The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am nothing funnier than having everyone boringly harp on about how the game is solved if hk flips but it obviously isn't solved. because so far nobody can figure out who hk's partner is if he's wolf. and if he's town? all it does is clear me and sabi some more. it's actually useless.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 pm Neon has shown the only pulse in this game

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:02 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:53 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:17 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

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There's no way HK is pure right?

I am not picking up what you are putting down. explain?

There is a near zero percent chance all 3 woofs stacked ender regardless of HKs alignment.

Aka HK wagon can't be pure... yes? So one of the 3 on HK who are not flipped are guaranteed woof

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. the vote count for ender has all players who are not dead voting for him, no? I voted ender, you voted ender, lily voted ender, esooa voted ender, hk voted ender, wilgy voted ender. those are all the remaining players. and 2 of the remaining players are wolves. so with mac on ender, then yes, all 3 wolves voted ender. Explain what I am missing.

Uhh no Lily Sabi and Esooa all voted HK lol

right. I see. and based off your posts today am I to assume you think that out of lily/esooa/sabi, you think sabi is most likely the wolf on hk?

If HK is woof yes. If HK is town no.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:02 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:53 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:17 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

Updated

Updated x 2

There's no way HK is pure right?

I am not picking up what you are putting down. explain?

There is a near zero percent chance all 3 woofs stacked ender regardless of HKs alignment.

Aka HK wagon can't be pure... yes? So one of the 3 on HK who are not flipped are guaranteed woof

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. the vote count for ender has all players who are not dead voting for him, no? I voted ender, you voted ender, lily voted ender, esooa voted ender, hk voted ender, wilgy voted ender. those are all the remaining players. and 2 of the remaining players are wolves. so with mac on ender, then yes, all 3 wolves voted ender. Explain what I am missing.

Uhh no Lily Sabi and Esooa all voted HK lol

right. I see. and based off your posts today am I to assume you think that out of lily/esooa/sabi, you think sabi is most likely the wolf on hk?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:00 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:50 am The fact we let HK just live despite all the evidence pointing to HK and now we are ignoring all the dead townies again and letting HK live again is so unbelievable.

I don't see how anyone can take HK needs to be solved now before it's lim or lose and twist it into lol Neon is obvious woof for pushing for a solve.

I might be wrong... but HK is right if we don't flip HK now than we never ever flip HK... ever. Especially in limlo. If HK is town letting HK live to limlo is what the woofs want.

and who would that leave? top tr's me & sabi. and tsp who is voting me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 pm Neon has shown the only pulse in this game

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:57 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:46 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:59 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:23 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:14 am Like I get it, you think I'm a wolf (or you have to push HK is a wolf because you're a wolf), and you think I'm being shitty. I am being shitty. I'm sick of being pushed for 4 fucking days, having literally none of my thoughts and reads respected, being told my play is bad, mocking me, and generally not having a good time.

When I do try solving the responses I get are "you're a wolf" or "that doesn't make any sense, wolf" so pardon me for not having the sunniest of dispositions.

I'm right in that the longer I live the more likely I am to be town because if I were a wolf you'd think I'd have gone over D1, 3, 4 but I haven't. Which means that either I'm being hard protected, or there are people in this thread who are even worse mafia players than I am (if they are town) which is, at this point, saying something fucking profound.

If I'm being hard protected who's doing it? Mac on D1, he flipped wolf.
Sabi the rest of the game, nobody seems to care about that though.
The solve is never proposed as "Sabi/HK" or at least wasn't until a few hours ago anyways.

So no, I'm not sorry for being sharp and having an edge to my posting. You try sitting in the POE, being shut down for 3+ days, and be told your game is shit and you're a shit player and see if you're sunshine and rainbows. Bet you're not.

I sit in PoEs for entire games all the time by the nature of the way I play the game and I've never really been pissed about it. That's like the nature of mafia.

I'm sorry that you've been in the PoE. I'm sorry that people are telling you your shit though I don't think I've ever done that and if I did I'm sorry and that's most certainly not what my intent was. I've been defending you most of the game. I've been listening to you most of the game.

At some point though I have to wonder... because Sabi is consensus town and never gets NKd in a mountainous. Your concensus PoE and never get DKd. I'm supposed to think that someone isn't saving your ass. I'm supposed to think that your not mafia? That you haven't been saved two days. I'm supposed to think that ALL of these wagons are T v T? And that Mac Esooa at EoD 2 was S v S?

I'm supposed to think nobody decided this entire time to shut down the highest posting consensus town? Like that's a lot of mental gymnastics from where I'm at right? Can you not see my conundrum?

Can you not see how you might try to preempt any push on you today? Like I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't see a world where I can find you with your approach to me up to this point.

And I'm not calling you shit. No kinda the opposite really. Regardless of alignment you've played exceptionally well to even make it this far.

Finally a real argument as to how HK can be a wolf!

That's only slightly sarcastic btw.

Legit though, yes, I do expect you to believe all the wagons excluding Mac have been TvT, they have been. I'm sure I flip today, idgaf about it really, I just am trying to hold as many peoples feet to the fire before I go.
You'll see they've been TvT with the exception of Mac v Esooa.

As to whether or not that's WvT or WvW probably we'll never find out till the game ends. I don't think you'll get a wolf tomorrow, I really don't. Games too fucked up at this point and I don't see the three remaining townies pulling it out, not when failure is so easy.

There's a really good reason to not kill Sabi btw, that isn't Sabi is a wolf. If you want I'll share it with you

Yes I do want. I want to solve the game. With the town.

I have two minds here. One is it's just the you Sabi Mac power team off death

The other is its Mac and two deep woofs that nobody has suspected this entire game like Porscha and Lily and Sabi and that Mac just didn't care about dying because he figured nobody would ever get there on the others.

you just loooove setting up the sabi ML for tomorrow don't you? her and I are both relatively polarized players, but we are both players who are able to be convinced and probably not viewed as threats to the gamestate in hopes our WIM or brain fails us both in lylo scenarios. lily should be aware of this. esooa or you, I don't know. I don't know if tsp would know either. respect my read or don't, but a wolf wouldn't.

This take is so incredibly disingenuous to anything I've said this entire time.

If HK doesn't flip woof I never vote HK. So push me on facts not whatever this is.

if someone doesn't flip wolf. so if someone flips town. you never vote that person.
if x flips town, you dont vote x. how does it make sense to say you vote someone and then based on their alignment post flip, you don't vote them?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:54 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:53 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:17 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

Updated

Updated x 2

There's no way HK is pure right?

I am not picking up what you are putting down. explain?

There is a near zero percent chance all 3 woofs stacked ender regardless of HKs alignment.

Aka HK wagon can't be pure... yes? So one of the 3 on HK who are not flipped are guaranteed woof

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. the vote count for ender has all players who are not dead voting for him, no? I voted ender, you voted ender, lily voted ender, esooa voted ender, hk voted ender, wilgy voted ender. those are all the remaining players. and 2 of the remaining players are wolves. so with mac on ender, then yes, all 3 wolves voted ender. Explain what I am missing.

Uhh no Lily Sabi and Esooa all voted HK lol

then I don't understand what I am looking at with the ender vote count post.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:17 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

Updated

Updated x 2

There's no way HK is pure right?

I am not picking up what you are putting down. explain?

There is a near zero percent chance all 3 woofs stacked ender regardless of HKs alignment.

Aka HK wagon can't be pure... yes? So one of the 3 on HK who are not flipped are guaranteed woof

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. the vote count for ender has all players who are not dead voting for him, no? I voted ender, you voted ender, lily voted ender, esooa voted ender, hk voted ender, wilgy voted ender. those are all the remaining players. and 2 of the remaining players are wolves. so with mac on ender, then yes, all 3 wolves voted ender. Explain what I am missing.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:59 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:23 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:14 am Like I get it, you think I'm a wolf (or you have to push HK is a wolf because you're a wolf), and you think I'm being shitty. I am being shitty. I'm sick of being pushed for 4 fucking days, having literally none of my thoughts and reads respected, being told my play is bad, mocking me, and generally not having a good time.

When I do try solving the responses I get are "you're a wolf" or "that doesn't make any sense, wolf" so pardon me for not having the sunniest of dispositions.

I'm right in that the longer I live the more likely I am to be town because if I were a wolf you'd think I'd have gone over D1, 3, 4 but I haven't. Which means that either I'm being hard protected, or there are people in this thread who are even worse mafia players than I am (if they are town) which is, at this point, saying something fucking profound.

If I'm being hard protected who's doing it? Mac on D1, he flipped wolf.
Sabi the rest of the game, nobody seems to care about that though.
The solve is never proposed as "Sabi/HK" or at least wasn't until a few hours ago anyways.

So no, I'm not sorry for being sharp and having an edge to my posting. You try sitting in the POE, being shut down for 3+ days, and be told your game is shit and you're a shit player and see if you're sunshine and rainbows. Bet you're not.

I sit in PoEs for entire games all the time by the nature of the way I play the game and I've never really been pissed about it. That's like the nature of mafia.

I'm sorry that you've been in the PoE. I'm sorry that people are telling you your shit though I don't think I've ever done that and if I did I'm sorry and that's most certainly not what my intent was. I've been defending you most of the game. I've been listening to you most of the game.

At some point though I have to wonder... because Sabi is consensus town and never gets NKd in a mountainous. Your concensus PoE and never get DKd. I'm supposed to think that someone isn't saving your ass. I'm supposed to think that your not mafia? That you haven't been saved two days. I'm supposed to think that ALL of these wagons are T v T? And that Mac Esooa at EoD 2 was S v S?

I'm supposed to think nobody decided this entire time to shut down the highest posting consensus town? Like that's a lot of mental gymnastics from where I'm at right? Can you not see my conundrum?

Can you not see how you might try to preempt any push on you today? Like I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't see a world where I can find you with your approach to me up to this point.

And I'm not calling you shit. No kinda the opposite really. Regardless of alignment you've played exceptionally well to even make it this far.

Finally a real argument as to how HK can be a wolf!

That's only slightly sarcastic btw.

Legit though, yes, I do expect you to believe all the wagons excluding Mac have been TvT, they have been. I'm sure I flip today, idgaf about it really, I just am trying to hold as many peoples feet to the fire before I go.
You'll see they've been TvT with the exception of Mac v Esooa.

As to whether or not that's WvT or WvW probably we'll never find out till the game ends. I don't think you'll get a wolf tomorrow, I really don't. Games too fucked up at this point and I don't see the three remaining townies pulling it out, not when failure is so easy.

There's a really good reason to not kill Sabi btw, that isn't Sabi is a wolf. If you want I'll share it with you

Yes I do want. I want to solve the game. With the town.

I have two minds here. One is it's just the you Sabi Mac power team off death

The other is its Mac and two deep woofs that nobody has suspected this entire game like Porscha and Lily and Sabi and that Mac just didn't care about dying because he figured nobody would ever get there on the others.

you just loooove setting up the sabi ML for tomorrow don't you? her and I are both relatively polarized players, but we are both players who are able to be convinced and probably not viewed as threats to the gamestate in hopes our WIM or brain fails us both in lylo scenarios. lily should be aware of this. esooa or you, I don't know. I don't know if tsp would know either. respect my read or don't, but a wolf wouldn't.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:36 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:29 pm Sabi...



I just need a win...I don't want you to be upset we need to find each other if we are Town because if we are Town than the game is easier after HK flips.

We can win if we are Town...

lmao. come on. don't post wolfy shit like this neon

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:32 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:24 pm And wolf me has no reason to come in and push HK on solve if I know HK is town.

Logistically that doesn't make sense I can save HK for later and win the game with it. HK if town is such an easy misexe later.

yeah you'll just ML hk today and then push on sabi tomorrow. the usual backhanded defense of theoretical wifom. yawn

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:24 pm And wolf me has no reason to come in and push HK on solve if I know HK is town.

Logistically that doesn't make sense I can save HK for later and win the game with it. HK if town is such an easy misexe later.

not if you don't kill me first.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:27 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:08 pmAnd TSP ain't it

there's 2. why would you assume tsp isn't one of them.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:26 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:03 pm Sabi is almost TWTBAW right now honestly lol.

idk what twtbaw means

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 pm Neon has shown the only pulse in this game

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:17 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

Updated

Updated x 2

There's no way HK is pure right?

I am not picking up what you are putting down. explain?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:14 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:37 pm Like... as much as I hate it even if HK is town he needs to die before lylo because he's the easy mislim in lylo.

speak for yourself lmao

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:32 pm HK first. Than we figure out the rest.

I will not be joining

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:38 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:34 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:58 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:31 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:29 pm Why weren't you nked. Why wasn't porscha. We are misclearing ppl

Why wasnt literally any -insert name- nk'd is low iq in this situation lmao so unproductive

But like

Are you not wondering

About why either of us are alive?

i'm not in the slightest.

is that because u chose the nk

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:37 pm Think I’m gonna ride or die on Esooa town until I read an esooa post

What

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:14 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:59 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:23 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:14 am Like I get it, you think I'm a wolf (or you have to push HK is a wolf because you're a wolf), and you think I'm being shitty. I am being shitty. I'm sick of being pushed for 4 fucking days, having literally none of my thoughts and reads respected, being told my play is bad, mocking me, and generally not having a good time.

When I do try solving the responses I get are "you're a wolf" or "that doesn't make any sense, wolf" so pardon me for not having the sunniest of dispositions.

I'm right in that the longer I live the more likely I am to be town because if I were a wolf you'd think I'd have gone over D1, 3, 4 but I haven't. Which means that either I'm being hard protected, or there are people in this thread who are even worse mafia players than I am (if they are town) which is, at this point, saying something fucking profound.

If I'm being hard protected who's doing it? Mac on D1, he flipped wolf.
Sabi the rest of the game, nobody seems to care about that though.
The solve is never proposed as "Sabi/HK" or at least wasn't until a few hours ago anyways.

So no, I'm not sorry for being sharp and having an edge to my posting. You try sitting in the POE, being shut down for 3+ days, and be told your game is shit and you're a shit player and see if you're sunshine and rainbows. Bet you're not.

I sit in PoEs for entire games all the time by the nature of the way I play the game and I've never really been pissed about it. That's like the nature of mafia.

I'm sorry that you've been in the PoE. I'm sorry that people are telling you your shit though I don't think I've ever done that and if I did I'm sorry and that's most certainly not what my intent was. I've been defending you most of the game. I've been listening to you most of the game.

At some point though I have to wonder... because Sabi is consensus town and never gets NKd in a mountainous. Your concensus PoE and never get DKd. I'm supposed to think that someone isn't saving your ass. I'm supposed to think that your not mafia? That you haven't been saved two days. I'm supposed to think that ALL of these wagons are T v T? And that Mac Esooa at EoD 2 was S v S?

I'm supposed to think nobody decided this entire time to shut down the highest posting consensus town? Like that's a lot of mental gymnastics from where I'm at right? Can you not see my conundrum?

Can you not see how you might try to preempt any push on you today? Like I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't see a world where I can find you with your approach to me up to this point.

And I'm not calling you shit. No kinda the opposite really. Regardless of alignment you've played exceptionally well to even make it this far.

Finally a real argument as to how HK can be a wolf!

That's only slightly sarcastic btw.

Legit though, yes, I do expect you to believe all the wagons excluding Mac have been TvT, they have been. I'm sure I flip today, idgaf about it really, I just am trying to hold as many peoples feet to the fire before I go.
You'll see they've been TvT with the exception of Mac v Esooa.

As to whether or not that's WvT or WvW probably we'll never find out till the game ends. I don't think you'll get a wolf tomorrow, I really don't. Games too fucked up at this point and I don't see the three remaining townies pulling it out, not when failure is so easy.

There's a really good reason to not kill Sabi btw, that isn't Sabi is a wolf. If you want I'll share it with you

Yes I do want. I want to solve the game. With the town.

I have two minds here. One is it's just the you Sabi Mac power team off death

The other is its Mac and two deep woofs that nobody has suspected this entire game like Porscha and Lily and Sabi and that Mac just didn't care about dying because he figured nobody would ever get there on the others.

I think Mac very much cared about dying. I think he didn't want to be the first wolf that flips but also I don't think he wanted to flip at all.
He had spent D1 hard protecting me, pushing Ender over me, echoing me when I wanted to push Ender. He didn't shift into "HK needs to die" mode until I made it clear on D2 that I was going to just fuck around and find out. At that point he shifts into a middle world of "hk is a wolf but also hk is bad for the thread" kind of read.

I think he intended for me to go over on D2 and played accordingly.
To me that says me dying was, at that time, part of the wolf team plan, and now it is not. It also says that Mac felt like he was at least one of the stronger players on the team, if not the strongest. Mac is aware I'm a solid player even after throwing a shitfit, he's seen it happen. He also knows that I am familiar enough with his wolf game that should I decide to find it I mostly likely can do so. He knows when I want to that I can do associations with a certain amount of accuracy, even if those associations are just "these people can't be a team".

All of that to say I think Mac realized I could be a liability to the wolf team which is why he wanted me to go over on D2. When I didn't go over and continued to play like a chocolate bar zapped with lightning and given access to urban dictionary and a keyboard I feel like the wolf team shifted, or could have, into "hk is an extra in Forest Gump, run him up but don't make it over till needed" which is why I've been counterwagon but nobody is actually pushing me hard enough to go over, or there's enough of a push on someone else to cause me to be "saved" for another day.

I dunno, I'm pulling bullshit out of my head that sounds good to me. Your mileage may vary, mine is high as fuck

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:23 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:14 am Like I get it, you think I'm a wolf (or you have to push HK is a wolf because you're a wolf), and you think I'm being shitty. I am being shitty. I'm sick of being pushed for 4 fucking days, having literally none of my thoughts and reads respected, being told my play is bad, mocking me, and generally not having a good time.

When I do try solving the responses I get are "you're a wolf" or "that doesn't make any sense, wolf" so pardon me for not having the sunniest of dispositions.

I'm right in that the longer I live the more likely I am to be town because if I were a wolf you'd think I'd have gone over D1, 3, 4 but I haven't. Which means that either I'm being hard protected, or there are people in this thread who are even worse mafia players than I am (if they are town) which is, at this point, saying something fucking profound.

If I'm being hard protected who's doing it? Mac on D1, he flipped wolf.
Sabi the rest of the game, nobody seems to care about that though.
The solve is never proposed as "Sabi/HK" or at least wasn't until a few hours ago anyways.

So no, I'm not sorry for being sharp and having an edge to my posting. You try sitting in the POE, being shut down for 3+ days, and be told your game is shit and you're a shit player and see if you're sunshine and rainbows. Bet you're not.

I sit in PoEs for entire games all the time by the nature of the way I play the game and I've never really been pissed about it. That's like the nature of mafia.

I'm sorry that you've been in the PoE. I'm sorry that people are telling you your shit though I don't think I've ever done that and if I did I'm sorry and that's most certainly not what my intent was. I've been defending you most of the game. I've been listening to you most of the game.

At some point though I have to wonder... because Sabi is consensus town and never gets NKd in a mountainous. Your concensus PoE and never get DKd. I'm supposed to think that someone isn't saving your ass. I'm supposed to think that your not mafia? That you haven't been saved two days. I'm supposed to think that ALL of these wagons are T v T? And that Mac Esooa at EoD 2 was S v S?

I'm supposed to think nobody decided this entire time to shut down the highest posting consensus town? Like that's a lot of mental gymnastics from where I'm at right? Can you not see my conundrum?

Can you not see how you might try to preempt any push on you today? Like I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't see a world where I can find you with your approach to me up to this point.

And I'm not calling you shit. No kinda the opposite really. Regardless of alignment you've played exceptionally well to even make it this far.

Finally a real argument as to how HK can be a wolf!

That's only slightly sarcastic btw.

Legit though, yes, I do expect you to believe all the wagons excluding Mac have been TvT, they have been. I'm sure I flip today, idgaf about it really, I just am trying to hold as many peoples feet to the fire before I go.
You'll see they've been TvT with the exception of Mac v Esooa.

As to whether or not that's WvT or WvW probably we'll never find out till the game ends. I don't think you'll get a wolf tomorrow, I really don't. Games too fucked up at this point and I don't see the three remaining townies pulling it out, not when failure is so easy.

There's a really good reason to not kill Sabi btw, that isn't Sabi is a wolf. If you want I'll share it with you

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:14 am Like I get it, you think I'm a wolf (or you have to push HK is a wolf because you're a wolf), and you think I'm being shitty. I am being shitty. I'm sick of being pushed for 4 fucking days, having literally none of my thoughts and reads respected, being told my play is bad, mocking me, and generally not having a good time.

When I do try solving the responses I get are "you're a wolf" or "that doesn't make any sense, wolf" so pardon me for not having the sunniest of dispositions.

I'm right in that the longer I live the more likely I am to be town because if I were a wolf you'd think I'd have gone over D1, 3, 4 but I haven't. Which means that either I'm being hard protected, or there are people in this thread who are even worse mafia players than I am (if they are town) which is, at this point, saying something fucking profound.

If I'm being hard protected who's doing it? Mac on D1, he flipped wolf.
Sabi the rest of the game, nobody seems to care about that though.
The solve is never proposed as "Sabi/HK" or at least wasn't until a few hours ago anyways.

So no, I'm not sorry for being sharp and having an edge to my posting. You try sitting in the POE, being shut down for 3+ days, and be told your game is shit and you're a shit player and see if you're sunshine and rainbows. Bet you're not.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:10 pm HK for multiple days

"I can't live until Iylo or town loses"

HK now

"You can't ever kill me or town loses"

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:43 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:37 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:27 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:25 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:22 pm You don't need to test. I'm not testing. The game is here. HK has been a counter wagon to 2 dead townies. Do you HONESTLY think that HK has been a T v T wagon twice and their flip isn't a solve either way?

I don't know what to think.

I want to know what the world view is if he flips V or w.

So yes sorry I didn't fucking move my vote to hk in a game with no hammers that doesn't end for another 46 hours.

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Happy now?

AtE is always scummy.

This isn't what I want and you know that.

You know ate is NAI for me.

You have been in how many games with me? You know I'm always like this.

Don't fucking compare me to others.

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

This doesn't hammer the fucking day. Newsflash

Yes I'm aware.

And I wish you wouldn't. Self voting is anti town. AtE is anti town.

And I'm a fucking sucker for it. It works and that's how I know it's anti town because I've let way too many woofs live because they made me feel like shit.

I don't want you to self vote. I don't want you to be mad at me I don't want you to think I'm putting you down or whatever. I want to understand you and work together...I want to find you if you're town.

But this entire day feels like HK and Sabi gang up on Neon and shade her with weak counter arguments because she got it right and needs to die.

And it feels like your openly trying to protect HK which... okay maybe your just town that TRs HK but you have to see the logic we all see no?

What is my wolf motivation to protect hk? I townread him (still need to reread).

I just don't like how we are using today to wash our hands and not figure out next steps. No one really has any logical explanation about what happens when hk flips. No one is rethinking anything and I find it weird and sus that everyone is calm.

Maybe because I spent the whole game tunneling santy and I was wrong hence why I feel this way.

I just am frustrated and want to scream.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:27 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:25 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:22 pm You don't need to test. I'm not testing. The game is here. HK has been a counter wagon to 2 dead townies. Do you HONESTLY think that HK has been a T v T wagon twice and their flip isn't a solve either way?

I don't know what to think.

I want to know what the world view is if he flips V or w.

So yes sorry I didn't fucking move my vote to hk in a game with no hammers that doesn't end for another 46 hours.

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Happy now?

AtE is always scummy.

This isn't what I want and you know that.

You know ate is NAI for me.

You have been in how many games with me? You know I'm always like this.

Don't fucking compare me to others.

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

This doesn't hammer the fucking day. Newsflash

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:27 pm Neon I just want to say before I close tab that as either alignment your play this game has been great. You have been a joy to play with

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:22 pm You don't need to test. I'm not testing. The game is here. HK has been a counter wagon to 2 dead townies. Do you HONESTLY think that HK has been a T v T wagon twice and their flip isn't a solve either way?

I don't know what to think.

I want to know what the world view is if he flips V or w.

So yes sorry I didn't fucking move my vote to hk in a game with no hammers that doesn't end for another 46 hours.

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Happy now?