The Syndicate

If I was a lesser man I'd just self preservation on falcon but at least I had a day 1 read on him which is more a read than I can grasp from half the player list and unless I really have to self pres closer to deadline, I would like to pressure sig

You can't point to anything I've done as scummy and while your meta reason to scumread me is inarguably "valid" it isn't a strong reason and you know long con I respect you as a player and I think a good player like you could and should come up with a better reason to scumread specifically me here when there are other people perfectly warranting your attention equally or more than me

Like. Sig has contributed nothing. Why is he allowed to do fuck all but here I am providing content (your original excuse to sr me , which then turned into meta read excuse to sr me)

And he does so little the entire game forgets he exists but I'm scumread for not doing enough? It doesn't make sense and it isn't fair

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:30 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:27 pm @Long Con have I been wolfy or have I been what you don't expect town porscha to look like, they are 2 separate things, and I would prefer if you could tell me I'm the former and not the latter, the latter feels bad to hear when I am in fact town
You are not the same as your last two Town games, so let's combine the two options into something like, "You have been different from what Town Porscha looks like, and I think that is Wolfy."

Can you read me off something other than meta please?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:33 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:29 pm Also why did nobody else engage with moto's logic on voting me... it's objectively strange play unless we just are holding the youngins to a lower standard

Which is OK btw, just. It's part of why I am struggling to engage
Someone did. You did. Seems appropriate.

For me, if moto believes that Abigail is your Wolf partner and was dropping an inconsequential vote on you for distancing... and that leads him to vote you, which I obviously approve of... then there's nothing I need to engage with?

It's too uncritical imo

Also why did nobody else engage with moto's logic on voting me... it's objectively strange play unless we just are holding the youngins to a lower standard

Which is OK btw, just. It's part of why I am struggling to engage

@Long Con have I been wolfy or have I been what you don't expect town porscha to look like, they are 2 separate things, and I would prefer if you could tell me I'm the former and not the latter, the latter feels bad to hear when I am in fact town

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 2:07 pm I looked at Town Porscha in the Game of Champions, and she was much more involved and accusational than she is in this game.

I looked at Town Porscha Battle of the Bands, and she's very aggressively hunting in the first two days.

I even wrote an essay about it:

Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:38 pm ok I expect an essay on why I'm the best mafia player for voting a wolf

Why Porscha Is The Best Mafia Player

Porscha is amazing at Mafia. She's very skilled because she votes for the people everyone says is Mafia, and she does so fearlessly, without equivocation. The way she places a vote like that is an absolute shining beacon of towniness, especially when contrasted with others who speak out one side of their mouths. The object of the game is to win, and Porscha has shown great WIM and confidence, in a way that will get the Townies there, if they can just get with it.

When players call out a player as suspicious, or wolfy, but then don't vote there, it's often a sign that they don't really know what they're saying, or, commonly, they are just Wolves who are trying to see what they are allowed to say. Porscha exhibits none of those qualities. Instead, she makes a clear-headed, straightforward statement in the thread, and in the poll: This is the player that I suspect, and it's not about what everyone else thinks, it's about what I think! Undeniably towny, and more likely to finish the game in the Win column.

Many players have been seen talking about certain suspicions, and yet not casting a vote to follow up with them. Even when a suspicion seems to be nigh-universal, players are seen to ask others if they should be voting for their suspicion. This indicates a concern with how they are seen by other players, as though they know that the fake suspicion they are peddling will come back on them if they push it too hard. These players come across as wishy-washy, indecisive, and pandering. Not so with Porscha! A fearless vote for a shameless suspicion, and those sad-handed pleasers be damned. Strong, and respectable.

The ultimate goal is to win, and to eliminate players not on your team. A player like Porscha exhibits the better qualities of such a winner, and, as actions become results, so too is Porscha more likely to become a winner. Self-doubt, second-guessing, and pandering to the masses, are things that Porscha leaves behind, unwanted and unneeded. With a laser-focus on a victorious endgame, Porscha sets an example for us all, to be better winners, and by extension, better players.

In conclusion, Porscha is probably the number one townread in the game at this time, due to her skillful voting, confident suspicions, and winning clarity and acumen. This player deserves everybody's respect and admiration, and, if they are able, emulation.

Porscha in this game is nothing like her previous two games where she was town.

It's been a really slow game with multiple players I am unfamiliar with, I do not have to be the same person every game to rand town

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 12:01 pm What everyone thinks about Falcon?

Today's posts are not solving and I should read his all Iso who is not long, but also I want other opinions.

Too inactive to have thoughts past day 1

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 11:56 am
Simon wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:56 pm Brad isn't exactly off the hook either, and there are a couple of reasons as to why.

The first reason lies within his behavior throughout the duration from day 2 to now. I've noticed that ever since the large debate between Brad and the recently resurrected leetic, Brad has had quite the temper since then. He may have also felt psychologically corned seeing as leetic was getting more people who trusted him. Ok some people trusted him and that includes myself, but others didn't. Brad on the other hand, only had a small amount of people who trusted him. (I even recall someone saying that said debate did nothing to move the game along after I said it was riveting, even though it started as the first piece of the puzzle that would lead up to how I was able to deduce this. But I'm getting off topic. Anyway, I suspect Brad is trying to use this temper in such a way to make others believe that he is being sincere. It's possible that he isn't holding much of any grudges anymore, but even so, this has not been overlooked.

The second reason is that he's been awfully quiet when it comes to accusations, especially when someone asks him a question or two. While it isn't illegal to dodge questions, I do believe it will make that person more suspicious the more it happens. I have read some replies of his that look like they were suggesting that he was shooting down different kinds of speculations from others. In other words, I haven't really seen him agree with anyone lately. And keep in mind, he hasn't really given much info lately either, so there is a bit of hypocrisy in this, but of course, I could be misremembering things, so please correct me if I am wrong about anything.
Blue text: what exactly makes you thinl he is faking it?
About the second part, it is better to show with posts such things because I didn't notice.
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:20 am
motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 4:53 pm I just realized my last post might not make sense after re-reading it. So to go into further detail Abigail was hesitant to vote Porscha, but she did anyway. I believe Abigail found out that even if she voted Porscha the vote would still lose.
uh I dont get it but I also dont really know how to interact with children so i'ma just say I dont get it and leave it at that lol
I think we always play with children, but we don't know it most of the time and I think we should have a normal/usual interaction.
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:26 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 12:11 am brad better be town and like yeah it's for the reasons that we all know it is and actually I'd love it if he were a wolf and therefore I thikn we should chop him to prove that he can do it
relatable
No, we don't chop Brad to show that.
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:29 am what was it? if I get voted you will see my flip?
Like we saw Leetic's flip, right?
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am @long con why me over michelle, for example
What's your read on me, Porscha?

Idk I don't townread you much, you've been sitting null for me, I'm having a hard time sorting you. Sorry

motobot wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:16 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:43 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:20 am
motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 4:53 pm I just realized my last post might not make sense after re-reading it. So to go into further detail Abigail was hesitant to vote Porscha, but she did anyway. I believe Abigail found out that even if she voted Porscha the vote would still lose.
uh I dont get it but I also dont really know how to interact with children so i'ma just say I dont get it and leave it at that lol
I like, *want* to be able to interact with the chillens so i'm gonna attempt this

@motobot

wat

I *think* I know what you are implying, but it relies entirely on the premise that you randomly surmised exists by virtue of saying it lol.

1) why do you think abigail had special voting information?
2) why does that ability inherently make her a wolf?
3) and then why does she choose to do what I think you are implying she does?
Because if you read enough you could figure out that leetic had more votes than you.
Abigail was unwilling to vote you but still did. Why vote someone if you don't believe they are wolf. And by voting you if you flipped wolf in the future she would look less suspicious.
Now I believe I answered all of your questions but I could've misunderstood one.

Moto I would like you to ask yourself why, if abigsil is a wolf, would she vote someone (leetic) who she knows will flip town and make her look bad. And it would make her look bad, she isn't very active and didn't have her own scumread on leetic. So it would look like a thoughtless sheep. She could have voted anybody else regardless of alignment to avoid that exact predicament.

So tell me- why didn't this occur to you and why are you preflipping Abigail to preflip yet someone else? Don't you think youre getting ahead of yourself in this thought process? If I flip today, and you will see I am town, will you still think Abigail is a wolf?

It isn't good practice to engage in the logic you're engaging in, in my personal opinion. It's an easy way to flip 2 town if you're a wolf.

And if you're town then it's just not a strategy that behoove you or the rest of the town. Hope this helps

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 5:43 am @Porscha

Soooo yeah obviously you're seeing yourself being voted and there's a chance you go down.

I would love to save you, but I burned my "rally the troops" time yesterday. If I wanted to try to force things again I would need a strong scumread and for it to hit or else I just look like an even bigger jackass.

I'd again be glad to try to follow you and help you get someone voted out that you scumread. Idk if you really have one but even if it's a slight scumread it's more than what I've got.

Brad I love you n all that but this means nothing to me and I don't really townread you lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 9:39 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am @long con why me over michelle, for example
@Long Con
Convince me.

No I was asking why you would choose me over her based on the singular criteria you were voting me for lol

I wanted your thought process on why you specifically chose me over someone else who could probably be described as having a similar amount of content or whatever

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:20 am
motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 4:53 pm I just realized my last post might not make sense after re-reading it. So to go into further detail Abigail was hesitant to vote Porscha, but she did anyway. I believe Abigail found out that even if she voted Porscha the vote would still lose.
uh I dont get it but I also dont really know how to interact with children so i'ma just say I dont get it and leave it at that lol

I like, *want* to be able to interact with the chillens so i'm gonna attempt this

@motobot

wat

I *think* I know what you are implying, but it relies entirely on the premise that you randomly surmised exists by virtue of saying it lol.

1) why do you think abigail had special voting information?
2) why does that ability inherently make her a wolf?
3) and then why does she choose to do what I think you are implying she does?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am @long con why me over michelle, for example

@Long Con

ah right

@long con why me over michelle, for example

well I guess things would make more sense if that happened at least. SURE WOULD BE A SHAME TO BE TARGETED FOR A NIGHT KILL

what was it? if I get voted you will see my flip?

like especially if you compare to me half the player list lol...

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 5:55 pm Don't really agree with voting out Porscha.
Yes, but your reasons are largely personal. I thought her ISO was practically devoid of content and engagement. I'll have another look now.

its really not devoid of content, I don't think that's a fair assessment

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 12:11 am brad better be town and like yeah it's for the reasons that we all know it is and actually I'd love it if he were a wolf and therefore I thikn we should chop him to prove that he can do it

relatable

motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 4:53 pm I just realized my last post might not make sense after re-reading it. So to go into further detail Abigail was hesitant to vote Porscha, but she did anyway. I believe Abigail found out that even if she voted Porscha the vote would still lose.

uh I dont get it but I also dont really know how to interact with children so i'ma just say I dont get it and leave it at that lol

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 2:20 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:15 am I for one will not blindly trust leetic.
I probs won't vote for any of the kids today---ffs I am a YaYa how could I?
Plan on taking my time this round.
I'm with you on this. I'm giving limited trust, but not entire. Having seen rezzed players become evil zombies, I'm always wary. that said, I haven't seen anything specific from leetic to make me suspish, as of now.

His win con can't change

It doesn't feel like it, heeellppp

Wait am I dumb lol is the briefcase a metaphor for a wolf

Okay guys haha seriously please someone acknowledge the briefcase

seriously though. about that briefcase

idk i dont feel like i've been obv town to deserve such a read brad lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:53 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 11:50 pm @Lime Coke if you've been paying attention this whole time, how can your reads be the same? shouldn't leetic coming back to life and being confirmed town change something, anything for you?
whenever I tunnel someone to death and they flip town I just cross them off my reads list and leave everything else the same

same. this is the way of the warrior

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:57 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:22 am I honestly assumed the game was about to be flipless since wilgy had zero info but that's clearly not the case so I dont know why he didnt flip but leetic did flip
night flips don't flip, day flips do flip, semi-standard, I've seen it a lot

youre so smart (actually upon reading this I think someone else mentioned it earlier and I just entirely forgot)

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:45 pm If there is no recruitment, then what other factors can change a player's win condition?

Note that leetic's Nick Fury role contains this ability: "You are loyal to your cause. You cannot change your win condition. Instead, you can target someone each Night and convince that person to return to his or her original win condition."

Maybe I'm super supremo ultra obsessive compulsive about this... but I'd have to be convinced there's NOT recruitnig happening in this game, based on this role description.

recruiting is def possible, only other thing I can think of is maybe people can change their win con by changing sides voluntarily? since it specifically says "original win condition"

town win con is you know. town win via parity etc
maf win con is you know. maf win via parity etc

3rd win con - probably a little more specific than the generic town and mafia win cons, so maybe they can recruit

sounds like regardless, characters can swap teams

just not sure on the how

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:39 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think more likely that neither indy kills at this point. And that hydra kills nightly.

Also, you seem super obsessed with this recruiting idea--which we don't actually know is a thing.
You are in hyperbole mode right now.
Hyperbole is an excellent rhetorical device.

an insanely incredible rhetorical device, even

if it wasn't her then idk. whack

if she was the one who said they thought leetic was uber towny then uh. makes sense to me!

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm How did leetic come back to life, and was S~V~S an exchange, or an unrelated regular nightkill?

sounds like a life swap to me imo

meme'ing at the speed of light

okay i need to relax i'll be back later lol

born to meme

sorry long con had to meme

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think it is a terrible and dangerous assumption to make that the indy roles don't have secret powers that didn't appear in the OP.
I think that is too alarmist, but there's probably other things. I've already decided Thanos is recruiting, so if you have something worse than that then you can go Chicken Little about it.

So Thanos is probably recruiting. So, Long Con is Thanos because he is incredibly insistent there is a recruiting mechanic that Thanos has.

I honestly assumed the game was about to be flipless since wilgy had zero info but that's clearly not the case so I dont know why he didnt flip but leetic did flip

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think it is a terrible and dangerous assumption to make that the indy roles don't have secret powers that didn't appear in the OP.

I think it can be assumed every role has more than 1 ability and the singular abilities have only been breadcrumbed and we only get full reveals upon that person's death

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:25 pm The thing says "If Hydra is eliminated" so I don't think 3P kills yet until all mafs are gone?
Sounds like Deadpool takes over Hydra's kills, which means that Thanos(' team) kills odd nights.... OR Hydra kills every night, and Thanos goes odd and Deadpool goes even after they are gone.

does thanos "recruit" in the lore? I dont recall that being a feature of thanos but i'm not a buff, i'm a filthy casual

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.

kek lamow

Honestly that's pretty swag lol

How do we find the briefcase though

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:29 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:22 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:29 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:32 am @Roxy in response to what you asked me about wilgy

and tsp can read this too, if he's able

I simply have reasons to believe that there are a lot of power roles in play (this is a reason we should all believe, in fact,) and that while I think it's okay to assume a possible world where wilgy was the target of the nk from wolves, it should not be fully assumed as the truth because mechanics cannot be outed in thread

so what i'm trying to say is that we should be utilizing a balancing act in how much we believe a theory that cannot actually be proven true or false

if leetic had btsc with wilgy last night and believed he was town, then sure, that's something I am willing to assume is more likely than not (as I am proposing in how we should approach all things of this nature in the game) and I wasn't here for end of day cuz workscha so I took brad's conviction at more than face value since t hat's where I thought the conviction came from

though I initially had worries about him for raisins... w hich is still possible but I also kinda doubt wolf brad powerwolves out leetic here so idk lol maybe he's just town though again, like, I didn't love that he hasn't seemed to question my alignment at all whatsoever, but idk maybe he really took my masonry suggestion quite seriously lol
So you think the mafia cannot kill nightly?
You think a towny killed Wigly?
You think a 3rd party killed Wigly?

And ofc everyone knows and understands there are a lot of power roles bc this is a heist game.
I am saying it is possible wilgy may not have been the initial target, among other possibilities
Mafia could have been rb'd and wilgys role let's him live thru the night after lynch and die at next day start
It could have been mafia and not the factional
Only reason I'd say it's unlikely from town alignment is cuz it probably would have been claimed

Just saying there are many pastabilities
I bet you're on my side when I say, what would it take to not hear about it again?

Lol

Back to, even

Ok back go being sus on Michelle as well

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:29 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:32 am @Roxy in response to what you asked me about wilgy

and tsp can read this too, if he's able

I simply have reasons to believe that there are a lot of power roles in play (this is a reason we should all believe, in fact,) and that while I think it's okay to assume a possible world where wilgy was the target of the nk from wolves, it should not be fully assumed as the truth because mechanics cannot be outed in thread

so what i'm trying to say is that we should be utilizing a balancing act in how much we believe a theory that cannot actually be proven true or false

if leetic had btsc with wilgy last night and believed he was town, then sure, that's something I am willing to assume is more likely than not (as I am proposing in how we should approach all things of this nature in the game) and I wasn't here for end of day cuz workscha so I took brad's conviction at more than face value since t hat's where I thought the conviction came from

though I initially had worries about him for raisins... w hich is still possible but I also kinda doubt wolf brad powerwolves out leetic here so idk lol maybe he's just town though again, like, I didn't love that he hasn't seemed to question my alignment at all whatsoever, but idk maybe he really took my masonry suggestion quite seriously lol
So you think the mafia cannot kill nightly?
You think a towny killed Wigly?
You think a 3rd party killed Wigly?

And ofc everyone knows and understands there are a lot of power roles bc this is a heist game.

I am saying it is possible wilgy may not have been the initial target, among other possibilities
Mafia could have been rb'd and wilgys role let's him live thru the night after lynch and die at next day start
It could have been mafia and not the factional
Only reason I'd say it's unlikely from town alignment is cuz it probably would have been claimed

Just saying there are many pastabilities

truly xd

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