The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:21 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:18 pm

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:07 pm I haven’t read most of the game today and have been denied a sub.

I’ll attempt to catch up this afternoon since I’m post call today.

What’s the Tl;dr of the game state currently?

Sloonei's 2544 on the prior page is a good summary of the Zenge/falcon stuff.

Before I feel guilty for making anyone read that entire thing, most of the content of my massive Falcon ISO can be skimmed or ignored. I encourage people to read any parts of it that they find pertinent. But most of the content is there for my own sake, and I don't intend for it to be read in its entirety.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:07 pm I haven’t read most of the game today and have been denied a sub.

I’ll attempt to catch up this afternoon since I’m post call today.

What’s the Tl;dr of the game state currently?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:45 pm Uh… is there a limit to how many quotes can be nested in replying?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:42 pm Why is @Neon voting Dennis?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:36 pm @Marmot , Also voting for Creature, meh. Suspecting Creature before switching off him and never looking back, meh.

We all voted all over each other in GOC. I won't clear anyone I was teammates with in that game for suspecting, then unsuspecting, or voting, then unvoting someone. As I would expect you should never clear me for it. We all got Greyhound top passenger miles for that game, lol.

Also, your reasons were proven bullshit when you backed off Creature becasue he had time restraints, then when he came back, you stayed off of him. And I expanded the time frame becasue YOU were quibbling about the last five minutes. It was longer than that, and you replied to both of them towards EOD.

I think you had TMI on Creatures time issues, and used it as an excuse. I call shenanigans, my rodent friend.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:26 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:17 pm @NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

Mighty isn't outside of his town meta, his posts always read as carefully crafted. In the last game when he was wolfing I correctly called him out on day one, because he had a habit of picking apart other people's reads without actually offering his own perspective. I haven't seen him do the same thing here. He's relatively new and that's a "tell" that can be fixed, but I lean him town for now. The only thing that gives me pause is his Scotty vote looks bad, both in the wagon position and that his reasoning was pretty much just echoing other people's "role fishing" sus.

Creature is POE because there's no reason for him not to be, I wasn't interested in him yesterday because in my other Syndicate game he low-posted as town so the "volume tell" wasn't convincing for me. But his only votes prior to Scotty were a naked 2nd vote on miranda and a naked 2nd vote on me. He said his miranda vote was because he was least impressed by her on that page, but her only recent content was a day 0 test vote. And that's been about the extent of his solving energy.

Marmot was mostly missing, I remember an early wolf lean of Dennis and then EOD. I didn't really vibe with Marmot's EOD reads, for one thing they were wolfreading me and have carried that into today, and I know that's incorrect. But they were also speculating a Scotty/Santy world, which I thought would be odd positioning to take if they knew Scotty would flip town. But it could have also been a way to place Scotty in a plausible wolf team to justify a vote (which is what Marmot did shortly after).

Falcon/Zenge I have the most turbulence around. I've seen town Zenge make correct pushes that were laser-focused that I didn't understand at all, so I pay attention when he gets this locked in even if I don't completely get it. And I thought falcon was sketchy early on. But the way Z's pushed it has been really twisty, especially his interaction with other people about it when they disagree. And on falcon's end I know he has a scummy playstyle in general, he was misyeeted in the other game I played here. If they were both scum but different factions it'd explain everything tbh

Either this person is the best mafia player I've ever met or they're town. And maybe it's both.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:59 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm

Spoiler: show

My usual vote spreadsheet bizniss.

Day 1 Votes
(The only note here is I don't actually know exactly when mayo's vote for Creature was, because I couldn't find an in thread vote post for it. It was sometime before the timestamp I have)


Waterfall


EOD Wagons

NO WAY THIS DUDE RECORDED THE TIMESTAMPS OF THE VOTES

does he do it as mafia too?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:18 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:08 am

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:41 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:30 am

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:54 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:17 pm @NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

Mighty isn't outside of his town meta, his posts always read as carefully crafted. In the last game when he was wolfing I correctly called him out on day one, because he had a habit of picking apart other people's reads without actually offering his own perspective. I haven't seen him do the same thing here. He's relatively new and that's a "tell" that can be fixed, but I lean him town for now. The only thing that gives me pause is his Scotty vote looks bad, both in the wagon position and that his reasoning was pretty much just echoing other people's "role fishing" sus.

Creature is POE because there's no reason for him not to be, I wasn't interested in him yesterday because in my other Syndicate game he low-posted as town so the "volume tell" wasn't convincing for me. But his only votes prior to Scotty were a naked 2nd vote on miranda and a naked 2nd vote on me. He said his miranda vote was because he was least impressed by her on that page, but her only recent content was a day 0 test vote. And that's been about the extent of his solving energy.

Marmot was mostly missing, I remember an early wolf lean of Dennis and then EOD. I didn't really vibe with Marmot's EOD reads, for one thing they were wolfreading me and have carried that into today, and I know that's incorrect. But they were also speculating a Scotty/Santy world, which I thought would be odd positioning to take if they knew Scotty would flip town. But it could have also been a way to place Scotty in a plausible wolf team to justify a vote (which is what Marmot did shortly after).

Falcon/Zenge I have the most turbulence around. I've seen town Zenge make correct pushes that were laser-focused that I didn't understand at all, so I pay attention when he gets this locked in even if I don't completely get it. And I thought falcon was sketchy early on. But the way Z's pushed it has been really twisty, especially his interaction with other people about it when they disagree. And on falcon's end I know he has a scummy playstyle in general, he was misyeeted in the other game I played here. If they were both scum but different factions it'd explain everything tbh

Zenges vs falcons looked pretty straightforward to me. Zenges is tunneling on falcons because he asserts falcons is wolfing and found falcons’s responses to be very evasive. He pretty much took a hardline stance and doubled down on his falcons tunnel. That trajectory looks villagey to me.

It’s the responses to the Zenges vs falcons battle that appear like an attempt to shut down the discussion that look concerning, since it makes me think Zenges might be right and wolves are trying to get the heat off of falcons by diverting attention elsewhere

And my problem wasn't really with the core of Zenge's argument, it was with him twisting people's words when he was pushing it. Does he do that as town?

Could you show me where he twisted people’s words? There have been reports in past games of Zenges being stretchy but i’m not sure that’s what you’re referring to here.

I see Sloonei pointed to a couple. I was also thinking of things like this, where he coopts a point Seanzie was making and uses it to support his own push:

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

Hmm that looks more like a problem of confirmation bias

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:41 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:30 am

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:54 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:17 pm @NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

Mighty isn't outside of his town meta, his posts always read as carefully crafted. In the last game when he was wolfing I correctly called him out on day one, because he had a habit of picking apart other people's reads without actually offering his own perspective. I haven't seen him do the same thing here. He's relatively new and that's a "tell" that can be fixed, but I lean him town for now. The only thing that gives me pause is his Scotty vote looks bad, both in the wagon position and that his reasoning was pretty much just echoing other people's "role fishing" sus.

Creature is POE because there's no reason for him not to be, I wasn't interested in him yesterday because in my other Syndicate game he low-posted as town so the "volume tell" wasn't convincing for me. But his only votes prior to Scotty were a naked 2nd vote on miranda and a naked 2nd vote on me. He said his miranda vote was because he was least impressed by her on that page, but her only recent content was a day 0 test vote. And that's been about the extent of his solving energy.

Marmot was mostly missing, I remember an early wolf lean of Dennis and then EOD. I didn't really vibe with Marmot's EOD reads, for one thing they were wolfreading me and have carried that into today, and I know that's incorrect. But they were also speculating a Scotty/Santy world, which I thought would be odd positioning to take if they knew Scotty would flip town. But it could have also been a way to place Scotty in a plausible wolf team to justify a vote (which is what Marmot did shortly after).

Falcon/Zenge I have the most turbulence around. I've seen town Zenge make correct pushes that were laser-focused that I didn't understand at all, so I pay attention when he gets this locked in even if I don't completely get it. And I thought falcon was sketchy early on. But the way Z's pushed it has been really twisty, especially his interaction with other people about it when they disagree. And on falcon's end I know he has a scummy playstyle in general, he was misyeeted in the other game I played here. If they were both scum but different factions it'd explain everything tbh

Zenges vs falcons looked pretty straightforward to me. Zenges is tunneling on falcons because he asserts falcons is wolfing and found falcons’s responses to be very evasive. He pretty much took a hardline stance and doubled down on his falcons tunnel. That trajectory looks villagey to me.

It’s the responses to the Zenges vs falcons battle that appear like an attempt to shut down the discussion that look concerning, since it makes me think Zenges might be right and wolves are trying to get the heat off of falcons by diverting attention elsewhere

And my problem wasn't really with the core of Zenge's argument, it was with him twisting people's words when he was pushing it. Does he do that as town?

Could you show me where he twisted people’s words? There have been reports in past games of Zenges being stretchy but i’m not sure that’s what you’re referring to here.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:54 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:17 pm @NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

Mighty isn't outside of his town meta, his posts always read as carefully crafted. In the last game when he was wolfing I correctly called him out on day one, because he had a habit of picking apart other people's reads without actually offering his own perspective. I haven't seen him do the same thing here. He's relatively new and that's a "tell" that can be fixed, but I lean him town for now. The only thing that gives me pause is his Scotty vote looks bad, both in the wagon position and that his reasoning was pretty much just echoing other people's "role fishing" sus.

Creature is POE because there's no reason for him not to be, I wasn't interested in him yesterday because in my other Syndicate game he low-posted as town so the "volume tell" wasn't convincing for me. But his only votes prior to Scotty were a naked 2nd vote on miranda and a naked 2nd vote on me. He said his miranda vote was because he was least impressed by her on that page, but her only recent content was a day 0 test vote. And that's been about the extent of his solving energy.

Marmot was mostly missing, I remember an early wolf lean of Dennis and then EOD. I didn't really vibe with Marmot's EOD reads, for one thing they were wolfreading me and have carried that into today, and I know that's incorrect. But they were also speculating a Scotty/Santy world, which I thought would be odd positioning to take if they knew Scotty would flip town. But it could have also been a way to place Scotty in a plausible wolf team to justify a vote (which is what Marmot did shortly after).

Falcon/Zenge I have the most turbulence around. I've seen town Zenge make correct pushes that were laser-focused that I didn't understand at all, so I pay attention when he gets this locked in even if I don't completely get it. And I thought falcon was sketchy early on. But the way Z's pushed it has been really twisty, especially his interaction with other people about it when they disagree. And on falcon's end I know he has a scummy playstyle in general, he was misyeeted in the other game I played here. If they were both scum but different factions it'd explain everything tbh

Zenges vs falcons looked pretty straightforward to me. Zenges is tunneling on falcons because he asserts falcons is wolfing and found falcons’s responses to be very evasive. He pretty much took a hardline stance and doubled down on his falcons tunnel. That trajectory looks villagey to me.

It’s the responses to the Zenges vs falcons battle that appear like an attempt to shut down the discussion that look concerning, since it makes me think Zenges might be right and wolves are trying to get the heat off of falcons by diverting attention elsewhere

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:54 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:17 pm @NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

Mighty isn't outside of his town meta, his posts always read as carefully crafted. In the last game when he was wolfing I correctly called him out on day one, because he had a habit of picking apart other people's reads without actually offering his own perspective. I haven't seen him do the same thing here. He's relatively new and that's a "tell" that can be fixed, but I lean him town for now. The only thing that gives me pause is his Scotty vote looks bad, both in the wagon position and that his reasoning was pretty much just echoing other people's "role fishing" sus.

Creature is POE because there's no reason for him not to be, I wasn't interested in him yesterday because in my other Syndicate game he low-posted as town so the "volume tell" wasn't convincing for me. But his only votes prior to Scotty were a naked 2nd vote on miranda and a naked 2nd vote on me. He said his miranda vote was because he was least impressed by her on that page, but her only recent content was a day 0 test vote. And that's been about the extent of his solving energy.

Marmot was mostly missing, I remember an early wolf lean of Dennis and then EOD. I didn't really vibe with Marmot's EOD reads, for one thing they were wolfreading me and have carried that into today, and I know that's incorrect. But they were also speculating a Scotty/Santy world, which I thought would be odd positioning to take if they knew Scotty would flip town. But it could have also been a way to place Scotty in a plausible wolf team to justify a vote (which is what Marmot did shortly after).

Falcon/Zenge I have the most turbulence around. I've seen town Zenge make correct pushes that were laser-focused that I didn't understand at all, so I pay attention when he gets this locked in even if I don't completely get it. And I thought falcon was sketchy early on. But the way Z's pushed it has been really twisty, especially his interaction with other people about it when they disagree. And on falcon's end I know he has a scummy playstyle in general, he was misyeeted in the other game I played here. If they were both scum but different factions it'd explain everything tbh

Zenges vs falcons looked pretty straightforward to me. Zenges is tunneling on falcons because he asserts falcons is wolfing and found falcons’s responses to be very evasive. He pretty much took a hardline stance and doubled down on his falcons tunnel. That trajectory looks villagey to me.

It’s the responses to the Zenges vs falcons battle that appear like an attempt to shut down the discussion that look concerning, since it makes me think Zenges might be right and wolves are trying to get the heat off of falcons by diverting attention elsewhere

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:56 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:54 pm Someone summarize me the cases on Scotty and Creature?

Without seeing anything I think its more likely that Creature is a hit because in my mind they tend to obtown more and have more votes from people of the same community

Can I interest you in a Falcon vote?

I think i’m more interested in slooneis and mayos from the way they responded to your falcons push

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:53 am This is a noob question but important.

What’s the difference between Sleep and No Vote? Is the latter simply a way to unvote your previous vote without actually advocating for a no elimination/sleep?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:17 pm @NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:44 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:23 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

Can you rephrase?

Asking to the class for unpairing reads involving Creature or Dennis. And about context in where Dennis voted offwagon while Creature was being cw , to see that maybe being unpairing or not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:29 pm

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:57 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.

Why do you say two night kills here?

i found this weird too. like tmi?

This is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:23 pm I still don't understand Nate's vote waterfalls. Maybe I should just stick to the rivers and the lakes that I'm used to.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:28 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:57 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof

I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it

This is more pockety than what dya said

im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty

I didn't think your read was stated in such a way that it was intended to make Sporty feel good about you, no. Just seemed like a read.

It was really this back-and-forth I didn't like. Nate made a joke about something dya said, but backed down from it in a way that looked to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation or putting his takes out there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:31 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:02 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:10 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:50 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:37 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:15 pm I'd say it looks more like a falcon. This is what he does.

When you say “this is what he does”, it sounds like you’re saying “this is NAI”, is that correct?

Not necessarily. I would lean very slightly towards a town read on him. But, at the very least, he should not be scumread for playing the role of antagonist like this.

Okay, let’s circle back to “This is what he does”.

Because that’s a very generic dismissal of my read and my push. You’re using the fact that you have familiarity with Falcon to completely dismiss my very valid reasons for finding this player to be a wolf.

So with regards to your “This is what he does”, please, I’d like you to be as thorough as possible in your explanation.

"What he does" is pick a fight with a player or a couple of players very early in the game. He'll provoke them and do his darndest to get a big reaction out of folks regardless of whether or not he's right, or is making "logical" sense. My understanding of the play is that he does it to create action.

How his play develops from there might vary from game to game. But this is the typical opening move from falcon.

This is not about picking a fight or provoking a reaction.

I asked him a very simple question, very concisely, twice. The first time he realized he didn’t have a good answer because he was full of it and tried to just walk away from the conversation. The second time he tried to obfuscate and redirect attention, still refusing to admit he was wrong or answer the question.

Coupled with everything else he’s done on thread, this is a wolf.

I’m not letting this go.

You two (falcon and zenge) are reading like two very confident townies to me

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:33 pm That post from pyxxy that everyone is calling hedgy is kinda towny to me

He's told me of this urban myth that runs through his family where sometimes he just gets like a gut feeling that he hasn't done as scum, and it's been used against me to catch me before

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:33 pm I’m liking mightyrunner’s Re-entrance

I’m in the camp now after talking to myself in the bathroom that Dennis is making words and is too reticent. A lot of town reads and since his ALL-CAPS ELEPHANT TRAMPLING THROUGH A VILLAGE on D0, it’s felt much more…careful. Like the goldfish in a large lake. That’s the best I can explain it.

And I’m on the fence with pyxxy’s handling of me. That pyxxy went straight to 3p instead of sussing me outright, AND with Dennis coming straight to pyxxy’s rescue, I’m currently suspecting both of them

Think about it from my perspective for just a moment

I am getting scumread for screwing around in D0 and people are telling me to shut up and play the game (hyperbole no one actually said this)

So I do that, which means I don't talk as much (if that's what reticent means)

Why is it now suspicious I'm not saying as much?

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:56 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:54 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm Alright catch up is done and I regret joining this game if I ever have to do that again

AM, Falcon, SVS, PSV, Zenge all get townreads for now

Marmot's slight scumread on me felt funny, but SVS's explanation sorta cleared that up? Like I know what they are trying to say but it kinda sucks that I'm getting scumread for having a personality D0

This Miranda wagon is nasssty and I don't know why. It feels like literally everyone has not actually said why

Why are you village reading me?

You're so serious I can't not townread you

Like I remember once someone completely cut through the fluff stage in D0 or D1 and sure it was boring but it got the game actually going

You're pretty much doing that here

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:11 pm I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:13 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:11 pm I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

When do you intend to vote?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:16 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:13 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:11 pm I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

When do you intend to vote?

Now see there's a good question

I have no clue I don't really suspect anyone

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:17 pm Marmot gave me weird feelings because it felt like all of their takes were unoriginal and just hopping on bandwagons

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:19 pm So I guess [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

so I guess right now AM

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:02 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:08 pm Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:55 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:28 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:13 pmWhy Dennis?

AM was pretty locked in there. And on re-read a lot of his takes were surface-level town reads (tossing a v/v at Zenge/falcon, town reading AM for being too serious). In the case of the AM read it seemed like it could have been a town read with the intention of getting her to look somewhere else. AM can come off pretty scummy if you're the target of one of her tunnels, and I didn't really see the uncertainty about her motives that I'd expect.

There are a few players similar on this site too so I've gotten used to it. I try to look past that and remind myself it's just how they play

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:43 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:40 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:15 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:14 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:15 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:14 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:13 pmWhy Dennis?

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:03 pm pyxxy targeted me

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:01 pm Oof

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:47 pm I was finding Nate's EOD to be weirdly unhelpful. Like he's here, but his takes and his posts aren't pushing any new points or breaking any ground.

But now I'm just confused by his vote.

Can you explain your Dennis read to me @NateTheLesser?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm Do this for now

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Bad Nate.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:41 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:36 pm Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..

That makes three of us, you me and @Marmot .

Pick someone else:
Animal Midwife
Creature
Dennis
DrWilgy
dyachei
falcon45ca
genny
Kate
Marmot
Mayo the Mayo
mightyrunner7
miranda920
NateTheLesser
Neon
potentialsheltervet
pyxxy
santygrass
SARdoghandler
Scotty
Seanzie
Sloonei
SportPonies
S~V~S
Zenge

I can help get the voting juices flowing.

- Is genny always a low poster?

- Is Zenge always a high poster?

- Does Mayo like to move their vote around a lot when they have time to be in the thread?

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:36 pm Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..

Are you feeling anyone else off the two top wagons?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:11 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:57 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof

I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it

This is more pockety than what dya said

im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty

I didn't think your read was stated in such a way that it was intended to make Sporty feel good about you, no. Just seemed like a read.

Have you played often with Dy/Dya and do you feel like you are good at reading them?

Aka: Am I completely in the wrong here? Have you already found dya as town?

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof

I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it 👍

This is more pockety than what dya said :biggrin:

im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof

I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it