The Syndicate

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:49 pm Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Thing is that I think Val's posting is towny
Considering a lot of town roles have been incredibly scum-sided so far i would not pin an alignment on it
But it does make me wonder what the counter to it is, for balance

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:50 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:49 pm Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Keen for ppl in my 5 person town core to agree or disagree tbh would be nice to lock in for now

I believe you
I believe Colin
I think I believe Val
I am fairly confident Sabi is town
I feel OK about IBA
I want Rask out as soon as he's uncommuted tbh
I think Snow seems OK too

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:53 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:50 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:49 pm Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Thing is that I think Val's posting is towny
Considering a lot of town roles have been incredibly scum-sided so far i would not pin an alignment on it
But it does make me wonder what the counter to it is, for balance

Yh n iba claimig vote manipulation alll a bit weird

Dont hate IBAs theory could just close my eyes and agree with it much as its weird.

My issie with colin being creature is its all a tad slippery

No i think that creature thing was my mistake
I told it to Sabi in our chat and that's why they mentioned it, we both wanted to go after him
But it seems like I misremembered what he said, and Colin had claimed nothing of the sort, BUT I SWEAR someone else did. I just haven't found it and it's bugging me.

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:55 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:52 pm i truly just don't understand what's going on so i'm trying to be as clear as i can about what i do dkjfgndfk
this game is not the experience i Believed It Would Be and my brain is not built to deknot weird night interactions and seeing stuff and what they mean

Depressingly starting to think Val is actually town cuz lol same

Even if we assume 1-2 lying scum in the mix this is a metric fuckton of mechanics for a game where a third of the players died before day 2, and scum lies are probably half-truths anyway

Well that's why I weighed in and said who I believed, not specifically that I am confident they're town

Ok I'm gonna pass out now
Will try to sort things out more with fresh eyes I guess
And hopefully Chelsea will appear

Quas is town

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:12 am Quas is town

At least I think so rn

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:15 am

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:13 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:55 am [8] Guillotine: Schiavetto, Sabiplz, Valentine, LordQuas, Manny, Chelsea, Le petit poussin, nutella
[3] Cape90: risiinq-, Creature, WindwardAway
[3] Creature: Mungbean, DeeZees, falcon45ca
[2] Valentine: IBA, ColinIsCool
[1] Chelsea: Guillotine
[1] DeeZees: DaughterOfOmega
[1] Le petit poussin: TheFloyd73
[1] LordQuas: Inawordyes
[1] Mungbean: Cape90


I dont think creature is town.

Creature and two of my town on cape weakens my read on snow. Wind is lock town. Kinda strange how cape wagon like peaked at 4(?)

Im still convinced creature was a wolf fwiw. May be my undoing. But 2 town on him- and- mungbean. I have legacy TR on him keen to explore.

Valentine was left with a stubborn IBA and colin. We dont talk about coooolin (to that tiktok song about nuno.) But iba i think was wrong here and valentine kinda crashed and burned. I think Nut had a theory on val im gunna go read up again. Overall again weakens strong TR i had but not by much

Doom and IAWY remaineders. I thibk IAWY still suss to me. Doom dunno what shes up to, one for resolution at some point

creature is dead

unless you mean the inheritor b/c of the way that works

in which case i probably agree

I do yh

I think creatures inheritor is a wolf.

I think rask is/was a wolf. Think that bus likely

I think mungbean _might_ be town

This is more or less where I'm at too
Plus I think the second (third?) vote canceller is probably also wolf

I remember I made a mental note on D1 that I didn't think Creature looked quite as bad as everyone said, but he didn't look good either, and that Poussin was doing a weird soft defense of him.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:21 am

Spoiler: show

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:28 pm Doesn't feel v comfy on Val, hopping over to Deez & calling it an afternoon

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:36 pm it's true i'm wifoming and i'll say it !!!

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:39 pm [VOTE: deezees] aubergine

Smiley face (I have multiple intentions voting this smiles)

(I think i'm currently fine with everyone voting this even sabi whose emotions seem a lot townier today. like the absolute irritation at everything going on lol. i don't think that their insistence on stopping the drunkposting discourse is +town though fwiw. that's the kind of thing that wolves like to step in on to seem reasonable.)

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:47 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:46 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:45 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:42 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:39 pm [VOTE: deezees] aubergine

Smiley face (I have multiple intentions voting this smiles)

(I think i'm currently fine with everyone voting this even sabi whose emotions seem a lot townier today. like the absolute irritation at everything going on lol. i don't think that their insistence on stopping the drunkposting discourse is +town though fwiw. that's the kind of thing that wolves like to step in on to seem reasonable.)

What about me is wolfy @Valentine

I also went and read why I town read people which @Schiavetto wolf read me for and I think they are a mix of fly by one liners or town reads following iso's so im not particularly happy at them being described as bad

@ me in an hour if you're still around and i'll explain this prommy
(i'm going to be around but i want to let this sit for a bit and then i give u answer)

Lol that doesnt sound like you actually scim read me

YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT OUTLOUD -_-

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:49 pm i wanted to GIVE MY VOTE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND IF PEOPLE WOULD TRAIL ON
being proactive is a curse this is why i never try

anyways whatever i said about creature is out the window because everyone's like "oh but what if creature" but where's the drive to manifest it. he's not like doing anything.

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:49 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:55 pm I am townreading Falcon rn

I could kill Valentine atm

I don't have an impression on Creature and suspect their posts and this wagon are in the parts of the thread I skimmed/skipped, and would prefer not to do more work if I can avoid it so

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:56 pm [performative]Vote: Valentine[/performative]

Mungbean wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:58 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:52 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:49 pm wanted to GIVE MY VOTE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND IF PEOPLE WOULD TRAIL ON
being proactive is a curse this is why i never try

anyways whatever i said about creature is out the window because everyone's like "oh but what if creature" but where's the drive to manifest it. he's not like doing anything.

damn this posts actually howls hard as fuck, you should've posted this before tr'd you smh.

Tend to agree, which isn't emboldening me to vote Creature.

Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:59 pm Everyone being like "ahhh noooo" when i vote creature is literally like . the funniest thing
Do u think i am bussing
is creature actually town

DO u think all of the people who have been hand wringing about the slot are town. are the other people voting him all town too?

Valentine is town. Shes been telegraphing her role for ages. i just think the way this is played out shes really going for the subtle but mildly outting potentislly lunch inducing long gsme to become mildly role clesred if wolf. Shes almost definitely town.

Schia hops on to me- which i thinks bad given guillo/cresture viaboe wagons im not, but, need creatures flip. I think my bigger issue is i think schias wolf read on me is made up.

She never explains it. In these quotes its like thr 4th time i ask her and she waits toll eod then just rrfuses to explain as she drops a vote on guillo.

I think shes a wolf

I've been having doubts today on schia but I can't tell if it's just recency bias

I thought she was OK D1 when I realtimed with her

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:27 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:25 am I thought she was OK D1 when I realtimed with her

My ccase is she sussd me for unexplained and avoided reasons + awks presence

Have a look at me v her

Will do, thanks

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:55 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:54 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:53 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:52 am Just off tube

I think quas is also towny for avoiding mech in his solve

I thunk wolves dent to look at mech as clearing regardless because they know it is. I think me n wind should be most clear in game from it and wolves would just be like lol town
But quas treats us same as everyone in his read list. My read list analysis on cape was whack so dont take this is as gospel but i think its further evidence quas is towny

More town points

Lol

I hope you are lolling at my obsessuon and not my solve

Partly both I think Wind is hard wolfing up the thread tbh.

Why the hell do you think that

I swear every time I talk about mech in a game I'm RIGHT and I'm also scumread smh

Ngl I want to vote Chelsea now and it's probably just the OMGUS talking but also I find her reaction to stuff very underwhelming

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:59 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:58 am Ngl I want to vote Chelsea now and it's probably just the OMGUS talking but also I find her reaction to stuff very underwhelming

Then vote me nothing is stopping you don't go "omg I want to vote you" V O T E M E B)

You're annoying.

[VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

I would probably rather vote Rachel out first, but you asked for it

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:58 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:56 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:55 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:54 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:53 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:52 am Just off tube

I think quas is also towny for avoiding mech in his solve

I thunk wolves dent to look at mech as clearing regardless because they know it is. I think me n wind should be most clear in game from it and wolves would just be like lol town
But quas treats us same as everyone in his read list. My read list analysis on cape was whack so dont take this is as gospel but i think its further evidence quas is towny

More town points

Lol

I hope you are lolling at my obsessuon and not my solve

Partly both I think Wind is hard wolfing up the thread tbh.

Why the hell do you think that

Clicks tongue. Vibes? Well, kinda vibes. I think the way you've come into the thread today along with IWAY are the greatest offenders it feels like two entirely new people with agendas came in swinging. IWAY I get is POE and was prob a big target soon but you I was already semi wolf-reading.

I think you missed the part where people have started thinking IAWY is townier today
I mean, yeah, he's hard pushing you so regardless of your alignment I can see why you'd push him back
But I don't think he's as big of a target now as he mightve been earlier
Also, why exactly are you scumreading me? Vibes isn't really a great answer. Either you think I'm lying about mech, or you think I'm telling the truth but I'm wolfing and spewing info for no goddamn reason, or you are actually wolfing and you want me out of the game because you know I'm right.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 am Who tf is rachel

DoOm, sorry

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:04 am Oh ew that came off a bit more snappy then I thought it would hang on let me go like, make some cookies and come back because the fact I am even in the conversation threw me for a loop. Please leave your questions here.

1. Were you joking about something bad happening if you vote, or were you serious?
2. Did you get cop results? I wasn't going to ask for this but DZ already did so I'm just repeating the question since it's out of the bag.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:16 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:58 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:56 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:55 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:54 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:53 am Lol

I hope you are lolling at my obsessuon and not my solve

Partly both I think Wind is hard wolfing up the thread tbh.

Why the hell do you think that

Clicks tongue. Vibes? Well, kinda vibes. I think the way you've come into the thread today along with IWAY are the greatest offenders it feels like two entirely new people with agendas came in swinging. IWAY I get is POE and was prob a big target soon but you I was already semi wolf-reading.

I think you missed the part where people have started thinking IAWY is townier today
I mean, yeah, he's hard pushing you so regardless of your alignment I can see why you'd push him back
But I don't think he's as big of a target now as he mightve been earlier
Also, why exactly are you scumreading me? Vibes isn't really a great answer. Either you think I'm lying about mech, or you think I'm telling the truth but I'm wolfing and spewing info for no goddamn reason, or you are actually wolfing and you want me out of the game because you know I'm right.

I don't think IAWY's push on me is townie because it's me he's pushing and I don't mean that in a "well I know I'm a villager" kind of way, I expect to be pushed it's kinda how my entire meta is I don't just wolfread people based on that, it's because how he's taking my interactions with Gulio. Like, if I'm a wolf, I'm gonna get the most cred from bussing and starting the fire that got Gulio exe'd not go "Whoa guys should we vote this guy idk" and put a silent vote on. That's the dumbest mafia play in history and IAWY knows I would never tackle that angle. It's wolfy as hell.

As for you, I get that you're spewing out roles, that much I understand but why exactly do you think that warrants a townread for you outting a ton of roles in the thread? Did I miss something else grand that should make me go "Yeah Wind is lock town" because I don't see that at first glance.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:06 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:04 am Oh ew that came off a bit more snappy then I thought it would hang on let me go like, make some cookies and come back because the fact I am even in the conversation threw me for a loop. Please leave your questions here.

1. Were you joking about something bad happening if you vote, or were you serious?
2. Did you get cop results? I wasn't going to ask for this but DZ already did so I'm just repeating the question since it's out of the bag.

1) I was joking, I was simply told I can't vote I don't know what would happen if I tried
2) No results here. I was talking to Colin about the theory Nutella could've picked me as a target or if it was Colin as the target but I still don't get it because why am I in a hood with the 3p but maybe that's why my vote was stoped? Eh, it confused me last night confuses me now.

Ok
The IAWY thing I'm willing to hear out, but I don't get what all of this is about a silent vote? Did you have an active vote on Guillo that day or was there some sort of mistake in the vote count? I don't really understand what happened.

Regarding the role thing, no, I don't think my role or mech or whatever merits an instant townread. But if you scumread me then you scumread DZ by proxy because he confirmed what I already knew. Our results go hand-in-hand together, and yet I'm seeing you scumread me and you haven't been completely clear about your read on DZ. And for that matter, do you really think two wolves are gonna barge into the thread and go "ah yes let's claim watcher and voyeur on the player who died to the scum kill in an effort to clear ourselves"?? Like I know I'm a risktaker but that's pure stupidity even for me.
I do admit to completely fucking up the whole Colin-turned-into-Creature theory because I am blatantly wrong and I'm not sure where I saw what I thought I saw, though, so if you think I was trying to agenda out the openly claiming 3p then tbh it's understandable.

At least we have the vote canceller thing somewhat confirmed, if only because I think that's also something that would be dumb to lie about since it can easily be proven.

Vote canceller has nothing to do with Colin because I saw it as a separate visit, and I saw a neighborizer on you (assuming you were my target since you're confirming the vote cancel). If my info is correct, Colin got redirected to you again. If any OTHER neighborizer visited you, then my theory may be wrong, and I'd suggest you claim it now (you don't have to say who, just if there was another neighborizer specifically on N2 who visited you).

I don't get whatever the hell happened to the proxy cop, though

I don't even want the proxy cop to out themselves but idk if I believe that there was no result
Because whoever the vote canceller visited, the proxy cop also visited. So if you're claiming to be vote cancelled, you should've gotten cop results.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:27 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:16 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:58 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:56 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:55 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:54 am

I hope you are lolling at my obsessuon and not my solve

Partly both I think Wind is hard wolfing up the thread tbh.

Why the hell do you think that

Clicks tongue. Vibes? Well, kinda vibes. I think the way you've come into the thread today along with IWAY are the greatest offenders it feels like two entirely new people with agendas came in swinging. IWAY I get is POE and was prob a big target soon but you I was already semi wolf-reading.

I think you missed the part where people have started thinking IAWY is townier today
I mean, yeah, he's hard pushing you so regardless of your alignment I can see why you'd push him back
But I don't think he's as big of a target now as he mightve been earlier
Also, why exactly are you scumreading me? Vibes isn't really a great answer. Either you think I'm lying about mech, or you think I'm telling the truth but I'm wolfing and spewing info for no goddamn reason, or you are actually wolfing and you want me out of the game because you know I'm right.

I don't think IAWY's push on me is townie because it's me he's pushing and I don't mean that in a "well I know I'm a villager" kind of way, I expect to be pushed it's kinda how my entire meta is I don't just wolfread people based on that, it's because how he's taking my interactions with Gulio. Like, if I'm a wolf, I'm gonna get the most cred from bussing and starting the fire that got Gulio exe'd not go "Whoa guys should we vote this guy idk" and put a silent vote on. That's the dumbest mafia play in history and IAWY knows I would never tackle that angle. It's wolfy as hell.

As for you, I get that you're spewing out roles, that much I understand but why exactly do you think that warrants a townread for you outting a ton of roles in the thread? Did I miss something else grand that should make me go "Yeah Wind is lock town" because I don't see that at first glance.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:06 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:04 am Oh ew that came off a bit more snappy then I thought it would hang on let me go like, make some cookies and come back because the fact I am even in the conversation threw me for a loop. Please leave your questions here.

1. Were you joking about something bad happening if you vote, or were you serious?
2. Did you get cop results? I wasn't going to ask for this but DZ already did so I'm just repeating the question since it's out of the bag.

1) I was joking, I was simply told I can't vote I don't know what would happen if I tried
2) No results here. I was talking to Colin about the theory Nutella could've picked me as a target or if it was Colin as the target but I still don't get it because why am I in a hood with the 3p but maybe that's why my vote was stoped? Eh, it confused me last night confuses me now.

Having read guillo spew i think its kinda weird he voted you > cape and then wolves ddidnt pile

Its not like he dipped on a wagon or on a viable candidate.

So thats giving me pause on clearing you, but, the way he pushed you + your absence of notable push back does have me town leaning you but i will read the quas/iawy case again.

I do know quas "caught" guillo because of push on you

DZ, give me a sanity check, did you see 6 names last night if you include yourself?

I'm trying to get to the bottom of this because I want people's thoughts on stuff
I'm sorry if I'm making things unnecessarily confusing but believe me, it is at least helping me to see who's solving

(also if I seem kind of like I'm in a rush to solve this, it's because as I said before, I'll be gone for the latter half of the irl day because I'm out all night probably getting drunk)

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:36 am I saw 5 not myself.

I know between two ppl who the proxy voter is and who the vote canceller is

OK then yeah, I'm gonna assume Colin is the neighborizer in that case because it would mean there was only one, and he claims to have targeted nutella like you and I did, so he had to have been redirected to the same target

That's mainly what I wanted a headcount for

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:38 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:26 am Regarding the role thing, no, I don't think my role or mech or whatever merits an instant townread. But if you scumread me then you scumread DZ by proxy because he confirmed what I already knew. Our results go hand-in-hand together, and yet I'm seeing you scumread me and you haven't been completely clear about your read on DZ. And for that matter, do you really think two wolves are gonna barge into the thread and go "ah yes let's claim watcher and voyeur on the player who died to the scum kill in an effort to clear ourselves"?? Like I know I'm a risktaker but that's pure stupidity even for me.

I have DZ as a villager, the problem is I don't see why your role can't be wolf. Like, you're trying to build this worldview that you doing these actions is insane and no scum would take this (and I'm not mocking that because I'm kinda in the same boat) but I'm not seeing the exact reason why? Spell it out for me.

Oh it's not insane at all, I've seen a wolf voyeur
But DZ knows the info that completes what I've said, so why would I start trying to get one of my teammates lunched right away?
If I assume you're town, then I don't believe the vote canceller was town and targeted you. And if the vote canceller is scum, they would not target nutella because scum cancelling nutella's vote is a waste when they're killing her anyway. And I know I saw a vote canceller but NOT a kill, meaning that I had to have been redirected off nutella, nutella ate the kill, and you did not, but the rest of us dogpiled onto you as a result. Meaning the proxy cop probably wanted to pass results to nutella, the vote canceller probably only meant to cancel you, and the watcher/neighborizer/voyeur all bounced off of nutella and onto you along with the proxy cop. (and yes, maybe the proxy cop targeted you directly, idk, but also idk why you didn't see any results)

...this didn't actually answer your question, did it
My point is just, this mech kerfuffle is too much for me to be making up, so even if you think I'm wolfing you also have to assume I must be telling the truth to an extent about my info
And as a wolf I would simply not claim. DZ outed as a watcher before I outed as voyeur. I couldve kept my mouth shut. Why put myself in the spotlight unnecessarily?

My point is, I see actions and DZ sees names, so DZ now knows which players can be which roles. I outed my info because I trusted him, even before he outed as watcher, and I thought it would be advantageous for him specifically to be able to piece this together.

Ngl IAWY is my prime suspect for vote cancelling Chelsea but I don't really know if that tells us anything

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:47 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:43 am ...this didn't actually answer your question, did it
My point is just, this mech kerfuffle is too much for me to be making up, so even if you think I'm wolfing you also have to assume I must be telling the truth to an extent about my info
And as a wolf I would simply not claim. DZ outed as a watcher before I outed as voyeur. I couldve kept my mouth shut. Why put myself in the spotlight unnecessarily?

Let me answer this first:

I believe wolves one of their biggest boons is that villagers tend to think in a very black and white matter in a "X is townie" "Y is wolfy" sort of action. Yes, you're outting a ton of information, and I wouldn't be surprised if most if it was true. Maybe all of it, but it can simply be you taking off a name. If, this information nets us a wolf like we're basically alluding to? Of course I'll put that in the town bin save it for later but right now I'm seeing what you're claiming to do and I'm like "okay what's the issue?"

If I'm gonna find you, it probably won't be with all this mech soup.

All right, that's fair tbh. Personally I don't think I've been socially wolfy but that's just because I know my own meta lol
And I don't think I'm *out* of my social wolf range, either, so I'll just let everyone else determine that

Back to the IAWY topic, I've never seen him wolf but it felt like at least today he seemed like he believed in his push on you
But I'm missing context because I haven't read his D1 posts, either, nor yours, so I should probably do that when I get the time. Because if you're town, then I'd be willing to listen to your case on IAWY and read both of you to see what I can come up with.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:49 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:42 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:38 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:26 am Regarding the role thing, no, I don't think my role or mech or whatever merits an instant townread. But if you scumread me then you scumread DZ by proxy because he confirmed what I already knew. Our results go hand-in-hand together, and yet I'm seeing you scumread me and you haven't been completely clear about your read on DZ. And for that matter, do you really think two wolves are gonna barge into the thread and go "ah yes let's claim watcher and voyeur on the player who died to the scum kill in an effort to clear ourselves"?? Like I know I'm a risktaker but that's pure stupidity even for me.

I have DZ as a villager, the problem is I don't see why your role can't be wolf. Like, you're trying to build this worldview that you doing these actions is insane and no scum would take this (and I'm not mocking that because I'm kinda in the same boat) but I'm not seeing the exact reason why? Spell it out for me.

Oh it's not insane at all, I've seen a wolf voyeur
But DZ knows the info that completes what I've said, so why would I start trying to get one of my teammates lunched right away?
If I assume you're town, then I don't believe the vote canceller was town and targeted you. And if the vote canceller is scum, they would not target nutella because scum cancelling nutella's vote is a waste when they're killing her anyway. And I know I saw a vote canceller but NOT a kill, meaning that I had to have been redirected off nutella, nutella ate the kill, and you did not, but the rest of us dogpiled onto you as a result. Meaning the proxy cop probably wanted to pass results to nutella, the vote canceller probably only meant to cancel you, and the watcher/neighborizer/voyeur all bounced off of nutella and onto you along with the proxy cop. (and yes, maybe the proxy cop targeted you directly, idk, but also idk why you didn't see any results)

I don't know why Nutella would even use their role on me given they had TR me before, is it confirmed that it's me the role got put on? I suppose that would explain why I randomly got a hood with the 3P 2 nights in a row if Colin was trying to neighborhood Nutella N1 and N2 and it hit me. So yeah, I guess as I'm typing this it does confirm that. I don't know what the proxy cop does, but I've asked like 3 times and I have no result so I'm confused on that angle.

Idk why Nutella would target you for two nights, either. I know others were discussing this, too, and unfortunately nutella isn't around to ask lol. It's not confirmed that nutella targeted you, but considering I saw a neighborizer and a nexus twice, I believe the neighborizer to be Colin and the nexus to be nutella, which lines up with what Colin has claimed and what DZ saw.

Proxy cop usually picks a target to investigate and then picks another player to send results to.
I *think*, now that I'm trying to work this out, maybe I was wrong and you didn't get sent results. You could've been the investigation target, in which case someone is sitting around with results on your alignment, and then nutella was probably not the intended target either (meaning, the proxy cop would've targeted you directly).
Idk though, I just assumed the proxy cop was an alignment cop but maybe it's some other type of cop. We had a proxy cop flip already and idr the details but wasn't it an alignment cop?
Tbh this shit is why I threw the idea of a delayer role out there, since a proxy cop flipped on N1, and some other weird stuff, but I think maybe I was going down a rabbit hole and it's complicated, but not quite that bad.

[VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine

I'm still mulling this over but I've cooled down a fair bit
Also Sabi seemed very confident that Chelsea is town, and I townread Sabi

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:13 pm pyxxy has died. pyxxy was...

Spoiler: show

The Less I Know the Better - Tame Impala - Currents

Spoiler: show

Someone said they left together
I ran out the door to get her
She was holding hands with Trevor
Not the greatest feeling ever
Said, "Pull yourself together
You should try your luck with Heather"
Then I heard they slept together
Oh, the less I know the better
The less I know the better

Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2.

Town

OK this was a proxy cop
I was checking to see if I understood correctly how the targeting works
If there's a second proxy cop then it could work slightly differently, like if it sends results to a random target or something, but for now I'm gonna assume that proxy cops in this game should be able to pick their own targets.
This does mean that whoever the proxy cop was, though, they weren't an alignment cop, so it's actually not as clearing of a role as I was thinking it would be.
I don't think I've ever seen a scum proxy cop but any cop that isn't a flipped town alignment cop is not guaranteed to be town what if this proxy cop is a rolecop? And what if they were trying to fish for info on nutella or Chelsea? Again I don't think scum would rolecop their own kill target, and we know nutella could only die to a mafia kill, so it probably wasn't a scum rolecop on nutella, nor any kind of scum cop trying to send results to nutella.

Idk how many other types of cops we could have
Parity cop is similar to alignment cop and I kind of doubt it would have a proxy modifier
Also I should keep my thoughts to myself and shut up instead of publicly speculating and thought vomiting

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:13 am btw since creature was p strongly wolfread throughout d1 and he was apparently doppelgangered my immediate thought is the 3p who did that is someone who wants to be wolf -> strong enough/active enough to be

like this is regardless of creature's role

Yeah, hence my question earlier in the thread, who the hell would yoink Creature's role? Either they really strongly believed the self-resolving claim, or they just really wanted to be scum for some unknown reason.

@LordQuas i hate to ask this, but did you target nutella on N1?

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:23 am I think there's almost certainly at least 1 wolf on that Guillo wagon, but the decision to bus the Godfather can't have been taken lightly so I'm looking more at people who hopped on the wagon late.

I still think it's poussin

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:26 am Guillotine
8
24%
Voters: Schiavetto, Sabiplz, Valentine, LordQuas, Manny, Chelsea, Le petit poussin, nutella

- - -
(cped this during night)

flipped town are manny and nutella

i townread sabi rn

if finding busers i gotta stratify [schia, valentine, quas, chelsea, petit]

fwiw yes, i am restarting my reads

rn its looking kinda bad and ngl i was still wolfreading cape in night till the flip

Lol I was also scumreading Cape till he flipped
Glad I didn't waste time isoing him

I think Chelsea has held up pretty well in her interaction with me fwiw
Meaning I'm more partial to looking at iawy instead

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:28 am anyone please sell me on any rly strong townreads yall have and ill consider it

I have DZ and Sabi as my strongest townreads rn
I am also fairly confident on Quas being town but tbh it depends a bit on how he answers my question

I was townreading Chelsea during the night but iawy gave me pause today
Now I'm back to thinking I was on the right track during the night

What's iawy's reputation as scum? Is he good at avoiding being voted out?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:33 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:31 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:28 am anyone please sell me on any rly strong townreads yall have and ill consider it

I have DZ and Sabi as my strongest townreads rn
I am also fairly confident on Quas being town but tbh it depends a bit on how he answers my question

yeah, i def agree with dz and sabi

i was feeling p good about quas but i'm getting some cold feet

during night i acgtually iso'ed schia and felt better abt them but idk

starting again

Yeah I thought schia was towny on D1 and I can't tell if it's recency bias or the Guillo votes that are making me doubt them

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:33 am Catchig up


Wind im confused by proxy cop apparnetly being twice in game

Yeah that's what I'm trying to figure out
There is a possible explanation I can think of, but it doesn't work on N2 because pyxxy died on N1 and I know I saw a proxy cop last night, not N1

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:34 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:33 am What's iawy's reputation as scum? Is he good at avoiding being voted out?

yeah, he is

i can send you a wolfgame of his if ur interested that i played in

Sure, I'll give it a skim.
Reason I was asking is because I was wondering if he's the one who yoinked Creature's rolecard.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:36 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:33 am What's iawy's reputation as scum? Is he good at avoiding being voted out?

Really good

I remember everyone commenting on how ridiculous it was that we misvoted him D1 in champs quals so I kind of suspected he must be hard to vote out in general lol

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:38 am this yoinking creature rolecard thing is going to get so confusing esp if creature is wolf

everyone thinks creature is wolf right

I didn't necessarily on D1, although his random claim of self-resolving was very similar to what I saw him do in a wolf game

But the fact that the role stealer has not claimed any results or whatever the self-resolve was supposed to be, kind of cements the idea that it must not actually be town.

And I only say that I was uncertain on creature because I had iso'd him and saw literally nothing useful in there

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:41 am esp if they actually *are* self-resolving

Yeah
Which is kind of why I feel like I should throw the notion that they yoinked creature in order to self-resolve, out the window
I mean, they could've done that and been so disappointed in getting a scum role that they decided to shut up instead of putting themselves in hot water
But I think you have a good chance of being right, that it's someone who wanted to be on the scumteam