The Syndicate

I forgot what I came back here to say -_- lol
I just wish I'd had the time/energy to read through a couple more isos tonight. Oh well. I won't be awake before end of night, I don't think.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:45 pm Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

It's still possible that I die before you
Either of us, I guess

and personally I'm looking forward to not having to keep up with the thread. Not that it's been hard, just that I feel like I'm not giving this game as much attention as I should.

Ok yeah idk what I want to believe about ender's alignment
I'm too tired for this
If I die, gg and good luck, town. I'm assuming my legacy will be wiped, but I don't think there's anything I didn't already say in the thread.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:08 am Good news, I've actually read 3 pages.

why did Wiggins mention a nullmarmot but not a nullwilgy?
It is entirely possible I forgot you existed tbh

Ender and Wilgy probably unpaired

I shouldve outlined ender's whole progression on Brad when I quoted that post, but ender was saying he thought brads eod was more town indicative, was replying to Robyn and reinforcing his opinion, then said meh, he forgot to vote, voted Brad. And then after Brad died, ender said Brad was prob scum for not leaving a legacy.

Im still trying to untangle it in my head because ive been reading the iso backwards. I do that a lot to see if it changes my perspective, but this time I think I'm a bit too tired for it lol.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:15 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:07 pm this is in line with my previous worldview of long con/porscha/wwa town which is something i believe fairly strongly in. i believe that brad committed the sin of having 7 townreads much too quickly. but i also wanna hear what you have to say because i disagree fairly strongly, have you ever seen brad drop off like this? (unless a wolf partner dies) @EnderWiggin
I might as well spell it out.

I explicitly think Brad's commentary around the vote manip (Joking about not noticing that Porscha lived despite Porscha posting alongside him) and his sudden "I think Scotty was wolf anyway" post kinda point to him being the reason the votes swapped.

And the fact that he claimed it so boldly (in my mind) kinda suggests to me he's not wolf with it. (Which supports my worldview that Porscha is wolf and being accused of the vote manip is a very "caught for the wrong reasons" indignation.)

Tbh the falling off is more wolf!brad which idk makes me feel less confident in this.

But the other part just feels like it works too well for me to ignore ya know?

Never mind, I don't think ender would be paired with Brad
He made this post, some other similar posts, and committed to voting Brad. iirc he could've voted elsewhere if he wanted to. So ender/Brad not w/w here. Any other combo is still possible.
Reminds me I should maybe look through brads iso too.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:12 am @EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?
Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I'm trying to think whether Ender could be paired with Brad or not

There was a post that Ender made about writing his legacy earlier too and I've been thinking whether or not there's any TMI there about the janitor, but it's just inconclusive. Also, if a wolf in the game were to write a legacy to fool town, I would not be surprised if Ender did. Or boquise. They're both very capable of wolfing and probably there will always be a townie that they fool into townreading them.

I'm gonna stop rambling and finish isoing ender before I run out of steam

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:23 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:12 am @EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?
Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.
I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?
Bereft town.

WWA is schrodinger's Werewolf.

Can't decide how much I dislike this post
It's kinda nullish but I don't like nook's post that ender was responding to
It hasn't been enough for me to scumread nook, though

Also I'm sorry this is useless hedge, I'm trying to figure out where the holes in my reads are. If I'm incorrectly townreading a wolf, it's Ender or boquise off wagonomics, but I've thought both to be socially towny, so I'm trying to go through their posts again and make a call, since I probably just die tonight (and can stop thinking about the game after that).

Is this about the cookie comment or what

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:27 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:19 pm I turn 30 next week though if you were genuinely curious
are u cishet

idk

Ah shit, I couldve consolidated it on Long Con, oh well

I turn 30 next week though if you were genuinely curious

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:13 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:09 pm Gonna give Robyn a cookie btw

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine
how old are u wwa

Old enough lol

Gonna give Robyn a cookie btw

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:13 pm PoE feels like Boq, Ender, Nook.

Will sort further later.

Why Ender? Curious to know what the case on him is. On D1 pretty much everyone said he was towny, but as of D3 I've seen reads on him trending down, so I'm wondering why.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:39 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:36 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:34 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:32 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:29 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:22 am Scotty town
Lily town
SVS town

Hmmmmmmm
i wanted nook d1, brad was the chop and i told scotty to not kill lily, svs was in cold blood yes
Do I really need to pull up the posts where you took credit for the lily kill (honestly you've switched positions on your responsibility for this kill with the thread flow so much it's astonishing)

You buried SVS your lies are full of contradictions

I mean we both know I won't go pull up the posts but I could do that means anyone reading your iso can find them so if you want to silence me better get your lackies to form the train on me or I'm gonna keep barreling down this track and you know i'm loud and hard to kill the longer I'm alive and the more I can obv town.
bro that’s not my argument, i don’t give a fuck what your read on me is in all honesty, i’ve accepted that you’re wrong and i’ll die before you change your attitude

my argument is that you’re being useless and need to solve outside of me, you and long con voting me again tomorrow ensures my me and my groupies kill whoever we please

i believe you are town and long con but you’re being empty slots and are doing nothing at all
My reads are pretty obvious and out there I'm focused on you yes because you need to die

But I'm not ignoring solving the thread lol

I think I've made it really obvious I think Nook Bereft Wilgy WWA are town.
why nook and wigly

and besides me do you suspect anyone?
Sure do. Anyone I don't town read.

The book nook and Wilgy are pretty obviously not pushing a wolf agenda I look at their play and go is this towny or wolfy

Hm makes more sense from town than wolf

Cool they are town

And than I move on with my life and try to get the wolf killed

I think Wilgy is town but maybe for other reasons
I'm not totally sure on nook
He's probably not pushing agenda, true, but like... Neither was marmot, lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:34 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:32 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:29 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:22 am Scotty town
Lily town
SVS town

Hmmmmmmm
i wanted nook d1, brad was the chop and i told scotty to not kill lily, svs was in cold blood yes
Do I really need to pull up the posts where you took credit for the lily kill (honestly you've switched positions on your responsibility for this kill with the thread flow so much it's astonishing)

You buried SVS your lies are full of contradictions

I mean we both know I won't go pull up the posts but I could do that means anyone reading your iso can find them so if you want to silence me better get your lackies to form the train on me or I'm gonna keep barreling down this track and you know i'm loud and hard to kill the longer I'm alive and the more I can obv town.
bro that’s not my argument, i don’t give a fuck what your read on me is in all honesty, i’ve accepted that you’re wrong and i’ll die before you change your attitude

my argument is that you’re being useless and need to solve outside of me, you and long con voting me again tomorrow ensures my me and my groupies kill whoever we please

i believe you are town and long con but you’re being empty slots and are doing nothing at all
My reads are pretty obvious and out there I'm focused on you yes because you need to die

But I'm not ignoring solving the thread lol

I think I've made it really obvious I think Nook Bereft Wilgy WWA are town.

What

When did you make it obvious you think I'm town, until svs's legacy flipped?

Well
Who wants a cookie tonight?

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:47 am there's also the fact that every chop has been my call

Yeah, which would mean that maybe except for the lily shot, you would've bussed your partners when it seems like it's unnecessary, and you'd probably know that.

Idk about marmot, that's anyone's guess since apparently none of his partners could convince him to play the game, meaning he was just cannon fodder that nobody thought was worth discussing except for svs who had a red on him.

I wasn't sure if you wanted boq to answer before I do, but the wolf death rate I think is pretty simple. If you're not trying to save them from going over, or you're even voting them consistently, you're not a wolf. There's no need to bus in a flipless game.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:44 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:42 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:36 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:39 am if we have yeeted 2 wolves, Robyn is cleared.
why?

also on your second readslist i wasn't any shade of town, but in your circle readslist i was top town

what changed it for you boq man?
I think I know the answer to this and I kinda agree with it
which part? the me no longer being town at all

or the me being cleared for the death rate of wolves

You being cleared for the death rate of wolves

Idr what boq's circle reads looked like except that there were like two avatars that appeared to be right on the border between green and red, and I was confused and gave up trying to parse it

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:36 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:39 am if we have yeeted 2 wolves, Robyn is cleared.
why?

also on your second readslist i wasn't any shade of town, but in your circle readslist i was top town

what changed it for you boq man?

I think I know the answer to this and I kinda agree with it

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:29 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:34 am If Long Con is town from svs's cop check, then I believe both voters on Robyn are town. This doesn't really tell me anything about Robyn, other than that wolves must've preferred a different wagon.
on the contrary, it proves that my reads have been laser beams, or as some might say "godly"

long con is just irked that he's obv town due to lack of tmi and i've reading him like a book and idk what abbie is doing tbh

Yeah, I agree with you on Long Con anyway, I had a similar read once he kicked into action.

And I still think youre town, but I also think I have too many townreads so I need to start reevaluating. That's why I'm picking the svs wagon to start with, and see if I find any suspicious activity around when she posted her readlist that included "one wolf between Long Con/marmot".

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:37 am Actually, svs was the one who said there was one scum between Long Con and marmot but didn't give an explanation for it

Maybe scum already figured out she might be a parity cop earlier

This is probably a better place to search for wolves than today

Actually, svs was the one who said there was one scum between Long Con and marmot but didn't give an explanation for it

Maybe scum already figured out she might be a parity cop earlier

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:24 am "Limited Parity Checker": The way S~V~S is claiming the role works is extremely strong?

I would certainly not expect Hat and Boot to mean the same thing across nights.

Sigh. I appreciate the info but no, I'm not exactly happy.

I think it must've been "limited" in that she only picks one of her targets and the other is randomized. Not limited in function.

And also yeah, I had the same thought as you about the hat/boot thing, but if it just works like a normal parity cop with a random check, then she probably did interpret her results correctly

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:05 am
Day 3 Votes

S~V~S - (6) Voters: 1 + EnderWiggin, DrWilgy, WindwardAway, Boquise, Bereft
DrWilgy - (4) Voters: 2 + NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, robyn
robyn - (2) Voters: Long Con, ☆Princess Abigail☆
Marmot - (1) Voters: S~V~S

Invalid - (0) Voters: Marmot

As they say, PRs sometimes come across wolfy when they have TMI

I would say that the wagon on svs had to contain a wolf who knew that svs was pushing on their teammate, but considering marmot was on his way to getting slank killed, Im not so sure.

Because if we had gone with svs's suggestion and yeeted marmot, we would have a dead marmot and a living svs, and no legacy from svs to go with it. She could very well have been killed at night and her legacy wiped, or we could've gone another day before mislunching her.

Basically, a marmot lunch wouldve been the equivalent of a no-lunch because he would've been slank killed regardless, so I don't think his wolf team would be as keen on pushing a counterwagon as they ordinarily might.

Not like anyone was going with the suggestion to kill marmot, anyway...

I also see 3 ghost votes and only 1 nonvoter (marmot), so I guess I still don't understand the mechanic. Oh well.

If Long Con is town from svs's cop check, then I believe both voters on Robyn are town. This doesn't really tell me anything about Robyn, other than that wolves must've preferred a different wagon.

I don't really know what to think of the Wilgy wagon. I don't really get the sense that Nanook has been solving so much as just slapping reads on people and moving on, but maybe I just don't understand his play because he hasn't given much explanation other than being good at reading a handful of players, and I don't have the experience to know what his reasoning could be. Idk.

Since I'm a bit lacking in scumreads right now, I'm considering going through the players on the svs wagon anyway, one by one, and figuring out which of them is most likely to be a wolf who suspects svs of having dirt on marmot.

My legacy will probably get wiped whenever I die tbh so I'll just make all my reads publicly known

This is by far the most info we've gotten all game
I'll go back and read more carefully through the leadup to EoD and see what I can get from it

Her all-day push on marmot makes so much more sense with that context

Lmao I'm so sorry svs, but at least marmot got slank killed

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:47 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:45 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:37 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:36 am

nobody would ever play another rondo game lol
I think it's cool. And what does it matter if it's mafia and independent if we have to kill them both anyway??
makes my pr read and lack of tmi read on you correct, as well as gives you my logic for nk’s being anti multiball (makes this logic valid)
3p vs multiball is extremely different
... go on
???? if a multiball then tmi reads are valid, i've cleverly played a multiball and got n1ed after having a 4/6 solve. the teams know that there are mafia faking solving and are genuinely trying to solve the other team and uses their nk to strike down 1) high influence players 2) potential mafia. last on the list is conf towns especially in a flipless

the entire gamestate is different
I'll find out at endgame. Mafia choosing kills is based on a hell of a lot more than those two factors.

The kills so far do not indicate that mafia is trying to kill other mafia
They're just killing players that are widely townread as far as I can tell

Oh yeah, and what I was gonna say earlier was that multiball usually involves multiple teams wanting each other dead, but 1 scumteam + 3p team does not necessarily have the same dynamic. If the 3p team is survivors or something fairly benign, they're not out for blood. And if the 3p team is a serial killer team, they're more out for blood than anyone else lol.

Didn't completely catch up, sort of skimmed cause I was in a rush to vote

I'll catch up during the night

Quick thoughts are that I really need to reevaluate lily, Nook is starting to lose the towniness I thought he had before because he feels like he's just giving reads for the sake of giving reads, and I'm not really feeling like svs is town anymore, as evidenced by my vote.

I think Wilgy has been doing at least a little that sounds towny but idk his wolfrange, I just think some of his observations a re good.

Ah shit it's almost deadline, sorry!

I'm not sure actually on Wilgy but I'd go svs.

[VOTE: s~v~s] aubergine

I have an answer to that, but I'm not Bereft so I won't answer it lol
At least not until Bereft answers first cause I don't want to interrupt

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:12 am Does Abigail not holding vote indicate that they are, in fact, town?

FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL Z
Yeah she's town
Not only that, but she went on about how town doesn't need to leave a legacy if they have nothing to say that they didn't already say in the thread.
She doesn't need to say that if she knows there's a janitor; she could just be like yeah, whatever, town can write as much as they want! Maybe that's a bit uncharacteristic of Abbi but hopefully you get my point. Eyeing svs because she did exactly that and hasn't produced much in general. Maybe there are others. If this is multiball with two scum teams, one of whom does not have a janitor, that would change things a bit, but I think for now I'm comfortable considering Abbi town. You may also be right about her withholding her vote, tbh.

Idk how to ping Abbi cause I don't have that star character on my keyboard.
I feel like copy paste would work but maybe not

Anyways thank you uwu I'm fine with this I think

I highly highly doubt this is nultiball

I recently played a multiball closed setup where the player who got yeeted D1 and I who got yeeted D2 were both 3p survivors in a game where literally everyone else was on a scumteam and there were two *actual* wolves, so it was their duty to figure out that they were multiball town with 2 scum to kill.

But obviously, they killed the two survivors who had absolutely no idea about the setup whatsoever first. Lol.

However wild Rondo gets with his setups, I doubt it's like that.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:53 pm Have zero interest in robyn/Abby thunderdome today, think that's just a distraction rn

Would encourage both of you to pretend the other isntown and build a world from that and see where it leads you, as a thought exercise if nothing else
Seconding this.

Also, Nanook is town. I invoke my right to read Nanook well.

Thirding this and seconding the notion that Nook is town

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:35 am @S~V~S what are your thoughts outside of Marmot and Long Con rn?

Out of the flips, who were W and who were T g2h?
I think Cape was town for sure. I was iffy on Scotty till he killed Lily; I had seen him with a similar role recently and I thought it was "convenient" that the role he claimed was what it was until he acted on it, which he had done in that other game as well.

I had no read on Lily and tbh I didn't read any of the back and forth she had going on, that kind of thing tends to make me anxious. I'm one of those people irl who has to leave the room if people start arguing loudly or seriously. There was alot of nuance I didn't understand in the bits I did read, and I didn't understand why Robyn wanted her dead if they weren't sure Lily was bad.

I don't think Pyxxy or Sean had one post between them?

I know the consensus on Porscha was town, but I wasn't so sure of that. I felt that this post misrepresented what actually happened, whether that was intentional, I can't say. But if definitely swayed my thoughts on her.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:39 am i'm too lazy to find the marmot posts but he pushed back on lily trying to claim that robyn was treating me and her unfairly and then boldly rando voted

which leads into my next comment, which is when I went back again I only found like 1 post by long con I townread, idk what I was remembering from before. but long con also jumped onto marmot's random vote idea expeditiously, and I didnt like that. marmot has a reason to loudly exclaim "hey idk what's going on, help" right. he clearly isn't like, super caught up with the game or quite active. long con, however, seems to be caught up in thread when he posts, and yet he like... tried to act like he was just being a silly little guy for fun when he guided marmot's vote. it was irresponsible
I also had mixed feels on Brad. I also was recalling that game where he was your partner, and he stayed involved even after he took alot of suspish after you lost your third teammate. Before he fell off, he was maybe my top town read, but people who know him better than I seem to be saying falling off = bad. But all the open calls and reads he was making day one were a good look to my eye, even if one of his calls was that I was possibly bad

Jack I had no real opinion on, I recently misread him terribly and I was thinking to follow other peoples leads on him this game for that reason.

Re the living, I think LC is town, I think Nanook is prolly town, I think WWA is town, I lean town on Robyn, I still think her directing is a town thing for her. Abigails tone is towny, but I don't read her very well. I haven't seen enough of you to know.

Boquise, Ender and Bereft I have no idea. They're part of a group that mainly plays in other places and seems to know each other well. So at times I feel i don't 100% get what they're talking about. I need to reread them.

Nvm, I shouldve read first, you answered already

Pyxxy did have some posts, but Seanzie didn't. And neither of them voted, which is why I think not voting 2 days in a row is cause for death. Same as JOH because he placed a vote on D1 but it was invalid and didn't count, and he never came back to fix it.

Do you think Long Con and marmot could be partnered, or do you think they're not both scum?

Also, what makes you think I'm town?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:08 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:15 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:14 am Sorry I've been so absent, this week is my last week at a job I've been at over 10 years, a job where my feudal overlords had no clue what I actually did, and even though I gave notice, didn't really think about WHO would do what I do until this week, lol. So I've been spending alot of time setting up my coworkers with what they need to know. Fuck management, but I <3 my coworkers. The bosses are panicking a bit heh heh.

So I will continue to be afk through tomorrow night, but I'll do my best to make my post minimum.
Good luck, sounds like you have a lot on your plate!
You have no idea, lol. They fired my old boss a few months back, hired a new boss who's pretty much a psycho, and an ethically challenged psycho to boot. I'm counting the minutes!

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:19 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:28 am OK, so Marmot has neither voted since Night One, nor met his minimum post cap, yet he's still here. We all presumed this happened since these people didn't vote, right?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:14 am
End of Day 2

Jackofhearts2005 has been killed.

(S)yxxy has been killed.

Marmot hasn't voted since night one. Is he somehow being bolstered?

I went back and reread a few people last night, and I don't care who crucifies me, I think LC is town. He's putting himself out there in a way I doubt bad LC would. I think his tone is different to what many people are used to, and it can be hard to find him town. Like it's hard to find ME town. We come from the same home forum, where being cagey and hard to pin down kept you alive. I still have trouble looking for villagers as opposed to hunting wolves. It's hard to fight against "not finding someone town", especially for vague reasoning.

Well, I'm town and I think LC is too. He's done and said alot of things I don't believe bad LC ever would.

I think Capes theory re Marmot and LC had alot of validity, so if I think LC is town, I think Marmot is NOT. So Imma keep voting there. [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Also I agree with the person who said looks like the baddies have a janitor, but it isn't automatic, since Capes legacy wasn't janitored (thankfully!). OR we have two bad teams, Odd Killers without a janitor, even killers with one? Hard to say, it's all speculation with no flips.
1. Marmot voted on D1 so he probably won't die unless he doesn't vote today. Either way, his absence is hugely concerning to me at this point.
2. I think the janitor left the "torn scraps" hint on Porscha. The others who died with no legacy just didn't leave a legacy, which is why I've been yelling for people to write legacies for a while now.
3. I don't know if Rondo is a fan of multiball or not so I didn't give that any thought at all.
Re 2 that had not occurred to me. And Multiball, like everything, is conjecture in what is basically an experimental game like this. I try hard to keep an open mind re mechanics, and I always keep an open mind re Rondo ha ha

And I'm being paranoid re Marmots votes, I know. I played a game once years ago where you took punishment votes for various things, and my bad teammate broke rules fairly regularly, so we used our secret extra vote to kinda wash their votes. It's the only game I ever saw this in, and I don't recall the game, so it is not a likely mechanic, but I think some paranoia is healthy in a civvie.

Oh man, and I thought my company had a lot of management turbulence

Yeah, tbh I haven't played in a Rondo game before so idk what he does with his setups, I just assume black magic lol. I still have thoughts about it but I know I can't be absolutely sure of my speculations.

Anyway. I kinda get your paranoia on marmot because he usually posts more, or at least posts actual content. Outside of marmot, do you have any other suspects who have posted a bit more, like enough for you to get a read on them?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:36 pm Adjacent thinking,

Longus Congus is probably just town spewed by SVS.
-SVS if T is probably correct on the LC read. At least I have no reason to doubt the read.
-SVS if W is also likely not shielding wolfmate LC. At least it doesn't look like shielding to me.

Yeah long con somehow convinced me that he's town
I like his posts. Not just for humor but for content

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:12 am Does Abigail not holding vote indicate that they are, in fact, town?

FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL Z
Yeah she's town
Not only that, but she went on about how town doesn't need to leave a legacy if they have nothing to say that they didn't already say in the thread.
She doesn't need to say that if she knows there's a janitor; she could just be like yeah, whatever, town can write as much as they want! Maybe that's a bit uncharacteristic of Abbi but hopefully you get my point. Eyeing svs because she did exactly that and hasn't produced much in general. Maybe there are others. If this is multiball with two scum teams, one of whom does not have a janitor, that would change things a bit, but I think for now I'm comfortable considering Abbi town. You may also be right about her withholding her vote, tbh.

Idk how to ping Abbi cause I don't have that star character on my keyboard.

@☆Princess Abigail☆

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:12 am Does Abigail not holding vote indicate that they are, in fact, town?

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Yeah she's town
Not only that, but she went on about how town doesn't need to leave a legacy if they have nothing to say that they didn't already say in the thread.
She doesn't need to say that if she knows there's a janitor; she could just be like yeah, whatever, town can write as much as they want! Maybe that's a bit uncharacteristic of Abbi but hopefully you get my point. Eyeing svs because she did exactly that and hasn't produced much in general. Maybe there are others. If this is multiball with two scum teams, one of whom does not have a janitor, that would change things a bit, but I think for now I'm comfortable considering Abbi town. You may also be right about her withholding her vote, tbh.

Idk how to ping Abbi cause I don't have that star character on my keyboard.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:29 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:23 am I really don't like the fact that a legacy affecting role appeared the cycle after I suggested that it made more sense than a silencing role.
Tbh, the last game I played that had legacies enabled had a legacy wiper, so i kind of expected it, and I was surprised cape's legacy showed up.
That being said, I totally forgot about your comment. Are you thinking it could've come from a wish granter sort of mechanic, or just that wolves had a janitor and suddenly remembered to use it after your post?
half makes me feel that I baited it, but I don't really know how much I should act upon that assumption. If I am to do so, then yeehaw let marmot ride. If not, then I should get to reviewing Porscha and figure out why them.

Idk about marmot but the Porscha kill has an easy explanation. Most people thought she was town after her interrogation of Brad before the D2 deadline. Even if we aren't sure of Brad's responses, Porscha tried very obviously to solve his alignment, to determine whether to save or vote him. Porscha obvtowned at that point.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:42 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:11 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:02 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:49 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:44 am Also yeah there's likely a role that wipes legacies.

I think that is potentially game losing for town if it's not capped in some way.
Agreed. I'm kind of hoping the wiped legacies will reappear after the janitor dies, but I'm not sure.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:45 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:35 am

why do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?

i’m not looking to catch you in a lie or anything but you’re saying a lot of things and i don’t understand why + you’re providing no reasoning
Yeah, understanding abbi's thought process would definitely help me to read her because I'm not sure what her reasoning is on most of her takes. I do recall that she said Brad lurking is NAI for him, which, yeah, I'd agree except in the case that he's a wolf and the game is going badly for his team. Which we don't know for sure, but then it comes down to assumptions lol.
Thing is. I'm pretty sure town is ouroborosing itself and wolfs are winning.

I don't think the pyxxy and Jack kills were activity related but maybe I'm wrong... my instant reaction was that's a lot of kp and I hope some of it is town.
If wolves are winning, then who's the team? You think they're powerwolfing to push town, or you think they're lurking and letting town jump off a cliff on its own?

I do think pyxxy and JOH were slank kills. Neither of them voted for two days in a row, and voting is mandatory. Everyone else who didn't vote yesterday had voted D1, and the others who didn't vote on D1 like me voted on D2.
I just don't see Rondo modkilling the slots instead of just replacing them out

And I have no clue who the team is clearly I'm voting robyn
No no, I mean specifically because of their lack of votes, not for their lack of posts. I am very, very sure of this.
Except as was pointed out Marmot is alone and didn't post or vote enough on either day

Oh, I thought he voted on D1.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:23 am I really don't like the fact that a legacy affecting role appeared the cycle after I suggested that it made more sense than a silencing role.

Tbh, the last game I played that had legacies enabled had a legacy wiper, so i kind of expected it, and I was surprised cape's legacy showed up.
That being said, I totally forgot about your comment. Are you thinking it could've come from a wish granter sort of mechanic, or just that wolves had a janitor and suddenly remembered to use it after your post?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:56 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:49 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:53 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:17 am Like we can reasonably safely flip porscha and [n1 kill I'm completely blanking on and too lazy to check for] green, or not mafia at least and that's all I care about rn

Then we just build worlds and eliminate as many teams and pairings as possible, ID the most and least likely ones, and work off of that.

Easier said than done of course but that's how you typically solve flipless games and this one is no different.
Cape and Porscha were town, yeah

And yes but I solve flipless games by making assumptions on the ones who didn't flip, too. You can tell me it's unnecessary but i personally would just be floating around aimlessly if I can't do that.
Let's play a game where you make the assumption that Scotty and Lily are town Bread can be either I don't care where does that lead you?

I am cause this is the world I'm thinking is most likely.
How many baddies on each team, in this world?
Each team? Is it openly stated somewhere that there are multiple teams?
Renters and government agents.

... I didn't know we were serious about this theory, but I think I get it now
It's plausible

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:49 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:29 am @Long Con anyway i figured out that you were a PR yesterday, when you made 2 silly pr reads on others and were constantly trying to pair things to pr abilities

i don’t know if this means anything to you but lol
It is meaningful because making people laugh is important. Thank you. But I have no idea what you're talking about.

PR stands for party raccoon, I thought everyone knew that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:28 am OK, so Marmot has neither voted since Night One, nor met his minimum post cap, yet he's still here. We all presumed this happened since these people didn't vote, right?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:14 am
End of Day 2

Jackofhearts2005 has been killed.

(S)yxxy has been killed.

Marmot hasn't voted since night one. Is he somehow being bolstered?

I went back and reread a few people last night, and I don't care who crucifies me, I think LC is town. He's putting himself out there in a way I doubt bad LC would. I think his tone is different to what many people are used to, and it can be hard to find him town. Like it's hard to find ME town. We come from the same home forum, where being cagey and hard to pin down kept you alive. I still have trouble looking for villagers as opposed to hunting wolves. It's hard to fight against "not finding someone town", especially for vague reasoning.

Well, I'm town and I think LC is too. He's done and said alot of things I don't believe bad LC ever would.

I think Capes theory re Marmot and LC had alot of validity, so if I think LC is town, I think Marmot is NOT. So Imma keep voting there. [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Also I agree with the person who said looks like the baddies have a janitor, but it isn't automatic, since Capes legacy wasn't janitored (thankfully!). OR we have two bad teams, Odd Killers without a janitor, even killers with one? Hard to say, it's all speculation with no flips.

1. Marmot voted on D1 so he probably won't die unless he doesn't vote today. Either way, his absence is hugely concerning to me at this point.
2. I think the janitor left the "torn scraps" hint on Porscha. The others who died with no legacy just didn't leave a legacy, which is why I've been yelling for people to write legacies for a while now.

3. I don't know if Rondo is a fan of multiball or not so I didn't give that any thought at all.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:14 am Sorry I've been so absent, this week is my last week at a job I've been at over 10 years, a job where my feudal overlords had no clue what I actually did, and even though I gave notice, didn't really think about WHO would do what I do until this week, lol. So I've been spending alot of time setting up my coworkers with what they need to know. Fuck management, but I <3 my coworkers. The bosses are panicking a bit heh heh.

So I will continue to be afk through tomorrow night, but I'll do my best to make my post minimum.

Good luck, sounds like you have a lot on your plate!

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:17 am Like we can reasonably safely flip porscha and [n1 kill I'm completely blanking on and too lazy to check for] green, or not mafia at least and that's all I care about rn

Then we just build worlds and eliminate as many teams and pairings as possible, ID the most and least likely ones, and work off of that.

Easier said than done of course but that's how you typically solve flipless games and this one is no different.
Cape and Porscha were town, yeah

And yes but I solve flipless games by making assumptions on the ones who didn't flip, too. You can tell me it's unnecessary but i personally would just be floating around aimlessly if I can't do that.
Let's play a game where you make the assumption that Scotty and Lily are town Bread can be either I don't care where does that lead you?

I am cause this is the world I'm thinking is most likely.

It doesn't make a huge difference to me except that if lily and Brad are both town, we're probably 6 town dead in a game with 18 players, which is not great because that's a third of the game.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:06 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:16 am Yeah, but I am interested in making setup reads so that I don't incorrectly attribute mechanics to a player when it's nobody's fault, etc. Because I think that could easily spiral out of control into a scenario where we lose because we didn't understand the game.

On an unrelated note, thinking Abbi might be town.
I want to get a solid read on svs today.
Why am I town?

Why me fry me.

I have a decent reason for it but I'm withholding saying it until a bit later.

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