The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:13 pm

katze wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:05 pm (also neon died n2 doccing lucy, not seanzie )

source?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:52 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:43 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:06 pm I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

okay bet

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:57 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm2.PNG

for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:52 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:59 pm Damn I trust players on the Bereft wagon more than pyxxy

Wilgy when you said this, do you happen to remember who you saw on the pyxxy wagon? There were either 2 or 3 people besides yourself depending on when you refreshed the page.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:05 pm why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:18 pm wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm @DrWilgy if I flip town, do you plan to go after Neon D3? Do you think one of the top D1 wagons must be scum?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:17 pm Further he says the thread is boring and dips rather than actually trying to go into the mesh of it. I don't see how that's town sided.

this I do agree with, unfortunately that was after where I quoted from, seanzie still not showing town to me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Wilgy, this feels like a very odd response from you. You know how Seanzie works. You know he just replies like this sometimes.

You seeming to be exasperated by this feels off.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

very reasonable

If its so reasonable why did you shit the bed yesterday going full ATE when I tried to push you over and resolve? More wolf evidence that Lucy is all over the place trying to justify herself

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

you feel like this rondo might be powerwolfing rondo? (sorry for back to back just posting all the quotes I picked)

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

thoughts on Wilgy's movement if you hold this world view?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

I'm talking about my exchange here with Wilgy, where he doesn't bring up that Neon was also tied until I bring it up.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

Extract:

"Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft"

everyone else gone by -40min from EOD


and then le petit _is the NK_ and flips town

this feels odd and/or I'm self-centered

also don't know what to make of Wilgy essentially saving me

It was effectively panic.

I still think you were a fine yeet option, but LPP being on that wagon along with Rondo and Cape being on Bereft made me swap last second.

Was Neon also having 4 votes a part of your panic calculations?

Si. Neon wouldn't have been a good yeet yesterday. There's still time yet for them to town spew.

Okay you are correct which at least makes me feel better about not going there. hopefully not a temporary sensation.

I dont feel like he has been very towny. The towniest thing he did was shade wilgy, and wilgy has told pyxxy he thinks he is wolfing, but like nothing has really come from that. I kinda think they are w/w

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:33 am here is a take

if seanzie is wolf, neon is town

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:06 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:05 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 am @Porscha are u poly

No lol

1984

I'm just affectionate and flirty online for fun

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:05 am Lmao... I'm stealth voting this

it's no longer stealth lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:26 am I feel like the easy answer to this game is the wolves are wilgy neon and pyxxy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:47 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:39 pm @DrWilgy why are you voting me instead of syn?

why do you suspect me?

See above.

I suspect you both evenly I think. I don't see myself as wise enough to determine between you two. I do, however, think that Rondo is T and that swings the equity slightly against your favor... Only slightly though.

Voting you I think it optimal for untying the knot of logic I presented above.

i’m sleep deprived as shit so i’ll ask a simple question and state one fact and ask you to vote syn

1) Which ML is significantly worse, mine or syn’s?

2) two of your townreads tr me, rondo sr’s and falcon doesn’t have a read

3) vote syn uwu

let’s assume you miss on me, 2 ML’s left and just dies d3 regardless of alignment then we’re probably at 1 ml until a loss. this is logic i’m considering because most of the thread thinks it’s v/v and i might actually buy that logic to some degree

but i feel if syn is a hit we just win

1.) Syn would be the significantly worse ML I think. Syn draws tension with Rondo and Tutuu with you out of the equation. You draw tension with Rondo, Neon, Seanzie, and Tutuu with syn out of the equation.

2.) true

3.) okie dokei [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

Ew!

I agree, but Lucy just asked me so nicely though.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:50 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm

Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?

Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...

I don't like this.

That's okay you kinda aren't great at reading me so

so... I'm right?

That is quite literally the opposite of what I said

Yes, I was reading between the lines.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:40 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:58 am but i still thinks correct to go between me/syn today

I impolitely disagree.

Me 2

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:15 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

I've found that I lose to wolf!Wilgy often because I find town!Wilgy is often obscure and hard to read, and then Wolf!Wilgy gives me clear thoughts, which I accidentally townread because it feels refreshing to understand your stances better than I usually do.

This is wolf!Wilgy.

how the unholy hell is the spaghetti logic above clear thoughts? I don't even understand them.

I have them but can't parse them. This is what normally happens, but I find a string to at least follow half the time. This time I see the threads and can't pick one out of the group.

Soz about your rand, dude.

./sigh

Won't even try to interface with my reads but will instead insist upon a gut read. I think you've landed in the 'I'm fine with yeeting pile' with that, however solving in Syn/Lucy should still likely be prio.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:50 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game

Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?

Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...

I don't like this.

That's okay you kinda aren't great at reading me so

so... I'm right?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:40 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:58 am but i still thinks correct to go between me/syn today

I impolitely disagree.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:23 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep the most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Fixed.



Fuckin mobile

Rondo/Neon contains at least 3 wolves.

Rask is clear.

Pyxxy probably also clear.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:21 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game

Porscha thinks i'm town and thinks wigly is scum

what's your read on me as of now?

Same as yesterday. I'm extremely paranoid of your beginning to the game.

But I think you deserve space and that you feel like you're being honest and town in general...

I don't like this.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:15 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:14 am tutuu feels town tonight

@Porscha @Neon @tutuu do u have a wigly read

i will reevaluate him tomorrow

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 am if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all

Wait... what is this trying to say

If Lucy is mafia it's with me

But me and Lucy are never aligned

I... don't understand this

u had an earlier post i thought was non w/w. then i thought if lucy is mafia it has to be with you. then i found more posts from u that i thought are non w/w

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:04 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:03 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:46 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 pm Neon is not playing like they did in Cartomancy, and if I take their selfmeta description at face value, then they are more likely to be wolf than town, independently of anything I have said about them wrt Lucy.

i know that i am responding to a dead player but i wanna voice my take on this

i think neon is town, but bereft could be right that neon is mafia for this. i dont know. im not disproving his argument for neon specifically

independently of that though, i just know that, for me, cartomancy was ... some time ago. i dont remember

goc was a pretty long game. 22 days. everyone here played it. that was a whole marathon. plenty of time to adapt and change in some way, at least thats how it shaped up for me. might be relevant to @Syn and @Porscha

Are you making waffles.

Like full disclosure. Carto is not a good way to read my town game but also I'm not as different from Carto as y'all are acting like I am.

My main thing in Carto was telling lucy I wouldn't blindly sheep them and doing my own thing without regard to others takes on it.

How am I different here?

will you sheep me now, after seeing that game, goc and my other town games?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 am if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:15 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i find the "But anyways..." line scummy

earlier i scumread raskol for "???" (yea i know. im just saying whats going thru my mind)

If you read it with the intent to humble instead of distract I dont feel like it's weird
But is that the best way to read it? Unsure

good observation and it cements my townread on you

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:16 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i also somehow feel neon and lucy aren't w/w because of this post

would be impossible to explain this even if i tried

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:15 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

i find the "But anyways..." line scummy

earlier i scumread raskol for "???" (yea i know. im just saying whats going thru my mind)

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:09 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:01 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:56 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:55 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 am if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape

@Porscha @tutuu

You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?

i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that

I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything

because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him

an idea

what if lucy and syn are both town, and their playstyles are moon and day, and they dislike each other, and that's influencing themselves to scumread each other, when in reality they just dislike each other's gameplay

(i could be wrong, just an idea)

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:01 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:56 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:55 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 am if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape

@Porscha @tutuu

You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?

i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that

I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything

because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:46 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 pm Neon is not playing like they did in Cartomancy, and if I take their selfmeta description at face value, then they are more likely to be wolf than town, independently of anything I have said about them wrt Lucy.

i know that i am responding to a dead player but i wanna voice my take on this

i think neon is town, but bereft could be right that neon is mafia for this. i dont know. im not disproving his argument for neon specifically

independently of that though, i just know that, for me, cartomancy was ... some time ago. i dont remember

goc was a pretty long game. 22 days. everyone here played it. that was a whole marathon. plenty of time to adapt and change in some way, at least thats how it shaped up for me. might be relevant to @Syn and @Porscha

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:34 am Am I also entertaining a nice little Lucy Rondo w/w tinfoil...

Maybe.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:04 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:11 pm secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

katze wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:46 pm

notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow!aka amrock 14er

Roles:
1 town weak doctor
10 vanilla town

2 mafia goons
1 1-shot mafia rolestopper

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Stuff:

days will be 48 hours, nights will be 24 hours, days will start at 7PM eastern
post cap is 200, lifted 1 hour before eod
actions are due ~30 minutes before the end of the night
Alignment flips only ("x was town" or "x was mafia")
end of day ties = rand
hammers d2+, votes locked in lylo (not locked in mylo)
sleep is a valid vote
flavor will certainly be NAI but i am not fully sure what it will be, if anything
In this game players will be notified if they are roleblocked


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sample role pms

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sup {name}, you are a vanilla townie

glhf

sup {name}, you are the town weak doctor

each night, you may pick a player. you will heal them from any attacks that happen that night. if you ever target a member of the mafia, you will instead die. you may not target the same player two times in a row.

glhf

sup {name}, you are a mafia goon. each night, the mafia must attack a player, killing them.

the mafia consist of:
{name1} - goon
{name2} - goon
{name3} - 1 shot rolestopper

you may talk at all times, starting now, in this scum discord: [discord link]

glhf

sup {name}, you are the mafia 1 shot rolestopper. each night, the mafia must attack a player, killing them. additionally, once per game, you may target any player (including yourself), roleblocking anybody targeting them tonight.

the mafia consist of:
{name1} - goon
{name2} - goon
{name3} - 1 shot rolestopper

you may talk at all times, starting now, in this scum discord: [discord link]

glhf

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Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:15 pm for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

I'm just gonna signal boost this cause it's pretty fucking towny and pretty fucking accurate.

Yes... surprisingly towny

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:57 am i need to find the mafia assuming syn is town because if i die and that world exists it's an auto loss, 2 ml's and syn gets stacked and he can't defend himself at all

but i also need to case syn to iraq and back so i don't die ugh, i hate this

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:15 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:17 pm rask dying feels weird tbh.
Not sure what it menas

Level 0 off the top of my head tutuu wolf

allow me to introduce you to 'doctor dodging'

If we speculate beyond that we'd cause too much chaos at this stage in the game I think. PKA is fine and dandy, but hard to do without a solid foundation I think.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:58 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:34 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:33 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:27 pm I disagree with myself that it cant be all 3 of lucy/tutuu/cape90/wilgy so him town reading you when youve been somewhat towny is less important than him working with me to get lucy

If Lucy flips town I have already agreed that there is a difference check between syn/lucy however I dont think she flips town.

So I am guessing in turn you also had DrWigly as somewhat towny as well

Since both of us were about on the same point on your scum list

You are both Schrodinger's scum for me but neon and sheep have been looking bad

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:28 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:26 pm
it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?

i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time

i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:14 pm I'm too lazy to find an active player list but Porscha is basically lock town never rescind status based on play and I will die for her... still.

@Porscha helps me solve this game

Completely random question: Would you be scumreading me if Porscha wasn't townreading me?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:56 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm

what about reads for tutuu/cape?

Meh. I'll analyze them deeper today but I don't feel particularly strong either way.

Tutuu feels like the town Tutuu I've played with but that's easily fakeable meta read anyways

Cape...has gone back and forth in my head all day.

the direct consequence of this is that you basically townread all 3 of rondo's top scumreads correct?

separately what's your read of rondo?

Rondo is being Rondo. And he's being Rondo in the way that I've been repeatedly told is indicative of town rondo.

Rondo can be tunneled and wrong town. Or I can just be wrong on one of you 3 or all of you since I do have paranoia of all of you. Probably Tutuu the least honestly.

this post increases neons wolf equity a lot

True. I totally see how me having a TR on you regardless of your tunnel makes me a wolf.

imo what is scummy about that post isn't the read itself about Rondo being townread, it's the hedging to the right of that

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:37 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:28 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:26 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:25 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm

he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game

Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.

ok i will

OK cool.

What's your view on

Me
Cape
Tutuu

town
town
wolf

Expansion on these thoughts would be pretty cool yeah.

but I'm in anti-spew

i wolf-read tutuu for being overly conciliatory and constantly redirecting attention away from pressured cases. they aren't solving; they're just breaking things apart

i also wolf-read their refusal to vote

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:28 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:26 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:25 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year

If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.

he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game

Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.

ok i will

OK cool.

What's your view on

Me
Cape
Tutuu

town
town
wolf

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:26 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:25 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year

If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.

he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game

Yeah no. Saying you've solved the game D1 in like 5 posts and conf biasing it with every post and creating worlds based solely on pre flip associations without reevaling with new info is in fact...a tunnel. But you do you.

ok i will

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 pm y'all really cheapened the impact of the word "tunnel" in the last year

If Rondo is not tunnelling right now I'd hate to see your definition.

he made a case and literally everything that has happened since then has acted to strengthen the case

you're not tunneled if you think you're right and pursuing it. that's just playing the game