The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

maybe

they did out their role for no reason though

i dont think they are in a team with falcon and creature but sure. lol multiball

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:27 pm Sus on Santy for not getting a read that has been explained and is very simple. Sounds like wolfy shade more than actual town effort.

Respectfully can EVERYONE STOP STEALING MY IDEAS BEFORE I HAVE THEM

I'M SITTING HERE DOING NOTHING CAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING THIS

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:13 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:49 am hi

without thinking about it too hard

and i still havent read most of the game

my knee jerk reaction, just from reading today's posts

is to think that i should be looking at these slots

lawpy, genny, nate, santy, SAR

I dunno I know me and nate are supposed to have a difference check but I think he's town

Is a mafia broadcaster a thing even? And like, the only reason we're meant to have a diff check anyways is cause he voted me D1 which I don't think means anything anymore

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:32 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:21 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:41 pm I am removing Santygrass from my towncore also.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm @Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

Not wanting to be ONGussy , but I am for sure less certain now that Mac is town.

Like, nnexplaines removal of a townread (less willing to form a town block) , to then a pockety post to mayo . Gives me the worries.

I'll mull it over.

Mayo is town tho. Lawpy sussing there is concerning.

Now, to sleep

I think Mac is just blindingly town honestly.

Have you ever not lock townread me? Like in any game ever?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:27 pm Are we allowed to claim in this set up?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:41 pm 4. It is legal to claim roles and to reveal role-related information publicly.

Sick I'm just gonna full claim I am night 1 and 2 compulsory roleblocker

Blocked Dennis n1 and Marmot last night

I am now essentially vanilla

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:59 pm I also think Dennis can confirm this

@Dennis did you receive an ambiguous message telling u u were roleblocked n1?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:39 am im really sad that falcon was mafia. dude posted 134 times in 2 days. that's literally 10 games worth of town!falcon

as i said, he joins the club of syndicators who put 10 times more effort into looking town when they rand mafia than when they rand town. which is most of us

no wonder town keeps losing games when mafia tries 10 times harder than town, every single game

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:41 pm I am removing Santygrass from my towncore also.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm @Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

Not wanting to be ONGussy , but I am for sure less certain now that Mac is town.

Like, nnexplaines removal of a townread (less willing to form a town block) , to then a pockety post to mayo . Gives me the worries.

I'll mull it over.

Mayo is town tho. Lawpy sussing there is concerning.

Now, to sleep

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm @Sloonei I think you are probably in a soft difference to Neon so I would appreciate your thoughts on Neon. @Neon vice versa.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:28 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:27 pm Are we allowed to claim in this set up?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:41 pm 4. It is legal to claim roles and to reveal role-related information publicly.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:25 pm Does anyone townread me, or does everyone actually think that Creature and I are teammates, and that decided it was in my best interest to vote for Creature to tie the wagons, and then move my vote to Scotty to break the tie, with the hope that Creature just wouldn't flip soonafter?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:06 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:05 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:02 pm

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:45 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:29 pm Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

I've forgotten what it was. But it was really dumb lol even if I believed it.

neon both 1) forgetting her reads and 2) refusing to explain the ones she remembers (i bet she wont answer whats marmot's towntell she found) just keeps making her town. she doesnt have the guts to do this as scum

But they haven't posted a cute anime gif yet

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:05 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:02 pm

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:45 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:29 pm Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

I've forgotten what it was. But it was really dumb lol even if I believed it.

neon both 1) forgetting her reads and 2) refusing to explain the ones she remembers (i bet she wont answer whats marmot's towntell she found) just keeps making her town. she doesnt have the guts to do this as scum

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:01 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:01 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:44 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Let"s help marmot bus

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I think Marmot town told :/

OwO where?

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:57 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:54 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:56 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:33 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:31 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:28 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:21 am Like, Sar voting with you not because they read Falcon a particular way, just that you will get 'untunneled' its just such a lazy and bad reason to vote someone. Its bogus.

You shouldn't be causing that sort of excuses in wolves or mindset in town. Its super unproductive

The way you phrased it isn’t the best but I actually disagree.

There is merit to the argument that even if I’m wrong, because so many people have weighed in and talked a decent amount about this that a Falcon flip would give a lot of information on other players. If I’m right though, then that’s still true, and it’s even better.

I disagree with all my heart to the secnd argument. There is 0 merit there, where you should just reassess.

Doing the sheep thing, then they are just being allowing to your tunnel which is bad so /shrug

Again Santy. I have reassessed. Falcon still comes up wolf. Every. Single. Time.

I think you are missing my point.

Again.

I am not saying that you should villa-read Falcon now. I am telling you to reassess and look farther. You are having only worldview consisten and being 100% reliable on falcon being a wolf.


If I tell you I have the mech equivalent on falcon being Villa, what would you do? Deflate and do nothing? Because it seems like that ln you focusing only on that

@Zenge I want you to answer me the last question

I’m not going to speculate on hypotheticals.

You’re asking me who I would push in a Village!Falcon world. But I don’t believe that’s the world we’re in.

So you’re basically asking me which villagers would I misyeet. I’m not sure that’s a productive hypothetical

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:45 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:29 pm Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:44 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Let"s help marmot bus

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:42 pm Why is @Neon voting Dennis?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:34 am

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:20 pm Hey everyone, I’m Lawpy and i’m currently in the midst of catching up

Also Neons did i play with you before elsewhere? I don’t know if you’re the same Neons i played with when i subbed into Fext’s game

Where was the game?

Over at zelda forums iirc

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:03 am And like, if falcon is a wolf we cant blame the L on the Syndicates Skill Issue.

Win-Win

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:43 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:41 am

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:39 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.

I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday

Pls stay

looks like you're one of those bottom energy high ego archetype of mafia players that love to tell everyone "SHUT UP AND OBEY ME" but then u also drop the emoji and be like "pls hug me and give me headpats ;-;"

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:07 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:07 amI... what?

this post is not a post neon writes as w/w with psv (in all worlds of neon and psv's alignments)

neon started this game's day 0 merry posting a lot. bombarded the thread with those posts

neon hates wolfing. in my recent game she was wolfing was playing linkin park songs on repeat in wolfchat - CRAAAAAAAAAAWLINGGGGG INNNN MY SKINNNNNNN, THESE WOUUUUUUUUUNDS THEY WILLLLL NOT HEAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

neon also plays no less than 10 concurrent mafia games at once. not exaggeration. 10

as such, her being so happy at the start of this game, while she was still wolfing in mine and hated it - it points to her being town

she could be mafia who decided to WIM it up this particular game start - sometimes ppl do that. but the most logical thing to think is that neon is just town here, and was relieved to not rand mafia

in ADDITION, i have a secret tell on neon - i wont be outing it so i can LEGALLY CHEAT in mafia games i play with her, as i will have LEVERAGE over her and i wont ever tell her so she cant COUNTER IT

----

now, let me see if kate made a read on svs. i cant believe i forgot to check that

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:07 am

miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:47 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm But also @miranda920 do you realize that you are calling out people for not voting while... You aren't voting.

I don’t know where I called someone out for not voting? I almost always hold on to my vote unless I’m feeling very certain

LMAO I JUST NOTICED THAT I GOT CONFUSED BY A MAC POST AND THAT WASNT YOU.

Please get a pfp uwu

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:58 am I also ADORED all of Tutuu's reads and am unafraid to sheep the fuck out of Tutuu. Maniac Tutuu deserves to be listened to. Listen to maniac Tutuu.

I'm self banned from reading Neon so nobody is allowed to ask me for that read.

I think if Dennis and Nate are both town then we kill Creature today.

What's your Neon read ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:58 am I also ADORED all of Tutuu's reads and am unafraid to sheep the fuck out of Tutuu. Maniac Tutuu deserves to be listened to. Listen to maniac Tutuu.

I'm self banned from reading Neon so nobody is allowed to ask me for that read.

I think if Dennis and Nate are both town then we kill Creature today.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:01 am Like if you think you're gonna catch me by looking for similar posts in my wolf games your gonna just misexe me a lot frankly. And I'm very tired of being misexed

now there's the town neon i know

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:02 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:00 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:10 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 pmGod I'm so lost

Explain your mindset to me plz.

I'm trying to find town I can bounce off of and work with. You know my best town game recently was GoC when I had a town core I trusted and just worked exclusively with them.

But I'm struggling here. AM was my top town read them dying really sucks.

I think I'm comfortable with Santy for meh reasons that I trust and I think Zenge Falcon is T v T.

I'm starting to lean town on you for meh reasons to.

let me retract my neon townread due to this and the nested post in the chain

these are the same posts she just wrote as wolf in my game

Yes but this is an awful way to read me because as a wolf I'm hyper aware of my town game and I emulate it very very well.

cap

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:10 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 pmGod I'm so lost

Explain your mindset to me plz.

I'm trying to find town I can bounce off of and work with. You know my best town game recently was GoC when I had a town core I trusted and just worked exclusively with them.

But I'm struggling here. AM was my top town read them dying really sucks.

I think I'm comfortable with Santy for meh reasons that I trust and I think Zenge Falcon is T v T.

I'm starting to lean town on you for meh reasons to.

let me retract my neon townread due to this and the nested post in the chain

these are the same posts she just wrote as wolf in my game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:58 pm I'll continue reading later but your appraisal of this engagement so far is painfully confbiased and inaccurate.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:00 pm Now I sleep

*Yawns*

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:29 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:19 pm Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature

Quite interested in your bolded reads.

Neon is a viberead more than anything.
Seanzie is for their SoD1 , remember them clashing with AM early with a more likely villa PoV in my mind.
SvS i should go an reread some post because I remember being villa-pinged by some post but didn't retain any specifics in my brain.


From what I got from thread,i AM heavily sussed them . And most important I see like them with a above average postcount, but get the feeling that they say nothing.

But tbh my scumreads have very little weight. If anything I think my villareads are much more sheepable and likely to be correct

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:13 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

This reminds me that I didn't post my spreadsheets last night. Lemme do that for anyone that wants to have fun with VCA.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:20 pm Hey everyone, I’m Lawpy and i’m currently in the midst of catching up

Also Neons did i play with you before elsewhere? I don’t know if you’re the same Neons i played with when i subbed into Fext’s game