The Syndicate

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:36 pm Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

can you elaborate why? also how much time do you have to play in the next 140 minutes

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:38 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:38 pm Are the Seanzie votes strickly due to inactivity?

If so, why Seanzie over RondoDimBuckle and ts account also with 0 post....?

rondo's better at the game, is the least offensive answer i think

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:14 pm How about this:

If Scotty is eliminated on Day 1, then everyone else needs to accept certain responsibility in the event of a town flip. This game is unwinnable for town if we don't have active players. That is not a criticism of anyone, because I know we have lives outside this thread. I totally get that. But it's a frank assessment of the situation and the game design.

If Scotty dies and flips town, everyone else has to cooperatively pick up the slack introduced by his loss. That's 116+ posts removed from the game (and all of the future posts that would have existed). Then there will be a Night 1 kill that might remove another highly active player. This thread would immediately be at risk of turning into a ghost town, and that is an L. Period. Town does not win that game.

Those are the stakes. I want us to understand them. If Scotty goes and flips mafia, fantastic. If he goes and flips town, every single one of us has to be prepared to fill the void.

i have many vices, such as men, and opioids, and quaalude's, but this risk is something i'm unwilling to do (unless u and bereft think it's worthwhile)

me and bereft r free

oh wait you didn’t

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:48 pm I think JJJ sheeping someone else is scummy because of who JJJ is as a player.

My entire shtick is encouraging teamwork and building a collective, transformative town effort. Of course I am willing to sheep people sometimes. Frankly, anyone that is unwilling to do that when they are town is playing a selfish and losing brand of Mafia.

no need to say guillo’s name

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:48 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:08 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:21 am wait fuck scotty might be town but i can’t explain this

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:22 am the reason is straight awful but it might be right

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:28 am actually ignore me

Here's a big reason why I don't agree with the robyn sus btw. They're playing unfiltered imo, and have sequences like this that are a lot easier to actually think of than to fake all the steps as a wolf.

Eh. If we’re looking at filtered v unfiltered as an indicator of alignment, then sure. But I don’t think it’s that difficult to have a throughline as wolf

But of the posts you just quoted, Robyn, in summary, posted:
-vague town read for vague reasons
-secret reason
-nm, take it back because [reasons]

That series of posts literally said nothing. I still don’t know who Robyn suspects or why

nobody rn

read last post

also do you normally find abbie confidently town d1?

i do agree with you that those posts aren’t a good reason to tr me, especially when my conversation with jjj and bereft earlier i literally said i was playing filtered lol

i just can’t think of a single decent reason to tr me rn

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:48 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:08 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:21 am wait fuck scotty might be town but i can’t explain this

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:22 am the reason is straight awful but it might be right

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:28 am actually ignore me

Here's a big reason why I don't agree with the robyn sus btw. They're playing unfiltered imo, and have sequences like this that are a lot easier to actually think of than to fake all the steps as a wolf.

Eh. If we’re looking at filtered v unfiltered as an indicator of alignment, then sure. But I don’t think it’s that difficult to have a throughline as wolf

But of the posts you just quoted, Robyn, in summary, posted:
-vague town read for vague reasons
-secret reason
-nm, take it back because [reasons]

That series of posts literally said nothing. I still don’t know who Robyn suspects or why

nobody rn

read last post

also do you normally find abbie confidently town d1?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:40 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:04 pm Scotty is having gripes with people for the sake of having gripes with people and if he's town here, it needs to stop ASAP, because I don't see myself townreading the slot if this keeps up.

Hol up

What is having gripes?

I am firmly on the hot seat and need to parse those voting me as either manipulative or genuine.

Either way, there were 5 people voting me and all are dead wrong, so of course I was having gripes. And I will continue to have gripes, thank you very much. I might have so many gripes they’ll turn into grapes and I’ll eat them

I see now a wagon of 3, who was voting you before?

me/bereft/jjj/svs/cape

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:40 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:02 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:59 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

I mostly enjoyed it. Day 1 is my favorite day of the game.

i like the late game where it comes down to calculation instead of observation and judgement calls. i think that’s why i also prefer the mafia alignment, i feel like it’s grindy and calculation based where i don’t have to be so confused

d1 is nice big i post a lot to imitate/fake influence which i don't have or want really

blah

assuming i’m town what could i do better here fypov?

Assuming you’re town, who would be your top vote atm? In my read back, I don’t really know who you suspect except me (in a fake case)

i don’t know, i’d kill a 0 poster like what jjj is doing and i’d actively choose to save you. it’s what i would do by simple game theory and i can send you an example if you want (although you convinced me against yeeting seanzie because he’d replace out in rondo’s game i believe, and i tried to save you there). i find it hard to make confident reads d1. so i will freely and actively sheep on d1. i do independently solve as you know but like with bereft and jjj here i feel outright redundant for the most part and all of the things i would do they’re beating me to. blah i’m finding it hard to play this game in a way that’s original and where my own voice is heard and seen. but i’m also relying on the fact people know i’m a very good wolf and can make up original in depth reads in hard gamestates on d1 to like “let me play like this”

also to your lying question, i lie frequently as town and scum, i understand why it looks wrong. but i don’t believe that blatantly adding excess pressure on a slot d1 is scummy if you mentally model for a player of my range

as i type this i essentially understand why you wolf read me completely. but the main issue with that is that i’m not limp scum, which is like the only thing that should give me space. i’m the opposite as most players here are familiar with and i’m surprised you like don’t see that? but i also can’t blame you, cause by an objective measurement i would suspect me rn if i was new to mafia

can’t argue the reason and like too much room for error

actually ignore me

the reason is straight awful but it might be right

wait fuck scotty might be town but i can’t explain this

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:05 am I only got up to page 12.

But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.

Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

michelle is a completely random vote btw, i think that she’s towny, in that she’s actually solving, it’s light but it’s there

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:00 am Town Core

Robyn
Long Con
J3
SVS

why isn’t bereft a tr

oh fuck, bereft said he’d specifically tr that kind of post, in his post about svs being town

blah, don’t tr it bereft

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:17 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:09 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:05 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:04 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

If Jay says yes, what's the conclusion?
What if he says no?

nothing, i’m not trying to make a read here

i just wanna understand him and his like personal feelings better that i could probably (and very inaccurately) extend to an alignment read. i’ve tried exactly this before but it’s straight conjecture. so it’s more honest/out of the context of the game and i’m not even gonna try to divine his alignment from this. that would be dumb

Okay, I thought you want to link the enjoyment/lack of with alignament and that would be wrong fmpov and possibly showing an intention to insert a TMI read.

mmmmmmmm, as mafia my main concern is to look uninformed, as people have so much trouble with getting a confident read on me from vibes or posts or something else

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:17 am @robyn I don’t tend to “strong arm” in an assert dominance sense unless i think things are headed for disaster. But it’s often not necessary. Often when I get into leader mode, my preferred votes go over by default or at least someone in my POE pool dies. I don’t have to push since I play a significant role in creating the gamestate that leads to that vote anyway. I am gravity, and the thread is warped spacetime.

understandable, i’m starting to respect players that play by poe more and more

i realize i haven’t sent a gif after nearly 100 posts, i’m outed

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:09 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:02 am i like the late game where it comes down to calculation instead of observation and judgement calls. i think that’s why i also prefer the mafia alignment, i feel like it’s grindy and calculation based where i don’t have to be so confused

d1 is nice big i post a lot to imitate/fake influence which i don't have or want really

blah

assuming i’m town what could i do better here fypov?

I think hypothetical town robyn is doing okay. You’d be on the right track finding a town read (Bereft) and leaning on them to find your way forward.

If there’s anything to build on, it might be communication. I think you’ve done well to restrain impulsive posting, but there’s always room for demonstrative posting. I think your reads have predominantly been framed through lists or in isolated reactions to game content. Those are very useful. But a “demonstrative” read is less reactionary and more purposeful. A “case” is a classic example, though it doesn’t have to be that. If you are able to open a player’s ISO, collect the posts that are most meaningful to you, and lay out a demonstration of your read on that player through those posts, your influence will balloon. That’s just one suggestion.

mommmmm you mean i can’t give straight vibe reads? awwwww

(kk i’ll do that tomorrow)

oh actually while i was thinking of this, being purposeful and all, how much influence will town leader jjj have on the vote, will you strong arm?

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:05 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:04 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

If Jay says yes, what's the conclusion?
What if he says no?

nothing, i’m not trying to make a read here

i just wanna understand him and his like personal feelings better that i could probably (and very inaccurately) extend to an alignment read. i’ve tried exactly this before but it’s straight conjecture. so it’s more honest/out of the context of the game and i’m not even gonna try to divine his alignment from this. that would be dumb

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:04 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

If Jay says yes, what's the conclusion?
What if he says no?

nothing, i’m not trying to make a read here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:59 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

I mostly enjoyed it. Day 1 is my favorite day of the game.

i like the late game where it comes down to calculation instead of observation and judgement calls. i think that’s why i also prefer the mafia alignment, i feel like it’s grindy and calculation based where i don’t have to be so confused

d1 is nice big i post a lot to imitate/fake influence which i don't have or want really

blah

assuming i’m town what could i do better here fypov?

okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

jjj are u a [redacted]

cape if you are town u should appeal to me, you know my read on you is nice

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am Noted, thanks.

he's more manipulative as town rather than as mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:18 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:05 pm Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

Your posts are extremely irritating, madam.
Mhm yes, makes 100 posts, gets shaded by a player who admits to not reading any of them critically, yeah I know I'd be so happy after that one, and totally not give in to natural impulses.

How dare I play a mafia game amIrite

@robyn do you think this exchange is in Bereft's range for mafia teammates (i.e., both he and Abigail as mafia)?

I don't actually suspect this, but I have a reason to ask.

i don't think it's in his range as mafia, not just teammates

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:01 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:53 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn

if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much

my answer to this question would always be no so I am not sure why you are asking this

I do generally think your posts are good, but they haven't leapt out at me as really towny like Bereft's recently have honestly. I think around the point when you started questioning my thunal vote while also being on thunal yourself was pretty towny though, and yes all of those listed are in order.

some people would say yes

understandable, and what do you think about my constant lying so far?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn

if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:39 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:20 am cape what's your read on me/scotty?

anyways, I am starting to come around to you being pretty towny this game

you have to ask about my read on scotty?

bc he strikes me as towny but ur read would've been more involved so i was curious

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:24 am Another note: if Scotty is town, that leads me to serious consideration of his suspicion for LoRab. There's a little uncertainty about her crawling in the back of my brain, even as I broadly favor rolling with consensus for now.

this is a thought i dismissed for reasons of recency bias

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:15 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:14 am i had a question which would've effected the odds you got NK'ed due to reasons, and i had to try really hard to not ask it

I'll leave that decision to your judgment.

Whatever my "reputation" may be, I seem to be the Night 1 less often than expected. It's always been a bit of a chip on my shoulder.

my judgement suggests i don't post it, i can't tell whether the question makes u more or less likely, but i just know it's a serious consideration

so like the part of my brain actively thinking suggests i don't ask it, it's just hard/new to me to refrain from talking

also had a question to bereft which would've made him side eye me

i had a question which would've effected the odds you got NK'ed due to reasons, and i had to try really hard to not ask it

i am really not used to not saying everything that comes to mind, usually i just censor what would get me banned/reported

jjj, you heavily self censor what you put into the thread, do you ever have thoughts that are just incredibly scummy/anti town and have to consciously not say them even if they're funny/interesting/valid?

blahhhhh

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:53 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

u were speaking jibberish, i was posting without restraint and you didn't give a read on me

Complain elsewhere.

nyet

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am I'm going to establish a universal law that the minimum number of games of experience necessary to declare a "god read" is 50 games.

how about like 20 games and 60k dms

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

u were speaking jibberish, i was posting without restraint and you didn't give a read on me

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:47 am I can also be more charitable to Scotty.

Look, lets pretend you knew Robyn was town, what would you do with it?

u should talk about the robyn pocketing bereft game and like the fact ur looking for it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:44 am I'm struggling to follow both Cape and Scotty at present. They're both making a lot of reads, and I really appreciate that. But I don't quite see a thread that allows me to follow their journey. It's like they're pulling posts out of a hat and commenting on them.

Actually this is probably a more apt criticism for Cape than Scotty. The latter has been catching up.

i'm waiting for a classic cape readslist to ask him questions

scotty, why is lying scummy?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:31 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:29 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:28 am Not that I expected @Scotty to have an interest in it regardless, but Scotty did not answer my question.

he's reading iso's and responding to us, i don't think he saw it

Oh I got the strong impression that he was finishing catching up.

wait i'm wrong, i've just been entirely ignoring the jjj/scotty conversation and thought P567 was responding to something from 3-400's

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:28 am Not that I expected @Scotty to have an interest in it regardless, but Scotty did not answer my question.

he's reading iso's and responding to us, i don't think he saw it

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:20 am

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean

this post is actually disgusting, but i have to read cape's posts in the interim, either way blahhhh, early shade on cape who is the easiest mischop on this side of the mississippi is just not a good look for a player of scotty's stature and understanding

tbf i have pretty much through my current play designated myself to being in a pretty mischoppable position

I am self aware of this

i'll strong arm your chop or save, dw

cape what's your read on me/scotty?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:08 am You are basically admitting you are sheeping bereft and are not coming to conclusions on your own.

this is correct, i wanted to see you under pressure, your alignment would be clearer and i sort of did expect you to sr me