The Syndicate

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:13 am Like the person who makes the most sense today as wolf pattner given the known facts if hk is a wolf is nook.

That's when alarm bells should start ringing lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:10 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:09 am I did not. But that is different tbh

Hk attacking a partner in thread is different than sabi meltdowning on town.

The point is sometimes partners do stuff without consultation or consent

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:09 am In that scenario if I was mafia with HK I would have started the day like:

Okay we just chop HK see you in 2 days.
Then after a while when I see Mac wagoned and HK not being wagoned I find a way to put my vote elsewhere pretty fast, I probably have a hair trigger for putting it back on him though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:08 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:04 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

JJJ once told me the greatest failing of towns in mountainous was not paying attention to who did and importantly who didn't die n1.

I think this is a good take.

The fact of the matter is by killing ow the scum don't care if hk goes over otherwise they keep that voice on hk's side. So then they wouldn't be hard shielding him. It's not complicated.

So if you and/or Lily are mafia with Hollowkatt, rather than kill visor and remove a threat to one or both of you, you make a decision to preserve your dead to rights teammate?

I know I am not a wolf so entertaining that world isn't needed.

Lily voted hk yesterday in an 8/7 wagon.

I don't think that scenario is viable tbh

Okay so let's say you and Lily are both town and HK is mafia.

Let's say it's like HK/Nanook/Jack or something.

There is a conversation that occurs in night chat like:

"Maybe visor"
"Nah visor townreads HK"
"lol HK Is dying d2 no matter what"
"yeah true"

And then the decision as to whether or not to kill visor is weighed up by completely different factors.

If you and lily are town, then the most logical reason visor was killed n1 wasn't to remove protection from HK, it was to make his reads look better than they are.

Okay, and in that scenario you agree with me that people voting hk are probably scum. Yeah? That is the one world I will entertain

I'd say more likely were and are not now because somehow today's play has a pulse and he isn't going over lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:04 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

JJJ once told me the greatest failing of towns in mountainous was not paying attention to who did and importantly who didn't die n1.

I think this is a good take.

The fact of the matter is by killing ow the scum don't care if hk goes over otherwise they keep that voice on hk's side. So then they wouldn't be hard shielding him. It's not complicated.

So if you and/or Lily are mafia with Hollowkatt, rather than kill visor and remove a threat to one or both of you, you make a decision to preserve your dead to rights teammate?

I know I am not a wolf so entertaining that world isn't needed.

Lily voted hk yesterday in an 8/7 wagon.

I don't think that scenario is viable tbh

Okay so let's say you and Lily are both town and HK is mafia.

Let's say it's like HK/Nanook/Jack or something.

There is a conversation that occurs in night chat like:

"Maybe visor"
"Nah visor townreads HK"
"lol HK Is dying d2 no matter what"
"yeah true"

And then the decision as to whether or not to kill visor is weighed up by completely different factors.

If you and lily are town, then the most logical reason visor was killed n1 wasn't to remove protection from HK, it was to make his reads look better than they are.
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Okay, and in that scenario you agree with me that people voting hk are probably scum. Yeah? That is the one world I will entertain

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:01 am I kinda was thinking too about if Achro can be wolf cause Visor but I think his posts are just over all too good lol I'm not gonna vote him any time soon I think

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:00 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm Yeah sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol.

Anyway I have my glasses off real timing but I will look over santy again today when I am back at my computer.

I mentioned earlier, I don't think you've said anything about it, but re: your earlier thoughts on Santy I feel like he's treating me basically the same in that he's literally never moved me out of wolf reads even for a bit, and that's despite the fact he's always being a tease about it to me like that it's just a lean or I do something towny, which doesn't rly feel genuine to me. What do you think about it?

I am mulling santy over and what it means to have scummy bad reads and towny bad reads. I am wondering if he has actually left himself too vulnerable in certain angles to reasonably be a Wolf or not. Especially when it comes to suspicion of you.

I don't know what this means

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

JJJ once told me the greatest failing of towns in mountainous was not paying attention to who did and importantly who didn't die n1.

I think this is a good take.

The fact of the matter is by killing ow the scum don't care if hk goes over otherwise they keep that voice on hk's side. So then they wouldn't be hard shielding him. It's not complicated.

So if you and/or Lily are mafia with Hollowkatt, rather than kill visor and remove a threat to one or both of you, you make a decision to preserve your dead to rights teammate?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm Yeah sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol.

Anyway I have my glasses off real timing but I will look over santy again today when I am back at my computer.

I mentioned earlier, I don't think you've said anything about it, but re: your earlier thoughts on Santy I feel like he's treating me basically the same in that he's literally never moved me out of wolf reads even for a bit, and that's despite the fact he's always being a tease about it to me like that it's just a lean or I do something towny, which doesn't rly feel genuine to me. What do you think about it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:47 pm Achro is just back to confirmation bias me a wolf some more and put paid the last drop of wim I possess is my guess.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:40 pm I guess that hard shield for how I was treating Mac didn't last long huh.

Walk me through which of my reasons you think are bad?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:44 pm I won't tr jack till he drops the gimmick. This is my stance. I'm sticking to it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:22 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:10 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:05 pm We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

I went from town reading santy to taking another look at santy because of the visor flip. I went from being ok to hk being policied to not due to visor's read of hk.

Stop acting like you know me, you don't.

I know in the past you've said essentially that dead reads are more useful for supporting your reads than for changing them

I'm paraphrasing obviously

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:07 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:05 pm We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

And you're ignoring them because it doesn't suit your reads?

Yeah

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:05 pm We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:02 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:56 pm Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

does someone have to be on ur case to be NKed? most games i've played that turns out to not be the case but I'm still fairly new. i think visor was killed for a few reasons

good player
generally town read
and then like i said prolly because his reads weren't that accurate

could be so HK looks better, could be to throw blame on me/santy like those scenarios make more sense than say santy NKing him because he was on his trail at least to me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:56 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:53 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:02 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:01 pm can i ask you all who you originally thought the NK would be?

Nook

Lolwut

I explained. It makes sense in V!HK and W!HK worlds.

Very few teams would n1 me lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:49 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:48 pm Idk why lily is disregarding all of visor reads (HK and santy)

I mean lots of people seem to be doing this so lol

But like she keeps pushing HK and disregarding santy.

Idk maybe you're right.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:48 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:42 pm if someone thinks a flip outside of mac/hk is +ev for town lemme know but I can't see it rn

Hk is being lynched over my dead body after the visor n1 kill. I am sorry, truly, how hk spoke to you. It is unacceptable and fuck him but I think that slot shouldn't be questioned today.

then i think mac is the obvious wolf in that case. I agree it's probs not hk despite how vile he was lol or maybe because of how vile he was

mac's world even throws hk up as the wolf so he's making it an easy chop if we're assuming hk is V

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:48 pm Idk why lily is disregarding all of visor reads (HK and santy)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:41 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:33 pm Yes I have skill issue.

What are you going to do about it?

Wjat is your read on me?

Nothing. Queek will not baby you like elf-thing mother.

Queek thinks maybe you are just uncunning friend-pawn. Many things are not as wise-smart as Queek and cat-thing is too hungry for it's own good, yes-yes. Many whispers in the undercity say cat-thing is town. Queek will trust them for now.

Can someone explain this because I don't understand what that means.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:42 pm if someone thinks a flip outside of mac/hk is +ev for town lemme know but I can't see it rn

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:40 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:31 pm Also santy my apologies as you have been very nice to me but

I feel as if santy is not playing the game he says he is playing. A relaxed, fun affair. Reading his iso and how he talks with people it is interesting. Sabi and annoyance makes sense sure, that's one thing. But then when talking with me it is always very civil and respectful. Santy goes out of his way to make sure I feel heard and respected. With Jack he will literally speak his language. He will defend Mac in a storm of suspicion.

He feels pretty slick tbh with how he speaks to others. It feels a bit motivated when I take a step back and think on it.

I have liked much of his content, to remain clear, but if I put myself in the shoes of others there are a lot of flaws too. It's not about effort or wanting a chill game either.

I feel like santy being isoed and picked apart is very beneficial for town tbh. People should do that. It's an interesting iso.

What game you think I say I've been playing btw?

At start I was clear that I was chillin and hence its clear that the effort isnt there. Now Im clearly more involved and when I read someone I value pretty much interactions and realtiming mostly tbh (Pretty big part of why EoD GOAT) .

Do you feel me as 'slick' when interacting for example with Neon? Cause I can see why you say that Im 'adapging' to people to have better reads on them , but I think my engaging with Neon I approached it as a little more of a confrontational or whatev the correct adjective is, just because I thought that Neon needed more content to figure them out and appeasing there wasnt the correct stance to do that

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:16 pm Queek was not here for end of day. Queek was doing many important task-things.

Old-thing wagon looks full of good skaven like Queek and others who are not as smart-wise as Queek.

If old-thing is a wolf-thing who has given up, why did other wolf-things not buss him? Tell me if this is good thought or if Queek needs to execute scouts who reported it.

Old-thing reaction was kinda AtE/toxic as in getting mad to voters and stiff that made people waver and switch some votes. Shiny-thing was one of them , probably snow-thing other one but cant look at votevount and confirm it well.
Thing is that outed wolf reads at EoD were hard tr on old-thing, and sussing me/Flower-thing/fish-thing , and they were low impact in the game.
So that kill weird me out taking EoD into account to figure out stuff.

Between Ender and Hk votes were 8-7 at one moment I remember, and ended with 5 in hk and some more in Ender or off wagon? Cant recall