town
DrWilgy - town
pyxxy - town

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:22 am I've got you.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:33 pm Let's play a game of would you vote.

I give names, y'all say if you'd vote or not.

TSP
Falc
LC

Yes.
No.
Yes.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:37 pm LoRab
Nut
Sheep

Yes
No
Yes

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:48 pm Abi
SPF
Wilgy

No
Yes
No

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:15 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:14 am this is an entirely new side of Long Con

Long Con on Drugs

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