The Syndicate

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:40 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ch-Hunt-II

this is the game i was in

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6255110

iso him from here to see his wolf form the most significantly

OK I see what you mean lol
Man, I'm shit at social reads and that's why i was dumb enough to sign up for role madness

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:46 am btw, wind, why vote daughter

I think she's scum or non-town
None of her reads have made sense to me
And she pushed me on D1, seemed to suddenly forget she was doing that and stuck me once in a town list iirc, and then said toward EoD that nobody should be townreading me
Her progression is completely nonexistent and now she's claiming compulsive slank vig who kills pretty much only town as a result
We don't have any reason to keep her in the game, she's probably a serial killer or something
Also poussin is commuted out so I just assumed I can't vote there, but I think he's actual scum, on the scumteam.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:44 am if we're searching for the yoinked-creature-wolf then we're going to have to ignore some d1 stuff where the player is completely neutral and has no tmi

That's kinda why I think it could be iawy
Wasn't he sort of underwhelming on d1

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:49 am W/R/T the whole search for Creature's abductor conundrum:

How do we know they didn't die in the last two night phases? Is it confirmed that they're still alive somehow?

If they did, they were a self-resolving town role
Who for whatever reason truly believed Creature's claim

Btw, did anyone successfully neighborize a player who died the same night? I assume neighborizer processes at end of day or start of night but I want to be sure. Also, if anyone has a readlist from a dead player it would maybe be useful.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:53 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:49 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:44 am if we're searching for the yoinked-creature-wolf then we're going to have to ignore some d1 stuff where the player is completely neutral and has no tmi

That's kinda why I think it could be iawy
Wasn't he sort of underwhelming on d1

he hasn't gotten better d3 which is what should happen tho?

granted it's only 12 hours in, but still

I thought at least he looked like he was putting effort into the Chelsea case
Problem is, it's JUST the Chelsea case

@ColinIsCool is Chelsea the only player you successfully neighborized?

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:07 am So the case against Valentine from my perspective boils down to:

1) Late vote for Guillo when they were all-but-confirmed as the lynch candidate for that day.

2) A role-claim of vote-canceller. Clearly this is not AI, but it's definitely an ability that a wolf team could possess.

3) A bunch of posts just saying players are town. Granted, I haven't played mafia in years but this was always a scum-tell of my own back in the day. Scattershot town-reads are easier than, y'know, any kind of scumhunting.

Does #2 change at all if there's more than one vote cancelling role in the game?

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:12 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:49 amAlso poussin is commuted out so I just assumed I can't vote there, but I think he's actual scum, on the scumteam.

Is this the case (that we can't vote for them)?

Idk, some of us are assuming so. I don't want to waste my vote on an unvotable target so that's pretty much the only reason I'm not voting there.

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:14 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:08 am

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:07 am So the case against Valentine from my perspective boils down to:

1) Late vote for Guillo when they were all-but-confirmed as the lynch candidate for that day.

2) A role-claim of vote-canceller. Clearly this is not AI, but it's definitely an ability that a wolf team could possess.

3) A bunch of posts just saying players are town. Granted, I haven't played mafia in years but this was always a scum-tell of my own back in the day. Scattershot town-reads are easier than, y'know, any kind of scumhunting.

Does #2 change at all if there's more than one vote cancelling role in the game?

The existence of two vote-cancelling roles would just lead me to believe that one is definitely wolf. I can't see why there'd be two for town. So no it doesn't really change anything as the odds of Valentine's role being wolfy would remain at 50%.

Yeah
The thing is that one seems to be a day ability and the other seems to be night
Unless something happened to delay Valentine into a completely different phase, but I don't believe that's the case?
Valentine's is a day ability so it's kinda public and kinda more obvious than the night ability, whom I saw last night but who hasn't claimed publicly.
Of course there's a chance Val is lying about how their role works, but Colin confirmed to some extent, and although he's a 3p I don't think he gains any advantage by lying about it either.

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:21 am Regarding ColinIsCool:

I think their role is likely to be legit. If the game started with three 3P players then I think it's fair to assume that at least one of those was non-fatal/not anti-town. They claimed their role early. It doesn't seem an unreasonable claim (even though I maintain that the wincon seems hard to obtain). Crucially, they were also to prove their role function by neighbouring with Chelsea.

I'm more suspicious of those getting pitchforks out for Colin because he makes for an easy lynch target at this stage of the game. No need to scumhunt, just push a lynch of the 3P.

There's also DoOm who has put Colin in her townreads for whatever unfathomable reason

I also believe Colin
His claim matches with the info I have, and what DZ has

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:32 am Tbf, even if we are I'm not sure how comfortable I'd feel voting for someone who can't defend themselves. :/

Yeah, that is also a concern
Like I think by PoE and mech he's probably scum anyway, but it's not good to make a mistake at this point

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:42 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:44 pm Colin can die. Outted 3p dies for parity sake

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:48 pm Just kill Colin, a confirmed non town player

This was the kind of lazy 3P pitchfork-wielding I was looking for. I don't think it's a good look.

Tbf Sabi thought Colin stole Creature's role which was entirely my fault for getting it wrong

Yeah but we really need a scum flip today
And if we flip a 3p I would vastly prefer flipping a serial killer and not someone with an independent, non-killing wincon

I think Sabi is town as I said before and I'm not moving my stance
I also thing Mung is town, but not as clear as Sabi

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:53 am I think Sabi is town as I said before and I'm not moving my stance
I also thing Mung is town, but not as clear as Sabi

*think

Ok so what are we doing about poussin? We can just go for it and vote him, but if he flips town by any chance, it's gonna be a mess

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:01 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:56 am Ok so what are we doing about poussin? We can just go for it and vote him, but if he flips town by any chance, it's gonna be a mess

I really don't like voting for somebody who has no right of reply. But for that, they would be my vote.

OK, if we wait another day for poussin to have a chance to speak, who would you rather vote for at the moment?

I am very confident Sabi is town and it has nothing to do with clearing them off the Guillo stuff.

Also, the walrus reveal was the live reveal of the song contest (walrus) results from D1.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:55 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:53 am I think Sabi is town as I said before and I'm not moving my stance
I also thing Mung is town, but not as clear as Sabi

*think

can u explain this?

About Mung or Sabi? Both reads are based on their content in the thread but I'm starting to have doubts on Mung because I don't understand their Sabi read.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:23 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:45 am Ngl IAWY is my prime suspect for vote cancelling Chelsea but I don't really know if that tells us anything

I didn’t have an action last night

Hmm, ok

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:27 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:33 am What's iawy's reputation as scum? Is he good at avoiding being voted out?

If I can survive D1, I become extremely scary and have a lot of staying power. I would like to say my reputation is good, but I can’t speak for what other people think of me

I can link to recent mafia games on MU if you’d like

I already skimmed one of your maf games on MU
maybe I should be looking at other examples but at least that gave me a rough idea of what your wolfgame looks like

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:43 am @DaughterOfOmega Can you clarify with the mods if your role would include Le petit poussin for this day phase? I would assume not, but it would solve a big problem if it did.

I'm also interested in hearing the answer for this
But ngl I don't like the idea of DoOm possibly using it as an excuse to stay alive for longer
If her role can kill poussin, then it's only useful to us to keep around if actions like commuting literally prevent scum from posting
So she could very well just say her role kills him even if it doesn't actually

Also, that still doesn't solve the issue of killing someone before they've had a chance to speak
And I thought that was the one reason you didn't like the idea of voting out poussin today
But you're fine with letting him eat the kill from the compulsive slank vig of questionable alignment?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:23 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:16 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:55 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:53 am I think Sabi is town as I said before and I'm not moving my stance
I also thing Mung is town, but not as clear as Sabi

*think

can u explain this?

About Mung or Sabi? Both reads are based on their content in the thread but I'm starting to have doubts on Mung because I don't understand their Sabi read.

yeah, mung

Mainly that I thought they looked like they were solving on D1
I thought they started off OK today but I really don't buy that Sabi is scum at all, so that's a bit off

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:19 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:51 am Mungbean pushing me is pretty opportunistic

Nah it’s dumb but towny levels of paranoid imo. I like his posts today

Chelsea I’m finally getting a vibe from but the vibes are bad

Risinq continues to feel like an empty presence

Still on phone tho

Also good morning y’all

What do you think of Chelsea's reads today?

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:36 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:22 am Also, that still doesn't solve the issue of killing someone before they've had a chance to speak
And I thought that was the one reason you didn't like the idea of voting out poussin today
But you're fine with letting him eat the kill from the compulsive slank vig of questionable alignment?

I would be more amenable to them dying under those circumstances as we would still have the opportunity to lynch somebody else + the low-volume poster dying would be less of a random affair. I get the sense a scum team could ensure their post count is up to snuff by encouraging/reminding each other whereas a townie is more likely to forget.

The thing I go back to with Daughter is... why claim in-thread if they're a 3P? Why not just sit back and coast?

It was pretty obvious there is a slank vig and the longer they stay hidden the more sus they look

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:43 am Oh hey there’s my cop result.

Oh lmao, that's good to know

Idk why outing the result would be such a bad thing, considering it's not like we even know who the cop checked in the first place, but whatever

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:21 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:12 pm @Chelsea i know who results you got of.

Can you just share town or mafia

It would be greatly appreciated

I already shared my result in my hood if anything happens to me. I don’t think there’s a point in sharing the result this early in the phase.

Ah ok

I'm gonna disappear soon FYI, probably won't catch up until second half of the day

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:22 pm Idk why outing the result would be such a bad thing, considering it's not like we even know who the cop checked in the first place, but whatever

It’s not a bad thing, but it still lets me watch people make pushes and makes mafia have to post. Unless you can tell me a strict downside on why I need to give it right now and why it matters.

Nah, that makes enough sense to wait on outing results, I was mostly just curious what your reasoning was.

Mungbean wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:54 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:23 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:45 am Ngl IAWY is my prime suspect for vote cancelling Chelsea but I don't really know if that tells us anything

I didn’t have an action last night

@WindwardAway - Why did/do you believe IAWY vote-cancelled Chelsea last night? I agree that would be highly suspect if true.

Only because IAWY came in hard pushing Chelsea today. No other reason.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:20 am @LordQuas i hate to ask this, but did you target nutella on N1?

i targeted nutella with a day action d1 so it shouldn't count as a night action as far as i'm aware

That's all I was wondering, thanks

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:04 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:58 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:52 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:31 pm @IBA if you could claim the 50/50 who has the vote canceller I think that would be good.

Bad news then

?

I am not a vote canceler.

I kind of don't want to say more and regret saying anything at this point cuz I do think Val is probably town, but that's not what my role does.

im confused i thought you said you had watched people and then we knew one was a vote canceler

That was me
I saw a vote canceller on Chelsea
Chelsea claims this is true
Val says their ability is a day ability
And I saw a night ability

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:59 pm Is there any reason I can't just ignore this walrus stuff

Idk, I just saw it and I'm mostly ignoring it

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:08 pm look im really drjnk again

I'm not super drunk now but I need to sleep so I'm probably calling it a night
I'm not dealing with solving until I wake up but I did at least catch up on the thread since when I went afk last, so that's something

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:11 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:59 pm Is there any reason I can't just ignore this walrus stuff

Idk, I just saw it and I'm mostly ignoring it

we re so fuclef n a lt a ppl not applrhyig like it

Oh we're absolutely in hot water
I said this earlier, I thought
Or else I said it in my head , idk

I'm not sure if DoOm is actually a priority vote for today like I think she's probably sk and not town but I can understand the case for her not being scum, I just don't like that she is compulsively killing the lowest poster each day and has no way of holstering because that's incredibly anti-town especially since she outed her role

Ngl I'm fine with a wagon on IAWY at the moment, will think more about that in the morning but I can buy the case on him and I'm less partial to the case on Chelsea unless someone has more condemning evidence

The walrus thing doesn't matter much as far as I can tell because I think the ppl who won it are prob town anyway so whatever, I'd be more concerned if I saw one of my scumreads up there

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 pm @risiinq- @sabie12 @WindwardAway vote schia they wolf I have red check ishb

You saw schia and rask?

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:19 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:18 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 pm @risiinq- @sabie12 @WindwardAway vote schia they wolf I have red check ishb

You saw schia and rask?

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

rask + 1 not schia

I have a social read schia just wolf

I think non rask town thought based on your wee peek?

Rsak, windy, me!!!, nutella, colin + 1 visited our wee Chelsea I think
ghutibvfjms dance

Can you please just out the name we're missing
At this point i would rather know

Idk, if you're saying one of iawy/schia is guaranteed to be wolf then idk why I should be voting schia over iawy

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:22 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:12 pm yo iawy

y u wolf bro

wish I was, would have more fun

vote schia?

I,m 100% sure you or schia is wolf based on mech

i can't be mafia here

How reassuring.

Idk what's going on but id like to go to sleep and figure out whatever the heck DZ is on about later

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:17 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:11 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:59 pm Is there any reason I can't just ignore this walrus stuff

Idk, I just saw it and I'm mostly ignoring it

we re so fuclef n a lt a ppl not applrhyig like it

Oh we're absolutely in hot water
I said this earlier, I thought
Or else I said it in my head , idk

I'm not sure if DoOm is actually a priority vote for today like I think she's probably sk and not town but I can understand the case for her not being scum, I just don't like that she is compulsively killing the lowest poster each day and has no way of holstering because that's incredibly anti-town especially since she outed her role

Ngl I'm fine with a wagon on IAWY at the moment, will think more about that in the morning but I can buy the case on him and I'm less partial to the case on Chelsea unless someone has more condemning evidence

The walrus thing doesn't matter much as far as I can tell because I think the ppl who won it are prob town anyway so whatever, I'd be more concerned if I saw one of my scumreads up there

who has provided a case?

Multiple people, not just chelsea

I need to know the last name in DZ's list because I'm confident he's town but not confident his 50/50 is correct
But I'll deal with it later, before EoD

Good night lol

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:42 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:24 pm Idk, if you're saying one of iawy/schia is guaranteed to be wolf then idk why I should be voting schia over iawy

ill be sober in the morning

to troy and abed in the morning theme

@players I thinnfghuvnbjkf smcdo do I out the other one on top of rask

y'll gotta stop protecting schia

I'm not protecting schia I think they've done basically nothing today that I can remember?? But I don't exactly townread IAWY either, I'm just trying to figure out which one is more sus

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:52 pm Why do we have to ignore the walrus stuff. It was a fun event that the hosts worked hard on running and it's quite rude to ignore.

@Chelsea what door did you pick (don't reveal the prize

Because I was focused on other stuff
I did enjoy the walrus tho and I plan on giving everyone else's submissions a listen out of curiosity

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:29 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:52 pm Why do we have to ignore the walrus stuff. It was a fun event that the hosts worked hard on running and it's quite rude to ignore.

@Chelsea what door did you pick (don't reveal the prize

Ozzy! It was a pretty fun event I'm jealous I didn't go with my first pick for song choice tbh.

Also to answer other question it's name and align so ik someone here who is a wolf or a villager.

Oh, I thought you'd just get alignment
That totally explains why you don't want to out it

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:08 am

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:06 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:01 am I was locked out of my house, and nobody inside is awake.

So I'm going to sit out in the shed and want to die

cya

I mean while it’s not ideal this is a completely acceptable situation to just knock loudly and wake someone up

If I wanted to get screamed at and kicked out then yeah I would

How can you get kicked out if you're already outside

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:18 am so yh

I point have a red check on schia I dunno why I said that

You don't? Bruh