The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:39 am ah jeez oh god *fumbles my cats and my bags*

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:34 am that's fair. despite my stubborn attitude in avoiding hk today, I haven't produced a more productive flip either, I guess. I just really ... really... really ... wanted more from the players remaining than what I saw from start of this day. And it appeared obvious to me I had to 180 that. thanks for chatting

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:36 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:35 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:33 am Oh also if you're 100% certain it's not Sabi than you should also think it's always at least one of Lily Esooa... but like... it's not both right...I can't see it its way too obvious

yes I did not initially sr lily today but after reading today's posts I found myself disappointed that I had one less town read...

I had sorta been assuming... that if between one of them is wolf... esooa is wolf and lily is being pocketed. but perhaps... I may be incorrect....................

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:28 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:21 am You actually also fit that which is why I want an easier way to narrow the pool. Aka HK

if you mean I fit into possible people going deep wolf on him based on my reads, i'd disagree. I think they are pretty hedgey. I let him off easy at start of day 2 despite my strong suspicion. honestly, I was almost worried in advance someone would sr me based on those reads.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:29 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Do you think Esooas reaction to HK EoD day 1 was ever wolf theatre.

the best answer would include me finding it in an ISO but I don't that energy is in me anymore. it's 2am. I do recall it being pretty good. mac had me seriously considering for a moment that wolf lily / wolf esooa combo was giving him the rough house tbh. wouldn't it be funny to be lily and esooa after all of that? probably pretty doubtful though. I'm only going on memory - just based on my memory of it, I could still see it being theater. if you had a specific post from esooa in that argument though, feel free to post and I'll read. I just can't stand digging through these long ass iso's anymore lol.

Is 4 AM and I'm not trying to dig through ISOs

I actually thought about Esooa Lily being tanned before SoD but I think that never makes sense.

I have considered lily / esooa w / w for multiple days but figured it just... it just surely wouldn't be that.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Do you think Esooas reaction to HK EoD day 1 was ever wolf theatre.

the best answer would include me finding it in an ISO but I don't that energy is in me anymore. it's 2am. I do recall it being pretty good. mac had me seriously considering for a moment that wolf lily / wolf esooa combo was giving him the rough house tbh. wouldn't it be funny to be lily and esooa after all of that? probably pretty doubtful though. I'm only going on memory - just based on my memory of it, I could still see it being theater. if you had a specific post from esooa in that argument though, feel free to post and I'll read. I just can't stand digging through these long ass iso's anymore lol.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:04 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:01 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:53 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:41 am Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

This still doesn't tell me why they'd be on HK right this second. Like I do exactly what Sabi has done if I'm partnered. Gauge if there's interest to save HK leave myself an out in either direction by saying I'm reevaling everyone.

yes, this is possible. i have generally assumed my worldview to be how most player's presented their mindsets since start of this day: fuck hk, we ball.

wolf partner sabi *miiiiiiight* stay neutral for now, but I don't think sabi has to gauge if there's interest to save HK. I'm the only one shielding him. general consensus that hk needs to be resolved today and setup is trash cuz no hammer. I think wolf sabi would also vote hk for now and then find a reason to move off of him later if there was interest in hk not going over. after all, there is no hammer.

I mean I'm like 95% sure TSP said the HK wagon was bad in one of their one sentence posts

Your defending it. HK has reasons to not vote themself. Even if TSP is neutral they decide in a 3 v 3 no? So Sabi can save HK in theory right?

mmm... in theory, as it stands at this very moment, yes that is possible. but it requires exactly a 3v3 for hk to survive. if i go rogue, and with myself I never know, then I could vanity wagon at any moment. lol
or if tsp sticks vote on me and never moves? hk still boned lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:01 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:53 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:41 am Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

This still doesn't tell me why they'd be on HK right this second. Like I do exactly what Sabi has done if I'm partnered. Gauge if there's interest to save HK leave myself an out in either direction by saying I'm reevaling everyone.

yes, this is possible. i have generally assumed my worldview to be how most player's presented their mindsets since start of this day: fuck hk, we ball.

wolf partner sabi *miiiiiiight* stay neutral for now, but I don't think sabi has to gauge if there's interest to save HK. I'm the only one shielding him. general consensus that hk needs to be resolved today and setup is trash cuz no hammer. I think wolf sabi would also vote hk for now and then find a reason to move off of him later if there was interest in hk not going over. after all, there is no hammer.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:25 pm Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:53 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:41 am Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:25 pm Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:25 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:59 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:37 am In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? because I'mnot clear lol why does it have to be hk and only you involved? because me and HK are the two most obvious choices to solve the game lolHK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. no your not I've engaged on this multiple times and recieved nothing like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. no is not despite your insistence you and sabi aren't cleared from shit at this stage. You are options on the table. Clearing you is always helpful. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? me Lily and Esooa especially based on Day 1 reactions to HK rage ball unless you think it was scum theatre and one of us were just cool with bussing lol the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? why are you so insistent that his partner is bussing him when that is not a fact and can not be proven as onedoesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. this is ridiculous and for someone who insists other people are making posts that are wolfy and make no sense you've made a fewand if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained. good HK needs to be flipped and should've been long ago

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. factually inaccurateif hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. factually inaccurate I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off? read above

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best. your hat repeating stuff this entire paragraph

you aren't the only person who isn't clear. true absolutely nobody is clear but I'm the only one who isn't clear and isn't HK who is going to be used a exe bait in lylo I don't think you and hk have to be the obvious choices to solve the game. I don't understand how you can say this when if we exe wrong today me or HK die in lylo where we can't exe wrong. There's no do overs. If me and HK are T v T and live today and we misexe town loses. Today we don't. I am in fact open to being convinced, you just weren't the one who was able to convince me. [
I do believe I am very clear, if you were clear people wouldn't be pushing you and you'd probably be dead by now but it is always technically possible sabi isn't, though I think there's like a 95% chance sabi is town. it is entirely possible Sabi isn't town and there's no way to ever say they always are If I am an option on the table, then we are tinfoiling ourselves into stupid oblivion. or you know you're not as towny as you insist you are and woofs can go deep

I see we have a gap in our thinking in regards to who could be hk's partner if he is wolf. I think if hk is wolf, his partner has always been fine with bussing him. why? Why now? Why here? There's so many people unwilling to kill HK today there's no reason to bus HK right now. Besides that even if you think that Esooa and Lily are cleared so the bus is within me and Sabi but i dont think Sabi is ever bussing here so it's me lol why would you believe that w!hk's partner would be unwilling to bus him after his day 1 incident? i don't lol but i think they'd be unwilling to bus him here. And probably after the Mac flip as a general rule if me and sabi are the only ones defending hk, then wouldn't it be *extremely* obvious who the other wolf would be? no lol could be you TSP or Sabi. Also me but it's not me. there's zero reason for a wolf partner to not bus hk and take the cred for it. there is zero reason for a wolf to bus HK this early fir cred when there's 48 hours in this god forsaken day and a misexe takes us to lylo now I also obviously (to myself) cannot be hk wolf partner and I highly highly doubt sabi is too. this continues to be excessively illogical so that leaves nothing for me to be found there, is my logic. I can't think of any reasons why, if hk is wolf, his teammate wouldn't be down to bus him at any moment's notice or even be directly pushing for his lynch. Additionally, if hk is wolf and I strongly strongly believe his partner would be bussing him, seeing his responses to everyone who push on him makes me believe there is a chance hk is not wolf. this still gives us info for the solve so sure, it can't be proven his theoretical wolf partner is bussing him right now, but since I know I'm not bussing him, and I don't think sabi is wolf and she isn't voting him, that leaves literally only tsp as the current player who is entirely null and voting me because he's presumably read very very little of the game (no shade btw, I wouldn't either if I were him.) So yes, I strongly believe that if hk is wolf, he has been bussed earlier or will be bussed today.

I don't believe HK *has* to be flipped today. But I think the average FM player would agree with you here, so I understand I'm the outlier in refusing to believe there *has* to be any particular thing that happens today. the risk of hk flipping town is just as nefarious as any other slot flipping town today, which is why I'm far more concerned with finding a wolf and not attempting to convince myself that hk flipping solves the game for me so why should I bother existing during the next 40 hours. (This is a point to the threadstate - not a comment about you btw neon.)

and it is factually accurate if everybody, say, except myself, votes hk. is repeatedly been proven this won't happen so why keep saying it It seems virtually everybody except me and sabi agreed to vote hk, excluding tsp who is doing his own thing. TO ME, that means his partner bussed unless his partner is exactly tsp. always a possibility but certainly not the only one. Why won't you reeval Sabi if HK is woof? his partner has to bus. they cannot be like me and shield HK when everybody wants HK flipped. why not there's enough counter push to save HK... again... and win the game tmrw instead of later I'm very aware that if I shield hk like this and he flips wolf, there will be an argument made against me that I have been shielding him all game and therefore his partner. But that would be too easy, wouldn't it? nothing is ever too easy but you are not the person i would ever push. I think that argument is just wrong. if everybody except myself votes hk and hk is wolf, his partner is bussing. this of course only makes sense in a world where I am town, which of course applies to my own thought process.

but I can understand this being more stressful for you if you can't even townread me at the least, i mean i actually do the more i look at things but just because i do doesn't mean your thread clearedbecause I doubt you're able to give a strong townread to anybody else either. flailing is very exhausting.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:10 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

Because HKs wagon D1 always has one wolf on it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:25 pm Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

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There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:25 pm Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

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There's no way HK is pure right?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:37 am In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? because I'mnot clear lol why does it have to be hk and only you involved? because me and HK are the two most obvious choices to solve the game lolHK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. no your not I've engaged on this multiple times and recieved nothing like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. no is not despite your insistence you and sabi aren't cleared from shit at this stage. You are options on the table. Clearing you is always helpful. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? me Lily and Esooa especially based on Day 1 reactions to HK rage ball unless you think it was scum theatre and one of us were just cool with bussing lol the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? why are you so insistent that his partner is bussing him when that is not a fact and can not be proven as onedoesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. this is ridiculous and for someone who insists other people are making posts that are wolfy and make no sense you've made a fewand if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained. good HK needs to be flipped and should've been long ago

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. factually inaccurateif hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. factually inaccurate I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off? read above

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best. your hat repeating stuff this entire paragraph

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:23 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:18 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:18 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.