The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game
Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?
Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...
what about reads for tutuu/cape?
Meh. I'll analyze them deeper today but I don't feel particularly strong either way.

Tutuu feels like the town Tutuu I've played with but that's easily fakeable meta read anyways

Cape...has gone back and forth in my head all day.
the direct consequence of this is that you basically townread all 3 of rondo's top scumreads correct?

separately what's your read of rondo?

Rondo is being Rondo. And he's being Rondo in the way that I've been repeatedly told is indicative of town rondo.

Rondo can be tunneled and wrong town. Or I can just be wrong on one of you 3 or all of you since I do have paranoia of all of you. Probably Tutuu the least honestly.

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:44 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad
uh
idk if i follow
tbh
(I have no idea how proper PR play works)

I'd ignore that frankly.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:48 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game
Well I had bereft and lpp as town pretty early so that's a womp womp

I'm working atm and have this dude here nobody likes but I cant be on my phone much, so I'll come back tonight for our late night thread couples mafia

I'll be here on and off at night as always mi amor

I've not been banned in MU...yet... but it's coming...

I dunno what an aopser is though so

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm

Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?
Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...
what about reads for tutuu/cape?
Meh. I'll analyze them deeper today but I don't feel particularly strong either way.

Tutuu feels like the town Tutuu I've played with but that's easily fakeable meta read anyways

Cape...has gone back and forth in my head all day.
the direct consequence of this is that you basically townread all 3 of rondo's top scumreads correct?

separately what's your read of rondo?
Rondo is being Rondo. And he's being Rondo in the way that I've been repeatedly told is indicative of town rondo.

Rondo can be tunneled and wrong town. Or I can just be wrong on one of you 3 or all of you since I do have paranoia of all of you. Probably Tutuu the least honestly.
this post increases neons wolf equity a lot

True. I totally see how me having a TR on you regardless of your tunnel makes me a wolf.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year

If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:58 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm

what about reads for tutuu/cape?
Meh. I'll analyze them deeper today but I don't feel particularly strong either way.

Tutuu feels like the town Tutuu I've played with but that's easily fakeable meta read anyways

Cape...has gone back and forth in my head all day.
the direct consequence of this is that you basically townread all 3 of rondo's top scumreads correct?

separately what's your read of rondo?
Rondo is being Rondo. And he's being Rondo in the way that I've been repeatedly told is indicative of town rondo.

Rondo can be tunneled and wrong town. Or I can just be wrong on one of you 3 or all of you since I do have paranoia of all of you. Probably Tutuu the least honestly.
this post increases neons wolf equity a lot
True. I totally see how me having a TR on you regardless of your tunnel makes me a wolf.
or perhaps its more the fact that neon is trying to control perceptions in a game and not just meming and having a good time. You are making calculated posts with calculated statements. I see wolf play from you.

I'm playing the game to win? So I'm scum?

Nothing I've said has been calculated... though your general idea is accurate to my wolf game.

Anyways I'm having fun and memeing when there's opportunity... I'm just also playing the game lol

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 pm I've not been banned in MU...yet... but it's coming...

I dunno what an aopser is though so
AoPS is a math website that has a mafia forum that has played like 260 games total over the course of 15 years
really long phases
low postcounts
mostly newbies

Interesting. I hate math but that's chill I think.

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:59 pm
Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:44 pm
Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:42 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:41 pm @Sheep are you an aopser?
yes

I'm one of the good ones though (haven't been banned from MU yet)
so bereft has a good read on you? (can u link 2 games where he's found you d1)

and what reads do you have, specifically on me/rondo/syn
oh
hm
wolfgames with schweppes
let's see
ah i found one
where
bereft (Osmium_)
said "Oh wait sheep (ad333) is a player in this game"
and then voted me next post
oh and then he didn't talk about me smh (https://artofproblemsolving.com/communi ... nation_frc) for reference
idt there's any more recnet aops games

gah
and there's only a turbo on MU
idk
just trust me

uh
I think you're town?
I think syn's null
Rondo's probably town but also still ignoring him and hoping he dies.
this is not a towny mindset, if you really thought I was town you would work with me to win the game.
people can be town and confident and wrong and I also generally am not the hugest fan of the "solves the game d1" archetype

Correct. I like you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:34 pm @DrWilgy what are your reads
They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.

Fax.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:34 pm @DrWilgy what are your reads
They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.
If we are doing proper mafia play we kill a counterwagon and neons counterwagon gives us the most info. Pyxxy I personally think is town and Neon has been suspicious so if you want to avoid my fpos on lucy Neon is my only other option

Killing me would be pretty fucking dumb. Especially since every reason to sus me has been god awful.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:15 pm for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

I'm just gonna signal boost this cause it's pretty fucking towny and pretty fucking accurate.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:18 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year
If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.
he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game

Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:25 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:18 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year
If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.
he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game
Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.
ok i will

OK cool.

What's your view on

Me
Cape
Tutuu

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:25 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:18 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year
If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.
he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game
Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.
ok i will
OK cool.

What's your view on

Me
Cape
Tutuu
town
town
wolf

Expansion on these thoughts would be pretty cool yeah.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:37 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:25 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm

he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game
Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.
ok i will
OK cool.

What's your view on

Me
Cape
Tutuu
town
town
wolf
Expansion on these thoughts would be pretty cool yeah.
but I'm in anti-spew

i wolf-read tutuu for being overly conciliatory and constantly redirecting attention away from pressured cases. they aren't solving; they're just breaking things apart

i also wolf-read their refusal to vote

I don't hate this reasoning.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:16 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm

what about reads for tutuu/cape?
Meh. I'll analyze them deeper today but I don't feel particularly strong either way.

Tutuu feels like the town Tutuu I've played with but that's easily fakeable meta read anyways

Cape...has gone back and forth in my head all day.
the direct consequence of this is that you basically townread all 3 of rondo's top scumreads correct?

separately what's your read of rondo?
Rondo is being Rondo. And he's being Rondo in the way that I've been repeatedly told is indicative of town rondo.

Rondo can be tunneled and wrong town. Or I can just be wrong on one of you 3 or all of you since I do have paranoia of all of you. Probably Tutuu the least honestly.
this post increases neons wolf equity a lot
True. I totally see how me having a TR on you regardless of your tunnel makes me a wolf.
imo what is scummy about that post isn't the read itself about Rondo being townread, it's the hedging to the right of that

I'm not gonna apologize for struggling to adapt to this gamestate

I'm trying to move on from the most toxic day of mafia in my life and it drained me... the focus still being entirely on Lucy is draining too.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game
Completely random question: Would you be scumreading me if Porscha wasn't townreading me?

No

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:28 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:26 pm
it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?
i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time
i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

I'm confused where you think any of that has happened in any way today

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:58 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:34 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:33 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:27 pm I disagree with myself that it cant be all 3 of lucy/tutuu/cape90/wilgy so him town reading you when youve been somewhat towny is less important than him working with me to get lucy

If Lucy flips town I have already agreed that there is a difference check between syn/lucy however I dont think she flips town.
So I am guessing in turn you also had DrWigly as somewhat towny as well
Since both of us were about on the same point on your scum list
You are both Schrodinger's scum for me but neon and sheep have been looking bad

Mmmm this is gonna age poorly.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:15 am
Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:17 pm rask dying feels weird tbh.
Not sure what it menas

Level 0 off the top of my head tutuu wolf
allow me to introduce you to 'doctor dodging'

If we speculate beyond that we'd cause too much chaos at this stage in the game I think. PKA is fine and dandy, but hard to do without a solid foundation I think.

Likely true but also since it's a weak doctor that could be playing in any of 2 ways so doc dodging into Rask is a bit risky.

Like if I'm the weak doc I'm probably not targeting to heal. I'm targeting to clear.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:57 am i need to find the mafia assuming syn is town because if i die and that world exists it's an auto loss, 2 ml's and syn gets stacked and he can't defend himself at all

but i also need to case syn to iraq and back so i don't die ugh, i hate this

I'm actually kinda leaning in Lucy Syn TvT worlds right now...ngl.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:59 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:15 pm for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???
I'm just gonna signal boost this cause it's pretty fucking towny and pretty fucking accurate.
Yes... surprisingly towny

Hello Porscha. Glad I'm not crazy.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:04 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad
Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

katze wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:46 pm
notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow!aka amrock 14er

Roles:
1 town weak doctor
10 vanilla town

2 mafia goons
1 1-shot mafia rolestopper

--
Stuff:

days will be 48 hours, nights will be 24 hours, days will start at 7PM eastern
post cap is 200, lifted 1 hour before eod
actions are due ~30 minutes before the end of the night
Alignment flips only ("x was town" or "x was mafia")
end of day ties = rand
hammers d2+, votes locked in lylo (not locked in mylo)
sleep is a valid vote
flavor will certainly be NAI but i am not fully sure what it will be, if anything
In this game players will be notified if they are roleblocked

--
sample role pms
Spoiler: show
sup {name}, you are a vanilla townie

glhf

sup {name}, you are the town weak doctor

each night, you may pick a player. you will heal them from any attacks that happen that night. if you ever target a member of the mafia, you will instead die. you may not target the same player two times in a row.

glhf

sup {name}, you are a mafia goon. each night, the mafia must attack a player, killing them.

the mafia consist of:
{name1} - goon
{name2} - goon
{name3} - 1 shot rolestopper

you may talk at all times, starting now, in this scum discord: [discord link]

glhf

sup {name}, you are the mafia 1 shot rolestopper. each night, the mafia must attack a player, killing them. additionally, once per game, you may target any player (including yourself), roleblocking anybody targeting them tonight.

the mafia consist of:
{name1} - goon
{name2} - goon
{name3} - 1 shot rolestopper

you may talk at all times, starting now, in this scum discord: [discord link]

glhf
---
?

What is the question. I donut understand.

Oh wait. I do.

I will always assume the NK is mafia so meh

If there's only 1 that is

alive players

lucy - lean town
DrWilgy - lean scum
Sheep - lean scum
Neon - town
Cape90 - lean town
tutuu - lean scum
pyxxy - lean scum
Syn - lean town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME- town

RondoDimBuckle - town
Seanzie - lean town
falcon45ca - lean town
Porscha - town

Do I actually believe this? Who knows

It does give me a nice PoE though

Am I also entertaining a nice little Lucy Rondo w/w tinfoil...

Maybe.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:34 am Am I also entertaining a nice little Lucy Rondo w/w tinfoil...

Maybe.

I will not entertain it for a long long time though

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:46 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 pm Neon is not playing like they did in Cartomancy, and if I take their selfmeta description at face value, then they are more likely to be wolf than town, independently of anything I have said about them wrt Lucy.
i know that i am responding to a dead player but i wanna voice my take on this

i think neon is town, but bereft could be right that neon is mafia for this. i dont know. im not disproving his argument for neon specifically

independently of that though, i just know that, for me, cartomancy was ... some time ago. i dont remember

goc was a pretty long game. 22 days. everyone here played it. that was a whole marathon. plenty of time to adapt and change in some way, at least thats how it shaped up for me. might be relevant to @Syn and @Porscha

Are you making waffles.

Like full disclosure. Carto is not a good way to read my town game but also I'm not as different from Carto as y'all are acting like I am.

My main thing in Carto was telling lucy I wouldn't blindly sheep them and doing my own thing without regard to others takes on it.

How am I different here?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:01 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:57 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:56 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:55 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 am if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape
@Porscha @tutuu
You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?
i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that
I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything
because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him

Lucy town. I'm not voting there.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:09 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:01 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:57 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:56 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:55 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 am if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape
@Porscha @tutuu
You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?
i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that
I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything
because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him
an idea

what if lucy and syn are both town, and their playstyles are moon and day, and they dislike each other, and that's influencing themselves to scumread each other, when in reality they just dislike each other's gameplay

(i could be wrong, just an idea)

This is copyright infringement go get your own read

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:15 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad
Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...
i find the "But anyways..." line scummy

earlier i scumread raskol for "???" (yea i know. im just saying whats going thru my mind)

But anyways...

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:16 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad
Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...
i also somehow feel neon and lucy aren't w/w because of this post

would be impossible to explain this even if i tried

Sure

But anyways...

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:17 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:16 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:15 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad
Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...
i find the "But anyways..." line scummy

earlier i scumread raskol for "???" (yea i know. im just saying whats going thru my mind)
If you read it with the intent to humble instead of distract I dont feel like it's weird
But is that the best way to read it? Unsure
good observation and it cements my townread on you

This is also copyright infringement. I hard town cored Porscha first get your own read. She's my waifu. Rawr.

Or something.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 am if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all

Wait... what is this trying to say

If Lucy is mafia it's with me

But me and Lucy are never aligned

I... don't understand this

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:04 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:03 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:46 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 pm Neon is not playing like they did in Cartomancy, and if I take their selfmeta description at face value, then they are more likely to be wolf than town, independently of anything I have said about them wrt Lucy.
i know that i am responding to a dead player but i wanna voice my take on this

i think neon is town, but bereft could be right that neon is mafia for this. i dont know. im not disproving his argument for neon specifically

independently of that though, i just know that, for me, cartomancy was ... some time ago. i dont remember

goc was a pretty long game. 22 days. everyone here played it. that was a whole marathon. plenty of time to adapt and change in some way, at least thats how it shaped up for me. might be relevant to @Syn and @Porscha
Are you making waffles.

Like full disclosure. Carto is not a good way to read my town game but also I'm not as different from Carto as y'all are acting like I am.

My main thing in Carto was telling lucy I wouldn't blindly sheep them and doing my own thing without regard to others takes on it.

How am I different here?
will you sheep me now, after seeing that game, goc and my other town games?

No.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:12 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 am if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all
Wait... what is this trying to say

If Lucy is mafia it's with me

But me and Lucy are never aligned

I... don't understand this
u had an earlier post i thought was non w/w. then i thought if lucy is mafia it has to be with you. then i found more posts from u that i thought are non w/w

Yes. There are 0 worlds where I will ever fake that level of genuine upset upsetness at a teammate in a game of mafia... ever.

It was real. It was not theatre.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:15 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:14 am tutuu feels town tonight

@Porscha @Neon @tutuu do u have a wigly read
i will reevaluate him tomorrow

I... don't feel Wilgy is particularly towny.

But I also don't want to kill Wilgy yet.

You should non w/w read both frankly

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:55 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game
Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?
Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...
I don't like this.

That's okay you kinda aren't great at reading me so

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep the most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.

Cheers
Fixed.

Fuckin mobile

Rondo/Neon contains at least 3 wolves.

Rask is clear.

Pyxxy probably also clear.

Uh...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.
Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote
I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Incorrect.

Like... preflipping me like this is town indicative I'm so glad I get to be your tunnel but also preflipping me is a very shit way to clear Pyxxy especially since I'm fucking obv town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:40 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:58 am but i still thinks correct to go between me/syn today
I impolitely disagree.

Me 2

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:50 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:55 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game
Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?
Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...
I don't like this.
That's okay you kinda aren't great at reading me so
so... I'm right?

That is quite literally the opposite of what I said

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.
Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.
kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?
Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.
Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?
So you're woofin', right?
Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

The good news is Sean is town

The bad news is that they are gonna incorrectly tunnel me and possibly now you if you are town (i don't TR you yet really) and we will have 2 town being hard tunneled by other town.

Isn't that cool.

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