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OopsAchromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:19 pm But maybe no one here knows me enough to know I stick to those things.
But porscha for sure
Porscha was super obv town so if that still applies then some of porscha's reads were probably benefitting wolves. Maybe.
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Because I promised to kill you if I was a wolf lolSabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:14 pmHow does me being nk make you look bad?Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:10 pmMostly thought it would be to make me look bad if that was the direction.
I mean he for sure exists geeshJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:05 pmErgo, Hollowkatt does not exist. Good job, cat-thing.
Note not literally all.Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:57 pmTownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:54 pm@Achromatic
What thinks you of this post? Tell me the cat-thing's alignment based on watching football.
Also Mac is doing a bit better in the thread that I am reading I just vant make sense of his hk partner theories. They all bussed him apparently lol
TownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:54 pm@Achromatic
What thinks you of this post? Tell me the cat-thing's alignment based on watching football.
Sure, but you also kept me at a town lean that entire time and iirc you know lily don't you. This would be our first time playing in a regular game I believe. It's the combo of it being a consistent lean and our lack of player history that makes it a curious thing for me. If you are town I would have liked a bit more questioning lolsantygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:40 am @Achromatic not going through my ISO, but I didnt doubt Lily either by your argument too, if you want to add it to your case /shrug. I think at this point it should be kinda clear that I dont care much about consensus to influence my reads? And can choose if something is worth following or not.
I vibed with you since the start, didnt see reason to change it and thats it. Hoes mad.
Also, I also said in one lf my lasts posts that I see ONE utr slot being mafia I think. Cuz like, I def recognize neon/jack being unpaired. And when I gave my townreads list I said that I am 100% misclearing someone there. But instead of going into a witch hunt on who could it be, better to lynch into my PoE and flip a wolf to have more info to do that
In my iso I gave the vote count earlier. Or told you who voted who.santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:43 pm Mac/Neon/Jack/Wilg maybe? Tho Idk how the mac/hk pair would work at all imo. Nook / Esooa / Lily def unpaired tho.
Not having the votexount to work through it is kinda bad tho
Well if you aren't a wolf it dulls a voice in hk's favor. If you aren't q wolf and hk is a wolf then maybe they just hate visor. Not really feeling opposite day atm though.santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:40 pmI still think tha even if they were right that team would have better slots to nk IMO. And like, I know they were wrong in me, and dont see you or Lily as scum.Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:36 pm I am sure a 42 poster was killed because he was wrong about literally everything.
Said achro never.
But in the flipside a framekill/ kill to maintain status quo still doesnt fully convinces me wowee
this is why you should try to signal vote changes in thread through lolAchromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:00 amI asked you about your vote in post 1749 which was at 9:49pm est on friday, so a little more than half way through the day.
When you voted Jack.Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:55 amI'd be interested in knowing when their read on me started shifting? I'm at work and can't read the ISO but knowing exactly how close the read progression me started going south was to the point where I was engaging them about why I thought Sabi was going in the right direction on their slot would be intresting.Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:42 am So, was tring neon for a bit and then stops at the jack vote and continues pushing neon more.
Spoiler: show
This is a majority of their neon progression past their early game town read.
It feels like something was lost in translation between 'I dropped my tr of neon over this' and 'I share that position now but I still don't tr neon.'
@Neon I answered your question!Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:42 am So, was tring neon for a bit and then stops at the jack vote and continues pushing neon more.
Spoiler: show
This is a majority of their neon progression past their early game town read.
It feels like something was lost in translation between 'I dropped my tr of neon over this' and 'I share that position now but I still don't tr neon.'
Hm.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:23 am Visor's an aussie you have to remember to turn his reads upside down
Walk through the scum team with hk in it atm?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:37 am My tenses are all messed up, you get the idea
I meant like, from start to finish. I didn't word that the best.risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:15 amhey achro i think you're towny now!Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:09 am @santygrass
I think you might literally be the only player in this entire game to have me as town the entire time you have been here. If you have expressed doubts about my towniness can you point them out for me?
Mac, do you still feel this way after the case laid out by me and santy in terms of her motivations at EOD regardless of HK's alignment? I know your latest list didn't have her on it but it is good to to interact with cases on people to try to firm up your view of the game.
If you believe this to be true why are your possible partners with HK as of your latest reading almost exclusively people who would have had to bus him for this to be true?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:58 pmIt is very unlikely t/t imo. Wagons like these don't usually form unless there is a wolf in them.outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:52 pm I mean if this is v/v I'm not shocked, I just think Hkatt is more villagery than Ender. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
I would rather kill outside these wagons but nobody but Sabi has seemed interested in it.
Can you walk me through how the wagonomics appears to be a stronger indicator for alignment than this read of HK's personal history?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:34 pm As much as I hate these sort of reads HK doesn't usually get tilted when being run up as mafia. Not sure I've seen him get tilted ever personally but having buried him many times I can't remember him ever getting angry at me for it.
Hm. I remembered the Visor legacy read and thought to myself 'poor ender' having forgotten this post from him.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:33 pmPorscha and Rising for townreads.santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:04 pm Ender what are your strongest 2 trs?
And if it were for you, which 2 slots would you want to see as lead wagons?
Probably you/hk/mac for wagons.
This + my perspective feels like your point about Esooa not caring about who died is now invalid entirely. Correct?santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:33 amEsooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:20 pm I'm voting hk
No clue why he voted me at all and he seemed to have just dropped it to omgus everyone possible. The way he's been pushing people has just been really reactive and wolfy imo. And I still think that original post on wagons is bad and going over it again like sure he's right he said a few times including the end it could mean they're town, but the entire premise of his post was that they weren't so him even including that just as a nod to it and then pushing me over it as if it was an actual point of his post feels really disingenuousEsooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:55 pmhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:41 amnot fear, opportunity.
nanook isn't wrong that I have a volume tell as wolf. Often I get wolf read early (as wolf) and then struggle to continue to post for fear that whatever it is I'm about to write is only going to look worse for me than what I've already done. You can see examples of that in my last few wolf games on MU.
But here he's trying to expand what is basically a strict volume tell where my posting is depressed in general to a volume tell that is relative to the thread which has never really historically been the situation, it's always been a strict "under x posts likely wolf, over x posts likely town", it's never been relative.
His argument that my posting is lackluster, or I'm making not only classically bad posts but classically HK wolf posts also falls flat, little of what I've written in this thread is fluffy bullshit.
So no, I don't think nanook, as a wolf, would fear me so much as nanook, as a wolf, would recognize I can do good work for town clearing other people and if he can find a push that would get me over I firmly believe he'd take that opportunity.
I think the same thing could and would apply to ender as well. He's seen my town game several times, and seen my wolf game at least a couple, and the way he limped into a HK wolf read is really off his traditional town game and while I recognize IRL happens and keeps people away from the game as all alignments the way Ender is burst posting without doing anything outside of catch-up and commentary I struggle to see how that's town indicative.this response from nanook is completely reasonable and HK never acknowledges it, and HK's vote on me is literally never explained other than he just votes me after I wolf read him, but once I stopped that he just stopped caring about me or mentioning me at all. Like I literally can't figure out a single thing looking at his recent posts that he's thinking other than "people pushing me is bad" and that's just such a pathetic view of the game, especially the way he voted me while I was a wagon and never explained anything about it then just moved on once I stopped posting about him
Until he comes back and says kill everyone wolf reading him and doesn't even name who so I don't even know what he thinks right now lmaoEsooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:12 pm actually thinking about it I buy a lot more that Neon is just a lost towny, I kinda felt the same a lot of the time I was reading thread with how much fluff or just things I didn't care about there was, and especially with there being 2800 posts I can see that being overwhelming for someone irrespective of being a wolf
Think I lost some quotes I feel like I ISO'ed suboptimally. But this feels greatly unpaired with hk, and them caring about them getting wagondd and stuff. Think I lost it but one of this posts was a reply for Porscha saying that they townread hk.
In other news them still having at Neon/ris in similar tiers in regards to reads is worrying to me. Going to continue that Im enterimg their entrance near EoD now
Hmm, this pings me. I am, of course, always lovely to think of myself as a problem, but both Sabi and OW were after me and I feel as if my thread position was not as good as it could have been since I had, after all, just lynched town yesterday. This feels more like "the answer wolf mac thinks town achro wants to hear" and less like what a wolf mac would do.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:31 amWolf Mac killing townreads is presumptive enough but in any world where I'm wolf and you're town killing the only other person putting you in check isn't something I'd condone. I'd just kill you. I have no doctors to dodge. You're the biggest problem. Bye bye. Probs push visor today lol.Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:25 amWalk me through it. Who do you think Wolf Mac kills from your current town reads instead of OW? We'll keep the suspected people as possible mac partners.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:23 am wolf Mac town achro dynamic makes visor being a mac kill nonsense
Walk me through it. Who do you think Wolf Mac kills from your current town reads instead of OW? We'll keep the suspected people as possible mac partners.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:23 am wolf Mac town achro dynamic makes visor being a mac kill nonsense
This is my true strength. I can suck shit in a game, take a deep breath, and then love mafia a day later.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:19 am I'm retiring from mafia soon. I have very waning wim. I'll try to do stuff but I've lost the spirit for it tbh.
Yeah, possibly. One of my BAD HABITS is being from one community so long it didn't hurt as much for everyone to get one with me. That's kind of my game. "You get one time you can fool me, then it gets hard" which sounds stupid but there wasn't much fooling me the second time around lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:14 amif I was a wolf I could fool you achro lolAchromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:05 amYeah but you did say you aren't discussing Esooa because of how they would react as if it matters at all. It feels like you are declining to engage. So I am trying to be a safe space for you to engage without being AtE'd at. I don't even care if you disagree with all of my reads or go 'achro is lock wolf' again, but I need to find your pulse and so far I can't. If you're wolf I don't think you will be able to fool me by me engaging with you, and as town I hope I can find you. So this does nothing but benefit me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:03 am a nice calm exercise? christ I'm not having a meltdown achro lol.
Similar here, feels like someone who is really trying to get the correct read and whose view of the game doesn't line up with mine.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:21 pmYou're that strong on a scum read when it's "this person who said they're not as invested this game hasn't shown me they're town on day 1" ?Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:19 pmWell, two things.
You don't know me or you wouldn't think this is a strong defense from me. I am going to push my scum read over a town read, because duh.
Secondly just because I am bad at reading someone doesn't mean I won't try, but it will inform me on how hard I defend them.
Like wolf read him but idk, you're definitely doing a lot to push Ender over HK and saying you town read HK and etc
Yeah but you did say you aren't discussing Esooa because of how they would react as if it matters at all. It feels like you are declining to engage. So I am trying to be a safe space for you to engage without being AtE'd at. I don't even care if you disagree with all of my reads or go 'achro is lock wolf' again, but I need to find your pulse and so far I can't. If you're wolf I don't think you will be able to fool me by me engaging with you, and as town I hope I can find you. So this does nothing but benefit me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:03 am a nice calm exercise? christ I'm not having a meltdown achro lol.
Well, let's take a look at some players we've stored away for a bit. Obviously I suspect you and have been clear about why. What do you think of, say, Porscha's handling of you?
