The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:42 pm Also Lucy being an obligatory d1 is still fun.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:11 pm T
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Last game as town you felt the need to scum claim first, then yell town streaking. This time you lack the first.

I've got my eye on you.

Also Imma doc pleasure to meet you.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:37 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:25 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 am Holy fuck my brain is mush reading 1304 posts was a bad idea.

My catch up is town is

Me
SVS
Lucy
Dennis

I also think it's highly more probable than not that Sabi is town here. With that said I will never ever push sabi ever again even if I suspect them but in this case I'm highly comfortable saying I find it more likely that this behavior is indicative of town Sabi.

Also. Always flip the D1 CW

Always.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I mean. I don't think Seanzie is particularly towny anyways but



Brain mush. Good God

Elaborate more on those towns you have, and then please tell me more about... me.

Well me is town cause role card

SVS is town for something I forgot to write down while doing my catch up but I wrote lock town never rescind so I am gonna trust that and if you really care more than me saying vibes or something I'll dig it out of the iso when I've slept more than 2 hours in 2 days

Lucy is town solely on vibes. I just don't see the scummy motivation especially for how they acted d1 and I do think I've seen basically this exact play from town lucy but I can't point you to a post and say this is why it's a vibe thing. My vibes are good though

Dennis is so bleeding town that I don't even know how I'd have to explain it like... just read their day 1 and tell me is this a new wolf or a new town? Dennis is also better than I'll ever be but hey.

Sabi try hards as woof and is basically giving up and not being overwhelmingly present at all times. I do not think wolf Sabi does this I've never seen wolf Sabi not try hard and stress and pull their hair out over every little miniscule play. This could be faked but I don't think it is I've seen sabi play like this like word for word as town. If I've been snowed by sabi again I mean congrats you've got me fucked.

Seanzie. I dunno I don't think you're ever particularly town ish when I play with you but I can at least usually go hey I guess I can see what's going on here. I don't have that this game. I think someone should have pushed harder on the opening it was weird. I think you've been causing little micro chasms between townies poking and starting things and limping away. Also I wanna flip you for info.

I haven’t forgotten what neon had to say about svs in this post.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:21 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:17 am Because I'm the most optimal misexe after yesterday. And I've clearly been trying to get Scotty killed for days. I've sat on Scotty for hours at a time each of the past two phases.

Scotty noted my stealth votes on him. And now he's not only flipped town but town doctor I hard defended Lucy it's not that hard to connect the dots and surmise I'm wolf.

But if I take at face value that Sean and Falcon are town like I think. Roxy Golden and Dennis are town.

And I'm >50% reading Rondo town. Well I'm gonna die today. Or Falcon is.

If I was a woof I'd hard defend Lucy by nature but optimally speaking the way to play it was probably exactly how SVS did. And how I played with Wilgz when we were caught out which allowed me to get deep enough to go f3

So. I'm gonna die but I'm gonna need you to actually look at SVS tomorrow.

You know what, that is a pretty high % for you if you are town after yesterday. I pretty much broadcast that I was going to kill you today if lucy was wolf and if I am a wolf I would know that so you would know that my plan is to kill you the minute lucy flips wolf so having me at +50% is pretty high

That could be because you know if you push me I am only going to confbias you harder and just calling me neutral / town is more likely to get me to move. Explain in detail how SVS defended Lucy? Or do you mean how she made sure Lucy went over?

Can you case her for me?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:28 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

Sus.

Yeah OK. I think you're town, but I also think you're blinkering yourself with confirmation bias.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

Sus.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:21 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:18 pm I don't want to try to convince you all that someone is deep when I can't even convince you all that this is to level 0 easy.

I said deep could be you and scotty you said I was mad for thinking there was a deep wolf

Deep wolves I would accept right now are:

Roxy/SVS/Neon/Scotty/finger


Seanzie and Golden are holding the line so its still locked in as untoucable

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:11 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:05 pm Unless a cop checked Lucy and I'm just a fucking idiot. And missed that soft (frankly possible) than I just don't get it. I don't get it.

Giving up and bussing one wolf who's vanilla makes perfect sense. Giving up and letting two woofs die for free when there's been opportunities to save them that I don't get.

If the woofs rolled over than cool ig but why lol it's not like someone dumped your whole team I'd be fighting my ass off as wolf here.

This is too easy. I do not like it I do not think we are right I hope to God I'm just wrong and I suck ass.

I probably do. I've always sucked lol. But I'm still gonna blindly trust myself here.

I think you are likely correct, thats why I am pushing for other angles. BUT Lucy has not helped her case so I am not going to attack people who are voting her because low key I agree with them. Golden could be right. Game could be over. I agree with you if thats the case cool lol. I agree with you I would be fighting tooth and nail. Like you are, to save Lucy. Which is something I know you would do as wolf and I have seen you do so your ATE of "I give up I am out" only hurts you more. I am trying to keep an open mind but you are just railing against the Lucy wagon and the best option youve provided as an alternative is Scotty and no follow up or a shrug falcon. You can see how from my pov Lucy could likely be a hit? She could also be a level 0 busy town who can see we basically have the game on lock and has walked away. I just dont see her doing that as town. She hasnt even tried to vibe with me like she usually would in a game. No joke posts no "Hey welcome to the game" just 'fuck you for expecting me to play the game I signed up for because I am busy' and dipping.

I also note she has failed to vote so we can use her vote to figure out who other town/wolves could be. She is just gone.

Roxy has also not voted despite having time to post fluff about her grandkid so I see Lucy/Roxy equity in regards to giving up wolves

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:52 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:42 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:22 pm How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Also noting I do not like the attack on town WIM here

How the FUCK is this an attack on town WiM lol

The part where you attack wim

Then the part where you step by step attack wim

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:42 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:22 pm How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Also noting I do not like the attack on town WIM here

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:10 pm Busy today… not to say I won’t be here at all, but I don’t know exactly when…

So, a legacy rainbow.

People I would not elim short of the cop showing up with a red peek

SVS
Fingersplints
Neon
Roxy
Seanzie

People who could reasonably be deepwolves, but I’d only consider closer to lylo

Dennis
Rondo

If Lucy flips town, he’s worth another look

Scotty

Wolves unless the cop comes in with a green peek

Lucy
Falcon

Lucy could easily be up a tier with Scotty, but in my mind if we elim within those three and cop/deputy manage a peek within the other two we’re in good shape. I wouldn’t elim Scotty today though, he’s definitely a tier above Lucy in that sense.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:35 pm I say we flashwagon Dennis.

Why would we do that when we have someone most people think is mafia already?

Nm let’s flash wagon Dennis

Do it I dare you

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:35 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:50 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:07 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:45 am 11 people, majority at 4, 2 deaths today assuming doc fails is 9 minus 2 votes is 7 so we have 1 misyeet after today 2 total before we are in faux lylo if we don't hit vote deleter. So we gotta make these count or doc has to carry us even further on their back

Even with one vote deleted, this is what I have been saying. It's why I am trying so hard here to get people on the Lucy wagon. We can't afford miselims anymore as long as that exists in the game. And she is the only person the majority of us are not civ reading.

If she's not bad, you guys eliminate me next.

Also, I have limited time today, and I want to spend it in my very singleminded way lol. Your "what if" exercises looked interesting but I'd probably have to read up more than I have time for today, I'll hit them up tomorrow (although if Lucy IS bad, and IS lynched, I don't expect to see tomorrow ha ha).

Have you thought why I'm the only one defending lily in a game where there's 2 woofs left?

If lily is woof there should be more thread resistance. There has not been a single period of time where another wagon had more than 3 votes and that wagon was me Golden and Dennis.

That's 3 pretty universally town cored players. There's no resistance from lily there's no resistance from anyone but me. Why? Especially in this thread state.

There's 2 options. Last wolf is deep as fuck or lily is town.

Alternatively the woofs gave up.

I mean, Falcon was at like 4 or 5 votes for a while, and they are not in the collective towncore.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:07 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:45 am 11 people, majority at 4, 2 deaths today assuming doc fails is 9 minus 2 votes is 7 so we have 1 misyeet after today 2 total before we are in faux lylo if we don't hit vote deleter. So we gotta make these count or doc has to carry us even further on their back

Even with one vote deleted, this is what I have been saying. It's why I am trying so hard here to get people on the Lucy wagon. We can't afford miselims anymore as long as that exists in the game. And she is the only person the majority of us are not civ reading.

If she's not bad, you guys eliminate me next.

Also, I have limited time today, and I want to spend it in my very singleminded way lol. Your "what if" exercises looked interesting but I'd probably have to read up more than I have time for today, I'll hit them up tomorrow (although if Lucy IS bad, and IS lynched, I don't expect to see tomorrow ha ha).

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:20 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:42 am Alternatively. She thinks I'm being scummy and that after she dies and flips town I should be looked at.

But here's the thing which feels more likely? Because to me if I'm wolf I don't risk alienating the loudest voice in the room defending me in this situation. However if I'm town I might note that I think it looks sus. And to me personally I see that reality to be the higher likelihood.

Is this a norm now? Thinking that town can't legit defend town? That defending someone is automatically wolfy? Becasue last time she posted a read on you:

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:35 pm i've iso'ed neon from another game just to make sure and she's very different here, i'm confident in calling her town here

And has posted nothing since to make me think her read on you has changed. So why would she think someone she thought was town defending her maskes them look bad?

I guess the game has changed alot in the last few years