The Syndicate

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:02 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:22 pm I think Kutis wall is town indicative for her

Seanzie looks towny to me this game

Dyachei feels more... Typical this game

Jack feels okay so far I guess

Anyways see y'all later lol

Sorry

You all started to post too much today

I think this line looks pretty ugly if Sabi is W.

(note: I'm not preflipping kuti W yet, far from it. Just want to get this out there in the world where kuti flips W and I die in the night)

Also @cape no Spacedaisy never posted, it's my n0

In other news: I don't think there's too much posts to read since Cape left. Far from it. So Im a little flabbergasted by his reaction of "oh damn NOW u guys are posting, I won't be able to keep up anymore"

I feel weird that you already thinking I'm w even if you aren't preflipping me. Just you saying this doesn't mean you aren't. You kinda already built this agenda im wolf with this and the one about marmot being towny for thinking I'm chosen to be wolf.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:55 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:24 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:57 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:54 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.

I don't see a problem with this progression. I read Sabi's post as: "When Shending is town they have good tone, when they are wolf they have bad tone. Their tone is good at first, but then they have a post with really bad tone and now I no longer townread them". That doesn't seem like a particularly unnatural thought process.

I struggle to shorten everything positive Sabi said about me down to "their tone is good at first", which is where my problem originates from.

But thanks for your viewpoint

Why is this a problem Swede?

I'm basically just telling Alison that her way of paraphrasing how your progression on me went didn't line up with what I read. (so sticking by what I said in my initial post about it)

(I have a feeling you're misreading what I'm saying here again since you didn't read/take in the point in my initial post)

(I did misread)
(I'm sorry)

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:51 pm

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:21 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:16 am
Shending_help:

I really like their tone in this opening posts. Feels very nature and genuine.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

I have play a bunch of turbo games with Swede here. When they are wolf they have difficulties articulating reads and feel very stiff and safe. When town they are very brazen and loud with their reads. What I mean is they don't mind dropping controversial takes when town. This post below is very much in their town meta range:

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 pm My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing

Anyway I like this post, very much shows Swede being comfortable, showing progression in their thoughts.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:36 pm I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

The last bit about about guessing how many mafia there is feels like a town slip. Yes I think all town slips are fake but this kinda feels real.

All the praise about Swede kinda gone with this post. I feel like as soon as she faced someone familar push back on them their tone got way more stiff. I dunno feels very uncomfortable to me.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:36 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:06 pm Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

With all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by design

But...

No I swear I'm not!!!

Hmm.

I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.

1) sabi: "shending's opening rly towny/natural"
2) sabi: “shending is very stiff and safe as a wolf, which is unlike here *shows example*" "he's comfortable, showing progression"
3) sabi: "I don't generally believe in townslips but this seems like a townslip."
4) lastly she takes away all earlier positive thoughts from a single jokey response to a post from Wisdom that she didn't even agree with (that I still read as more of a joke than anything else).

And it's all done in a single catch-up post as well. I always feel iffy when people post a long progression of "oh I'm changing my mind here look at this" in a post that can be edited before posting. Like I understand that townies do it sometimes too, but I think it's rand W tbh. Especially when in this case I don't really believe Sabi would completely drop me down to Full Null (or even more?) from 1 bad small joke post when she was earlier talking so confidently about me having done like 3-4 things she found very towny. Meta stuff as well as non-meta stuff.

My reaction is to just snap kill this, but I need input from other ppl here

I can link my games that's aren't turbos.

I like to show my progression in thoughts in posts. Every day one, except one where I was town pr, I have struggled in.

I also did that post at like midnight after being awake since 6 am and on two cold meds so I apologize for how bad it is.

So like... I didn't really say your post was "so bad" on an objective level or anything

I'm just struggling to see how you went "nope i take back all Shen towncred I gave out from this 1 post" when you had lined up all these reasons why you think I'm town. That's my only gripe with it

And then later on when you came back you still said that I was town for reasons you had described earlier (in that wall-post I assume)

So im just confused. Are you saying you being tired made you type that you took back the townread on me by mistane even if that wasn't the case? Or what exactly do you mean

It feels like you didn't even read my post to be completely honest and just went to the excuses why it was 'bad' instantly when that was never what I said

What I mean is I had doubts on the townread from your interaction with wisdom but rereading everything, I felt like you were town. You and wisdom don't have a partner feel in your interaction.

I apologize for my confusing post. In order of the highest confidence of not being mafia its Alison, wisdom, and you in that order.

I kinda just want to redo everything lol that post fucked me over.

OK I isoed HK and I have first hand knowledge of mafia HK, wolfsided town HK, and town HK. The whole spectrum of HK. I will compare with his mu games so bear with me.

P#77 (I think I'm formating this correct) has no explanation of his reads. Doesn't expand or go into detail. Town HK and wolfsided town HK (Albert like V briefly) goes into somewhat detail of his reads. He usually just doesn't do townreads but includes other types of reads.

P#78 feels pockety. HK tends to do this in his town meta

P#87 HK when town tries to not ruffle feathers. The fact he keeps butting head with someone he supposedly tr and trying to pocket (which is conflicting from earlier) is not what he does as town.

Him constantly antagonizing her p#100. He does this thing where he twists what someone says to go under their skin. He has done this to me when maf. He loves blaming others for when he incorrectly sr them.

Last part p#124 is HK has their weird expectation where he needs people to do stuff that his brain decided is the only way to do things. That's NAI for him but just want to point that out.


Summery: he's more in his mafia range than not.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:24 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:15 pm I skimmed a few D1s from Sabiplz, and am okay staying on them. I'm not going to promise I read the games super close, but nothing about her town v scum made me think she is town now, and a few things made me think she could be wolf (she felt a lot more comfortable in her first MU game than she does here, and as town she seems to do more reads and less casing, whereas here and in at least one of her mafia games, she did what felt more like casing on D1 rather than reads). I don't think these meta reads should hold too much weight, but the fact that they point negatively makes me okay staying where I'm at.

I think they prefer they/them to she.

I will say I always wolf read sabi early and it's hard for me to get a handle on them. They are usually easier to read as the game goes on, at least in turbos

Thanks for the correction, and sorry @Sabiplz for the misgender. I will try hard to use your preferred pronouns from here on out.

It's fine. I just want you to read my fol game because that's super recent. I'm trying out new sites and I'm obviously not comfortable here yet. I was the joat that game and was struggling D1 just like rn.

All in saying is give me till D2. Yall can hammer if I'm not obv town ing my ass off. All I'm asking. Let me get my feet in this game.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:15 pm I skimmed a few D1s from Sabiplz, and am okay staying on them. I'm not going to promise I read the games super close, but nothing about her town v scum made me think she is town now, and a few things made me think she could be wolf (she felt a lot more comfortable in her first MU game than she does here, and as town she seems to do more reads and less casing, whereas here and in at least one of her mafia games, she did what felt more like casing on D1 rather than reads). I don't think these meta reads should hold too much weight, but the fact that they point negatively makes me okay staying where I'm at.

@Seanzie i played fol. Last week for first time and was very uncomfortable and I was the joat. Should I link that as well?I was wagoned D1 due to it.

I'm sadbi

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/silent ... s/2487/271

@Seanzie correct link https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/silent ... ns/2507/17

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:15 pm I skimmed a few D1s from Sabiplz, and am okay staying on them. I'm not going to promise I read the games super close, but nothing about her town v scum made me think she is town now, and a few things made me think she could be wolf (she felt a lot more comfortable in her first MU game than she does here, and as town she seems to do more reads and less casing, whereas here and in at least one of her mafia games, she did what felt more like casing on D1 rather than reads). I don't think these meta reads should hold too much weight, but the fact that they point negatively makes me okay staying where I'm at.

@Seanzie i played fol. Last week for first time and was very uncomfortable and I was the joat. Should I link that as well?I was wagoned D1 due to it.

I'm sadbi

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/silent ... s/2487/271

I dunno why I'm getting heat when players like falcon45ca barely posted any content.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:47 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm


For a second, I was concerned now that the content of sabi's post that I responded to weren't actually things that she said lol.

But I'm pretty certain they were based on the content.

What did you not like about my content. Be honest with me.

I explained it in P#207 (if you scroll past the final failed quote tag). I don't like that you're discrediting everyone's attempts to read LC's draft process.

For naa:

2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

I hate the self meta. Hasn't included any proof of these sentiments and last I checked Brad only dislikes a handful of players and his name has never came up when he discusses that.

For wisdom:

I quite literally explained Alison. Since the cats V dogs game is over can quote something Brad said in dvc about Alison as mafia if that's allowed? Please lmk

For sean:

Idk if Brad would. Do. That strategy. That's all.

I agree with NAA's read. If NAA was chosen, it was specifically a wifom choice.

Who in this game has Brad talked about disliking?

What. strategy. is. that?

No one mentioned on the playerlist that's why I don't get the whole Brad hates me hence why I'm not mafia. There's two players I know Brad wouldn't include as mafia for how polarizing they are as mafia and can easily sr for it. One of those people in more confident on not being it (Alison) then the other (wisdom).

Sorry I'm phone posting.

You only know like half the playerlist here. I don't know in what capacity you know Brad, but I would be surprised if he routinely talked bad to you about people he doesn't expect you to know (like NAA or other people here on a site you don't normally play on). Did this factor into you "people's takes on Brad are bad" take?

I don't really get your Brad/Alison take. She is one of the best wolves on this site, and I feel like Brad is cognizant of this.

Why are you sorry about phone posting?

I only know the mu people. Brad and I are V close friends and I talk to him several hours every day. I did factor that in but Brad has mentioned people idk in his dislikes esp because I'm new to the scene.

Am I allowed to post the quote from Brad from a games dvc that ended about Alison wolf game because I can.

I badly type

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:39 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:21 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:16 am
Shending_help:

I really like their tone in this opening posts. Feels very nature and genuine.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

I have play a bunch of turbo games with Swede here. When they are wolf they have difficulties articulating reads and feel very stiff and safe. When town they are very brazen and loud with their reads. What I mean is they don't mind dropping controversial takes when town. This post below is very much in their town meta range:

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 pm My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing

Anyway I like this post, very much shows Swede being comfortable, showing progression in their thoughts.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:36 pm I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

The last bit about about guessing how many mafia there is feels like a town slip. Yes I think all town slips are fake but this kinda feels real.

All the praise about Swede kinda gone with this post. I feel like as soon as she faced someone familar push back on them their tone got way more stiff. I dunno feels very uncomfortable to me.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:36 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:06 pm Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

With all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by design

But...

No I swear I'm not!!!

Hmm.

I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.

1) sabi: "shending's opening rly towny/natural"
2) sabi: “shending is very stiff and safe as a wolf, which is unlike here *shows example*" "he's comfortable, showing progression"
3) sabi: "I don't generally believe in townslips but this seems like a townslip."
4) lastly she takes away all earlier positive thoughts from a single jokey response to a post from Wisdom that she didn't even agree with (that I still read as more of a joke than anything else).

And it's all done in a single catch-up post as well. I always feel iffy when people post a long progression of "oh I'm changing my mind here look at this" in a post that can be edited before posting. Like I understand that townies do it sometimes too, but I think it's rand W tbh. Especially when in this case I don't really believe Sabi would completely drop me down to Full Null (or even more?) from 1 bad small joke post when she was earlier talking so confidently about me having done like 3-4 things she found very towny. Meta stuff as well as non-meta stuff.

My reaction is to just snap kill this, but I need input from other ppl here

I can link my games that's aren't turbos.

I like to show my progression in thoughts in posts. Every day one, except one where I was town pr, I have struggled in.

I also did that post at like midnight after being awake since 6 am and on two cold meds so I apologize for how bad it is.

Linking a few games would be nice (preferably at least one town and one mafia)

I'm not going to link my one mafia game in MU because I'm ashamed of my extreme ate and deeply embarrassed by it. My other homesite is webdip and I can link those games with my iso:

First time randing mafia, multiball, I end gamed into a draw (1-1-1)

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... f=4&t=3784 game link
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... sharamSabi my iso

Second mafia rand, normal, mafia sweep and won

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... f=4&t=3915 game link
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... sharamSabi my iso

Here are my mu town games:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35684
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35591
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36308
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35929

I'm Kuti plz

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:09 pm LOL

For like 5 seconds I thought Marmot was having the exact same problems with my response to the wisdom post as sabi had earlier, but thank the lord it was just a misquoted sabi post

For a second, I was concerned now that the content of sabi's post that I responded to weren't actually things that she said lol.

But I'm pretty certain they were based on the content.

What did you not like about my content. Be honest with me.

I explained it in P#207 (if you scroll past the final failed quote tag). I don't like that you're discrediting everyone's attempts to read LC's draft process.

For naa:

2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

I hate the self meta. Hasn't included any proof of these sentiments and last I checked Brad only dislikes a handful of players and his name has never came up when he discusses that.

For wisdom:

I quite literally explained Alison. Since the cats V dogs game is over can quote something Brad said in dvc about Alison as mafia if that's allowed? Please lmk

For sean:

Idk if Brad would. Do. That strategy. That's all.

I agree with NAA's read. If NAA was chosen, it was specifically a wifom choice.

Who in this game has Brad talked about disliking?

What. strategy. is. that?

No one mentioned on the playerlist that's why I don't get the whole Brad hates me hence why I'm not mafia. There's two players I know Brad wouldn't include as mafia for how polarizing they are as mafia and can easily sr for it. One of those people in more confident on not being it (Alison) then the other (wisdom).

Sorry I'm phone posting.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:15 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:11 am hi SS! do you have a read on wisdom since you know her better than I do?

Leaning V currently, mostly from gut

But I haven't actually been in a game where Wisdom wolfed (i won't count FAM because they died there pretty much as d1 started) on forum. I have read some old ISOs where they wolfed though.

I'll go into their ISO rn to try to put some words of my thoughts

Do you think wisdom could pocket you? Have you read her last wolf game, the soda. Mafia game? If so, compare that wisdom to this game.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:57 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:54 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.

I don't see a problem with this progression. I read Sabi's post as: "When Shending is town they have good tone, when they are wolf they have bad tone. Their tone is good at first, but then they have a post with really bad tone and now I no longer townread them". That doesn't seem like a particularly unnatural thought process.

I struggle to shorten everything positive Sabi said about me down to "their tone is good at first", which is where my problem originates from.

But thanks for your viewpoint

Why is this a problem Swede?

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:16 am
Shending_help:

I really like their tone in this opening posts. Feels very nature and genuine.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

I have play a bunch of turbo games with Swede here. When they are wolf they have difficulties articulating reads and feel very stiff and safe. When town they are very brazen and loud with their reads. What I mean is they don't mind dropping controversial takes when town. This post below is very much in their town meta range:

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 pm My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing

Anyway I like this post, very much shows Swede being comfortable, showing progression in their thoughts.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:36 pm I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

The last bit about about guessing how many mafia there is feels like a town slip. Yes I think all town slips are fake but this kinda feels real.

All the praise about Swede kinda gone with this post. I feel like as soon as she faced someone familar push back on them their tone got way more stiff. I dunno feels very uncomfortable to me.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:36 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:06 pm Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

With all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by design

But...

No I swear I'm not!!!

Hmm.

I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.

1) sabi: "shending's opening rly towny/natural"
2) sabi: “shending is very stiff and safe as a wolf, which is unlike here *shows example*" "he's comfortable, showing progression"
3) sabi: "I don't generally believe in townslips but this seems like a townslip."
4) lastly she takes away all earlier positive thoughts from a single jokey response to a post from Wisdom that she didn't even agree with (that I still read as more of a joke than anything else).

And it's all done in a single catch-up post as well. I always feel iffy when people post a long progression of "oh I'm changing my mind here look at this" in a post that can be edited before posting. Like I understand that townies do it sometimes too, but I think it's rand W tbh. Especially when in this case I don't really believe Sabi would completely drop me down to Full Null (or even more?) from 1 bad small joke post when she was earlier talking so confidently about me having done like 3-4 things she found very towny. Meta stuff as well as non-meta stuff.

My reaction is to just snap kill this, but I need input from other ppl here

I can link my games that's aren't turbos.

I like to show my progression in thoughts in posts. Every day one, except one where I was town pr, I have struggled in.

I also did that post at like midnight after being awake since 6 am and on two cold meds so I apologize for how bad it is.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:05 pm Sabi have you read all posts? And if yes, I'm a little surprised you didnt adress my post about your read on me from earlier

I might have missed it. The ui is a bit confusing because every time I post it jumps around where I left off

All right now I can give is meta reads.

Wisdom is very polarizing. I have seen two scum games and three town game sof theirs. When they are scum, they are frozen and stiff. Can't give natural reads at all. Or any reads for the matter. The fact they are posting a lot is a towntell. Their last scum game was like 2 weeks ago? And this is day and night from that one.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:28 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:24 pm A lot of you know I obv town day two of games and suck day one. This isn't new. Give me till day 2,if I don't town tell then hammer me. I was extremely distracted this day one.

I know that I've played with you before (in the MS hydra game), but I don't have any idea how you play. Why do you think you suck at Day 1?

Do you have any reads on other players?

Because it takes me a day to get comfortable in a game, I need a night to read and analyze interactions and flip/votes to build a world. Day one are hard because I'm V reliant on analyzing interactions based off flips.

I gave some of my reads already

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:09 pm LOL

For like 5 seconds I thought Marmot was having the exact same problems with my response to the wisdom post as sabi had earlier, but thank the lord it was just a misquoted sabi post

For a second, I was concerned now that the content of sabi's post that I responded to weren't actually things that she said lol.

But I'm pretty certain they were based on the content.

What did you not like about my content. Be honest with me.

I explained it in P#207 (if you scroll past the final failed quote tag). I don't like that you're discrediting everyone's attempts to read LC's draft process.

For naa:

2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

I hate the self meta. Hasn't included any proof of these sentiments and last I checked Brad only dislikes a handful of players and his name has never came up when he discusses that.

For wisdom:

I quite literally explained Alison. Since the cats V dogs game is over can quote something Brad said in dvc about Alison as mafia if that's allowed? Please lmk

For sean:

Idk if Brad would. Do. That strategy. That's all.

I'm never multitabling again

A lot of you know I obv town day two of games and suck day one. This isn't new. Give me till day 2,if I don't town tell then hammer me. I was extremely distracted this day one.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:19 pm I could see sabi and Alison being teammates based on sabi's treatment of Alison. But also they're two of the three leading wagons, so maybe that's a little bold.

Me and Alison don't get along in games. Her alt on mu is ariel and every game with that account I butted heads with. Brad would never put us together because Allison bussed me when we were mafia.

Check the ita game from Visorslash

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:09 pm LOL

For like 5 seconds I thought Marmot was having the exact same problems with my response to the wisdom post as sabi had earlier, but thank the lord it was just a misquoted sabi post

For a second, I was concerned now that the content of sabi's post that I responded to weren't actually things that she said lol.

But I'm pretty certain they were based on the content.

What did you not like about my content. Be honest with me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:14 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:13 pm People ask me things so I can give you my thoughts. I hate day ones and the timing of this game sucked ass for me because of another robligation

Why do you hate people reading into LC's drafting thought process?

Because everyone sucked at analyzing Brad lol. I know how he feels about some players because we played with yall. Like I said I will bet everything that Alison is not w. That's my most confident read. Call it tmi, idc.

People ask me things so I can give you my thoughts. I hate day ones and the timing of this game sucked ass for me because of another robligation

I really 100% doubt Brad would ever make Alison mafia. He knows she's difficult to read and people scum read her easily. That's the one Brad read I can confidently say.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:09 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:08 pm OK I'm around. Someone please ask me shit so I can show you my reads because day ones are hard

Why don’t you have an avatar? >:-(

I'm not on my laptop. I'm phone posting rn.

Just imagine it's a cat pfp

I have Swede, cape, Jack as my strongest town reads so far.

I explained my Swede read. The tone is there of trying to solve.

Cape posts yesterday were good and he's easy for me to read.

Jack is already building a world view.

I feel like dya can try to town tell harder but I struggle with reading them in general.

Marmot I wasn't impressed with.

OK I'm around. Someone please ask me shit so I can show you my reads because day ones are hard

Catch up post: (idk how post numbers work here so bare with me)

Here are the people that stand out to me:

Shending_help:

I really like their tone in this opening posts. Feels very nature and genuine.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

I have play a bunch of turbo games with Swede here. When they are wolf they have difficulties articulating reads and feel very stiff and safe. When town they are very brazen and loud with their reads. What I mean is they don't mind dropping controversial takes when town. This post below is very much in their town meta range:

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 pm My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing

Anyway I like this post, very much shows Swede being comfortable, showing progression in their thoughts.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:36 pm I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

The last bit about about guessing how many mafia there is feels like a town slip. Yes I think all town slips are fake but this kinda feels real.

All the praise about Swede kinda gone with this post. I feel like as soon as she faced someone familar push back on them their tone got way more stiff. I dunno feels very uncomfortable to me.


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Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:06 pm Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

With all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by design

But...

No I swear I'm not!!!
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Seanzie turn:

He had a weird first page opening that I don't even want to register as.

Anyway I do like this post from them but also it feels like they are just saying words for the sake of saying words and don't actually mean it. He wants to appear like oh hey look at me spittingniut buzz words.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:14 pm CWAC - Contribute without actually contributing. Anything that has the "feeling" of moving the game forward without really having an impact. Often comes in the form of questions that don't go anywhere. Wolves and town both do it, but wolves will sometimes do only CWAC and IIoA (information instead of analysis) in hopes that townies don't spot that they really aren't positively impacting the gamestate.

Yes, multitask, that was a typo. TS is not MS, so this is not gospel here, but: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Multitasking. From what I can tell of what Nook wrote, I think it is clear that mafia members could be assigned multiple roles, but they'd only be able to use one role per night (they can use their role and carry the NK on the same night though), so LC is unlikely to take more roles than mafia members (aside from a few edge cases where maybe they took a role useless for scum in order to keep it from town).

I dunno how I feel about everyone analyzing the draft and analyzing Brad (lc) decision making. We're teams decided before or after knowing it's mafia?

Anyway to wisom

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:06 pm Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

…. I don't think this was pockety at all. Feels kinda forced. Same with Sweden response to it. I don't like it.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:28 pm I'm the doctor.

Also Alison is 100% someone Brad/BlueKang/LimeCoke would first pick as mafia.

Why would Brad pick Alison to be mafia? AFAIK Alison gets sr easily due to her unorthodox play style and philosophy of the game which causes people not to tr her.

Hate this opening of falcon.
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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:47 pm Imma 'bout to get blasted.



It's Morphin' Time!

This is very towny tone and voice by cape. He's seems relaxed. I hate the overexplanation of being afk tho.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:56 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

Yeah, and not to mention that I want to kinda use at least 45 posts today if possible because I am busy tomorrow and won't be able to post much (will still try to read everything but don't expect high ;level of activity and if i survive into day 2, might make catch-up )

It's also hard to tryhard when I don't particularly have hard stances on really anything though I am getting pretty okay vibes from this prodding around you are doing so far

Why are we spending so much time analyzing Brad. I'm the #1bradxpert. I will expand more on why I hate these posts tomorrow.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:29 pm This is a draft game? Lime Coke drafted mafia team...

Well, I'm confirmed town.

1) Lime Coke hates me and would never subject himself to being in a chat with me
2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

Gym class is easy. I won't post again today, but I'll vote someone later. If I ever die during the day this game, I take no responsibility for it because you should all know better, and those who don't should inform themselves. It's not just like "Lime Coke slightly dislikes this guy"... It's bad.

Anyway goijg to bed. I want to say stuff but I have all day tomorrow to explain. Gn

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:12 pm [VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

im fine with HK wagon too ftr, but I think this is just as good

Swede, I didn't know you were in this game. I was busy with other stuff smh but I'm here now. How may I help you?

OK I can finally focus on this game now. Let me catch up and what not.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:15 pm @Cape90 @Sabiplz since you both are new here, can you let me know your mafia experience (approx number of games/years played), where you're from, and who you know on this playerlist?

I've been playing a little over two years, probably played 50+ games in that time, I'm from MafC but mostly play her on TS, and I know everyone on the playerslist (including the two coaches) except you two and Shending_Help.

@Seanzie I'm from mafia universe (Kuti plz) and webdip (BesharamSabi). I have been playing for a year and have a mix of forum and turbo games. I think it's less than twenty forum games and a shit ton of turbos.

People I have played with (completed games)
Cape90 (forum and turbo)
Dyachei (forum and turbo)
Hallowkat (forum)
Wisdom (forum and turbo)

Players I know but haven't completed a game with:
Alison
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot

Thank you cape. I will do this when I get to a laptop. I guess

How do I add a pfp?

Howdy everyone

I'm new to syndicate. What should I know in terms of how to iso, do quotes, post numbers, etc? Is there a guide.