The Syndicate

@Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

i struggle so hard with reading people on my first game w them and ISOing on this site is turbo hell imo but when u put it side by side

it's like if you read the wiki page for w/w interactions

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

apology accepted

let's kill some wolves

honestly even if ur a wolf roping me in im fascinated enough to probably go along with it so u have my full attention

yeah i'll be here checking in for a bit

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:46 am i have this horrible sinking feeling in my stomach right now because i actually think that i might have just solved the game but ive been playing like an absolute idiot if my solve is correct

interesting

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:35 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:32 am i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

why do you think this lol

it's just the vibe i've gotten from the way you've spoken about me today - seems like your mind is made up in a similar way that nook's is and that ur playing from the assumption that im going to flip today, which in turn makes me feel more paranoid about u and makes me feel like ur mafia trying to push through my miselimination

if u are actually town and u are actually trying to re-eval me then im sorry for misreading ur thought process entirely

i think the core problem i have rn is that i think anyone wolf reading me have to be reaching super far

like okay, let's ignore the rest of the game and assume you are town. if you are town, then it makes the most sense that wolves pushed for boq to die because boq is someone who could've been reevaled wayyyy easier than you. therefore, the wolves are in the people who pushed boq to die at eod. I am not one of those players. This is part of why I TR nook so so highly because the specific play of you dying yesterday would've closed the wolves in way more than a boq elim. obviously for town hindsight is 20/20 which is why it's dawning on me now but wolves definitely knew this. I have an incredible amount of reasons to SR you and assume you are a wolf but the gamestate + clearing interactions with alison + swapping my vote at eod 1 (like boq cleared me for) all add up to me just being town. You said no one has any reason to SR you but there's plenty and even if they're not that reasonable and could be explained as town you are the reason the game is where it is and if you die for it so be it.

All that being said I have taken in what Porscha has said and tried to reevaluate you and I want to win this game. If nook is saying "i will vote spf in lylo" then you can't really live though and tbh I'm not seeing many reasons for you to live anyway but I will continue to try until eod

rambling but basically im town ur alignment is ??? is what it is but im trying my best

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:32 am i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

why do you think this lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:27 am why? u think that im mafia and i've agreed to die tomorrow if u flip town, so u get what u want from it

as someone who is trying to see u as town its awful

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:24 am i'd like to propose that we kill lilypetal today

if lilypetal flips town it will mean that i am the worst scumhunter who has ever played a mafia game before and i will immediately self-vote in LYLO and accept the loss

you might think that i'm joking, but i totally mean it. i will gladly and willingly die tomorrow if we kill lily and we are still in LYLO

this is such a bad idea

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:23 am [VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

u were voting someone else?

also i will not blame nook tbh spf should've died last day phase

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:13 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:41 pm although you just think im a wolf so not much to talk abt

well, im willing to consider a world where we're T/T

who do u think the maf are in that world?

my gut says seanzie aro but like imo aro's discussion with porscha looked pretty good for him so idk

although you just think im a wolf so not much to talk abt

hello

but i was asked for a hypothetical by aro that's not "outing"

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:09 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:58 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:29 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:27 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:02 pm Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

Weak, game losing, outing

what else is there?

if me spf porscha aro are all town then there's only 3 choices and nanook is town imo

Then you're clearing a wolf or are wolf

yes i would most likely be clearing aro in that world lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:29 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:27 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:02 pm Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

Weak, game losing, outing

what else is there?

if me spf porscha aro are all town then there's only 3 choices and nanook is town imo

Only thing holding me back from seanzie is boq's tr in his legacy

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:02 pm Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

i guess my hang up with spf is why she thinks im wolf

like none of it feels real to me ig

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:00 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:55 pm porscha legit if spf is town she is not going to be findable for me alone can u help me understand ur world view??

I have personal feelings that I am relatively good at being able to tell when 2 towns are at each others' throats, it rarely fails me when I see it, and I saw it yesterday between boq vs spf and now with you and spf. spf stronger feeling on individual read and she is the common denominator between both instances. sorry I will not be iso'ing or providing an essay and maybe it's wrong this time but I have yet to see a reason why it's wrong when rondo and sean and aro get to sit here twiddling their thumbs hardly doing anything and I have to pretend like one of them isn't a wolf

okay so who is the wolf team then?

porscha legit if spf is town she is not going to be findable for me alone can u help me understand ur world view??

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:43 pm nook and spf lock town everybody else is debatable

wait what

do u think im a wolf or do u think we are both town??

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:34 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:32 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:30 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:28 pm I will say, I do have this tinfoil read in regards to SPF and Lily.

It may be a hot take but:

Spoiler: show

There is a small chance where Lily and SPF are actually mafia together and went from hard core town reading each other to hard core bussing each other and with how confident they are on each other and in the mindset of "when they flip mafia" without any paranoi could be a potential mafia on mafia. This would be an example of going overboard with bussing as both are trying to make the other look worse by attacking each other. But also, the main reason I started thinking is because Lily had a read that she didn't want to out but from her pov, if she believes SPF is mafia, doesn't she think she may die and would want to out the read/legacy today incase she isn't alive tomorrow if she is town and she believes SPF is mafia.

i'll actually light you on fire before I let you continue this

I mean it's a tinfoil read and I know Lily and SPF are chronic bussers lol

im a chronic busser?

I saw your tower game where you pushed all your teammates lmfao. You killed every single one of them. That is considered a chronic busser. You should have won tbh, but it was unfortunate u got caught due to mech reasons lol

that was a single game where i had teammates that prior to the game starting asked to be bussed

just pedantic but lol

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:30 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:28 pm I will say, I do have this tinfoil read in regards to SPF and Lily.

It may be a hot take but:

Spoiler: show

There is a small chance where Lily and SPF are actually mafia together and went from hard core town reading each other to hard core bussing each other and with how confident they are on each other and in the mindset of "when they flip mafia" without any paranoi could be a potential mafia on mafia. This would be an example of going overboard with bussing as both are trying to make the other look worse by attacking each other. But also, the main reason I started thinking is because Lily had a read that she didn't want to out but from her pov, if she believes SPF is mafia, doesn't she think she may die and would want to out the read/legacy today incase she isn't alive tomorrow if she is town and she believes SPF is mafia.

i'll actually light you on fire before I let you continue this

I mean it's a tinfoil read and I know Lily and SPF are chronic bussers lol

im a chronic busser?

like if it's seanzie aro lmao

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:22 pm I will say tho, SPF has come out and done the exact opposite of anti-spew today lmfao. If they are mafia, their last partner exists in a very narrow POE.

would be funny if shes town tbh and the wolves are just cackling in wolf chat

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:19 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:16 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:09 pm i think lily is trying to set herself up to pretend that she thinks me/aro are maf (since she quoted the legacy post where wilgy said to turbo me/aro and then didn't leave any further comment) but isn't directly pushing for it because she's scared to get aro on her bad side and needs him to vote with her today to win lol

wouldn't i be outed in your world so it wouldn't matter if you die? nothing ur saying makes sense to me tbh it just seems like a flailing wolf

to u ur town and im a wolf so you die and then we go to lylo and i get snap voted

how about u find my teammate lmao

this isn't even a response to what i'm saying - i have already accepted my death today and i literally opened the day by giving my suggested LYLO voting order! i'm talking about how YOU are approaching today by refusing to make enemies with anyone beyond me because youre a wolf and you need me to get miseliminated to achieve your win condition

i have been tinfoiling aro all game why would i need to pretend anything? i think aro has a high chance of being your partner yeah. i'd put him in the 2 possible candidates for your wolf buddy

i dont need anyone on my side honestly, if town wanted me dead today then so be it you still die in lylo but i rather we not go to lylo to begin with lol

i just think the world ur constructing falls apart very fast if you look at it critically and i get that it's because you're a wolf pushing ur last condition before you die which is to try and get me MLed

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:19 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:10 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:02 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:58 pm i am nearly mod confirmed mafia

huh

both villagers that died yesterday would say otherwise lol

See lily, this is what I was saying when you pick and choose your legacies.

You were disregarding Lucy's reads and saying we shouldn't pay attention, but now using Wilgy's and Boq's as "justification" as to why you are pseudo-confirmed town.

I get it that Lucy was sr you, but you disregard her and then point to the people that tr you.

yeah but they're correct lmao

lucy said i was lock scum so ofc im gonna feel meh abt her reads

all dead villager's voices should be treated equally. Everyone has their own voice in this game and we should all be heard from whether we are ml or killed at night. Everyone's opinions matter lol. Sure they can be wrong on you but maybe they can be correct elsewhere. Maybe it's different philosophies, but that is kind of how I roll tbh.

thats fair but lucy was very obviously wrong about who was a wolf this game and i would know that so from my position her legacy matters much less atm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:09 pm i think lily is trying to set herself up to pretend that she thinks me/aro are maf (since she quoted the legacy post where wilgy said to turbo me/aro and then didn't leave any further comment) but isn't directly pushing for it because she's scared to get aro on her bad side and needs him to vote with her today to win lol

wouldn't i be outed in your world so it wouldn't matter if you die? nothing ur saying makes sense to me tbh it just seems like a flailing wolf

to u ur town and im a wolf so you die and then we go to lylo and i get snap voted

how about u find my teammate lmao

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:02 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:58 pm i am nearly mod confirmed mafia

huh

both villagers that died yesterday would say otherwise lol

See lily, this is what I was saying when you pick and choose your legacies.

You were disregarding Lucy's reads and saying we shouldn't pay attention, but now using Wilgy's and Boq's as "justification" as to why you are pseudo-confirmed town.

I get it that Lucy was sr you, but you disregard her and then point to the people that tr you.

yeah but they're correct lmao

lucy said i was lock scum so ofc im gonna feel meh abt her reads

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:01 pm "i'd rather wait until tomorrow to give my theory' is code for: "there are no realistic partners for SPF but i dont want to say this out loud and give it away because i need her to get miseliminated today"

you have two realistic partners..

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:59 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:59 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:58 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:55 pm why would i not wolf read u for ur eod alone

i already talked abt why i thought u were a wolf yesterday so much that i'd vote you over boq who i couldve seen being a wolf in both wolf worlds i was floating around

uhhh because boq was pushing on me and trying to get me killed when i thought that he would always townread me from his POV? why are you trying to imply that it's wolfy for me to have pushed on the same person that u wolfread for literally the entire game? is it only OK when you do it?

yep

cool, this just confirms to me that you do not care about your reads being logically consistent because you are mafia. you got your free miselimination on me today so gj

just no reason to waste my time talking to a wolf lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:59 pm oh and lily, who do u think the other mafia is? who's partnered with me? is it me and aro? me and seanzie? i'm blatantly unpaired with everyone in this game and i think the reason u arent even trying to solve outside of me today is because u know that you cant realistically pair with me with anyone

i have an idea but i rather wait till tomorrow to give my theory tbh

why would boq town read you from the pov he was laying down? he realized I was V so you were obviously a wolf to him as well lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:58 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:55 pm why would i not wolf read u for ur eod alone

i already talked abt why i thought u were a wolf yesterday so much that i'd vote you over boq who i couldve seen being a wolf in both wolf worlds i was floating around

uhhh because boq was pushing on me and trying to get me killed when i thought that he would always townread me from his POV? why are you trying to imply that it's wolfy for me to have pushed on the same person that u wolfread for literally the entire game? is it only OK when you do it?

yep

i am nearly mod confirmed mafia

huh

both villagers that died yesterday would say otherwise lol

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:54 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:36 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:35 pm like why would i actually not vote you? i know you're a wolf so ur view of the game is different but like geez i wanted you dead and you wiggled your way out of it gj but the act is over

because you don't have any real reasons to wolfread me in the first place, because ur view of the game has been proven wrong upon boq flipping V, because re-evaluating the day before LYLO is what any competent villager should do

but at eod it was obvious boq was a town and i had stopped voting boq eons ago

so like i knew my view of the game was wrong on boq but why is it wrong on you lol? why do i have no reason to wolf read you?

why didn't you try to convince porscha then to vote SPF if you were this confident?

i was busy during eod and couldnt post much and while i was confident boq was town i figured it was a done deal cuz it was like 6-3 or whatever

why would i not wolf read u for ur eod alone

i already talked abt why i thought u were a wolf yesterday so much that i'd vote you over boq who i couldve seen being a wolf in both wolf worlds i was floating around

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:29 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:25 pm ok i self-voted in a fit of passion because i was annoyed that boq did it to try to force a towntell but i just switched back

why would boq town telling be a bad thing? If you are town then you should want people to town tell? perspective slip?

no my point is that i find it very difficult to believe that boq would self-vote in this position as a villager, and that he did it as a last-ditch attempt to force a towntell as mafia - not that he actually towntold and i was mad about it

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm turbo boq tomorrow once i flip. if you don't then i will personally hand write a very strongly worded letter to every villager in this game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:40 pm btw i change my mind and i think that drwilgy is more likely to be the wolf im misreading instead of rondo if the team isn't lily/boq. him silently switching his vote to me after having an extremely bad dayphase is just embarrassing

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:43 pm this is not how boq plays as a villager in any game ever, even when he is under pressure/stressed. every post he has made within the last hour has been made with the purpose to ATE or the purpose to WIFOM and he does neither of those things as town

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:48 pm if boq is town then this has a high chance of being the worst forum mafia game ive ever played

i think he is outed though

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:48 pm if boq is town then this has a high chance of being the worst forum mafia game ive ever played

i think he is outed though

Why though?

he has dedicated almost every post in the last hourish to ATEing/WIFOM/he went out of his way to self-vote/he has done so many things today that i do not think would do as a villager, ever. they are outside of boq's range as a villager from what i understand of how he plays as town

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:36 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:35 pm like why would i actually not vote you? i know you're a wolf so ur view of the game is different but like geez i wanted you dead and you wiggled your way out of it gj but the act is over

because you don't have any real reasons to wolfread me in the first place, because ur view of the game has been proven wrong upon boq flipping V, because re-evaluating the day before LYLO is what any competent villager should do

but at eod it was obvious boq was a town and i had stopped voting boq eons ago

so like i knew my view of the game was wrong on boq but why is it wrong on you lol? why do i have no reason to wolf read you?

boq dying made me go okay i am obv misclearing someone

and im p sure i know who it is so im doing totally fine

it's not even going to be lylo because it goes to 1 wolf tomorrow

like why would i actually not vote you? i know you're a wolf so ur view of the game is different but like geez i wanted you dead and you wiggled your way out of it gj but the act is over

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:28 pm so, here's my proposed voting order for LYLO tomorrow:

i want lilypetal to vote first. this is because i think she is outed mafia after how yesterday played outed and i don't want her to get away with parking her vote until the last minute. she should be the first vote.

i want rondo to make the second vote. this is because he is a wildcard and (respectfully) if he's town, i would rather that he votes in reaction to liyl's vote instead of voting randomly/having the choice fully to himself

i want arogame to be the third vote. this is because he is my strongest townread in the game and i trust him to make a difficult/hard decisions and behave well under pressure.

i want seanzie to be the fourth vote bcuz i don't trust him and think he might be mafia

i want nanook and porscha to be the fifth and sixth votes. this is because i think both of them are likely to be town and i think it would be for the best if they each got to make the final decision

once i flip today, please follow this order. obviously, one of the ppl in this list is gonna die tonight, so just follow the order while removing whichever person died

how am i outed mafia lol

you TMI'd boq as town yesterday by refusing to vote him or push for him even though he was ur strongest scumread, and this is because u wanted him to be dead without getting your hands dirty. you TMI'd me as town by pushing on me for vague and unclear reasoning and trying to pit me and boq against each other. you are howling today by opening by trying to immediately kill me instead of re-evaluating ur worldview and starting over from scratch

i think reevaling would be what a wolf would do when my bloodlust is unresolved

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:56 pm Legacy: Boq flips T hit SPF and Aro with a shovel

Boq flips wolf yeet Lily into the sun.

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:53 pm Seanzie, Lily, Porscha always town never rescind

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:28 pm so, here's my proposed voting order for LYLO tomorrow:

i want lilypetal to vote first. this is because i think she is outed mafia after how yesterday played outed and i don't want her to get away with parking her vote until the last minute. she should be the first vote.

i want rondo to make the second vote. this is because he is a wildcard and (respectfully) if he's town, i would rather that he votes in reaction to liyl's vote instead of voting randomly/having the choice fully to himself

i want arogame to be the third vote. this is because he is my strongest townread in the game and i trust him to make a difficult/hard decisions and behave well under pressure.

i want seanzie to be the fourth vote bcuz i don't trust him and think he might be mafia

i want nanook and porscha to be the fifth and sixth votes. this is because i think both of them are likely to be town and i think it would be for the best if they each got to make the final decision

once i flip today, please follow this order. obviously, one of the ppl in this list is gonna die tonight, so just follow the order while removing whichever person died

how am i outed mafia lol

but we'll see ig

im p sure the other wolf is outed too tbh