The Syndicate

What I need is a good defense
'Cause I'm feelin' like a criminal
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I've sinned against
Because he's all I ever knew of love

[VOTE: Schia] aubergine

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:29 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 pm Tbh I kinda wish I wasn't because then it'd be like a good little boxing match cause it's been a long ass time since I've been in a f3 that was like, hard but this seems pretty open and shut.

Well, we both think that so maybe it won't be easy but ehhh bias bias.

I want more of this smoothie.

This is where the mods strike us down and get double mod killed for not using the green color.

I don't need to use that dumb green color for off topic given it's f3 right?

Tbh I kinda wish I wasn't because then it'd be like a good little boxing match cause it's been a long ass time since I've been in a f3 that was like, hard but this seems pretty open and shut.

Well, we both think that so maybe it won't be easy but ehhh bias bias.

I want more of this smoothie.

They're very good words, I take them at great value. Hopefully Quas does too.

I just wanna play Tactics Ogre: Reborn

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:22 pm sometimes people like to be difficult.

This is Quas we're talking about

Yeah, I don't think this game really needs that much explaining given it is mech conf villager and well, you but if Quas wants to go through the whole stick that he knows I hate to make me suffer a bit longer I'll do it.

Are we gonna do like, the whole back and forth thing or make one giant case on each other and call it a day

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:14 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:13 pm We vote in thread no poll.

oooo you self vote and I self vote?

Trust?
yeah, you know, for the drama

Promise I'll do it if you will <3

Wait, is that considered throwing since we're both conf to each other *think*

We vote in thread no poll.

oooo you self vote and I self vote?

Trust?

Also a new game I want to play comes out tomorrow so if we could just chop chop that'd be great B)

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:02 pm sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

it's funny because I've laughed at the start of every phase so this makes sense

You know what Schia? You win a car.

Excuse me when I start insulting people you're supposed to show up and fight me. I'm lonely.

Like, even if you take away the mech clear I've been the most villagery by a long shot nerds sit down. Go back to 1v1ing for my entertainment

Now I go back to fence-sitting

I don't think I need to do this but we'll lay it out just for the sake of simplicity. I was shot N1 and it's clear it wasn't from a vig because the town vigs already claimed where they came from.
So that leaves mafia or SK. So, does the SK shoot at me, someone who they've never played with before or met having no clue what they could be
or
is it the mafia who Guilo was a part of, when I was the prime reason to spark a Guilo wagon, bringing it up close to DL and voting on the wagon? Yeah, I didn't state when I voted him, but I'd like to think that's a point in my favor considering if I'm mafia I would be like "Hey guys I'm voting Guilo" and milk that godfather credit, but the idea that I am mafia means you need to live in the worldview where:
I bussed my godfather D1 who had an unsed vig for no reason
I was randomly hit by the SK
A mafia voteblocked me instead of using a roleblock in role madness.
Etc etc. I was mech cleared by dead villagers for a reason and while I don't think this post needed to be made I'll just put it here so you can put those "Oh it's Chelsea" claims to rest.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la
@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first

Yeah scum don't have any invest flips and the last 2 claims are both invest claims and I'm sitting here like "interesting"

meta mech clear same thing it's 8am B)

Right now I lean on voting Schia but if we just based things on this dayphase I'd vote IAWY (helpful ik)

Schia also dumbtelling the fact I'm meta clear felt like something a villager would do over a wolf and struck me as a villagery thing but I'd need to go back and see if they ever acknowledged it to begin with.

While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:08 pm I did a quick read of Guillo’s ISO and they didn’t interact at all with the confirmed wolves we have, but they did with Chelsea, which is a good point in her favor imo

Gulio is just mad I can god read him tbh. Sucks to suck but hey.

Who do you think it is between IAWY and Schia?

Aka yes I'm clear but seeing you try to push me was helpful ty

You could argue SK shoots me but I feel like I'm a very weird SK kill and a very obvious mafia kill after how much I pushed Guilo. Ya know, considering there was a glaringly obvious kill attempt on me. Along with the mafia vote blocking me but sure.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:01 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:58 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:57 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:50 pm @Valentine @LordQuas anything keeping Chels from being maf?
Nope not a thing :^)
>:( i was asking quas and val
But I gave you the right answer now push me! (B
I'm sorry, your name isn't Quas or Val, I can't hear you.............

BOOOOOOOO

COWARD TALK.

Schia who do you even think is wolf right now? Like, I can see you having all these back and forths but I cannot for the life of me understand who you think is the mafia.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:57 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:50 pm @Valentine @LordQuas anything keeping Chels from being maf?
Nope not a thing :^)
>:( i was asking quas and val

But I gave you the right answer now push me! (B

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:50 pm @Valentine @LordQuas anything keeping Chels from being maf?

Nope not a thing :^)

I think everyone but Quas checked in. I have Rask's night actions so I just wanted to make sure nothing cheeky was happening.

I just want people to say if they killed IBA yes or no ty

Valentine wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:15 pm from the start... the vibes were not there

so aha um

do we just kill colin today i guess what's the move there i dont know how we're collectively feeling about the 3p thing

I am ngl I had paranoia that you and Colin were in cohoots cause he was the only one that confirmed your claim but given you started the dayphase with this I'ma just pretend I never had that thought :^)

Anyone want to claim that IBA kill?

Pretty sure it's like, just Schia or IAWY here but I'm willing to here the Quas debate.

I mean IBA was only focusing on the 3p claim so it makes sense tbh.

I love mafia

I also just find it hard to believe on a personal level that all of Schia/IAWY/petit are villagers given the sheer amount of invest power.
Snow's role is a 1 shot vig when we already have a 2 shot spam vig and their action is like...screaming coincidental.
Oh yeah I forgot Doom you could argue Doom is extra KP and that explains the missing NK and that's prob the most "theory" like answer I'm willing to personally entertain but I really wanna just hear the thoughts.

Before anyone goes "Quas role isn't proven" he softed it to me D1 and asked me and if he's a wolf faking that I obviously out him D2 unless you think he's mafia who nk'd me n1 anyway but that's ???
petit I can see someone calling that a SK role to use the dead powers of people but even if you want to go down that route we're putting petit in a spot where they're going to protect the two clears or out themselves.

Any questions?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:16 am does anyone wanna explain to me why petit is clear btw?

just checking

The only clears in the game are me and Valentine. (Don't give me that 1% chance blah blah blah speech I'll go into detail if needed)

Then you have the next row of Quas/petit who have townie roles and actions. Quas being a motivator could be a wolf with an extra power to it and petit's if anything is SK because that's not a maf role but both have used their roles in such a townie manner it's very unlikely imo if you wanna debate this by all means.

Then we have the rest of IAWY/you/Schia/IBA/Snow all with non conf roles and is just the most classic of "well in mafia terms this person is scummy and this person is townie" combined with questionable role actions.

If I am somehow missing why making anti town kp go down from 2 to 1 is a bad idea let me know.

The more obtuse this conversation comes the more I want to vote IAWY weeee. Am I gonna? Maybe. :^)

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:59 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:47 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:32 pm That’s not what I asked at all

If Schia is telling the truth about being a traffic analyst, but is Mafia:

What do they gain, in a v!Quas world, from narrowing the PoE by confirming them town when that does nothing to stop them from remaining in the PoE and potentially getting chopped anyways today, and make it so much more difficult for their partner tomorrow by having less options to hide behind?
What do they gain, in a w!Quas world, from trying to lie and shield their partner with a fake N1 result check, when that can very easily blow back in Quas’ face tomorrow once Schia flips mafia?

Claiming this role doesn’t clear Schia or save them from sus and move them out of the PoE. Claiming the actions they did can make things worse for their partner tomorrow if they do end up getting chopped today anyways. I do not trust the role claim
Asking why does a wolf do X 9/10 times is already falling into the trap of the statement and should almost never be the main base of the argument to begin with unless the information is breaking. Scia clearing a player not in the main PoE who the clears were villager reading is not breaking.

Scia flip does not make make anything worse for their partner assuming they're a wolf that's just using your own incorrection assumptions. You're just tunneling in on the claim. When ya know, we should focus on the likely sk
Since when is 3P a higher priority than mafia?

bruh

To put it in simple terms, Colin said he got a fake claim, so the sk probably has one as well, but you can't verify that, right?

The people who can't do that are IAWY/Scia/Snow they're the only possible people whocan be an SK and given it is partly more optimal to go for them, I think Snow is the most likely.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:32 pm That’s not what I asked at all

If Schia is telling the truth about being a traffic analyst, but is Mafia:

What do they gain, in a v!Quas world, from narrowing the PoE by confirming them town when that does nothing to stop them from remaining in the PoE and potentially getting chopped anyways today, and make it so much more difficult for their partner tomorrow by having less options to hide behind?
What do they gain, in a w!Quas world, from trying to lie and shield their partner with a fake N1 result check, when that can very easily blow back in Quas’ face tomorrow once Schia flips mafia?

Claiming this role doesn’t clear Schia or save them from sus and move them out of the PoE. Claiming the actions they did can make things worse for their partner tomorrow if they do end up getting chopped today anyways. I do not trust the role claim

Asking why does a wolf do X 9/10 times is already falling into the trap of the statement and should almost never be the main base of the argument to begin with unless the information is breaking. Scia clearing a player not in the main PoE who the clears were villager reading is not breaking.

Scia flip does not make make anything worse for their partner assuming they're a wolf that's just using your own incorrection assumptions. You're just tunneling in on the claim. When ya know, we should focus on the likely sk

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:23 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:22 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:19 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:17 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:15 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:12 pm tbh I'm at the point where snow feels like outted invest immune sk, even more so if Scia is telling the truth
If Schia is telling the truth, and Snow is the last 3p, then where are the mafia?

Especially if Schia is telling the truth, then Quas is mechclear because no outside comms (mean he can’t be mafia with access to the maf chat, as even if he was the skinstealer 3P and Creature was mafis, that happened at EoD1 and he’d be mafia when Schia checked him)

Which means that there’s two mafia inside IBA/DoOm/Iawy

And if you believe that Colin is mafia and lying about his alignment, then that still leaves a 3p unaccounted for this whole game

Where’s the worldstate where the above makes any sense?
Scia can be telling the truth and still be mafia
What does w!Schia gain from intentionally narrowing the PoE by confirming v!Quas, or otherwise dooming his partner once Schia flips by immediately throwing all eyes Quas’ way?
Quas was never going over with me alive that dude's obvious villa.
He is, and I also would never let him go over either

But that is not the question I asked Chelsea

I feel like asking why is a wolf trying to gain credit when they're in the poe is a pretty self explanatory statement.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:19 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:17 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:15 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:12 pm tbh I'm at the point where snow feels like outted invest immune sk, even more so if Scia is telling the truth
If Schia is telling the truth, and Snow is the last 3p, then where are the mafia?

Especially if Schia is telling the truth, then Quas is mechclear because no outside comms (mean he can’t be mafia with access to the maf chat, as even if he was the skinstealer 3P and Creature was mafis, that happened at EoD1 and he’d be mafia when Schia checked him)

Which means that there’s two mafia inside IBA/DoOm/Iawy

And if you believe that Colin is mafia and lying about his alignment, then that still leaves a 3p unaccounted for this whole game

Where’s the worldstate where the above makes any sense?
Scia can be telling the truth and still be mafia
What does w!Schia gain from intentionally narrowing the PoE by confirming v!Quas, or otherwise dooming his partner once Schia flips by immediately throwing all eyes Quas’ way?

Quas was never going over with me alive that dude's obvious villa.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:15 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:12 pm tbh I'm at the point where snow feels like outted invest immune sk, even more so if Scia is telling the truth
If Schia is telling the truth, and Snow is the last 3p, then where are the mafia?

Especially if Schia is telling the truth, then Quas is mechclear because no outside comms (mean he can’t be mafia with access to the maf chat, as even if he was the skinstealer 3P and Creature was mafis, that happened at EoD1 and he’d be mafia when Schia checked him)

Which means that there’s two mafia inside IBA/DoOm/Iawy

And if you believe that Colin is mafia and lying about his alignment, then that still leaves a 3p unaccounted for this whole game

Where’s the worldstate where the above makes any sense?

Scia can be telling the truth and still be mafia

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