The Syndicate

i’m ghosting thread cya

sabi was outed

THANK FUCK

this is a pelt

i'm not a particularly influential player as everyone has seen, however the best attribute that i possess is my read accuracy and my tactical ability. i do and have FPSed successfully on many occasions and i've never fucked one up. the mech is lock. my reads are coming to fruition.

mafia has successfully powerwolfed the entire game and after today there will only be 2 mafia voices in the thread

we will find fellow townies and we will analyze spew

sorry it's taken so long everyone, you must trust me on this one and things will be go very well

everyone has to get on spf though

and i have a felling sig is outing right now because this is the last day where they aren't entirely ignored

mac u have 10 posts left, post less thank you

also agree on sig most likely gf

tutuu might be town bc of this team composition

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:16 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.

but yeah sure maybe im just bad and woflsiding and mac is mafia regardless of anything else because the reasoning in this post is bullshit and mac has already explained why it is bullshit multiple times today

Well yes and no. Yes in that I have but no in that I'm mafia lol. I just stopped to read all the cards.

Lucy is pretty obviously saying she Oracle'd you me and Seanzie and one of us had the judgement card. I didn't, and I doubt Seanzie would have stopped the chop? I can't really see how Lucy can be wrong about it so unless you had the judgement card and didn't use it and Creature is Zealot I can't see how you didn't have it? I know you can't claim so it's bad. But like if this is all true I just want to sort Creature first anyway?

zealot is in sig/porscha, not creature

also can u make a solve mac

sorry for not playing yesterday btw, now u know why i was demotivated

oops, okay i seriously gotta conserve posts now

ask me 5+ questions and i'll respond but me and jack's iso should have everything

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:21 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:02 pm mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

@Porscha vote spf, you haven't, iso jack and me today for your catchup on mech if you are still confused and questions etc

I literally had my vote on spf earlier until fucking mac kept insisting it couldnt be her
Reading this shit getting @ by 4 different people begging me to do the "towny" thing by voting somewhere else is just aggravating me, I'm giving up and parking vote on spf whatever happens after that isnt my problem anymore. The likelihood mac has the answers more than lucy is too low at this point no matter how hard I tr him

thank you a lot, i know this game has been stressful, there won't be anymore changes with votes

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.

Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?

Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be

two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.

Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.

that does not make logical sense

We are as town to assume that

A. The Oracle saw that one of SPF, Macdougall, and ???, played the Judgement card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have played it.
B. The Oracle saw that one of Sig, Porscha, and ???, drew the Death card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have drawn it.

Do you agree or disagree?

both counts are true and in post game you'll learn how mad spf/sabi were today

carry on, ur doing good work

you understand the game enough to trust me and turbo spf who is the most outed

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

Why

I have my reasons.

@MacDougall i suggest reading d5 again because EVERYTHING is there in the thread, i'm not incompetent and i'm playing correctly and spf/sabi are mafia in every world and we know who zealot is tomorrow

i've explained literally everything, you simply must take the position of me being a five head that isn't fps-ing and mafia being outed fmpov

i went off you for a reason, that is the most important part, i am a more than rational actor and you should view me as such

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:05 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:02 pm mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

@Porscha vote spf, you haven't, iso jack and me today for your catchup on mech if you are still confused and questions etc

You are certain Creature cannot be Zealot. Please eli5 this to me.

one in sig/porscha is zealot

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:02 pm mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

i switched off you and onto spf BECAUSE spf/sabi outed themselves and you are town in some worlds

mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

@Porscha vote spf, you haven't, iso jack and me today for your catchup on mech if you are still confused and questions etc

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:31 pm let's just say i have a bad feeling

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:40 pm Falcon
Dennis
Porscha
SPF
Seanzie

Final guess lol.

mac do u think the vote will go through today?

@Dennis vote spf and iso me and jack today, if you have any questions beyond that then ask however i only have 25 posts left

@Bereft @sig @Porscha do you still question my mech?

@staypositivefriend @MacDougall same to you, explain these posts if my mech is bad or that i'm FPS'ing or that i'm confused or some shit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:22 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:18 pm The Judgement card is day playable

you don't think i know?

why do you insist i'm FPSing?

Also Bereft literally said in their post it was played at night and you didn't clarify it was day hence me correcting you. Before you find some one in a million wrinkle how this adds to your confirmation biased brain-dead solve.

you played the mafia alignment well, don't be anymore of a fucking dick about it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:18 pm The Judgement card is day playable

you don't think i know?

why do you insist i'm FPSing?

@sig there are worlds where you are town because of porscha's vote, i'd like you to reread all of d5 again but more closely, you will not be voting tutuu if you do

and if you are town then porscha is outed mafia from your point of view

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:07 pm To summarize.

The No Hang means someone played the Judgement card that they received the night before the hang.

The person who received the Judgement card is within Mac/SPF/ ????

And ??? Better be Seanzie or smth otherwise I will flip out.

So since a Judgement card was used, one of Mac/SPF/??? played it.

the part that outs spf and sabi in particular is the interference that i believe occurred, they were very quick to call it me getting roleblocked (too quickly) and mac/spf/sabi used the particular arguments that suggest tmi that i was not telling the truth

1) argument being "lying and FPSing"
2) hail marry by me on personal reads
3) egotistical play

now the problem here is that all of these arguments were presuming the axiom that i was not telling the truth, something too quickly assumed and not actually established. these arguments are all ones that directly cater to what mafia believe happened because they believed i was successfully interfered with mechanically

they believed i was fps'ing so the arguments would work, the arguments were off in that they assumed too much and tried gaslighting me too hard in the face of actual mech

because there is one in mac/spf that clearly implies the other due to threadstate, NK's and everything that has gone on along with my personal reads

sig/porscha/sabi/spf/mac gg

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:47 pm My interpretation has been that the Judgement card can be only played once not drawn only once, whoever holds a Judgement card immediately loses their ability to use it if someone else uses it.

Hold up lemme check smth. I might be able to allude to knowing this has to be true.

why do you question my mech?

don't you understand i've gone through every step you've gone through and have came to the mechanically correct conclusion which effects my perspective of the game outing one in spf/mac minimum

do you not see the concerted effort to ignore the mech because it outs players?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:42 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.

@Bereft why did you not consider this theoretically possible scenario?

Its obviously theoretically possible that one of Mac and SPF played the judgement card that saved Creature. Its rather obvious that you picked Mac/SPF/prolly Seanzie because theyre now conftown but werent previously. The issue is that I dont care because I think Mac and SPF are town and the math on that judgement card being the only judgement card in play is horrible.

Judgement - Judgement, Rebirth, Inner Calling, Absolution. This card will not be used more than once in the game. The player who draws this card has the choice whether or not to absolve the person who gains the most votes in the following day poll, resulting in no elimination.

13 left
11 means 6/5
6 town 5 mafia
nk and lynch
5 town 4 mafia
nk
4 town 3 mafia

mafia wins, and they’ve stacked on tutuu

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:12 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm @Dennis i was just mentally preparing a message for you to vote spf and whether or not you understood mechanics

thankfully you do understand mechanics

however if we mislynch here we lose

and 2 mechanically confirmed mafia currently on tutuu which is the part that spews her town for me

nothing else to say to you that rereading d5 can’t show you

besides the important fact tutuu has pointed out, mafia need 1 town to vote with them and town loses

We have one more phase if we misvote here.

zealot exists making it a loss, mafia has stacked on tutuu

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.

@Bereft why did you not consider this theoretically possible scenario?

@Dennis i was just mentally preparing a message for you to vote spf and whether or not you understood mechanics

thankfully you do understand mechanics

however if we mislynch here we lose

and 2 mechanically confirmed mafia currently on tutuu which is the part that spews her town for me

nothing else to say to you that rereading d5 can’t show you

besides the important fact tutuu has pointed out, mafia need 1 town to vote with them and town loses

tutuu stop posting

schweppes, read back up from d5 start and trust that i’m telling the truth and understand mechanics

it's funny really, mafia are going like lemmings off a cliff arguing about about a specific mechanical aspect, spf/sabi/mac all had the same argument to dissuade me about a specific piece of info and spf/sabi overextended and mac is using the same argument not understanding that they're outed. unfortunately for them a mechanically slight of hand occurred and the next 4/5 lynches are now mafia

god you're fucking annoying, but this is just a game and we both played correctly

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:52 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:49 am yeah spf/mac/sabi all lockscum

Sabi is now lock scum too?

Why?

read d5 again very closely

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:34 am Okay Lucy I'm using my one time pass here. I only get one of these trust claims ever. We've discussed this. You know what I'm talking about. I'm breaking the glass.

did you expect this to work?

yeah spf/mac/sabi all lockscum

tutuu stop posting thanks, be productive and case townies and scum when u get the chance, stop livechatting entirely

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:28 am real you'd have been modkilled

hwo do you know?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:25 am because that is not how the oracle role works based on the description in the OP. it especially does not seem logical for you to both have the information that:

A. the card was played by someone on the creature wagon

B. the card was definitely played by one of me/mac

which means that you have already demonstrably not told the truth about one thing today

i am banned from talking about mechanics, i maintain my position

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:18 am it is not logically possible for you to know for sure that the judgement card was played by someone on the creature wagon

why?

spf overextended in grilling me on mechanics and has openwolfed the entirety of this cycle, if you read my iso, sabi's iso, and spf's d5 iso you can very clearly see why and how. i will explain this more in like 12h however she is mafia and it won't be a difficult case

page 4 of seanzie iso is why he died, he was hard pushing mac and spf, this is clearly important

the rest of mafia will be cases thorough and done in the next 20h, i'd simply like every town to read d5 again and again and again and simply observe the wolfing going on

dennis/sig/sabi/spf/mac

tell me if someone has an issue with my current solve, creature was TR by me and alison, jack is blatantly town and creature too. Falcon was seanzie's strongest tr, i tr bereft. tutuu has been hardpushed today by confirmed mafia and i tr her fairly strongly

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:50 am torn between saying "ayo what the [redacted] is going on in here" and

just holding my head in my hands in silence

read up from start of day closely and vote spf thanks

can you explain to me why you scumread tutuu @MacDougall @staypositivefriend

from my point of view they are confirmed town because there is confirmed one mafia pushing for their elimination. and the gamestate is not one that is being wolfed by creature/bereft/wigly/falcon

similarly there's the matter that seanzie would hardpush mac this cycle, he would not stop and he would not change his mind. i don't understand why that is being ignored and i don't understand why mac and spf are ignoring all my arguments and are not trusting me

can you both also propose teams that exist

because from what i understand about the game, two sides have clearly been taken. and one side has been intentionally against since the start and i've had the least influence in any game in this particular game. i think it's obvious why i didn't play last cycle. similarly i think it's obvious that if this is a ML then mafia simply wins because of Zealot

i do not understand why you townread mac @staypositivefriend i'd also like you to explain why you townread spf @MacDougall

i think those positions are simply not ones that are realistic in this gamestate by either of you because i've just wolfed with you in hydra game, mac specifically stated on multiple occasions that in these gamestates you lynch spf

i also cannot fucking reconcile all the horseshit i've gotten, this is fucking day 5 without a single fucking mafia pelt. you two cannot fucking point at a player and say "obv scum" you have to fucking own up to how you made the gamestate and give real reads and NEITHER of you are doing that. and that is ignoring the reasons why spf/sabi are outed and the fact neither of your solves are fucking realistic

and why THE FUCK are you saying i don't understand mechanics, THAT's the most blatantly scummy and manipulative thing i've ever seen knowing that i cannot fucking explain the mechanics that i do have beyond what i have explained

all these points are to say the team is sabi/spf/mac/sig-porscha/x

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:41 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:55 pm Mac, I know you’re excited to get to the “guess the zealot” portion of the game but come on.

@lucy if mac is the zealot i just think u should consider jack mafia

Otherwise i fully trust ur judgement Queen

Thanks for saving the game <3

Anyone whos trynna bully lucy - u answer to me first.

iso me again from day start

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:33 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:30 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:29 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:28 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm I don't think Mac is wolf.

Lucy pushing info that Mac is wolf after saying she was roleblocked the night the card WA sused is????

can you explain why you said i was roleblocked

I reread eod

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:44 pm something interfered with my ability last night

but i mentioned getting results which you knew and commented on, saying i was roleblocked was contrary to thread information

why did you say roleblocked if you knew i had actions?

I think sabi is town based off day talk

Idk bout this slip

Ill trust u

that slip outed spf too, reread the conversation and their posturing and arguments

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:29 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:28 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm I don't think Mac is wolf.

Lucy pushing info that Mac is wolf after saying she was roleblocked the night the card WA sused is????

can you explain why you said i was roleblocked

I reread eod

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:44 pm something interfered with my ability last night

but i mentioned getting results which you knew and commented on, saying i was roleblocked was contrary to thread information

why did you say roleblocked if you knew i had actions?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm I don't think Mac is wolf.

Lucy pushing info that Mac is wolf after saying she was roleblocked the night the card WA sused is????

can you explain why you said i was roleblocked

one last thing everyone should know, sabi is hard outed

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:51 pm Fmpov spf, dennis, mac, seanzie, lucy, jack and to an extent creature all openwolfed/trolled that eod. Idk what happened lol

Spf, dennis, mac are clearly w/w/w

Jack might be mafia too if mac is the zealot and creature was.absolved

I dunno why wolves thought all jumping on creature ends the game

Could creature kill 2 mafia after getting chopped?

Like is creature non-zealot mafia who had the vengeful card, and his action was doubled from another card? And a town played the stop chop card?

read the thread closely from day start and come back after reading everything

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 pm lucy is top 5 town players in this list and her word should be trusted. Whether you want to blindly sheep her or not is up to you but if people go around saying that lucy is a bad player and shouldn't be trusted they are mafia. This is a big reason why Roxy is scummy that people are overlooking.

very relevant post for our situation

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:25 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:55 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:51 pm Judgement card can be only played once.

i theoretically know who played it

Who?

i'm no longer allowed to talk about my ability lol, just closely read the read

thread, okay, i'm strongly believing jack/wigly are town, most likely creature too

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:25 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:55 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:51 pm Judgement card can be only played once.

i theoretically know who played it

Who?

i'm no longer allowed to talk about my ability lol, just closely read the read

sabi/sig/mac/spf/x