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by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:08 pm
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Santy at times it is beneficial for people to defend themselves without interference from others. I promise not to drown Lily.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:06 pm
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

santygrass wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:03 pm Also, wagons were me/Mac/Hk for most part of the day.
Anyone thinks they could be T/T/T ? Please dont try to answer 'well I think x is always a wolf so no'. Like, try to really analize wagonomics and the scenarios in where I am Villa, scenarios when Mac is villa, and scenarios where Hk is villa.

If the answer is positive, who could be the wolves?
If you and mac are both town I am dumping Esooa into a river on the basis of trusting your skill sets there tbh. First time playing with Esooa and if a lot of Esooa's pushes are wrong then yeah no got to go.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:03 pm
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Man, my scum team is really big then huh.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:00 pm
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Lilypetal wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:57 pm
Porscha wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:55 pm
Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:04 am
Porscha wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:51 am honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.
I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like :shrug2:
Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples
can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong
You would change a strong townread just because someone suspects you?
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:56 pm
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

If mac is wolf Wilgy is never wolf due to them mindmelding early on VILLAINOUS MAC BEHAVIOR.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:56 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

If you're not scum my next two ideas for scum are Mac/Jack if it makes you feel better.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:13 am
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santygrass wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:08 am That is fair tbh. And like, I am well aware that my playstyle never is one to get townread over it so /shrug.

The part of explaining better my reads in general is something that I will get better at hopefully? But yeh Skill Issue in like, I just brainspew stuff most of the time and maybe unreadable with how I express stuff but oh well.

I think my point of Mac Solve doesnt really adding up and having trouble thinking that he really believes it.
Esooa reads pinging me (irt ris/neon specially, and how I feel uneasy with the read they had on me EoD)
And Hk is maybe just sheeping nanook cuz I think they have some merit regardless, but Visor legacy holds me back more ig.
See I have this wolf profile of you in my head and your Esooa read is going against it, which is good.

Like most of your behavior if you are wolf has basically been "Achro is town and also we appease Achro because we don't want any trouble."

So the natural continuation of that would be to drop Esooa as a read when I counterpointed you, but instead you found something else. Which feels like (and this can be right and I can be wrong) you just confbiasing yourself and going for it no matter what anyone else says because it just feels right. Which I find to be towny more than anything because it bucks what I would expect a wolf you to do who has filed me away as town and has played into me consistently.

Could be a wrinkle you added, of course.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:05 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

y'know, I remember one time there was someone I thought could be scum in a game recently and he kept posting vote counts for the record to show people and he flipped town.

Wonder if that would apply to Santy.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:03 am
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Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

I am a double voter.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:01 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

santygrass wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:56 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:50 am Well I've given you rope I don't know about anyone else.
What do you think? Just to sanity check me.

Cuz yeh, I think your approach was the more 'try to reason it' , since why I talk to you about stuff and views I think. But retracing this day, do you think I was in a 'leeway' position?
Like before going to sleep the cw was hk, which I said I didnt want to vote first from my PoE and was insisted to do it by another slot from my PoE (Mac). Idk
I can't speak for others but I feel like you haven't laid out your cases very well tbh. Maybe you are just stuck in second gear and can't get it going when you need it or you don't want to but I think your wolf reasonings have been really weak over all. I am also trying to be a better team player and a lot of people think you're scum.

I would not be particularly surprised if you flipped town due to the good moments, but it is hard to see others being so kind for the entire game and I just... kind of needed more out of you today than what has been given to be able to feel better about trusting my day 1 town read on you tbh.

The fact OW died and you haven't really gone for HK while Mac did is a point in your favor, for example. It runs counter, if slightly, to wolf plotting in my head.

An answer I have to ask myself is 'do I trust santy enough to argue with several people I townread over it?' and my answer is no. I can feel good about voting Mac, but I can't really feel great going out on a limb for you tbh.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:56 am
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Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

mac and santy are a case of two different approaches to scum hunting.

Santy has done a lot of things I have liked and a lot of things I have hated.

Mac is kind of a sea of nothing great for the entire game.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:53 am
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Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Switching back to Mac to see what happens.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:50 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Well I've given you rope I don't know about anyone else.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:44 am
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Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Just don't type them one handed.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:42 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

What in the fuck.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:24 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Let's play the "Can Mac and Santy be paired" game, with your host Achromatic.
Spoiler: show
Achromatic wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:52 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:50 pm
Achromatic wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:48 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:45 pm
Achromatic wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:38 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:37 pm I think stuff like having the secret read and the boats thingy I see more as your performative kind of playstyle (As in, I see some people sus you for things I dont see really as AI for you), and when I realtimed with you , catched up could vibe with your posts. Tho I skipped the long ones for sure lol
Can you vibe yourself off one of my stronger town reads perhaps?
Ehhh yeah, I should find a slot that I feel more sus about. But wolfhunting energy kinda low for me rn
Just sheep me on Mac then. Can't really hurt to see how he reacts to a wagon and you town read me so you believe it comes from good faith tbh.

Let's goo
By those metrics I am town reading Neon and Lily and they are in yout wagon wowee
I am town reading them too.

People make mistakes.

Any reason you are against Mac? Iirc he isn't in your town core.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:53 pm I am not townreading them nah, probs want to evaluate and do a vote that feels good by this point.
Why do you sus mac?

santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:59 pm Oh yeh I remembee reading that post and vibing with the expecting them to dig more of you tbh, which is probably the only thing I can see as valid.
The math/wagon thingy it was okay to me, like you say predatory vut its also good to maybe force some eraly reads in votes movement. And the interaction with sabi could be???? But its also a big stretch imo so weh

Achromatic wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:03 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:59 pm Oh yeh I remembee reading that post and vibing with the expecting them to dig more of you tbh, which is probably the only thing I can see as valid.
The math/wagon thingy it was okay to me, like you say predatory vut its also good to maybe force some eraly reads in votes movement. And the interaction with sabi could be???? But its also a big stretch imo so weh
Well day 1 I rarely expect to find a silver bullet.

It's also combined that I have 9 town reads and mac isn't one of them.

At some point you collect enough town reads and put pressure on someone not them imo.
Note at the time this was Santy's list of town friends:

Santygrass / Lilypetal / ender / Achro / Porscha / Neon / Sabi / Nanook

So half the game, but even so he passes on voting Mac early for kind of mystery reasons really.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:15 pm I dont think mac lacked solving fot the amount of posts that he had in the game tbh. But maybe lacking the wolf hunting and absolute murdering energy that I see from Town Mac maybe
Lots of maybes.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:28 pm Santy or Ender
Esooa
Achro

Currently where I'm at.

Watch them all be villa.

Also, hoping all goes well Sabi take your time! *Sends payers to cat*
This gives me pause.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:22 pm
risiinq- wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:20 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:18 pm
risiinq- wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:13 pm i unironically think achro/mac is a difference check for no reason whatsoever and its making my head hurt
The only world I see Mac w is in is if achro is w.

Just because I have seen achro do the same things as wolf before to a partner.
hmm yeah, i was considering a w/w possibility too but i dont think this immediately means a mac w achro v possibility doesnt exist

i kinda feel like there /is/ one wolf in there though.

it's hard to explain tho, ill see how it pans out
Ehh I could see them both as V imo
In order of likelihood prob a at this rn

V!Achro / W!Mac = V!Achro / V! Mac > W!Achro / V!Mac > W!Achro / W!Mac .

Very deep analysis
Notes W!Mac is equal to V!Mac equity here.
santygrass wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:54 am @Esooa could you convince me in to why is Mac scum?


Asks for help awhile later.
santygrass wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:04 am Towny people : Ris, sabi, porscha , lily
Towny but with less confidence: hk, achro, mac, outed wolf

Think this list feels good rn
Hm. What happened to having W!Mac being equally likely to V!Mac. When did that read change, I ctrl f'd for Mac and didn't see anything, oh bother let me actually read every post.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:29 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:28 pm Could you scumcase Esooa for me Mac? Without bringing the votes thingy cuz thats boring
no
Then not much I can do /shrug.
OW last posts were fine too nyeh. Still need to find a sr that feels good, the lack of scumhunting is something Im aware of but like, dont feel like forcing it? If Im not scumreading anyone at the moment dont going to make my reads worse for the sake of it.

And if you lynch me because of the lack of sr oh well Skill Issue. Is mostly my stance in the game prob
In between that post he seemingly just accepts a straight 'no' from Mac and instead of pressing someone who he has as a tossup read, he bemoans that he can't help with the Esooa scum case and just drops it.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:30 pm [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

Nyeh
Feels a little more like a pocket of Mac than partnered.
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:45 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:41 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:40 pm Esooa discredited both the trs of ris and ow alltogether. And like, I can get why they couldnt agree with the read on OW, but ris townyness in that read was very good iml
it's not that deep, come up with something better

It makes me lean you as wolf atm, so /shrug.
Achromatic wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:41 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:40 pm Esooa discredited both the trs of ris and ow alltogether. And like, I can get why they couldnt agree with the read on OW, but ris townyness in that read was very good iml
I don't think someone expressing a difference of opinion is inherently wolfy though. Like; ow is just correct to discredit lol.
Ehh, sabi also expressed a different opinion on the ris read. But like, not recognizing that it shows a towny attention to detail and process from ris is what pings me idk
God this is such a bad reason to vote Esooa lol.

I guess the logical thread for Mac here is if Santy was pre-flipping Esooa then Mac would look better for pressuring Esooa and so he put him in lean v.
santygrass wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:43 pm
outed wolf wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:40 pm
risiinq- wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:38 pm i have no current problem with visor tbh and i think choosing ender over hk is kinda logical anyways
I have seen nothing disagreeable from Visor and he's far and away my top town.
From someone who normally tunnels me D1 unless I push someone hard this is surprising.
You have pushed outside of consensus towards the same people i have which makes me think you are reading the game from a similar perspective. As the kids say "soul sex".
I think I disagree with this read but can see why Mac thinks this and its towny indicative from Mac to me
Feels more like a pocket than a partner
santygrass wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:18 pm Mac not seeing sabi obvtowning is pinging me too. So I could prob see them as wolf tbfh.
But he reverses on this pretty fast:
santygrass wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm I feel like trusting with my life now in Ris, Porscha, nook and Lily. Prob in that order.

I thought that maybe ow kill was one to maintain status quo in thread, but just glossing at player list wilgs was there and feels like far more juicier then Outed Wolf there to kill so eeeeeh Im still lost on why ow could die.

I see the mac case and like yeah, could be. But also it isnt like, too much level 0 as a take? Mac isn the only scum so there should be two other people who would agree with that and why???
Then later
santygrass wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:16 pm Also I lost a quote from Achro talking about how ow was townreading Hk and we should follow that legacy or something and I hate it. But I hate more the fact that it is probably right so going to try to think of a V!hk world too wowee. Thats why Im kinda going with Esooa first weh
He is using my world building to build his own world
santygrass wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:04 am Town: Lily, nanook, riisinq,Porscha
Achro, Sabi, hollowkatt, MacDougall

Sussy: Esooa, Neon, Jack

Rn Im not going to look for a prev list. But Tbh I expect to be wrong in 1 tr for sure, but thinking in probs finding who after I got a wolf flipped. I am reassessing tho, cuz My read on Essooa EoD was kinda bad, but rereading there I cant get over just the contrast difference in how they read ris and neon ig.
And maybe the analysis is wrong and maybe mac is right and hk is a hit. Or Mac is a hit. Idk. Feeling comfy voting for neon rn

Gnn
Yeah so the thing I can't help but notice is this list doesn't match up with Santy's words very well. By all rights with how much he has praised me at various points up until this point I should be a tier up, he even uses my world building in his own world. Also he said that Mac doubting Sabi's obv towniness pinged him but then Sabi is in the second tier of town reads. Santy says they would reassess but they never really did.

Answer: Yes they can be, but if Santy is a wolf I wouldn't immediately turbo Mac based off of how Santy treated them. I would need to delve more into Santy's ISO and rip it apart. Lily being wolf with Santy would be some VERY BOLD partnering from them tbh, but I guess possible and not as bold as some other teams being thrown around today.

Also this iso kind of proves my thought that not signaling votes is super anti-town lol. It's fine moment to moment but since we don't have vote counts it is incredibly hard to follow vote movements in hindsight.

[VOTE: santygrass] aubergine
Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:50 am @Achromatic what was towny from lily's ISO you saw
I just liked her day around HK and the pettiness there tbh. It's nothing earth shattering I just thought "this is probably v" in its aimlessness.

Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:02 am btw @Achromatic I read a bit of your ISO, not all of course, but I saw you talk a lot about why HK is town from the NK which I agree with but then who do you think as a wolf makes that NK?

I feel like my scum leans/pursuits today should make this pretty obvious. If I didn't think, say, Santy or Mac could be involved in that kill I wouldn't have been pushing them. Anyway to be a bit more generic I think it is a wolf who is interested in the longterm viability of HK going over, not just today in theory. OW I think would have made a PROBLEM out of that starting today and it's better to have problems go away.

If Santy flips V I will find his sudden glaring at Lily to be of interest because it might just be right lol. He has shielded Lily a lot but when Lily hedges on him he's like "hold up" so that's noted.

If Santy/Mac doesn't have at least one wolf I think we are starting to be in a little bit of trouble, but hopefully we'd be able to re-evaluate correctly.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:46 am
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Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:43 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:41 am Mac does it give you any pause you are voting with four players who you have been at various points worried about today in some fashion
it's like you think I'm voting santy because I suspect him
Hm.

Well in that case if that's the type of day we're having I think I am just going to stop what I was doing, log out, and see everyone day 3.

No need for me to participate any further tbh.

I am fine with either mac or santy going over. glgl
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:41 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Mac does it give you any pause you are voting with four players who you have been at various points worried about today in some fashion
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:38 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Lily has a lot of posts where I don't think she is partnered with certain people. Esooa, Mac, HK.

Lily has a lot of posts I just think are town posts, to be clear.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:31 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Lilypetal wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:39 am
santygrass wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:35 am
Lilypetal wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:34 am
risiinq- wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:32 am
Sabiplz wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:32 am
risiinq- wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:29 am santy's performance is better than mac's if we are talking abt that
Yea but he's back to pushing a misread on Esooa eod so idk.
well i guess we clash here because i dont particularly find esooa towny or their eod towny so i vibe with their read more
wait why? her eod was super towny or at least convincing af and she has hit a ton of her town notes
Talk to me about them?
u read it all recently i believe but shes just been playing a pretty consistent game poking at people and trying to find scum

i suppose it's just how you think esooa is scum like do you think she's just playing an amazing scum game or do you think she's like actually done something scummy? as i see it if she's scum she's emulating her recent town games perfectly and playing a super tight game where she finds a weak HK post to start picking apart and then tunnels at him for the rest of the day and makes eod extra convincing cuz it was obvious ender was gonna flip over HK
@Porscha this feels like the post your epic esooa/lily/santy team goes to die tbh
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:28 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:25 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:24 am Mac are you just shitposting or are you emotionally and mentally available to discuss a scum read you've had a bit.
those things don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive but I appreciate your care
I just had a game where I was super tilted over how someone treated me so I get it.

(That person apologized to me post game and all is good now)

Anyway so far the best I can get from people suspecting Esooa are "Esooa is a very good wolf" and "Esooa treats me a certain way" and "Esooa's eod felt like they didnt care at eod"(this was proven false by me)

Outside of these things I am not sure I've seen anything actually substantial as to why Esooa is suspect. I liked their involvement with me day 1, and generally I have found most of their posts to be good. You just proposed a truce I saw so if you don't want to answer that's fine, but what has Esooa actually done?
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:24 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Mac are you just shitposting or are you emotionally and mentally available to discuss a scum read you've had a bit.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:22 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:20 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:18 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:14 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:13 am Well, I mean it is day 2 right. He goes 'yeah achro is probably right but let's suspect esooa anyway' and if you go over then he just kind of dies or should. But perhaps I am overestimating the exposure issue because I am looking right at it while we've got people still trying to kill HK even though I don't think a single soul has done a good job of explaining a team to me that is both a) socially viable b) votal day 1 viable and c) has come into today with the mentality that is needed if you are ok with sacrificing HK.

So maybe I am just seeing it as more glaring than it is.
and his alternative is what? Die before me?
Change his read on you for the day, survive, night kill me, go back to pushing you without me going 'uh what' lol
if his wolf partner is Mac I feel like the plan is literally that except he survives by killing me lol
Possibly yes. I am considering worlds and in worlds where skilled players best defense is 'twtbaw' it makes me worry.

Santy being scum explains the NK easily enough as well, OW was suspecting him.

Got lily's iso open in another tab.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:20 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

I mean, I thought you looked townier too actually but I still can't at all follow your HK is wolf world and feel the need to hold you accountable for your solving.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:18 am
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:14 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:13 am Well, I mean it is day 2 right. He goes 'yeah achro is probably right but let's suspect esooa anyway' and if you go over then he just kind of dies or should. But perhaps I am overestimating the exposure issue because I am looking right at it while we've got people still trying to kill HK even though I don't think a single soul has done a good job of explaining a team to me that is both a) socially viable b) votal day 1 viable and c) has come into today with the mentality that is needed if you are ok with sacrificing HK.

So maybe I am just seeing it as more glaring than it is.
and his alternative is what? Die before me?
Change his read on you for the day, survive, night kill me, go back to pushing you without me going 'uh what' lol
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:17 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Like, my problem with HK being a wolf is it suggests very certain things that you DO imo need to at least theorize correctly that could be possible before I think it is right in my own head.

Like HK wolf with OW, his biggest defender, dying means there is some sort of plan here. It by definition must exist. OW was a 40 posting person with a few scum reads and a defense of HK. It means something. In HK wolf worlds it means a big something. Everyone is trying to push that to the side at times and like, it shouldn't be?

Scum HK's team needs an exact plan and so far I've seen scum lily with HK which is... really going for it in terms of assuming plays from the wolf team and Sabi who is all but socially cleared or people who voted HK day 1 which feels unlikely given how weak of a position ender had.

My mind is open, but also my mind still needs to be changed despite it being open. My suspicion of Santy is mostly sponge at this point and so far Santy hasn't done a lot of good with his rope despite the leeway he has ben given. Neither has Mac.

Town can have bad games and I am giving them every effort to make it up but their core, fundamental solving conclusions don't make any sense to me.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:13 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Well, I mean it is day 2 right. He goes 'yeah achro is probably right but let's suspect esooa anyway' and if you go over then he just kind of dies or should. But perhaps I am overestimating the exposure issue because I am looking right at it while we've got people still trying to kill HK even though I don't think a single soul has done a good job of explaining a team to me that is both a) socially viable b) votal day 1 viable and c) has come into today with the mentality that is needed if you are ok with sacrificing HK.

So maybe I am just seeing it as more glaring than it is.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:08 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Santy's Esooa read is, in fact, my biggest 'hrm" there so far. Because it is such a bad exposure issue for a wolf that it maybe starts to look like town.

I feel as if wolf Santy might just give up the Esooa angle there unless they are exactly partnered, but then someone is going to need to talk me through Esooa and why they think she is a wolf.

I need to look over Lily again though.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:04 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

@Porscha perhaps you can talk to me about Esooa as both Santy and Mac have not said things that have made me think my read is in error.

In fact Santy mostly seemed to be agreeing with my take and then still suspected Esooa, which is the biggest 'huh' so far.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:38 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:27 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:26 am I still love mafia most of the time. Just practicing water breathing over fire breathing this game.
You are just frustrating to deal with because you keep drawing me into solving with you then just 180ing and calling me mafia and it's like just stop torturing me and vote me and move on already it's like you're getting off on abusing me.
Sure. Will just keep my vote here then. No worries, sorry that you feel that way.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:26 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

I still love mafia most of the time. Just practicing water breathing over fire breathing this game.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:02 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Darts scene is GOATed tbh
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:01 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:00 am so how bout that final season of b99 graat stuff
It was the worst season on balance imo
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:01 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:59 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:51 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:46 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:45 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:43 am @Esooa

Hi. It is time for your re-evaluation for the day. Earlier you said I was town due to how my posts have been solving. Can you please point out around 5, quote them, and explain why you liked them. I hear you are a good wold so this is a due diligence check. Thank you.
probably not going to do this or anything else for a bit, just have thread open feeling bad and should probably have closed it by now
As long as it is done by eod it is fine. Feel better.
I think you gave pretty good reasons to clear HK and ones that aren't very easy to argue away while telling Mac things like n1's are extremely important which I agree with and then giving good thoughts about it. I said what I said because sure a "good wolf" can do that but a better wolf just doesn't imo
@Achromatic is this enough lmao

For now sure those are fair thoughts.

I am not overly paranoid of you atm but not knowing your wolf range is a consideration.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:59 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Ted lasso?
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:48 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

As a bucs fan I am voting you again in my head.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:46 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Esooa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:45 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:43 am @Esooa

Hi. It is time for your re-evaluation for the day. Earlier you said I was town due to how my posts have been solving. Can you please point out around 5, quote them, and explain why you liked them. I hear you are a good wold so this is a due diligence check. Thank you.
probably not going to do this or anything else for a bit, just have thread open feeling bad and should probably have closed it by now
As long as it is done by eod it is fine. Feel better.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:44 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:43 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:41 am
Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:23 am
MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:22 am To elaborate, Esooa's worst wolf tell and something she does to me as wolf in every game is to start getting all cocky and "lol mac" when I push on town. Esooa cannot help but stick it to me when I'm doing stupid shit.
Receipts?
Here's my receipt

@Esooa do you do this or not?
She already said she doesn't. She says she pockets you.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:43 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:43 am @Esooa

Hi. It is time for your re-evaluation for the day. Earlier you said I was town due to how my posts have been solving. Can you please point out around 5, quote them, and explain why you liked them. I hear you are a good wolf so this is a due diligence check. Thank you.
Ebwop
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:43 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

@Esooa

Hi. It is time for your re-evaluation for the day. Earlier you said I was town due to how my posts have been solving. Can you please point out around 5, quote them, and explain why you liked them. I hear you are a good wold so this is a due diligence check. Thank you.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:41 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Achromatic wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:23 am
MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:22 am To elaborate, Esooa's worst wolf tell and something she does to me as wolf in every game is to start getting all cocky and "lol mac" when I push on town. Esooa cannot help but stick it to me when I'm doing stupid shit.
Receipts?
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:39 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

I am willing to hear you out on things but when I ask for receipts about esooa you start talking about cum shipping it is very odd
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:38 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

A mafia player having self respect. Well now I know he's lying.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:30 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

You could just try to solve more tbh.

But the cum plan is intriguing.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:29 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Who is Trevor my name is Chris
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:28 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

I am voting you moreso for your solving not being well thought out if it helps.
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:25 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Changed my vote to mac
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:23 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:22 am To elaborate, Esooa's worst wolf tell and something she does to me as wolf in every game is to start getting all cocky and "lol mac" when I push on town. Esooa cannot help but stick it to me when I'm doing stupid shit.
Receipts?
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:22 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

MacDougall wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:21 am Esooa telling me i have really bad reads is literally outing tbh
I thought about it
by Achromatic
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:20 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Mafia Misplay Mafia
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Views: 239495

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:19 am If this is the game sabi stepped up their scum game, good for them, im gonna bet it isn't 🤷‍♀️
Exactly this

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