The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:36 pm anyways,

[VOTE: Pyx] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:36 pm Oh, damn. I can't vote Pyx.

Shucks.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:38 pm huh @pyxxy is that your prize?

Porscha, it has to do with the fact pyxxy has immunity today

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:09 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:49 pm sheep's posts are ~weird but in a way that seems more like he's on his own?
what does this even mean though?
it's a nebulous town lean

I meant the whole "he's on his own" part

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:39 pm so what, we're working with

TonyStarkPrime
LoRab
Porscha
nutella
Sheep
Cape90
Long Con
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca
DrWilgy

+ me

TSP is milo problem. I could see him attempting to avoid meta via silence after getting caught quick in Severance. Occam's says he's just afk.
LoRab was summoned. skimmed game from 2015. seems to match fine. civvie
Porscha has whim and not accepting other people's worlds blindly. civvie
Nutella still making me feel odd
Sheep; sucks that Robyn died before explaining the Sheep obv details. will tunnel
Cape; I can't read Cape
Long Con; need to re-read
SPF; unsure
falcon can be town
Wilgy has an agenda and that makes me very suspicious

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Robyn voters were Long Con, nutella
pyxxy voters were robyn (town), DrWilgy, Cape90, ☆Princess Abigail☆ (town w/ untied shoes)

otoh maybe I just call Wilgy and Cape town and go from there

at this time my focus is on Nutella Sheep Cape LC

ttyl

You know you literally caught me as wolf in this game my guy.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ue-S2-M2G3

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:49 pm sheep's posts are ~weird but in a way that seems more like he's on his own?

what does this even mean though?

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.
I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

With the current knowledge of robyn's flip, tempted to call this towny

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:31 am ok i have no motivation to make reads besides a "wilgy feels weird both in general and from what i remember of playstyle but idk it's probably a thing, porscha's towny but i also have no confidence in that, long con pings is probably just a player thing"
but based on page 3 looks like rest of pl doesn't have a lot of interest in solving either so i can absolve myself of guilt to some extent

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:33 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:21 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:31 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:19 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:22 am I voted robyn btw
I actually think robyn is town lol
ew how? lol
How do I put this...uh...vibes ig I just don't think this is how robyn enters thread as wolf here am I off base maybe cause its a light read and one I'm hardly committed to
i thought robyn was towny too though this explanation is slightly different
(oops i'm back)

I think both of these posts are kinda towny

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:15 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm
Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno
Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)
no it is showcasing my indecision (wilgy w btw)
i like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)
are you trying to force a thunderdome...
that was not serious mostly bc i was bored bc nothing was happening
i don't like this post from cape which means he's in town meta (for having a odd read on me specifically)

I don't think you have played with w!me

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:59 pm Wilgy, nutella, and a few others are on the scumreads for not sticking to their supposed guns.

what does "not sticking to their supposed guns" mean?

a few others is also really vague like what?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:26 pm Also imagine if we wagoned someone who hadn't posted just to see if they had submitted a song and therefore acknowledge the game exists and is intentionally not posting

that sounds like an absolutely anti town idea. genius!

Also I think both subs are usually anonymous, otherwise it becomes extremely angleshooty and... yeah.........

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:23 pm Like, further, there's a thing we PROBABLY should've discussed before EoD and it's how to handle the battle and who gets bonuses.

Like, is it better to send someone who we think Is town and someone who we think is wolf and hope that the townie player has a better musical taste?

Right, the bonus thing exists doesn't it?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:45 pm I would have preferred long con in over robyn tbh

Think I agree even though that would be the 2 most boring options facing off against each other

I guess to answer robyn's "oh you tr me?"

I didn't really at the time tbh. Like
1. It was clear that you weren't reading/haven't read up on things
2. You were saying things that... felt like you, if that makes any sense. Like "there isn’t an actual reason for it, i just didn’t think i’d be taking this much heat this early and i’m not a shrugyeet. what i am is a game losing misyeet" is a very you thing to say

But anyways this was kinda a pointless post since u kinda died. I will avenge you!

wait people were posting things at night?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:55 pm Robyn
Cape
Pyx

nah
yes because i have cool music taste (i wont self vote

)
yes

also want to point out everyone here has experience with you robyn

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:44 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:52 pm i see robyn is back to being polarized
this was a joke right?

anyways, it was more an observation to where you kinda had votes on you, you said in severance that you were playing differently to not get sussed or whatever, and it actually worked

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:48 pm Abi
SPF
Wilgy

no
no
no

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:37 pm LoRab
Nut
Sheep

no
yes
yes??

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:33 pm Let's play a game of would you vote.

I give names, y'all say if you'd vote or not.

TSP
Falc
LC

no
no
yes

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:51 pm god cape’s vote on me sucks because he has experience with me though

i'm not even voting you

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:11 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:07 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:20 pm @Cape90 what's with the Nutella read? Does she obv town on D1 often?
With most of nutella's posts I just find them... safe? You know? Like with the posts with content a lot of them wont have elaboration (with the exception of #221), also looking back there...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:35 pm wilgy is townier than porscha i think
What if I said both are town
yeah probably
this convo kinda bothers me on nutella's end. Like if nutella believed both are town when she said "wilgy is townier then porscha i think" then it would kinda be a tad pointless to say, or at least say so without that clarification on the read that she thinks both are town though or whatever.
This is interesting to me, do you when reading town, not have more or less doubt on your reads that you can quantify?

Right, sure. But IDK, maybe it's because I like to put in at least a little detail when I post about things to make my stances clear, and the read on Porscha at that time just wasn't clear and I think it could lead into a soft way to keep someone away from towncore subtly.

I also forgot to say

I'm kinda bad at reading nutella, so no I don't think they obvtown day 1 lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:33 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:58 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:07 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:02 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:36 am

ok so how *does* robyn enter thread as wolf here then lol
In this thread state I'd expect them to power wolf it'd be so easy so they come in and size control of a thread that lacks a leader no?
why would any wolf be trying right now. lol there is no pressure on anyone to do anything. what is there to power wolf. there is hardly content to power wolf
Cause if you take control of this thread right now you just win lol
WHAT THREAD IS THERE TO TAKE CONTROL OF?

that's true, it really is a whole lot of white noise up in here
Frankly I think that's bs and kinda annoying when I'm trying pretty hard

it wasn't targeted at you, but kinda in general

listen it concerns me when i know im not doing a lot and i become the 3rd highest poster okay?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:20 pm @Cape90 what's with the Nutella read? Does she obv town on D1 often?

With most of nutella's posts I just find them... safe? You know? Like with the posts with content a lot of them wont have elaboration (with the exception of #221), also looking back there...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:35 pm wilgy is townier than porscha i think
What if I said both are town
yeah probably

this convo kinda bothers me on nutella's end. Like if nutella believed both are town when she said "wilgy is townier then porscha i think" then it would kinda be a tad pointless to say, or at least say so without that clarification on the read that she thinks both are town though or whatever.

Latest content by falcon obviously doesn't give me much because it's fluff but he's still fine.

pyxxy has mostly vibed in the thread, obviously not much of an impression beyond that.

nutella kinda has boring vanilla reads mixed in with fluff, also if nutella is attempting at all to be Mac, then I gotta vote that because they are doing a bad job at that.

All I got on Long Con is they are probs not w/w with Wilgy for #219, the post they clearly put the most effort into. Not really a read I put that much stock into anyways as I townlean Wilgy.

Just by default in this thread Princess Abigail is one of the towniest players here. #188 doesn't seem like something wolf would just say about their read, wolves can be stale with their reads generally.

Porscha is the current top poster which... wasn't on my bingo sheet this year

. The interaction with me and robyn both screams town to me. Also #99 does too, but i couldn't tell you why I think that

DrWilgy still feels decent to me, I like the response he just said #244. The basis for my doubt comes from me knowing robyn can be very direct with their thoughts and just kinda say things as they are.

Porscha
Princess Abigail
falcon45ca

DrWilgy

robyn

nutella
Long Con
pyxxy
Sheep

These are my current reads

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:10 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:01 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am i'm tired of wolfing, just really tired, nothing but wolf rands
Is this a claim? lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).
with the first quote, I thought it might have been a wolf claim
Def would be if so. I just don't think if so.

why not?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:01 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am i'm tired of wolfing, just really tired, nothing but wolf rands
Is this a claim? lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).

with the first quote, I thought it might have been a wolf claim

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:17 am actually it's suboptimal to engage with suspicion against myself at this stage of the game, so i'm gonna have to ignore you irt your read about me

been feeling slightly weird about robyn, but I think this could be towny

it's one of those things that's just weird to post as mafia in that situation.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:11 am gonna veto the sheep wagon, he will make his alignment obvious, especially because he's polarized. d2 he'll be a free pelt or obv town and i'd like you two to wait until then @pyxxy @Cape90

alright, swapped off there anyways

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:09 am abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

You haven't had such a read on abbie as this when the Ted Lasso game was going on

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:07 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:02 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:36 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:21 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:31 am

ew how? lol
How do I put this...uh...vibes ig I just don't think this is how robyn enters thread as wolf here am I off base maybe cause its a light read and one I'm hardly committed to
ok so how *does* robyn enter thread as wolf here then lol
In this thread state I'd expect them to power wolf it'd be so easy so they come in and size control of a thread that lacks a leader no?
why would any wolf be trying right now. lol there is no pressure on anyone to do anything. what is there to power wolf. there is hardly content to power wolf
Cause if you take control of this thread right now you just win lol
WHAT THREAD IS THERE TO TAKE CONTROL OF?

that's true, it really is a whole lot of white noise up in here

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am i'm tired of wolfing, just really tired, nothing but wolf rands

uh oh

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:54 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:13 pm Long con oh yeah thats a mafia for sure
Is this a real read?
real is a spectrum

Real sarcastic? Or real as in you actually wolfread Long Con?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:15 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:21 pm this might have been the first setup that I don't really understand

is it just mafia but DKs are decided by worst song among submissions from everyone who got a vote during the day?
Seems that way too me

I'm guessing we vote best song out of the 2 most voted people today and whoever receives the most votes stays and whoever has the least amount of votes dies?

i see robyn is back to being polarized

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:21 pm [VOTE: Sheep] aubergine

it's time for hedgehog revenge

is this based off another game? Or did you see what I saw?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:32 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Show me what you gottttt
with this submission I would simply never die, so here's one on the house

https://soundcloud.com/manikinsounds/on ... l-remember

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

This is a policy vote

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:13 pm Long con oh yeah thats a mafia for sure

Is this a real read?

But anyways, returning to my thought on Wilgy's read being fake

Wilgy had no reason not to vote Porscha back there if Wilgy's read there was real

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:58 pm Wilgy might be town just for having reads though
I'd argue that's more wolfy lol

Why would that be wolfy? I think it's pretty prototypical of Wilgy's town play to start games off like that, IIRC he just did in Ted Lasso mafia

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno
Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)
@Porscha We can call this a read, and it's content based.

It's more towny than not, IMO
Lol, that's not a read

Kinda thought so, but I wasn't sure

Which is part of the reason why I didn't include that in my list thing
The other part was to just see if anyone would be observant enough to notice that you also clearly gave another "read". As falcon was.

Falcon is kinda reminding me of town!Rondo tbh, so tempted to call that towny. Me just townbinning falcon for efforting hasn't backfired yet anyways

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno
Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)
@Porscha We can call this a read, and it's content based.

It's more towny than not, IMO
I'm not sure I follow the logic of it though
I could be wrong, but the very nature of porscha hinting at what type of song type she may sub shows that porscha is overly concerned w/ being voted

oh right i forgot only the ppl that are voted get their songs judged

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm
Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno
Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)
no it is showcasing my indecision (wilgy w btw)
i like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)
are you trying to force a thunderdome...

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm Also if you like both falcon and Porscha, wouldn't you discourage a thunderdome?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:57 pm Wish I could say more about... anyone else but meh

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

We need more people to wake up

Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?

[VOTE: Sheep] aubergine

I could, just wanted more people to talk, it's been a while and @staypositivefriend /@LoRab/@pyxxy haven't shown up and given the very stale game state this game has been in, I don't like there being inactive players

Wasn't planning on holding it til the day ends anyways

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:15 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:58 pm Wilgy might be town just for having reads though

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:33 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:27 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:58 pm Wilgy might be town just for having reads though
boldly generous to call his posts "Reads"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:43 am Abi town
Nutella town

I'm a doctor.
Yeah quite a stretch
Hmmmm...why did you not include Wilgy's read on porscha? A read which actually is based off something?

Wonder why I didn't do that

Anyways, I don't really see how something like that would make Porscha wolf

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno
Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:35 pm here cape, you're contractually obligated to townread me after this post

long con wolf
abbi town
wilgy wolf

alright I TR Porscha

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:27 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:58 pm Wilgy might be town just for having reads though
boldly generous to call his posts "Reads"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:43 am Abi town
Nutella town

I'm a doctor.

Yeah quite a stretch

Wilgy might be town just for having reads though

Wish I could say more about... anyone else but meh

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

We need more people to wake up

Also if you like both falcon and Porscha, wouldn't you discourage a thunderdome?

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno
Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)
no it is showcasing my indecision (wilgy w btw)
i like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)

are you trying to force a thunderdome...

didn't know we could post, mb

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