The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:50 pm i do not think creature towntold over the last page

I personally see pissed off townie spiting town by not giving much effort on a legacy

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:50 pm you went from "he's in antispew" to "hes town" pretty fast

my reads are micro reads where sometimes I know what role someone is

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm I think creature and rondo are town

What does Rondo have to do with it.

Creature might flip town here. I'm not entirely convinced, but I never am. There are bad signs though for sure. I just wish if he was town that he was able to project being town through having rational and good solving sometime during the past 48 hours, as opposed to 13 minutes before EOD through ATE.

I was thinking about sending a message that rondo sent verbatim, since I am town I strongly believe rondo is town
and I can see town!creature here

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:47 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm I think creature and rondo are town

Bit late in the day, particularly JUST past the 45 minute mark is pretty suspicious to be shaking up the vote. Why now? Who then?

you and creatures exchange I had mentally before it happened with you two, almost verbatim the conversation occurred then you two had it in thread

Creature
7
37%
Voters: Alison, Seanzie, staypositivefriend, Lilypetal, MacDougall, Boquise, RondoDimBuckle
im just here for popcorn (spec)
6
32%
Voters: Cape90, JaggedJimmyJay, Sabiplz, Scotty, Jackofhearts2005, Spacedaisy
Alison
4
21%
Voters: Porscha, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, lucy
arogame123,
1
5%
Voters: Neon
Neon
1
5%
Voters: Creature
Boquise
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lilypetal
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
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No votes
Voters: None
MissSparkles
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
sleep (no elim)
0
No votes
Voters: None

I think creature and rondo are town

fuck fuck fuck

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:31 pm So are we all in agreement that if Creature is a hit we turbo Neon day 3?

no, I would not read his spew, it got me to lat game in vulture

what spew?

he hard defended me in vulture and got himself lynched d2 to make us look unaligned, which spewed me clear

He hasn't hard defended Neon though.

of course, but if he did that he'd know I knew it, so he wouldn't do exactly that
whatever he is doing, it is spew that shouldn't be read into

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:31 pm So are we all in agreement that if Creature is a hit we turbo Neon day 3?

no, I would not read his spew, it got me to lat game in vulture

what spew?

he hard defended me in vulture and got himself lynched d2 to make us look unaligned, which spewed me clear

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:58 pm brb for a bit. i'll be back for the final 30 minutes of the day probably

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:31 pm So are we all in agreement that if Creature is a hit we turbo Neon day 3?

no, I would not read his spew, it got me to lat game in vulture

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm What's even the fucking point? You all will just lynch Alison D3 anyway. If she flips town we're then truly screwed.

lmao, just realized Mac has read both my scum games somewhat closely

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:03 pm I'm still paranoid of Lilypetal. She feels like she could be coasting wolf alongside Neon.

You have 45 minutes to put a case together. That is something I have noted catching up. You have put 0 proper cases together and just keep posting small replies. Knowing you are on the chopping block and town you would think you are going to try and help town with a good legacy. You havent really dug in and tried to find the real wolf. It feels Anti-Spew garbage thoughts just thrown out from the top of your head "X could be Y" "But you did the same thing why arent you a wolf?" "Do you town read X? Why cant they be wolf?" Where is any attempt to save your own life?

Am I the only one seeing this?

Spoiler: show

If creature is villager I am going to look so bad

yes, he's in anti spew

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:45 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:41 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:34 pm creature, favorite balkan country?

I dunno. Is Kosovo a balkan country? I always found its name funny.

you recognize Kosovo as a country?
1984

Well I definitely remember it being present in my class' school map. I used to find it funny because its name is almost pronounced as "with the eggs" in my native language.

you need re-education

lmao just realized my country doesn't recognize Kosovo as an independent country. Also my country's stance got great company /s.

lmao, what country?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:41 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:34 pm creature, favorite balkan country?

I dunno. Is Kosovo a balkan country? I always found its name funny.

you recognize Kosovo as a country?
1984

Well I definitely remember it being present in my class' school map. I used to find it funny because its name is almost pronounced as "with the eggs" in my native language.

you need re-education

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:34 pm creature, favorite balkan country?

I dunno. Is Kosovo a balkan country? I always found its name funny.

you recognize Kosovo as a country?
1984

creature, favorite balkan country?

I haven't townread boq at any point in this game

how confident are you that creature is scum? do we agree he's in anti spew @Boquise @Alison

im just here for popcorn (spec)
6
33%
Voters: Cape90, JaggedJimmyJay, Sabiplz, Scotty, Jackofhearts2005, Spacedaisy
Alison
4
22%
Voters: Alison, Creature, Porscha, arogame123
Creature
4
22%
Voters: staypositivefriend, Lilypetal, MacDougall, Boquise
arogame123,
1
6%
Voters: Neon
MissSparkles
1
6%
Voters: Seanzie
Neon
1
6%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
Porscha
1
6%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Boquise
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lilypetal
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
sleep (no elim)
0
No votes
Voters: None

copypasta btw

I've still in the middle of towncasing myself and I debated whether to say this for awhile or if it would even help since I don't think I've ever discussed this before and it's icky but I'll just say it:

I promise I'm town.

You've never heard me say I promise in a mafia game before and you'll never hear me say I promise in a mafia game again. That's because it would be a trust tell if I did it as a pattern. I feel like as someone who lies because of being a mafia player I need to have something that's trustworthy no matter what and that's why I make sure my promises are 100% true.

This game is just so important to me and I know I'll feel absolutely horrible if I were the lylo mislim and the reason town loses that I feel like I have to do anything in my power to make town win.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 amBack to work.

why do you townread me?

Vibes. I like your tone and solving and generally how you're posts sound and feel. I dunno how to word it better than that.

is this an independent read, or is it motivated by other peoples reads on me?

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:10 am why do you actually suspect boq/lily
i don’t think there has to be mafia in them

I dunno wagonomics 101 has taught me that in T v T with an off wagon there's usually a woof off wagon. Usually exactly 1.

boq always on alison if he went on alison
lily went off for discussed reasons
alison not conf scum

boq is most cleverest

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 amBack to work.

why do you townread me?

why do you actually suspect boq/lily
i don’t think there has to be mafia in them

@Neon can you drop a reads list or something, thoughts on alison/creature minimum

once you are caught up, evaluate between alison and creature for today
lily should wait imo

still catching up, boq?

have you gotten to the creature case @Boquise

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:07 am Still just think Alison and Creature are both mafia tbh

game is super ez if true

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:24 pm Super secret heavily tilting reads inside don't read if you're SPF

Spoiler: show

If Alison and Creature are mafia SPF is always the third because they would be the player that has had the most energy consumed by both Alison and Creature in antispew lol.

Also Arogame is massively trend down and SPF's read on them is weird and I don't like it.

Lucy is the mayor if I die nobody else.

Seanzie and Rondo are obvious townies at this point.

I can't wait until I get an opportunity to snow you. (actually... I can... I don't think I'd wolf well if I had as much time as I had for this game... but if I had the time... and opportunity... and the will... and the way...). Either way, your townread of me is generous, to say the least.

this is like my 6th town rand on TS without pulling mafia once
literally 1984

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:24 pm Super secret heavily tilting reads inside don't read if you're SPF

Spoiler: show

If Alison and Creature are mafia SPF is always the third because they would be the player that has had the most energy consumed by both Alison and Creature in antispew lol.

Also Arogame is massively trend down and SPF's read on them is weird and I don't like it.

Lucy is the mayor if I die nobody else.

Seanzie and Rondo are obvious townies at this point.

there are so many things that i hate about this post but i will refrain from choosing violence today and go do something else instead

choose violence

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:22 pm u can just say that it will be me

it's never you

but since I am talking to you three scum directly, I will not say who I think it is and you have to gauge if I'm bluffing or not

if I'm correct I know one scum 100%

I feel like ik who the NK will be

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:12 am Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

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did you read my posts after this @Seanzie

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:25 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:37 pm

i'm usually quite good at identifying when someone has a towny progression and when someone is putting in genuine effort into solving the ppl around them - one of the main ways that i solve games like this is just going through ISOs and going through individual progressions until i notice a pattern or find something that sticks out to me

you often play in a deliberately ambiguous way where it is difficult to track where your head is at in the moment or how you are getting from point A to point B, which makes it difficult for me to judge whether your reads are coming from an authentic place. i think this is probably the most clearly ive seen you express your view of the game in any of the 3 games ive played with you so far

What was your/Lucy's alignments in those three games?

town/town
town/town
this is game 3

@staypositivefriend You're noticing a difference in Lucy's play from when they were town... but you're town reading it? Talk me through that.

i don't consider the difference in lucy's play to be alignment indicative for her in either direction, because she made it clear at the beginning of this game that she is going to attempt to communicate her reads more clearly and focus on communication, and i believe she would attempt to do this as either alignment

i also think it's normal for players who are relatively new to mafia to have their playstyles change/develop a lot over the course of several games

Lucy has been playing for years (I think... at least a while), just on discord, not forum. Does that change your assessment?

not really. i played chat mafia for years before i played forum mafia but it still took me quite a while to develop a forum mafia style that works for me

and ask Mac/Alison how much I've changed since halsoven ridge, seems like a decent argument in itself that I'm changing rapidly

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:37 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:05 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:16 am @Seanzie what area of math do u study and are you in industry or academia

I study a subbranch of game theory known as mafia theory.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I'll give you an A in MAF 207 - Introduction to Mountainous if correctly identify why I voted for you.

also I didn't have an answer for why u voted me

You seem more interested in buddying me than solving me.

I didn't want any bad blood between us
and I was gonna wait to solve you because it's not like you'll effect the game state that much which allows me to ignore you
furthermore Mac called you town iirc

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:05 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:16 am @Seanzie what area of math do u study and are you in industry or academia

I study a subbranch of game theory known as mafia theory.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I'll give you an A in MAF 207 - Introduction to Mountainous if correctly identify why I voted for you.

also I didn't have an answer for why u voted me

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:26 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:37 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:21 pm bad read but lucy wanting credit for coming to an alison V creature W world first is towny maybe lol

can you elaborate on why you have trouble reading me

i'm usually quite good at identifying when someone has a towny progression and when someone is putting in genuine effort into solving the ppl around them - one of the main ways that i solve games like this is just going through ISOs and going through individual progressions until i notice a pattern or find something that sticks out to me

you often play in a deliberately ambiguous way where it is difficult to track where your head is at in the moment or how you are getting from point A to point B, which makes it difficult for me to judge whether your reads are coming from an authentic place. i think this is probably the most clearly ive seen you express your view of the game in any of the 3 games ive played with you so far

What was your/Lucy's alignments in those three games?

town/town
town/town
this is game 3

Did you ever complete your MAF 301 assignment? It is past due at this point, so I'm deducting 10% from your grade.

I decided to not answer because you didn't answer me

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:37 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:21 pm bad read but lucy wanting credit for coming to an alison V creature W world first is towny maybe lol

can you elaborate on why you have trouble reading me

i'm usually quite good at identifying when someone has a towny progression and when someone is putting in genuine effort into solving the ppl around them - one of the main ways that i solve games like this is just going through ISOs and going through individual progressions until i notice a pattern or find something that sticks out to me

you often play in a deliberately ambiguous way where it is difficult to track where your head is at in the moment or how you are getting from point A to point B, which makes it difficult for me to judge whether your reads are coming from an authentic place. i think this is probably the most clearly ive seen you express your view of the game in any of the 3 games ive played with you so far

What was your/Lucy's alignments in those three games?

town/town
town/town
this is game 3

I got pissed because it was objectively anti town for lily to not follow me

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:45 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:54 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:27 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:24 pm @MacDougall - can you give me a rough estimate of how confident you are that nanook is town? i find it difficult to get alignment indicative information out of pretty much anything he has posted so far and most of his posts have gone straight through me, which is somewhat unusual because im usually able to figure out when he's town pretty quickly. are you confident there?

I have a gut read on scum nook btw

what other reads do u have rn?

I was expecting you to die and for Mac to unsuccessfully push Alison
since this is not happening my gamestate is off
I know a few things that I have to think more about
Lily should still be in POE @Creature I don't see how she doesn't listen to me in that scenario, and if I'm wrong she just blames me

in the nicest way possible, who cares about what you said to her? if you told me to do something i probably wouldn't listen either lmfao. why are you acting like lily's own decision making is intentionally malicious towards you?

That is my vibe as well. Lucy just wants people to vote with her and has 0 shame demanding they do and gets upset when people ignore her

you followed me and almost lost the game for your faction lol