The Syndicate

I would think a wolf would want to solve the game at that point yesterday, when it's LyLo for town and wolves have another day to figure out what they're doing. But maybe it benefits them more to keep the other wolf alive for another day, to guarantee that town doesn't win?
Or it might depend on the night kill assignment. If it's alternating like we think it is, I guess wolves don't want to get killed by each other.

Doing a quick skim of yesterday and I just feel no urgency from Delta to solve
I mean yeah it could be easily explained by Wilgy being pretty much guaranteed to flip by popular vote
Which is why I said yesterday it felt like Delta was just sitting back and letting things happen. But I don't know if that's a wolfy approach. I guess Wilgy was right and we were in LyLo yesterday too

meaning if we'd landed on town, town would already have lost and we would've been picking which wolf we wanted to win, lol

I feel like Delta is almost too obviously scummy at this point but I know it's not a good basis for a read

but would they really be so lost in the thread as a wolf?

And since I'm not gonna be around for the last 12 or so hours I feel like my time is better spent figuring out to vote? I'm not surprised at all that im alive in LyLo, normally I'd think it's because my reads are wrong but in this case I'm fairly sure it's just because I'm PoE

I always feel so awkward when defending myself lol, cause it's never really my primary focus

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:23 am At a glance, the Epi kill seems to point to Delta. Epi was pretty much focused on Delta (and Wilgy), to the exclusion of anyone else. The thing is, does WWA have a better target here?

Well, Epi cased me specifically as an Arbiter a couple days back, so if there's any reason why I'd kill him, I'd say that's probably a good one lol

Good morning! Have a busy day but I want to put time into solving the last wolf, so I'll be around more after I finish work for the day to get through ISOing.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:58 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?
Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.
Well I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbh
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit
Just as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lol
I legit do not believe I shouldve survived that tie without there being any kind of message about the flip being randed, but maybe it's because I don't play here that often
I'm used to seeing an explicit host message that the vote randed, either in the OP or in the flip post, if no other mechanics are at play
See that would be abnormal or at host discretion for me.

Ok maybe my expectations are just wrong then lol
But Davos's vote pattern was so weird.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:56 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:55 pm You were asking WWA their plan for when you flip, why is it now game over? ?_?
Because I don't think we've delt with either team.

When I flip, there's a high chance it'll be T/A/L next cycle.

That's going to be an absolute nightmare, holy shit
Good thing I don't believe it will be the case, I guess
And if it is, well, fuck me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?
Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.
Well I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbh
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit
Just as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lol

I legit do not believe I shouldve survived that tie without there being any kind of message about the flip being randed, but maybe it's because I don't play here that often
I'm used to seeing an explicit host message that the vote randed, either in the OP or in the flip post, if no other mechanics are at play

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:52 pm [VOTE: DRWILGY] aubergine

just to get a vote down, v sorry about that :,)

Interesting

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:50 pm Bleh, I feel like I'm losing us the game, but the only person who's voted me and interacted with me or anything I've had to say is the person I'm voting lol.

I guess that means I shouldn't feel too bad.

Good luck if there's a f3. If we get there, please town side Delta lol.

This is the one thing I really take issue with when voting you, and it's that it feels like every time a wagon forms on you, very little is said about it

Regardless of your flip I think I'll need to sift through the lead-up to today's votes on you, and I'm gonna be very short on time tomorrow assuming I'm alive, because it's my last week at my workplace and I have a full schedule during the last half of D9 straight up until eod. Which is not ideal, but can't do much about it besides do all the solving in the first half of the day.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?
Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.

Well I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbh
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:46 pm fuck me that feels like such an awful way to disprove something

I didnt even realise that was a rule, sorry ;_;

It's a bit weird but tbh I'll take any hard evidence that presents itself

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:42 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:34 pm Delta, why didn't you vote Day 7?
I froze up because I wasnt sure if voting Davos was the right move but thought Windward towntold near EOD so I was stuck kinda. decision paralysis I guess

& it's silly, I shouldnt have, but it caught me because i thought their final posts EOD were townie
Pretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
I think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;
Unless I'm missing something, you didn't vote D5 either

Oh
Well then Delta is cleared of doing anything last night, they didn't kill sig

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:34 pm Delta, why didn't you vote Day 7?
I froze up because I wasnt sure if voting Davos was the right move but thought Windward towntold near EOD so I was stuck kinda. decision paralysis I guess

& it's silly, I shouldnt have, but it caught me because i thought their final posts EOD were townie
Pretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
I think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;

So that would mean, if you don't vote today, you'll be roleblocked tonight.
Which could potentially clear (or condemn) you from being a wolf, assuming Wilgy flips wolf.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:34 pm Delta, why didn't you vote Day 7?
I froze up because I wasnt sure if voting Davos was the right move but thought Windward towntold near EOD so I was stuck kinda. decision paralysis I guess

& it's silly, I shouldnt have, but it caught me because i thought their final posts EOD were townie
Pretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that

Wait, actually. How many days has Delta not voted?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?

Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:17 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:13 pm Wait, why do you say unfalsifiable?
They're dead; we can no longer test such an idea

Ah yeah
I thought you meant there was evidence pointing one way or another

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:09 pm Yeah, five arbiters is probably a bit much and probably would mean the game is essentially settled by now. Then again, five landlords (counting Davos) isn't much better. Five per team would result in 10/32 wolves or a bit under 33%, which is acceptable for multiball but only if wolves kill every night, and if it's been alternating like people say it's a bit hard to see there being that much.
There were multi kills for like 4 rounds lol

Yeah and those kills didn't really look like they were coming from town
I believe they were from the two wolf teams and one or both of the 3ps.
The only kill that I never figured out an explanation for was the poison on TSP, but I believe it was probably some kind of one-shot thing because we didn't see a poison on any other day.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:06 pm I *still* think Davos's vote didn't count, regardless of what the OP says about ties
You can get on my case for it, it's fine, but I don't believe that was randomized
Sure would be a shame if ties were arbiter controlled right?

I think that would be too imbalanced if they win all ties
Plus in the bigger picture, you would've seen more tied wagons, or at least an attempt to create them

Wait, why do you say unfalsifiable?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:10 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:06 pm I *still* think Davos's vote didn't count, regardless of what the OP says about ties
You can get on my case for it, it's fine, but I don't believe that was randomized
That's basically unfalsifiable at this point. Although if Davos's votes don't count, why did they vote at all?

WIFOM, or else voting people did something else mechanically

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:05 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:00 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:56 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:56 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:43 pm Ties will not result in no-elimination
??
Ohhhhh
Idk how I missed that ok then, so you think the vote randed?
did you think ties were a no vote? !_!
No, but I thought there would be some kind of host message about the vote randing if it was a rand
Isn't there usually something about that?
eh

I assume the opener saying its not decided by no elim implies a more specific way it's decided? so doesnt need to clarify if its randed or not?

I'm honestly not too sure, I was thinking more 'the puppet doesnt have vote power' regardless

Yeah, that's the thing, I'm pretty sure I said a day or two ago that I had a thought that Davos didn't have a real vote. Because I went and analyzed Davos's voting pattern in the East Facility and noticed very curiously that it never landed on a wagon that actually flipped.

I *still* think Davos's vote didn't count, regardless of what the OP says about ties
You can get on my case for it, it's fine, but I don't believe that was randomized

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:04 pmbunkus

?

Also, sorry, I fell asleep lmao. I'll stick around till eod though.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:56 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:56 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:43 pm Ties will not result in no-elimination
??
Ohhhhh
Idk how I missed that ok then, so you think the vote randed?
did you think ties were a no vote? !_!

No, but I thought there would be some kind of host message about the vote randing if it was a rand
Isn't there usually something about that?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:49 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:44 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:37 pm I dunno

I'm focusing too much on puppet mech I'm unsure about considering the time I've had in this has been so limited

On a broader scale, I do think final landlord lies within you two but like. If Davos was tied to a dead mafia, I dont know where that really leaves me?

I dont think it's both of you is a main issue which is tough because I know a huge part of late game has been 'just clear the other thread'
Aye, well I'm also at the point where Epi/WWA's vote swapping almost seems coordinated, but I also think i'm beyond tinfoil mode.
It cant be though, no?

Unless teams became aware of each other or some other weird factor like a third wolf team
I mean, if landlords have 1 remaining that puts 1 team at 4.5 members. I don't know if it's too stretchy to think Arbiters could've started with 5 and we are now facing a 2v2v1.

I hope that's not the case and that's why it's merely tinfoil.

If we're facing 5 arbiters I think we've already lost tbh
Cause that's too many wolves in the game imo

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:43 pm Ties will not result in no-elimination
??

Ohhhhh
Idk how I missed that

ok then, so you think the vote randed?

Idk, would the game really be so uneven as to have that many wolves on the west side to begin with? Am I making the hosts laugh by speculating on a way wrong assumption? Maybe, but that would make the game incredibly difficult for town if no breadcrumbs were dropped about the wolf distribution. And there haven't been any, other than one wolf puppet and one town puppet. And that's still up in the air.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:08 pm Yeah no, that checks out and from your perspective if Davos has to get connected to a living player it has to be me.

I don't know if you're forcing that concept to push me here, but it's not true.

I also don't know how to interpret it with you. Does Landlord WWA kill Nut risking themselves and the dummy? Yes. Does it make the "I'll take the +1 votes constantly, please resolve me" that occurred previously appear more preformatory. Yes. Does it seem like a lot of unnecessary effort from wolf when they COULD have just left nut alive and pushed in West to not cause a thunder dome? Yes.

Honestly, I think we should just stop taking the nutella kill into consideration because I really do not want to believe we have 2 wolves in the West now, and so most likely whoever made the nut kill is either solo wolfing in the West, or it was you and it was completely unintentional. I said this before, but I don't believe it was a redirect because I saw no strong and consistent pushes that remained the same all day, so if the kill came from you, then your kill was likely bus driven. Otherwise, it was whoever in the West is a wolf. And if the kill was bus driven and from you, then there is someone who knows who the original kill target was.

Meaning that, in a LyLo situation, Davos would not count toward parity but it would essentially be a no-lunch in the landlords' favor since they already knew who Davos was. Giving landlords an advantage, but no extra vote, so it would just work as a bluff in the hopes town would fall for it and try to vote it out in LyLo. So I don't think giving Davos up a day or two earlier was such a disadvantage for the last landlord.

And then, if Davos didn't have a real vote, maybe they never had a real vote
And thus it would make way more sense for the landlord to be willing to sacrifice them

My thought was essentially that Davos's vote on me mightve been fake and it wasn't a real tie

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:51 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:14 pm I'm not Davos's puppet master.

Why would I push you for the same reason? I've already explained why I don't think you are landlord, do you suddenly expect me to change those thoughts after successfully hitting the landlord in East?

I didn't put effort into a case on you, you've basically all but said "I have to yeet Wilgy" and only Arbiter WWA would believe that as vehemently and upfront as you did.
Yes, I actually do believe it's suspicious that you're not reconsidering your view of me that I can't be a landlord. I see no reason why I should be looking elsewhere.
"Damn, why doesn't Wilgy think that I created a Landlord/Landlord/town state by killing Nutella and then alongside him lead the yeet of landlord Davos?"

And honestly the fact that you are pushing the thought that I did both of these things when that's so contrary to my own thinking is the best way for me to define your worldview as being borked.
Because I think something was weird with Davos's votes, and I don't believe they counted for parity.

As proof, let me remind you, yesterday when I unvoted, I put my own wagon ahead of Davos's. Epi swapped off of me and onto Davos, tying the wagons, and yet Davos flipped and I did not. I believe Davos's vote has been a bluff this entire time, and that's why we never saw them trying to save Brad or vote anywhere that was ever relevant. The landlords didn't want to give away that Davos's vote was fake.
Did either you or Davos take food yesterday?

No one took food, that's why I know it was supposed to be a tie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:50 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:32 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:12 am I'm ngl, Wilgy's claim that my worldview is wrong kind of makes me think he actually isn't the landlord and I've caught him for the wrong reasons, and he's really the arbiter instead.
What are these wrong reasons?
That I've been pushing you all day as the landlord controlling Davos. I mean, your rebuttal to me was wolfy but sounded more like CFTWR actually. But I still don't believe Davos belonged to Brad.
Ok, but how are my responses wolfy?

You've stated that you think I killed Nut and bussed Davos when there was no real need, I've stated that I don't think you've done exactly that. My only real explanation for this is that your an Arbiter pushing for my yeet. Is there another explanation that gets there? Because from you, as town, I'd expect you to say "Wilgy has to be arbiter" but that was missed UNTIL I said that you should be thinking that.

Because your only real pushback on me is that my worldview is wrong. You're accusing me of being an Arbiter. Which is fine, I know I have weird interactions with the flipped arbiters and I don't really care. But I've been pushing that you're specifically a landlord because of the Davos flip, not because I'm an arbiter. I acknowledged only once today that you could be an arbiter, but I don't really believe that to be the case because it still doesn't explain Davos. I believe the hypotheticals you've been throwing around about Davos are all in an effort to unpartner you from the slot, because the flip incriminated you. I am the only one who's been floating around the notion that Davos probably didn't count toward parity, although I did think their vote still counted until I looked at the final vote count from yesterday again.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:42 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:19 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:10 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:26 pm I don't see why the idea of Brad being Davos should be so easily discounted. After all, it has been shown twice that socks don't die at the same time as their owners. Doing the bare minimum to avoid spewing is something I would easily see Brad doing. Still, if there is a remaining landlord, that would suggest that the arbiters have some sort of ace up their sleeve or, worse, a fifth member. If it's the former, there's at least a 3/4 chance said ace is dead, and if it's the latter, town is kind of screwed here anyway unless we get very lucky with crossfire.
Because I believe the puppet would've died if its puppetmaster had flipped. I don't see enough evidence to believe that Brad has been controlling it.
Why?

If you are town, why are we assuming how things work as if this is the case you've been led astray by it.

But because of you shoving like this in, potential lylo mind you, with "I believe this made up information which may determine the game" I don't know how I'm supposed to see anything but agenda.
But we aren't in LyLo, isn't that announced? And even if it's LyLo, I'm betting the game on your flip. You can say it's agenda, you can say it's based on bad mechanics, I don't really care. I have a worldview and I'm not seeing anything currently to prove me wrong.
Is it? Idk, I'm in worst case scenario mode.

Gonna check the OP for this btw

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:14 pm I'm not Davos's puppet master.

Why would I push you for the same reason? I've already explained why I don't think you are landlord, do you suddenly expect me to change those thoughts after successfully hitting the landlord in East?

I didn't put effort into a case on you, you've basically all but said "I have to yeet Wilgy" and only Arbiter WWA would believe that as vehemently and upfront as you did.
Yes, I actually do believe it's suspicious that you're not reconsidering your view of me that I can't be a landlord. I see no reason why I should be looking elsewhere.
"Damn, why doesn't Wilgy think that I created a Landlord/Landlord/town state by killing Nutella and then alongside him lead the yeet of landlord Davos?"

And honestly the fact that you are pushing the thought that I did both of these things when that's so contrary to my own thinking is the best way for me to define your worldview as being borked.

Because I think something was weird with Davos's votes, and I don't believe they counted for parity.

As proof, let me remind you, yesterday when I unvoted, I put my own wagon ahead of Davos's. Epi swapped off of me and onto Davos, tying the wagons, and yet Davos flipped and I did not. I believe Davos's vote has been a bluff this entire time, and that's why we never saw them trying to save Brad or vote anywhere that was ever relevant. The landlords didn't want to give away that Davos's vote was fake.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:32 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:12 am I'm ngl, Wilgy's claim that my worldview is wrong kind of makes me think he actually isn't the landlord and I've caught him for the wrong reasons, and he's really the arbiter instead.
What are these wrong reasons?

That I've been pushing you all day as the landlord controlling Davos. I mean, your rebuttal to me was wolfy but sounded more like CFTWR actually. But I still don't believe Davos belonged to Brad.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:31 pm I trust you and I trust leetic. Let's end this.
Epi's shifted view on me and WWA without much of anything here. This reeks.

I don't actually know why Epi trusts me now, considering he wrote an entire case on me earlier, but I don't think this post was scummy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:19 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:10 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:26 pm I don't see why the idea of Brad being Davos should be so easily discounted. After all, it has been shown twice that socks don't die at the same time as their owners. Doing the bare minimum to avoid spewing is something I would easily see Brad doing. Still, if there is a remaining landlord, that would suggest that the arbiters have some sort of ace up their sleeve or, worse, a fifth member. If it's the former, there's at least a 3/4 chance said ace is dead, and if it's the latter, town is kind of screwed here anyway unless we get very lucky with crossfire.
Because I believe the puppet would've died if its puppetmaster had flipped. I don't see enough evidence to believe that Brad has been controlling it.
Why?

If you are town, why are we assuming how things work as if this is the case you've been led astray by it.

But because of you shoving like this in, potential lylo mind you, with "I believe this made up information which may determine the game" I don't know how I'm supposed to see anything but agenda.

But we aren't in LyLo, isn't that announced? And even if it's LyLo, I'm betting the game on your flip. You can say it's agenda, you can say it's based on bad mechanics, I don't really care. I have a worldview and I'm not seeing anything currently to prove me wrong.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:14 pm I'm not Davos's puppet master.

Why would I push you for the same reason? I've already explained why I don't think you are landlord, do you suddenly expect me to change those thoughts after successfully hitting the landlord in East?

I didn't put effort into a case on you, you've basically all but said "I have to yeet Wilgy" and only Arbiter WWA would believe that as vehemently and upfront as you did.

Yes, I actually do believe it's suspicious that you're not reconsidering your view of me that I can't be a landlord. I see no reason why I should be looking elsewhere.

I should be more or less here for the rest of the day, btw, in case anyone's around

At this point NKA is probably futile since the kills are likely alternating and I would not be surprised at all if both wolves are trying to frame each other with the kills, lol.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:56 pm Granted I’ve not playing with Wilgy since the summer I think, but he seeks to be so within his civ meta that I don’t want to vote there, voting Davos seems like a waste right now thag leaves WWA from the west or East

This was the thing I remembered reading, though. I think if anything, I look worse from the sig kill than Wilgy does

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:00 pm Ignoring the sock we’re at 4-1-1

If we misvote today and have 1 night kill then we’ve still got a final phase.

Also the flip side with my Wilgy read is he could still be mafia just landlord. So there’s that

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players left

...I stand corrected, never mind.

Actually I still think Wilgy is a wolf, but I don't think he'd make the sig kill tbh
Problem is that I don't think he would've made the nutella kill, either, or at least not unless Davos would've remained in the game if Wilgy died. And I guess we'll never know if that was the case cause we already flipped Davos.

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