The Syndicate

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:22 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:57 am There's one in Wilgy or pyxxy, leaning Wilgy for creature-y reasons. But it's definitely not omgus.

why do you think one in these two specifically? also does anyone have a link to the great Pyxxy wolf game that's been mentioned a couple times?

also if Neon's best wolf game was the one she linked on Mafiauniverse, she's probably town here.. she barely posted in comparison and seems completely different. i couldn't figure out how to ISO on the other site though.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 am my hair is also that pink

having to do my roots blonde all the time kinda unfun tho

maintenance of the pink is a pain and $$

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:12 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.

Neon, you were completely MIA for the great Jack off and I believe Obscurity at least believes in this read on you. You defining it as weak is just incorrect.

Is that really the best anyone in this game can do?

You weren't here so shutup wolf?

Like...read me on what I've done when I was here not on what happened when I wasn't. I'm reading what exists in the thread.

hush wolf you weren't here.

I'll iso you tomorrow Neon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:09 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:46 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:31 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:14 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:11 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:59 pm

This feels needlessly dismissive and doesn't even answer my question.

There is literally no question here. And you are scum.

Yes there is. I asked you why you don't think it's fair. And I'm trying to find you if we're both town so I can solve this game but if you're going to act like this I will push on you and have zero regrets if you flip town.

You can kill another town you've been very good at that. I hope town can eventually see that all your bad faith pushes have done nothing but kill town and that your continued weak defense of Jack was so wishy washy and Hedgy that you can sit here and go well clearly I wasn't really protecting him. Which is also scummy.

So if your town your wolf siding and this push your leading on me another town will just get you killed tomorrow and if you're wolf like I REALLY think you are right now because of your approach to me your just another wolf I've found that town is too blind to ever push onto like I dunno that happens a lot and I'm right a lot.

I still have literally no idea what your asking me...

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Falc is also acceptable.

Lmao why?

Mostly a gut vote on the progression between you and Obscurity. It reeked.

It might stay, it might not. I need to look at your ISO before I just blindly sheep Obscurity/Anne.

Oh, I should try to solve Anne's slot better. I still feel they are towny, but I think I should reassess the clear I provided earlier.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:08 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:40 am

anne wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:04 pm looks like wolves were looking to bus sabi p early on into the game according to jack's early posting, it wasn't until a bit later they thought maybe they could save her. jack seems like the kind of wolf that can't resist tmi'ing his partners as wolf so the early iso also looks sort of bad for neon, but there is some outside stuff that makes me doubt that.

Care to describe the outside stuff that makes you doubt it?

I need to ISO Neon. They seemed mostly absent yesterday if I recall, but their posts today are somewhat sketch. I also don't think I am misremembering, but I have a firm memory of Neon's TR list prior to the Jack yeet was specifically bad. They claim to be a player who gets TRs instead of hunting for SRs, but I had thought I quoted and asked about a TR list that specifically had nothing/went nowhere.

I think the only firm reason I recall tring Neon was because Mac's accuracy on that slot.

Man. I wish my hair could be as pink as hers.

I'd be so fucking fab.

Meh. I need to solve Shia and Neon tomorrow morning. I should have more time to play then. Sorry again about being absent until like midnight 24 hours in lol, wife is getting ready to go out of town so I was spending time with her.

I should go to sleep now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:05 am And I also get that I'm not good at reading this new mode Porscha. That's fine. I can't change that yet, and I still sr you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:53 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:32 pm

Anyways wilgy can probably just go over today I don't TR them so they sit comfortably in my can die pile

I also still hate Pyxxys gameplay but I might be biased because Pyxxy destroyed me as wolf recently.

Also this 'idon'ttrthem' just came from nothing too so that's neat.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.

Neon, you were completely MIA for the great Jack off and I believe Obscurity at least believes in this read on you. You defining it as weak is just incorrect.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:46 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:31 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:14 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:11 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:51 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:51 pm

I was definitely not trying to save Jack though. The Creature wagon that popped up I believe was Wilgy/Falcon/+1, not sure the +1 or +2 actually? But that would've been the main attempt to save Jack.

I mean, I also would've played it very differently as mafia, and actually taken a strong stance against Jack to look good there, either bussed hard or tried to save him, rather than a limp fish "well Jack will prob flip town but he needs to die" type thing.

And like.. I think it was pretty obvious that Jack was trying to specifically appeal to me/pocket me. When I tried to switch onto him/started to come around on Lily being V D2, he basically pinged me and said he thought I was better than that.

And idk, I came into today thinking you were mafia but I'm not sure anymore. Can you elaborate on why you don't think it's fair? Like, the Jack flip basically turned my entire POE around, and the having been "loud and wrong" part is why I'm considering you in the first place, because I'm one of the people who had been loudly calling you town, and I'm struggling because I realize I've been wrong on my main reads this game. That said I don't think anything wrong I've done has majorly impeded things as I did accept Jack needed to die.

Hedgy hedging is rarely a town trait

This feels needlessly dismissive and doesn't even answer my question.

There is literally no question here. And you are scum.

Yes there is. I asked you why you don't think it's fair. And I'm trying to find you if we're both town so I can solve this game but if you're going to act like this I will push on you and have zero regrets if you flip town.

You can kill another town you've been very good at that. I hope town can eventually see that all your bad faith pushes have done nothing but kill town and that your continued weak defense of Jack was so wishy washy and Hedgy that you can sit here and go well clearly I wasn't really protecting him. Which is also scummy.

So if your town your wolf siding and this push your leading on me another town will just get you killed tomorrow and if you're wolf like I REALLY think you are right now because of your approach to me your just another wolf I've found that town is too blind to ever push onto like I dunno that happens a lot and I'm right a lot.

I still have literally no idea what your asking me...

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Falc is also acceptable.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:40 am

anne wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:04 pm looks like wolves were looking to bus sabi p early on into the game according to jack's early posting, it wasn't until a bit later they thought maybe they could save her. jack seems like the kind of wolf that can't resist tmi'ing his partners as wolf so the early iso also looks sort of bad for neon, but there is some outside stuff that makes me doubt that.

Care to describe the outside stuff that makes you doubt it?

I need to ISO Neon. They seemed mostly absent yesterday if I recall, but their posts today are somewhat sketch. I also don't think I am misremembering, but I have a firm memory of Neon's TR list prior to the Jack yeet was specifically bad. They claim to be a player who gets TRs instead of hunting for SRs, but I had thought I quoted and asked about a TR list that specifically had nothing/went nowhere.

I think the only firm reason I recall tring Neon was because Mac's accuracy on that slot.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:33 pm My voting record is totally not suss and makes sense, some people might tell you differently later, but im saying this first so I am correct and they are foolish and wrong

Making me instantly regret that town read lol

Seize the townread, no regerts, dknt look back

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:25 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:08 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.

See this is what I mean though. I very clearly outlined my reasons beyond the meme. And you're acting like I'm trying to push a ML on you when that's not what I want, like I don't want you to be wagoned if you're a villager, I've very clearly shown that I change my reads and adapt a lot but your first instinct is to just assume the worst. You're also acting like my only reason to scumread you is the Jack read and ignoring everything else I've talked about. I accept that your read on Jack was partially a meme or whatever, but that wasn't the crux of my initial issue. And how was I supposed to know that the meme had zero foundation in reality regardless? There was a wagon of literally 2 votes on you when you came at me.

You also try to pull arguments like "it happens every game" and make it into this big blanket thing rather than actually try to look for the motivation/reason behind it or try to engage with it - like, from my perspective, you're also wrongly pushing on a villager and I also get zero impression that you're actually interested in solving me. but despite how yes, I think it's very poor play, I don't necessarily think it's wolf indicative because you're just digging a grave for yourself if I flip. I tend to think this over-reaction comes from town.

Maybe AtE wasn't the right word, or it wasn't intentional, but being told I've been wolfsiding if I'm a villager touched that part of me.

Your other reasons as far as I'm aware are

How other people have treated me which is like not something I can defend

And irl. Which reading into thread absence is frustrating.

What else is there? I've been as town as I ever am. This is Neon take it or leave it. I think that just because you don't know anyone here doesn't mean you should ignore what they know. Ask the people who've played with me how they feel about me. I'm not gonna say read the dead you are well aware of how Mac felt so ask the living they can take into account what Mac's corpse can't. Pyxxy, Porscha they have enough knowledge of my game I'd say. Because frankly everyone plays mafia different and looking at me without meta knowledge of my play is a most dangerous game. I'm town but you will never believe that I'm not going to self meta I can only do what I always do.

You know why I say it happens every game? Because it does... well every time I play with people who haven't played with me anyways. And the push on me always contains a woof. Like look at who's been on my wagon and than let's play a game. Do you think the people who've voted me are all town? Because we have you leading my wagon and than we have Ruri openly sheeping you and than we had Falcon who frankly...I have no idea her levy though. I don't think my wagon is pure. And that's the thing... my wagons are never pure. I'm an easy push as town obscurity and it's not because I'm a bad player and it's not because I play mafia like garbage it's because I don't play mafia the way mafia players expect town to play. Like...if I just didn't second guess every decision I made in mafia I'd win a lot of games I figure things out I get info playing the way I play. It works no matter how many people tell me I play like shit. And mafia is a numbers game and the numbers say people who push me on the basis of nothing are mafia way more often than not.

I'm attacking your game play not you I dunno if I'm being a dick that's not intentional sometimes I'm bad at that...autism or whatever... but I'm trying to play mafia and I think your game play right now is just not good.

I'm clearing a lot of people off of the stuff with Jack, which frankly means that my POE is narrow. So sometimes thin reasons just become reasons to me, which I do understand may come off in bad faith to you but that's why I'm emphasizing that I'm exploring reads, trying to find scum, I'm not tunneling. I'm also better at finding town than scum as a whole and I realized that I must be misclearing people. As mafia I have no reason to completely 180 my read on you though in that situation, especially when there's 2 mafia left and I would need to survive a lot of MLs.

That's all very well, I'm not trying to ignore meta on you. That's the type of stuff I was looking for because it's my missing piece of the game. Like I just looked at your past game and Sabi won against you as mafia. So you had that background stuff day 1 to find her as mafia. Me, I had none of that. The only meta I was accounting for on you was Mac, who was dead n2, so I wouldn't know if his read would change at this point, but I didn't know those people played with you before, and I do take that into consideration/value.

I don't really understand what's wrong with my gameplay right now. Like, I'm trying to find mafia in a site I'm new to and people I'm new to. I didn't even understand the votes were posted until earlier. Sometimes this involves pushing on people who are town. If I was just pushing and never reflecting or re-considering then that'd be bad, but I'm doing all that stuff. I townread Jack day 2 then realized when I lived to day 3 that meant I was wrong about stuff so said kill should be in Jack/NOOK. But yeah I think viewing something as "my wagon has to have a mafia," especially when it's such a small wagon, is not correct. I mean sometimes by mere mathematics this is the case, but villagers push on villagers all the time. I've probably pushed on every single person here, nearly, at some point, and then often just changed my mind. That's why being mafia is easy sometimes, you can work around people who OMGUS and not push them and have a more static set of reads because you don't need to try to solve anyone. So like, I'm town, Ruri is probably mech town - Falcon could be mafia who voted you, but
not specifically because he voted you - because his vote on you didn't really make sense/I'm not sure where it came from. My reasons for suspecting you may not necessarily have been strong but they at least made sense and I think it's clear I believed them even if I now think I was probably wrong.

Because believe it or not I do listen to you when you say that more people than just Mac have the meta and take that into account and I don't even think you're mafia anymore. I just wanted you to understand that in a world where;
1. A lot of people look good off of Jack
2. I realize that some of my strong townreads have to be wrong
3. I am put off by your immediate reaction, even if I'm reflecting on that
4. You're literally saying that people who don't know you don't understand your style
I don't know why you find it so surprising that I may suspect you here.

Anyway, I'll see what content we get from Wilgy today, this game has taken too much out of me tn and I'm going to sleep.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:33 pm My voting record is totally not suss and makes sense, some people might tell you differently later, but im saying this first so I am correct and they are foolish and wrong

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:07 pm Neon do you have a scum game on another site you can link (or here, but I didn't think I saw one)?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:03 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:32 pm

Anyways wilgy can probably just go over today I don't TR them so they sit comfortably in my can die pile

I also still hate Pyxxys gameplay but I might be biased because Pyxxy destroyed me as wolf recently.

ey.

This is a distraction from your entanglement with obscurity.

I think you've mentioned that you're always better at town reads than scum reads?

Who are your townreads right now, even better if you could sort them into solid and shaky?

Totally okay if you have a lot of nulls. Consider nulls and scum reads to be the same for this exercise?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:08 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.

See this is what I mean though. I very clearly outlined my reasons beyond the meme. And you're acting like I'm trying to push a ML on you when that's not what I want, like I don't want you to be wagoned if you're a villager, I've very clearly shown that I change my reads and adapt a lot but your first instinct is to just assume the worst. You're also acting like my only reason to scumread you is the Jack read and ignoring everything else I've talked about. I accept that your read on Jack was partially a meme or whatever, but that wasn't the crux of my initial issue. And how was I supposed to know that the meme had zero foundation in reality regardless? There was a wagon of literally 2 votes on you when you came at me.

You also try to pull arguments like "it happens every game" and make it into this big blanket thing rather than actually try to look for the motivation/reason behind it or try to engage with it - like, from my perspective, you're also wrongly pushing on a villager and I also get zero impression that you're actually interested in solving me. but despite how yes, I think it's very poor play, I don't necessarily think it's wolf indicative because you're just digging a grave for yourself if I flip. I tend to think this over-reaction comes from town.

Maybe AtE wasn't the right word, or it wasn't intentional, but being told I've been wolfsiding if I'm a villager touched that part of me.

Your other reasons as far as I'm aware are

How other people have treated me which is like not something I can defend

And irl. Which reading into thread absence is frustrating.

What else is there? I've been as town as I ever am. This is Neon take it or leave it. I think that just because you don't know anyone here doesn't mean you should ignore what they know. Ask the people who've played with me how they feel about me. I'm not gonna say read the dead you are well aware of how Mac felt so ask the living they can take into account what Mac's corpse can't. Pyxxy, Porscha they have enough knowledge of my game I'd say. Because frankly everyone plays mafia different and looking at me without meta knowledge of my play is a most dangerous game. I'm town but you will never believe that I'm not going to self meta I can only do what I always do.

You know why I say it happens every game? Because it does... well every time I play with people who haven't played with me anyways. And the push on me always contains a woof. Like look at who's been on my wagon and than let's play a game. Do you think the people who've voted me are all town? Because we have you leading my wagon and than we have Ruri openly sheeping you and than we had Falcon who frankly...I have no idea he left though. I don't think my wagon is pure. And that's the thing... my wagons are never pure. I'm an easy push as town obscurity and it's not because I'm a bad player and it's not because I play mafia like garbage it's because I don't play mafia the way mafia players expect town to play. Like...if I just didn't second guess every decision I made in mafia I'd win a lot of games I figure things out I get info playing the way I play. It works no matter how many people tell me I play like shit. And mafia is a numbers game and the numbers say people who push me on the basis of nothing are mafia way more often than not.

I'm attacking your game play not you I dunno if I'm being a dick that's not intentional sometimes I'm bad at that...autism or whatever... but I'm trying to play mafia and I think your game play right now is just not good.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.

See this is what I mean though. I very clearly outlined my reasons beyond the meme. And you're acting like I'm trying to push a ML on you when that's not what I want, like I don't want you to be wagoned if you're a villager, I've very clearly shown that I change my reads and adapt a lot but your first instinct is to just assume the worst. You're also acting like my only reason to scumread you is the Jack read and ignoring everything else I've talked about. I accept that your read on Jack was partially a meme or whatever, but that wasn't the crux of my initial issue. And how was I supposed to know that the meme had zero foundation in reality regardless? There was a wagon of literally 2 votes on you when you came at me.

You also try to pull arguments like "it happens every game" and make it into this big blanket thing rather than actually try to look for the motivation/reason behind it or try to engage with it - like, from my perspective, you're also wrongly pushing on a villager and I also get zero impression that you're actually interested in solving me. but despite how yes, I think it's very poor play, I don't necessarily think it's wolf indicative because you're just digging a grave for yourself if I flip. I tend to think this over-reaction comes from town.

Maybe AtE wasn't the right word, or it wasn't intentional, but being told I've been wolfsiding if I'm a villager touched that part of me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:49 pm

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:52 pm I'm not very familiar with the site too. Just saying.

@Porscha Porschawanna update me so I make an informed decision?

here is your post:
Ranking whoever are aliving.

Phraze

Obscurity
Falcon
Porscha
Seanzie
pxxy
Schiavetto
Anne
Neon
DrWilgy
Creature
Nanook

I would move creature up quite a bit, doubtful nook should be that low imo, move falcon down quite a bit, sean more confirmed than me, i'm ok with the middle enough in the null-ish area

I guess I don't think there are 2 wolves within wilgy / creature / nook tbh

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:56 pm Anyway I may end up sheeping Seanzie on Wilgy after yesterday. But I don't appreciate being told I'm playing anti-town by someone who did nothing to push Jack and was absent when I was part of ensuring he was flipped despite a Jack trying to AtE me hard. I also don't appreciate now being AtE'd by 3 people just for voting them.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:14 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:11 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:51 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:51 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:43 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:36 pm

Who do you think is mafia?

Like, I don't know what "wolf!Neon" is capable of. I will say that I don't want to ignore Mac's dead on you and I'm not locked on your being mafia.I think the read on Jack could reasonably come from v!you, but I was weighing it in addition to a couple other things (a lot of people looking really good in relation to Jack, you falling off a bit, Jack/Sabi's respective treatments of you having some pingy moments). I felt like the Jack thing was pressed enough to seem like a real thing that came out of a meme, but the read was more of an overall thing. I'd rather not waste time with people defending themselves though, because when this happened in the past with Jack + Lucy it just came off as an attack at me, and I'm just trying to figure out the mafia. It's not helpful when a lot of people's pushes have seemed meta founded and I haven't been able to follow.

Asking me who the mafia is will rarely return the results you want. Unless i see something that pings me hard I have nothing to say.

I probably don't have something to say if I don't say it. Right now I'm looking at you and wilgy. I think Jack was at points savable yesterday and I think that woofs are in a bad position with Jack dying on this situation so I think at the very least 1 woofer would go all in on trying to save Jack.

In my experience people who treat my slot the way you are generally are woofs. I do not think your approach to me is fair or valid. I wonder because you are loud and leading town but you've been loud and leading town away from woofs and knowing that I'm town your leading them into town.

I was definitely not trying to save Jack though. The Creature wagon that popped up I believe was Wilgy/Falcon/+1, not sure the +1 or +2 actually? But that would've been the main attempt to save Jack.

I mean, I also would've played it very differently as mafia, and actually taken a strong stance against Jack to look good there, either bussed hard or tried to save him, rather than a limp fish "well Jack will prob flip town but he needs to die" type thing.

And like.. I think it was pretty obvious that Jack was trying to specifically appeal to me/pocket me. When I tried to switch onto him/started to come around on Lily being V D2, he basically pinged me and said he thought I was better than that.

And idk, I came into today thinking you were mafia but I'm not sure anymore. Can you elaborate on why you don't think it's fair? Like, the Jack flip basically turned my entire POE around, and the having been "loud and wrong" part is why I'm considering you in the first place, because I'm one of the people who had been loudly calling you town, and I'm struggling because I realize I've been wrong on my main reads this game. That said I don't think anything wrong I've done has majorly impeded things as I did accept Jack needed to die.

Hedgy hedging is rarely a town trait

This feels needlessly dismissive and doesn't even answer my question.

There is literally no question here. And you are scum.

Yes there is. I asked you why you don't think it's fair. And I'm trying to find you if we're both town so I can solve this game but if you're going to act like this I will push on you and have zero regrets if you flip town.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:51 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:51 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:43 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:28 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:12 pm

So Neon is claiming the Jack read was a meme but seemed to carry it to the point where it made their list.

I literally TRd Jack because and I quote "I like the Miz."

If you actually believe that I seriously town read Jack I have a bridge to sell you in London.

Like seriously go reach somewhere else. Wolf Neon is more capable than TRing a team mate because of a wrestling gimmick and now capable of distancing than... any of this. And town Neon does stupid shit like TR people early based on things like how much I like their avatars or how they respond to whatever stupid question I make up that day. Sometimes I even carry that read forever lol.

Who do you think is mafia?

Like, I don't know what "wolf!Neon" is capable of. I will say that I don't want to ignore Mac's dead on you and I'm not locked on your being mafia.I think the read on Jack could reasonably come from v!you, but I was weighing it in addition to a couple other things (a lot of people looking really good in relation to Jack, you falling off a bit, Jack/Sabi's respective treatments of you having some pingy moments). I felt like the Jack thing was pressed enough to seem like a real thing that came out of a meme, but the read was more of an overall thing. I'd rather not waste time with people defending themselves though, because when this happened in the past with Jack + Lucy it just came off as an attack at me, and I'm just trying to figure out the mafia. It's not helpful when a lot of people's pushes have seemed meta founded and I haven't been able to follow.

Asking me who the mafia is will rarely return the results you want. Unless i see something that pings me hard I have nothing to say.

I probably don't have something to say if I don't say it. Right now I'm looking at you and wilgy. I think Jack was at points savable yesterday and I think that woofs are in a bad position with Jack dying on this situation so I think at the very least 1 woofer would go all in on trying to save Jack.

In my experience people who treat my slot the way you are generally are woofs. I do not think your approach to me is fair or valid. I wonder because you are loud and leading town but you've been loud and leading town away from woofs and knowing that I'm town your leading them into town.

I was definitely not trying to save Jack though. The Creature wagon that popped up I believe was Wilgy/Falcon/+1, not sure the +1 or +2 actually? But that would've been the main attempt to save Jack.

I mean, I also would've played it very differently as mafia, and actually taken a strong stance against Jack to look good there, either bussed hard or tried to save him, rather than a limp fish "well Jack will prob flip town but he needs to die" type thing.

And like.. I think it was pretty obvious that Jack was trying to specifically appeal to me/pocket me. When I tried to switch onto him/started to come around on Lily being V D2, he basically pinged me and said he thought I was better than that.

And idk, I came into today thinking you were mafia but I'm not sure anymore. Can you elaborate on why you don't think it's fair? Like, the Jack flip basically turned my entire POE around, and the having been "loud and wrong" part is why I'm considering you in the first place, because I'm one of the people who had been loudly calling you town, and I'm struggling because I realize I've been wrong on my main reads this game. That said I don't think anything wrong I've done has majorly impeded things as I did accept Jack needed to die.

Hedgy hedging is rarely a town trait

This feels needlessly dismissive and doesn't even answer my question.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:57 pm ey @Neon you haven't said anything in this game about your town game and your scum game being the indistinguishable. Should I townread you for not doing so?

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:51 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:43 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:28 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:12 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm Alright

Reads

Because you want those

Mac town
Creature town
Jack lock town

Sabi is scum yall blind

So Neon is claiming the Jack read was a meme but seemed to carry it to the point where it made their list.

I literally TRd Jack because and I quote "I like the Miz."

If you actually believe that I seriously town read Jack I have a bridge to sell you in London.

Like seriously go reach somewhere else. Wolf Neon is more capable than TRing a team mate because of a wrestling gimmick and now capable of distancing than... any of this. And town Neon does stupid shit like TR people early based on things like how much I like their avatars or how they respond to whatever stupid question I make up that day. Sometimes I even carry that read forever lol.

Who do you think is mafia?

Like, I don't know what "wolf!Neon" is capable of. I will say that I don't want to ignore Mac's dead on you and I'm not locked on your being mafia.I think the read on Jack could reasonably come from v!you, but I was weighing it in addition to a couple other things (a lot of people looking really good in relation to Jack, you falling off a bit, Jack/Sabi's respective treatments of you having some pingy moments). I felt like the Jack thing was pressed enough to seem like a real thing that came out of a meme, but the read was more of an overall thing. I'd rather not waste time with people defending themselves though, because when this happened in the past with Jack + Lucy it just came off as an attack at me, and I'm just trying to figure out the mafia. It's not helpful when a lot of people's pushes have seemed meta founded and I haven't been able to follow.

Asking me who the mafia is will rarely return the results you want. Unless i see something that pings me hard I have nothing to say.

I probably don't have something to say if I don't say it. Right now I'm looking at you and wilgy. I think Jack was at points savable yesterday and I think that woofs are in a bad position with Jack dying on this situation so I think at the very least 1 woofer would go all in on trying to save Jack.

In my experience people who treat my slot the way you are generally are woofs. I do not think your approach to me is fair or valid. I wonder because you are loud and leading town but you've been loud and leading town away from woofs and knowing that I'm town your leading them into town.

I was definitely not trying to save Jack though. The Creature wagon that popped up I believe was Wilgy/Falcon/+1, not sure the +1 or +2 actually? But that would've been the main attempt to save Jack.

I mean, I also would've played it very differently as mafia, and actually taken a strong stance against Jack to look good there, either bussed hard or tried to save him, rather than a limp fish "well Jack will prob flip town but he needs to die" type thing.

And like.. I think it was pretty obvious that Jack was trying to specifically appeal to me/pocket me. When I tried to switch onto him/started to come around on Lily being V D2, he basically pinged me and said he thought I was better than that.

And idk, I came into today thinking you were mafia but I'm not sure anymore. Can you elaborate on why you don't think it's fair? Like, the Jack flip basically turned my entire POE around, and the having been "loud and wrong" part is why I'm considering you in the first place, because I'm one of the people who had been loudly calling you town, and I'm struggling because I realize I've been wrong on my main reads this game. That said I don't think anything wrong I've done has majorly impeded things as I did accept Jack needed to die.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:28 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:12 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm Alright

Reads

Because you want those

Mac town
Creature town
Jack lock town

Sabi is scum yall blind

So Neon is claiming the Jack read was a meme but seemed to carry it to the point where it made their list.

I literally TRd Jack because and I quote "I like the Miz."

If you actually believe that I seriously town read Jack I have a bridge to sell you in London.

Like seriously go reach somewhere else. Wolf Neon is more capable than TRing a team mate because of a wrestling gimmick and now capable of distancing than... any of this. And town Neon does stupid shit like TR people early based on things like how much I like their avatars or how they respond to whatever stupid question I make up that day. Sometimes I even carry that read forever lol.

Who do you think is mafia?

Like, I don't know what "wolf!Neon" is capable of. I will say that I don't want to ignore Mac's dead on you and I'm not locked on your being mafia.I think the read on Jack could reasonably come from v!you, but I was weighing it in addition to a couple other things (a lot of people looking really good in relation to Jack, you falling off a bit, Jack/Sabi's respective treatments of you having some pingy moments). I felt like the Jack thing was pressed enough to seem like a real thing that came out of a meme, but the read was more of an overall thing. I'd rather not waste time with people defending themselves though, because when this happened in the past with Jack + Lucy it just came off as an attack at me, and I'm just trying to figure out the mafia. It's not helpful when a lot of people's pushes have seemed meta founded and I haven't been able to follow.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm *shrug*

Aside from the meme Jack read, their treatment around Jack is kind of limp. It's hard to say because they were basically absent the day he got chopped though.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:12 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm Alright

Reads

Because you want those

Mac town
Creature town
Jack lock town

Sabi is scum yall blind

So Neon is claiming the Jack read was a meme but seemed to carry it to the point where it made their list.

anne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:06 pm i dont think neon is clear or townie but i hesitate to go against mac's read when he was giving me such a hard time

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:15 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:13 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:11 pm Hold up go read all of wilgy posts 2 pages before eod and tell me that is town

go read Neon.

Neon didnt exist yesterday did she?

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:12 pm Night 4 Notes:

First of all, Creature and Mac GOAT. And whoever other townies were pushing there. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was such bus energy, simply because I thought Jack seemed towny + I townread Wilgy (main other person sticking up for him?) but I was not very surprised by the flip because something about thread momentum felt like that may be a hit.

I was around EOD mostly because I planned to vote Jack if there was ever a risk of Creature going over him, but it stayed distinct enough difference.

Second of all, I think it’s pretty clear from the way Jack interacted with me that he was largely trying to pocket me and coming at me to try to sway my vote, but anyway.

What I know:

2 mafia in [Anne, Creature, Wilgy, Falcon, Lucy, NANOOK, Neon, Porscha, Pyxxy, Ruri, Schiavetto, Seanzie]

Creature spewed hard town (probably dead). Wilgy still very town.
I townread Lucy’s EOD.
POE: Anne/Falcon/NANOOK/Neon/Porscha/Pyxxy/Ruri/Schiavetto/Seanzie
Ruri; Probably doctor?
NANOOK; Would *lean* unpaired with Jack
Porscha/Pyxxy/Schia were all town leans.
If this laziness is correct, would mean 2 in Anne/Falcon/Neon/Seanzie
If Anne is town and right on Seanzie/Jack *difference* check that’d make the last 2 exactly Falcon/Neon
*is this possible*?
~
Note: Could see Falcon/Seanzie/NANOOK TMI reads from Jack.

*Neon made a weak-sauce townread on Jack early on

Can sorta see Anne townread stuff as white knight on a villager?

Could also maybe see w!Anne take a stronger stance against Jack, but eh.

Maybe falcon is okay? P#1065

~~~

What if Creature, Wilgy, Anne, Seanzie, Falcon, and NANOOK are all okay?
Leaves Lucy, Porscha, Schiavetta, Pyxxy, Neon, Ruri
Think Schia/Jack seemed unpaired.

Neon would make sense as mafia.

Lucy seems a bit spewed from Jack as well. Plus the way Jack is pushing Sabi+Lucy, I highly doubt it’s 2 partners.

Creature cleared.
Lucy cleared.

Wilgy looks good from p#1080. Not sure what it says for Anne.

Porscha, Schiavetta, Pyxxy, Neon, Anne

Anne probably fine.

[Porscha/Schiavetto/Pyxxy/Neon]

First 2 seemed towny but if all my townreads are right that leaves me exactly at [Pyxxy/Neon].. Is that possible?

Jack seems to take a soft stance against Sabi when pressure builds. I think his treatment of Anne contrasts and reads more like white knighting.

I think Jack had a weaksauce read on NANOOK V that is unlikely paired.

Probably wouldn’t clear Ruri as it’s not out of the question Jack helps her with a claim (?) based on the weird-ish treatment around it.

p#1709 looks moderately unpaired with Seanzie.

Could see one of Falcon/Schiavetto/Porcha faired with Jack just for the way the ping came as an afterthought, though I wouldn’t necessary put a lot of stake into that.

Possibility of Neon+Ruri?

Neon does have some “Ruri looks good because of the game” brush off posts.

Neon I think has the least clearing in relation to Jack.

—

-Note that Scotty does vote Neon at one point D1.



Neon ISO:
-Gives Jack towncred for an easy/nothingsauce reason

-In retrospect, not hard to see Neon approach to Sabi as a bus? Especially when Neon isn’t one of the people Sabi snaps at in return.

-Lots of fluff

So I don’t feel like “lock Neon scum” from this ISO and I definitely want to consider Mac’s POE after Jack flip too, but also would need a good argument for why Seanzie would be paired with jack, and that was awhile ago

Also Neon sort of had a weird comment to Anne about how they’d kill Mac if they were Anne “to lock in the townread” which could’ve been what Neon did to Mac - plus in general just see the most partner potential between Jack/Neon here.

–

p#111 interaction from Sabi toward Neon feels pingy.

Maybe lack of general partner interactions from Sabi could make sense?

Sabi treatment of Pyxxy/Schia seems a bit unpaired.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:01 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol

can you elaborate on all of them again
as well as your reads on me/schia/anne/wigly

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:37 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:17 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:11 am yeah schia town

ven if lucy flips town?

maybe not but there would be more to evaluate and work with if we crossed that bridge to determine an answer

kay sorry I've been stewing on this for a bit, I really feel like Schiavetto has done squat since dropping a big catchup post D1

like you just re-read Schia, right? I think going one-by-one their posts read as slightly towny to me. But as a whole, there's very little effort at solving anything.
search.php?author_id=1101&t=2427

and then their votes are all over the place
D1: Scotty [1]
D2: Sabiplz [9]
D3: lucy [1]: Schiavetto
today D4: back being alone on lcu

town, outed scum, ? vanity wagon ?

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:14 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:27 am
Schiavetto
- what does schia think about anne? is my question

it's a fine question, just trying to figure out why that in particular is your question for me in particular

like i can see the vill motivation for this question. but.

i haven't done too much this game &i feel like there would be more urgent lines of inquiry.

to answer you though, i had the thought going into D2 that anne had a lot of Good posts d1 but none that felt locking - when Mac came in pushing for the tri-dome part of why I poked at lucy was bc it felt weird being one of the only other ppl in thread at a time (early-phase) when it wouldve been helpful to have more movement around the three & i felt she was being avoidant. i don't think any of anne's treatment of sabi d2 was distinctly unpartnered & i did have the thought at one point that with sabi already outed it would make sense for partner!anne to railroad the lim anyway

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:07 pm it's not a world i'm super invested in living in though & there are other things to worry about imo

@Schiavetto, what other things? What more urgent lines of inquiry?

poke poke [VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

btw I asked how you felt about anne, schia, because in my mind there's really only two ways to read her slot, either her flipping sabi was a planned scum play, or it wasn't and anne should be conf!town. I think there is actually an argument for both, given Sabi didn't post for like ~8 hours or something yet managed to respond to anne's snipe in 6 minutes flat. Which to me hints at...and I'm still new so I don't know squat about setups...but could there be a daychat for mafia? Someone tell me I'm loony.

But being wishywashy on anne to me feels like you're not invested in the game, which makes sense if you're scum and the miskills are flowing and so you haven't had to pay any attention to what's actually going on. So up you go.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol

Your tr list seems awfully thin tbh. You have only 3 tr since yourself doesn't count?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:53 pm I faked a red so I could get a couple reads it doesn't get much townier than that lol

Give gun plz, I'll shoot Nook

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:44 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol

Wish I was on your list but at least you are naked town

Try to save posts if you can, I'd like to talk some stuff through with you tomorrow

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:37 pm Like... I don't know if I'm missing some sort of game state awareness but why does Lily being town automatically make Jack mafia, why isn't it possible that it was town/town with mafia sitting pretty?

This is not to defend Jack, I acknowledge the possibility I'm pocketed, I just don't see why this should be obvious to us or why you're so confident. It would help me if you could explain, if maybe your background has something to do with it too because there's something I'm not getting?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:14 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol

I should be in there.

Tell me about Porscha.

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:01 pm so in my head there's 2 scenarios, there's the "easy world" scenario where Pyxxy/lucy/Lily/Ruri/Porcha/Schia has 2-3 wolves, and there's the hard scenario where this group of 4 has 1 or 0.

In the hard world, I'm looking at Seanzie/Jack/NANOOK/Falcon harder, which I do believe all would have more motivation to kill Mac, but Mac could die regardless. I think it's more likely Seanzie/NOOK wolves than Jack or Falcon, but Jack sort of fits in that he is a heavy reason for quelling scrutiny on Seanzie/Falcon/NANOOK in my mind.

So basically the scenarios are:
-The solve is easy
-Jack is a wolf or 3 people Jack is shielding (Seanzie/NANOOK/Falcon) has 2 wolves

I think Anne/Creature/Neon/Wilgy/Rondo probably has no more than 1 even in the hard world.

also i have 1 post left, so i won't use it until near EOD.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:20 pm lucy town because she seems absent this game

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:50 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:13 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:44 am @Schiavetto why did you decide to park on Lucy + not participate?

@falcon45ca is inactivity is usually your scum meta why are you town here?

It's normal to assume I could be Maf here, I've no objection to sus on my slot. It's well deserved.



I'm town here cuz' of the rand.

Solid 10/10 defense.

But everytime I think Falcon is scum Falcon is town so we 180 my read and Falcon is town.

By the sheer laws of Math, I'm never Maf for the rest of 2022.



I've randed maf like 8 times, it's fucked