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true, even though it was more to myself and silencing... my own idea (it was a direct response to...DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:07 amI heard that you shouldn't use the phrase "shut up" because it silences a person and their ideas. It's very rude.
and not anyone who had concerns over me TMIing Schiavetto or whatever).
to something that may or may not have been a joke post but there you go
Okay, and I am sorry for saying this as i had no idea about this. I will just keep it at I do not know your mafia habits versus your town habits. Can you tell me what you do in mafia games as mafia versus town?
oh... okay?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:21 pmMy wincon is to learn what people’s roles are or something. My intentions of posting this were to see what would happen
I know you haven't posted much, but you seem more obvious to me at least then a lot of other people, like a good 80% of my light town are mostly people I do not feel to sure about. But like when you post the least amount of things and I can townread almost every single post you make, I do not have reason not to I suppose.risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:39 am i really really dont know how to feel about cape putting me at top tr esp because i was about to get pocketed by that before i recovered and went like nononnono xD
like to be completely fair i dont think my first few posts were super duper obvtown me (ive become worse at obvtowning unfortunately) and like i was short on time and just trying to post some stuff to be able to get involved in the thread and not get left behind
i have played w/ them tho as v/v so. eh
I do not have fresh meta of how you play as town, we have only played in a mash scenario and in a game like that, it's easy to ignore each other's metasnutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:38 am Anyway you seem town. Would be nice if you notice my many posts that aren't "surface level pressure" but for one thing my schia read was not surface level as I explained it later and for another bouncing off things other people notice (like on creature) is just how i play as town and you should know that @Cape90 you too
Well the thing is, it is described to be basically a role that benefits from role-fishingStrawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:04 pmsiren.gif
I'm rusty on my mafia role lore; are there third-parties that aren't anti-town? Why would Colin just come out and claim third-party?
unless it's lingo and he's saying 'threep' aka 'threap' which means 'to scold; chide'
I do indeed agree with this as coming off his catch up, that is what I thought.
I think that all the points brought up here are very towny to point out because not only is there Creature's naked votes, there is also explanation of the context behind these votes.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 1. The Rando Votes. Creature's first post in the game was to vote nutella. At this point Nutella has only posted once, so this is obviously a random vote move on the part of Creature. Random votes right out of the gate are null. But then Creature re-votes for Raskolnikov. Again in rando-vote fashion: with no explanation. However in context it's noteworthy that this revote comes three minutes after votes Creature, and a little less than an hour after hollowkatt rando-votes Raskolnikov. The timing of that feels very off to me, like Creature could be trying to look like a fun-lovin freewheelin towny makin joke votes, but not the kind of joke votes that could spark conversation.
The first point is it is worth noting that Creature highlighted I think exactly what he was responding too in orange. It is in IAWY's post.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 2. Defensiveness. Creature's first game-related comment is 'Oh well shit', in response to Sabi pointing out that people scumread Creature (and Falcon) for popping in and dipping out. After another indifference post (I'll get to that in the next item), Sabi prods Creature for comment and he says '[...] Pushing falcon and me for dipping off is a pretty lazy thing to do and strikes as wolf scared to make enemies active in-thread.'. It's not as hollow as a straight-up parroting, but it does echo Sabi's post that basically points out the same fallacy. To me, this reads as a little too defensive for something that had already been shot down as angel-shooting (if I'm using the term correctly).
I don't really have a whole lot to say about this, I just think it's a point that people have already not liked Creature on. Though I haven't before noticed the comment about the whole You all got no thoughts on players who have been actually posting? before which definitely does not feel like town!Creature to me because unlike some of his other posts, there is no inkling of Creature actually reading the game here.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 3. Indifference. I already said as much, but I'm not loving the, 'idk you're all boring me' approach. I've already been informed that this is just Creature Creaturing, but my scumdar pings with the lowkey aggro aloofness approach. I just can't get into the mindset of being town and telling my potential teammates this without contributing anything myself. He later claims that he's going to '[...] prob spend this night reading books [...]', reinforcing his outward boredom with this game. Two minutes later he says, 'You all got no thoughts on players who have been actually posting?' This is on Page 7 of the thread, at which point there has been plenty of discussion about players who have actually posted. What's most noteworthy here is that these indifference posts are interlaced with the defensive posts I mentioned in the previous item. The 'Oh well shit' at the angel shooting, then indifference, then 'nobody's talking about anything', then responding to Sabi by basically telling them what they had already said. The combination of items 2 and 3 are scummy to me.
To be fair, slightly scummy on your end.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.
Just to answer your question, yes, this was literally discussed multiple times and I am surprised with how much digging around you did for point 1 that you failed to see this.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 4. I don't know what to make of this with regards to alignment, but this is interesting. Creature says hi to pyxxy, and asks, 'Got something?' As of the time of writing, pyxxy has yet to post in the game. Pyxxy isn't @'ed in the post either. Did Creature see that pyxxy was online? I can't put my finger on it, but this is odd to me.
Let's back up to a post between the reads list as you call it, and the vote on Valentine. Creature asks Sabi about what they thought of le petit/Valentine. Sabi responds with saying they aren't a fan of le petit making reads off rvs fluff and they are giving Valentine time til mid day 1. But this might not have been enough to rock the boat. This is where falcon comes in. Falcon makes these two posts right before Creature votes off Valentine before any of the other people that Creature has audibly voiced suspicion on.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 5. This little read list pings my scumdar a little. I'll reiterate that I have no experience with Creature, so this might be his style, but saying one player (Le pitit) feels 'awkward', another player (IAWY) feels 'weird', and '[not knowing] what to make out of nutella' feels like a very soft and unengaged post—especially in context with the rest of his posts. Then he walks back his thought on IAWY in a similar fasion, then casts a for Valentine.
Probably correct, though I consider myself better at playing town then mafia, and this is coming from someone who got voted out 2 times day 1 in my last 2 Syndicate games as town, while I curbstomped everyone while I was mafia somehow.
1. Incorrect, I gave this very questionable read about you
Like I made the post about you voting DZ over a pun in RVS like come on.
I just started looking a lot elsewhere, also I wanted to write that readslist at the same time I also really wanted to sleep, so that sure didn't help me go into great detail on everyone, you can tell the first one I did was risinnq-.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm He didn't follow up with a vote despite it landing me on the bottom of his reads list in 674, with a very noncommittal handwave of my early DZ read (not one of the ones Chelsea cared about afaik, so at least he's contributing something new but it feels forced especially since that was pretty inconsequential first-page stuff). He is self-aware of his hedginess and I actually kind of like that when it appears in his posts. I can relate.
The use of "sometimes" was a good hint I was getting tired and didn't wanna actually detail the read. The missing puzzle piece here that distinguishes my read on you versus my read on IAWY was me kind of liking the over-explanation on his falcon vote as opposed to everyone else and I just didn't state it because I had already mentioned that and didn't feel the need to repeat (though it probably would have been good too repeat because stand alone it's confusing).nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm Like yes he says "towny sometimes" while the only positive in my blurb is that he "liked the bluntness" but this really goes nowhere. He goes on to state that several things from IAWY are either NAI or underwhelming. Which has about the same level of neutrality as most of the blurb about me except that he was able to latch onto Chelsea's push.
I will just say this, if you are mafia nutella, you just spewed Chelsea as town after you flip.
Counterpoint, the town game I immediately brought up SK onnutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm However the primary thought in my head is actually not the idea that Cape/IAWY are w/w. It's actually that Cape is 3P. Cape may very well actually think I am mafia if so. This is a very egotistical part of the read but it's what led me there -- as mafia he'd be less likely to pressure me, because given my meta/reputation if he knows I'm not mafia I am likely to post myself clear. And he brought up 3P factions which is classically >rand 3p lol. I would generally rather hunt mafia primarily over 3p but with 3 of them I don't think we should gloss over their existence.
This is my explanation for why I noticed this in this game. I am assuming because of this, there are benign 3p which makes me not want to kill Colin for instance.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:23 amRead the first post of the game, there lies your answers.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:30 pm 2. sirengif © me 2014. Hey @Cape90 what makes you think there are three third parties?
I noticed it because I was looking for what time the game even starts, reread the thing about 20 times before actually seeing it since it was implied at the bottom
I am town, but I think it's stupid to think that a game solving post being posted would be for nothing. But this is my answer to your post so.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm Maybe this thoughtdump is all nothing and he's town and I'm hedging on that way more in my head but I wanted to get this out there. The IAWY part is kind of a separate thing I tagged on because I haven't loved his thread position and it could fit. I think both Cape and IAWY are getting townreads for simply writing a lot of words and I want to push back on that.
I don't expect this post to be very popular, I don't have a strong conclusion, he could just be town and this is all spitballing. But fuck it I'm hitting post.
Now this is a peculiar read I don't usually see. Usually I find that wolves struggle to fit into to the thread in some way. Do you think IAWY struggles less as wolf to get into the thread?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:39 pm iawy - comfortably in the uncomfortable town zone and by that I mean when iawy is semi-struggling to get into the thread and dig up meat he's more likely than not to be town. I also like the angles he's approaching things with even if I don't agree with them as I feel like it shows a depth of concern over the game that he wouldn't otherwise show.
polarized as always
1. Commenting on how many posts there are is sort of a lazy mafia trait. You have shown that you are pretty much the opposite of lazy with your posts though.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:10 pmHow? There were 7 pages in two hours of the game being open, and it's scummy to comment on that? I wasn't even complaining; it was just a whoa.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:51 pmTo be fair, slightly scummy on your end.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.
Just a peek behind the curtain: I tend to write these lists more-or-less as I read ISOs in chronological order. And as far as I saw, pyxxy's online status was discussed multiple times with regards to IAWY, not Creature. My point was that Creature did this after the discussion about angel-shooting.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:51 pmJust to answer your question, yes, this was literally discussed multiple times and I am surprised with how much digging around you did for point 1 that you failed to see this.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 4. I don't know what to make of this with regards to alignment, but this is interesting. Creature says hi to pyxxy, and asks, 'Got something?' As of the time of writing, pyxxy has yet to post in the game. Pyxxy isn't @'ed in the post either. Did Creature see that pyxxy was online? I can't put my finger on it, but this is odd to me.
I'm missing your point here.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:51 pm Let's back up to a post between the reads list as you call it, and the vote on Valentine. Creature asks Sabi about what they thought of le petit/Valentine. Sabi responds with saying they aren't a fan of le petit making reads off rvs fluff and they are giving Valentine time til mid day 1. But this might not have been enough to rock the boat. This is where falcon comes in. Falcon makes these two posts right before Creature votes off Valentine before any of the other people that Creature has audibly voiced suspicion on.
I have had this said about my posts before. I type a bunch of words sometimes.IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:42 pmThis whole thing feels procedurally generated.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:31 pmProbably correct, though I consider myself better at playing town then mafia, and this is coming from someone who got voted out 2 times day 1 in my last 2 Syndicate games as town, while I curbstomped everyone while I was mafia somehow.
1. Incorrect, I gave this very questionable read about youLike I made the post about you voting DZ over a pun in RVS like come on.
2. I really don't think it's that hard too see but with reads like #114, #170, #199 (in fact the whole Creature push felt like pocketing Sabi's read). And then there is #339 which just feels like pocketing risinnq now? A lot of these things stuck out to me in terms of you, and to me, I would figure a better player would bring up better arguments to why people are mafia. I get wanting momentum and stuff out of RVS, it's just never my preferred approach in doing so, it feels like pushing LHF for the sake of it which I wouldn't expect a player of your or Quas' caliber to do. Also Quas has the whole thing of being very different to his mash self this game.
I just started looking a lot elsewhere, also I wanted to write that readslist at the same time I also really wanted to sleep, so that sure didn't help me go into great detail on everyone, you can tell the first one I did was risinnq-.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm He didn't follow up with a vote despite it landing me on the bottom of his reads list in 674, with a very noncommittal handwave of my early DZ read (not one of the ones Chelsea cared about afaik, so at least he's contributing something new but it feels forced especially since that was pretty inconsequential first-page stuff). He is self-aware of his hedginess and I actually kind of like that when it appears in his posts. I can relate.
The use of "sometimes" was a good hint I was getting tired and didn't wanna actually detail the read. The missing puzzle piece here that distinguishes my read on you versus my read on IAWY was me kind of liking the over-explanation on his falcon vote as opposed to everyone else and I just didn't state it because I had already mentioned that and didn't feel the need to repeat (though it probably would have been good too repeat because stand alone it's confusing).nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm Like yes he says "towny sometimes" while the only positive in my blurb is that he "liked the bluntness" but this really goes nowhere. He goes on to state that several things from IAWY are either NAI or underwhelming. Which has about the same level of neutrality as most of the blurb about me except that he was able to latch onto Chelsea's push.
I will just say this, if you are mafia nutella, you just spewed Chelsea as town after you flip.
Counterpoint, the town game I immediately brought up SK onnutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm However the primary thought in my head is actually not the idea that Cape/IAWY are w/w. It's actually that Cape is 3P. Cape may very well actually think I am mafia if so. This is a very egotistical part of the read but it's what led me there -- as mafia he'd be less likely to pressure me, because given my meta/reputation if he knows I'm not mafia I am likely to post myself clear. And he brought up 3P factions which is classically >rand 3p lol. I would generally rather hunt mafia primarily over 3p but with 3 of them I don't think we should gloss over their existence.
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2426
I suppose you can counter counter point that and say I literally said this because originally I flipped mafia and had this thought as mafia as I was reading setup, but the game got reranded. OFC I didn't say this as the game was going on cuz duh, but I did get suspicion for that.
This is my explanation for why I noticed this in this game. I am assuming because of this, there are benign 3p which makes me not want to kill Colin for instance.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:23 amRead the first post of the game, there lies your answers.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:30 pm 2. sirengif © me 2014. Hey @Cape90 what makes you think there are three third parties?
I noticed it because I was looking for what time the game even starts, reread the thing about 20 times before actually seeing it since it was implied at the bottom
I am town, but I think it's stupid to think that a game solving post being posted would be for nothing. But this is my answer to your post so.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm Maybe this thoughtdump is all nothing and he's town and I'm hedging on that way more in my head but I wanted to get this out there. The IAWY part is kind of a separate thing I tagged on because I haven't loved his thread position and it could fit. I think both Cape and IAWY are getting townreads for simply writing a lot of words and I want to push back on that.
I don't expect this post to be very popular, I don't have a strong conclusion, he could just be town and this is all spitballing. But fuck it I'm hitting post.
Also to be fair to you, towny post.
This commentary is interesting just because I do not believe that out paths have crossed where I have ever wolfed against you so I am curious where you are pulling this read from.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:25 pm to expand something feels off about that nutella post and I can't put my finger on it but I'm trying to. Like earlier nutella said that cape was off for her and wanted to spend some time writing out their thoughts but in a nutshell what the thoughts come down to are "I don't agree with him" and "he jumped on me when Chelsea opened the door" which I don't often seen wolf cape being opportunistic in that way. I also think nutella thinking as much as they are about 3p is wolfy in general and specifically for her as even in large scale games where 3p is really super relevant she's focused on finding wolves, not finding 3p.
Maybe this doesn't make any sense to anyone else but I'm glad it's written down
This seems like a pretty big leap to just straight up townread pyxxy that easilySabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:22 pmAre we finally town together in a game after so many months?pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:26 pm D1 feelings so far, about half way through the phase:
groups ordered alphabetically
no idea:
Chelsea
ColinIsCool
DaughterOfOmega
IBA
Le petit poussin
Mungbean (tasty food tho)
TheFloyd73
WindwardAway
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strong town:
good vibes:
Cape90
hollowkatt
nutella (also tasty)
risiinq-
Schiavetto
Strawhenge
unsure:
DeeZees
falcon45ca
Guillotine
LordQuas
Sabiplz
Valentine
bad vibes:
Creature
Inawordyes
pyxxy (is where I would put myself rn)
hooting and hollering:
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Fyi I'm moving this weekend but I'm still registered as a resident of lurk city so please expect my behavior to continuety and hope everyone is having a great weekend so far.
I said, "Better late than never / Just don't make me wait forever"
I think it may have been soft-going to that point since it was more of 10% of floyd's posts at the timeColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:04 pmHunting them is certainly a classic scumtell, but I don’t know that Floyd has been egregious to that point yet.
The thing is, I feel like scum would time this sort of thing better rather then just in the middle of day 1WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:22 pm I kinda want to call IBA's post performative but it is totally a case of the pot calling the kettle black, because I have definitely told people to sheep my reads when I die and then immediately followed it up with a comment about people ignoring dead players
I have no particular reason why I'm saying this btw, it's just thought vomit, sorry :/
Also IDK how much sense it makes for IBA to discredit... their own legacy immediately as scum versus someone else.
Weird thing to say. Creature is claiming self-confirmable by tomorrow and this has the potential to show that Creature is a strong PR in the game and it feels odd to out this so early. Though there is the note of Creature possibly not being here muchInawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:49 pmWhy do you care if Creature dies?IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:48 pmYou don't have anywhere close to a wagon on you and there's a full day left
Jesus Christ
You realize that if you're town you're probably dying tonight now, right
Yeah cannot say posts are doing anything for me either still.
I'm not sure this is an AI reason to think I am townGuillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:14 pmBecause that is an accurate assessment from someone who has seen me wolfing and towning, wolfing specially as I'm a terrifying wolf player. There is no agenda, no attempt at pocketing me either, there is a healthy amount of paranoia, there is respect for what I'm capable of and he is willing to let me breath and produce results.IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:00 pmWhy's that your takeaway here?Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:02 pmAlright Cape90 is town.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:20 amSo because you cannot simply unvote I do not think, I wanted to get off Guillotina for now, so I did and voted Quas, and in the post I explain why I unvoted Guillotina.Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:09 amthis post feels weird in retrospectCape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:35 am I like Strawhedge's #464 post, even if I think the reasonings behind like their Valentine suspicion and IAWY suspicion are pretty funny reasons for scumreading someone. No idea if it's normal for them but I know it's normal for some people. But the post does show a level of thinking independantly
[VOTE: LordQuas] aubergine
For now, I just liked Guillo's response to me in #461, it is like Okay now I believe that Guillo believes what they are saying. The lack of further shade from Guillo, or the lack of Guillo shading me for it and instead explaining his POV to me is something that does ping me as a little un-Guillotina like, like I expected a loud OMGUS but whatever.
like i know the lordquas reasoning precedes this post but it feels like. weirdly shoehorned in between two reads that are like there to placate people yk. "yeah i like you two" and then boop sly vote. like the... presentation of it feels a little ?
and i think i'm offput because the general vibe i get from cape90 while skimming is that cape is erring towards townreading people or at the very least unwilling to really push down further than "could be town, could be mafia" anywhere. he feels very... gentle with his approach i guess.
You could call the approach I took, specifically with Guillotina careful. But tbh, it is one of the better approaches to take with them
"Progression" it's more DaughterOfOmega has had reads versus WWA. And I know WWA is a good player and their posts so far just existSabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:14 amWhat progression with reads has daughter done? Citation please.
I'm giving windward time because she's been afk and was drunk in the thread.
IAWY was pushing falcon for LHF reasons though and that was the point behind that argument I assume. Like falcon only had his starting posts I believe until a little later when it seemed like IAWY got upset at falcon for less then indictive reasons
To be fair I have been misexed like the past 2 times I have been town on this site
Because Daughter came up with the take?Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:37 amSo why bring up daughter then? What was the point of this whole comparison?Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:18 am"Progression" it's more DaughterOfOmega has had reads versus WWA. And I know WWA is a good player and their posts so far just existSabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:14 amWhat progression with reads has daughter done? Citation please.
I'm giving windward time because she's been afk and was drunk in the thread.
I really don't like this post from guy cape.
Contradicting themselves with Sabi read is interesting. At least it's implied this is a contradiction.DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:13 pm A little birdy told me that Sabi isn’t posting like their usual town self.
Source is sketch
When DZ got back into the thread, he didn't mention this so I do find this a bit curious.
i can vibe with this a bit.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:45 pm I’ve got no problem with Strawhenge saying he’s not engaging with people at a certain point. I’ve done the same thing plenty of times as town. NAI at best
It's the fact Chelsea says "oh I am townreading x player for *insert reason I don't find good but I am gonna wagon them anyways lol" it's like you didn't read the message I said. I assumed that because I wouldn't assume mafia wouldn't be so upfront about waqgoning someone they townread.
Honestly the only one I have is Rask prodding me to answer something, but that has been diminishing since I feel like they might have been avoiding the thread based on their own words
When has my solving ever got convoluted? Wow that never happens. I was literally called out by iaafr for this in a chat
now when has that last thing EVER HAPPENED in a game I am in
you know the question you directed at me about "oh you should know my town meta" etcnutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:27 pmzzzzzzCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:25 pmIt's the fact Chelsea says "oh I am townreading x player for *insert reason I don't find good but I am gonna wagon them anyways lol" it's like you didn't read the message I said. I assumed that because I wouldn't assume mafia wouldn't be so upfront about waqgoning someone they townread.
Honestly the only one I have is Rask prodding me to answer something, but that has been diminishing since I feel like they might have been avoiding the thread based on their own words
When has my solving ever got convoluted? Wow that never happens. I was literally called out by iaafr for this in a chat
now when has that last thing EVER HAPPENED in a game I am in
Trying to shade me for having bad posts again are we?
has anything interesting happened around this slot since i left
ty and hope everyone is having a great weekend so far.