The Syndicate

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:23 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:05 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:33 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:14 pm If we're not voting lurkers because we want more info, I'd go for Abbi or Brad tbh, and if people are up for svs then I want a decent case on her.

If we're including lurkers, I'm fine with marmot and JOH because neither of them has produced any meaningful content.
How in the FUCK am I a lurker?
Read that again
I said, if I'm NOT voting lurkers.

Anyway, I voted Brad and you didn't comment on it
Pretty sure I've made it really obvious I think that's dumb

You did make it obvious that you think it's dumb, and yet you didn't do anything against it, either.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:24 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:06 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:27 pmWhy write a legacy to rehash what you've already said in thread.
Just sharing your role can help.
Can it? I can just lie lol
Yeah you can lie, but if you're town and you lie for no good reason, I would policy you in every game after that. Just saying.

If you're scum, feel free to lie, I expect as much.
Town like lie all the time but my point is there zero way to know if something is true or not so unless you have new info it's largely useless

If you lie when you're alive and intend to reveal the truth later on, that's fine. Especially in a game with flips. If you lie in your legacy in a flipless game and you're dead and can't speak, that's throwing. End of story, I am not arguing about this more with you because I can see you obviously don't care.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:24 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:07 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:43 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:27 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:24 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:23 pm I would also consider Abbi and svs as potential wagons

Abbi because I'm not at all convinced she's in town meta, I need more from her to reach that conclusion if she's town

Svs because I have exactly one reason to say she's towny, and it's that lazy lily vote, but I will acknowledge that it's not good enough to maintain a solid townread on her. I was hoping she'd ramp up on the solving but there's not much going on that I can see.

If it's not obvious, I'm throwing out names I want discussion on.
I don't get how I'm not in my town meta
Hmm, let's see.

The last two times I said you were in town meta, you were scum, so no. Clearly i have no idea what your town meta looks like anymore.
True and yet here we are with you calling me a wolf for meta when I'm in fact town
I'm not calling you a wolf for meta, I'm calling you "not town off meta" because I don't trust your claim on your own meta and I don't think you've been exceedingly towny. I don't think it matters, anyway, what your meta is because as I said already, I incorrectly meta read you twice in a row. I'm not doing that again.
And yet. Your reading me wrong.

Stop fucking misrepresenting my read on you. I am not going "Abbi is super scummy, kill Abbi ". I would've voted you if I thought that. I am saying you are a null at best, I do not townread you, I don't know if I scumread you, but you are grating on my nerves because every time you reply to me, you tell me I should read you as town because youre in your self-proclaimed town meta. I do not have any fucks to give about what you say your meta is, and whether you're in it or not. You're never, ever going to convince me that way. Do something more useful that I can actually read you off, or i will skip over your posts and keep you in the PoE for lack of a reason to reevaluate you. It's irritating as hell.

Anyway, I'm leaving and I don't plan to be back for EoD. I find it weird that several people were here when I voted Brad and nobody said anything at all about it, so that's worth noting. I don't know if it's the right vote, but at least it sort of worked as a reaction test, if you count lack of reactions as a reaction.

Whoever tf is in my PoE, if you're town, put in some effort to solve. And for some of you, start posting.

Going on and on about how you're town off your own meta is doing absolutely zero to convince me you're town, Abbi, and I don't know why you think it's somehow going to change my mind. It's not. Just go about doing your usual thing if you're town, and maybe I'll find you eventually. I'm not saying you're super scummy, but you're not in my townreads and I personally see no good reason why you should be there. You're a null at best, meaning PoE, because I am absolutely fine with killing anyone below my town line.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:43 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:27 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:24 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:23 pm I would also consider Abbi and svs as potential wagons

Abbi because I'm not at all convinced she's in town meta, I need more from her to reach that conclusion if she's town

Svs because I have exactly one reason to say she's towny, and it's that lazy lily vote, but I will acknowledge that it's not good enough to maintain a solid townread on her. I was hoping she'd ramp up on the solving but there's not much going on that I can see.

If it's not obvious, I'm throwing out names I want discussion on.
I don't get how I'm not in my town meta
Hmm, let's see.

The last two times I said you were in town meta, you were scum, so no. Clearly i have no idea what your town meta looks like anymore.
True and yet here we are with you calling me a wolf for meta when I'm in fact town

I'm not calling you a wolf for meta, I'm calling you "not town off meta" because I don't trust your claim on your own meta and I don't think you've been exceedingly towny. I don't think it matters, anyway, what your meta is because as I said already, I incorrectly meta read you twice in a row. I'm not doing that again.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:27 pmWhy write a legacy to rehash what you've already said in thread.
Just sharing your role can help.
Can it? I can just lie lol

Yeah you can lie, but if you're town and you lie for no good reason, I would policy you in every game after that. Just saying.

If you're scum, feel free to lie, I expect as much.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:33 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:14 pm If we're not voting lurkers because we want more info, I'd go for Abbi or Brad tbh, and if people are up for svs then I want a decent case on her.

If we're including lurkers, I'm fine with marmot and JOH because neither of them has produced any meaningful content.
How in the FUCK am I a lurker?

Read that again
I said, if I'm NOT voting lurkers.

Anyway, I voted Brad and you didn't comment on it

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:24 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:23 pm I would also consider Abbi and svs as potential wagons

Abbi because I'm not at all convinced she's in town meta, I need more from her to reach that conclusion if she's town

Svs because I have exactly one reason to say she's towny, and it's that lazy lily vote, but I will acknowledge that it's not good enough to maintain a solid townread on her. I was hoping she'd ramp up on the solving but there's not much going on that I can see.

If it's not obvious, I'm throwing out names I want discussion on.
I don't get how I'm not in my town meta

Hmm, let's see.

The last two times I said you were in town meta, you were scum, so no. Clearly i have no idea what your town meta looks like anymore.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine[

And town, ffs please write your roles in your legacies. If you did actions and/or got results, share them, please. If you're vanilla, then write that you're vanilla so there's no confusion. It's a flipless game and this is the closest we can get to gathering mech info.

I'm gonna place a vote in like 10 minutes because I'm tired of what feels like talking in circles

At this point I don't even care if anyone agrees with my choice of vote or not

It will be one of the names I mentioned that I'd consider voting, though

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:31 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:37 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:33 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:26 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 am

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?
Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?
Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)
But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?
I mean. Yeah. I don't really have an argument in response. I just feel like lack of legacy probably isn't that strong a tell overall.
Maybe it wouldn't normally be, but she was well aware that people were asking for her to be shot because she responded to them. I don't see why she would just not leave a legacy as town in a flipless game. I don't even care that she didn't leave legacy reads; she didn't tell us her role.
Absolutely zero of these day 1 legacies provided new and Intresting info except ig role claims. I'm town and I didn't write one lol

Yeah so, write your role in your legacy, sheesh. That's all I'm asking people to do. If you're not town you don't have to comply

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:27 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:11 am Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip
Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?
Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?
I'm town and I didn't write one till this morning cause I had no information.

Why write a legacy to rehash what you've already said in thread.

Because we don't fucking know if you have any role-relevant information to share?? Sharing it is pro-town, and we can't claim in the thread, so writing at least that much in your legacy like Scotty did is the next best thing.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:25 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:20 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:19 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:35 am
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:31 am cape is a reasonable kill, i will completely ignore cape's legacy now, and note that brad has dropped off

wwa, ignoring everything relating to lily, why aren't you gonna vote me?

i'd also like a full readslist from u
Partly for reasons I listed in an above response to you - I don't trust my ability to read you, and you did have some towny points on D1.

And then adding the lily thing on top of that just kinda reinforces the idea that I don't need to focus on you today.

I don't have a full readlist nor do I plan on writing one, most people are null or flipflopping in and out of my PoE for lack of a better place to put them.

I'm no longer confident in town!Brad, though, and he's dropped down to a null because his lack of engagement despite being present is kind of concerning. I think Abbi could be scum but I'm not confident on that read. I think you have a decent chance to be town but I'm not 100% on that take as I said. I probably still wouldn't touch Bereft even though I think he's fallen off a bit in activity. I also still think boq and Porscha are both town.

Feel free to ask me about specific names, I wanted to format a proper readlist last night but got too
Why am I scum?
Because I don't currently townread you
Great reasoning 10 out of 10

This is something I would say and than get called scum for saying

You can call me scum for it, I don't care. I don't actively scumread you but I think you have scum equity. I don't actively scumread anyone right now, so I'm operating off the "everyone who isn't towny is poe, including the nulls" plan.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:18 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:17 pm Wilgy and pyxxy are in a weird place for me where i don't think they're the scummiest of lurkers but I also don't see much from them. I get the feeling Wilgy could be town, but I remember him asking a couple of questions and less of a followup (might have just missed some responses if he actually did reply to everything). Pyxxy has been here, said something, I don't remember what, but it didn't ping me like their posts did in the two games where i correctly called them out as scum, so that's something, I guess. Still want more from him, but he's not my priority pick for today since there are worse slots.
Pyxxy subbed in for Seanzie and is still alive in the other current game. I'm willing to give them more time to get fully integrated.

Wilgy does not have those excuses.

Yeah, I know pyxxy is a sub, that's why I'm fine with letting him live for another day.

Do you have an opinion on Wilgy, or are you just saying he has no excuse not to be solving? I should probably ISO him to see exactly how much followup he did after asking for summaries of what happened because I mostly just remember him asking for a synopsis and then dipping again.

Wilgy and pyxxy are in a weird place for me where i don't think they're the scummiest of lurkers but I also don't see much from them. I get the feeling Wilgy could be town, but I remember him asking a couple of questions and less of a followup (might have just missed some responses if he actually did reply to everything). Pyxxy has been here, said something, I don't remember what, but it didn't ping me like their posts did in the two games where i correctly called them out as scum, so that's something, I guess. Still want more from him, but he's not my priority pick for today since there are worse slots.

If we're not voting lurkers because we want more info, I'd go for Abbi or Brad tbh, and if people are up for svs then I want a decent case on her.

If we're including lurkers, I'm fine with marmot and JOH because neither of them has produced any meaningful content.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:55 pm my eyes are on lime coke tbh

Mine too
He dropped off hard after last night imo

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:51 pm i forgot marmot is playing lol

You can't really calling playing tbh

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:51 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:22 pm bereft/brad/porscha/ender (0)
cape/abbie/wwa (1 max)
svs
boq/nook
jack/wigly/pyxxy/marmot (null)
lily/long con
bereft/long con/porscha/ender/wwa (town)
boq/nook
svs
jack/wigly/pyxxy/marmot (null)
abbie/brad

Why did I get moved from a pool of players with 1 wolf to "town"?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:16 pm Is there any reason why JOH shouldn't be a wagon today?

I know there was like one potential derp but I don't know if it was a slip of any sort. I am aware he said he didn't have much time to invest in the game and that he'd sheep someone if they pinged him to vote, and so far nobody has pinged him to vote and taken him up on the offer.

It's not that I think lack of investment is scummy, but I don't really like that he's still a slot that has made absolutely no reads or probably even looked at the flipped legacies.
Marmot is undoubtedly the wolfiest afk player for me right now

I forgot about marmot tbh
He can go in my list as a shrugyeet

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:02 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:11 am Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip
Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?
I mean unless lily had god reads*, I think there's probably just better shots this game quite frankly. Even if there's a "can only vengeful people on your wagon" stipulation I'm still not sure that's the best scum shot when you're there too and a bigger impact/harder miskill, in this game at least.

*which tbf is possible, lily is a good player! But the odds say probably not, just in terms of pure probability.
Why do people say I'm a hard miskill? I usually roll over and die at the slightest pressure.

I think I'd kill Lily there tbh.

You mean if you were a wolf and lily was town? Or in Scotty's situation?

I would also consider Abbi and svs as potential wagons

Abbi because I'm not at all convinced she's in town meta, I need more from her to reach that conclusion if she's town

Svs because I have exactly one reason to say she's towny, and it's that lazy lily vote, but I will acknowledge that it's not good enough to maintain a solid townread on her. I was hoping she'd ramp up on the solving but there's not much going on that I can see.

If it's not obvious, I'm throwing out names I want discussion on.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:16 pm also i currently have a fairly strong read that long con is town right now

I concur with this

Is there any reason why JOH shouldn't be a wagon today?

I know there was like one potential derp but I don't know if it was a slip of any sort. I am aware he said he didn't have much time to invest in the game and that he'd sheep someone if they pinged him to vote, and so far nobody has pinged him to vote and taken him up on the offer.

It's not that I think lack of investment is scummy, but I don't really like that he's still a slot that has made absolutely no reads or probably even looked at the flipped legacies.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:06 pm Think my WindwardAway vote from yesterday was a bust, but its pointless blaming myself given the information I had at the time.

I don't blame you for it tbh
I don't really feel like I can blame most people for their votes on D1, especially not in a flipless game, but I still think Scotty was town and lily mightve been a hit because of her vote and lack of legacy.
This game is going to be volatile well into the endgame, whenever that happens, because of the lack of confirmable flips. It's interesting because I've played open setup flipless before, and plenty of closed setup games with flips, but rarely a closed setup flipless, and never one with open night phases (which I greatly appreciate because I like to solve then too).

Speaking of which, I need to get my act together and make sure I vote before I sleep in a couple of hours, otherwise if I accidentally oversleep the deadline by about 4 minutes like I did on D1 it's going to be really bad.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:55 pm

welcome to my whimsical brain tbh @robyn

This has made me realize I don't recognize half the pfps in this game, smh

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:47 pm I just thought of something, and it needs to be shared in the interest of fairness. You need to know that I can see invisible people logged in, at the bottom of my screen. This is a function of my role as member of the Graphic Design team here.

There might be reasons why a player would want to turn invisible, to seem like they're not present in order to read up without getting called out. Or whatever. Just know that I can see you if you are logged in. If you wish to truly be undetected, then you must Log Out and read the thread.

I myself stay invisible all the time. As town or wolf, playing or social talkin'. I will not judge your alignment based on invisibility, because ya can't judge mine!

Just occurred to me that it should be known.

Personally idrc, I'm sure it matters to other people but I rarely ever lurk without saying something, so I make my presence known (except like one time I think I fell asleep while reading the thread lol). But thanks!

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:17 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:09 pm I don't get why you agree with me that lily was scum for not leaving a legacy when she was definitely aware she risked dying by Scott's hand, but everyone else is just like "maybe she's town and she forgot". Am I missing something?
This game is bereft of information. At some point, we are going to have to decide what the meager information we do have is telling us. I have decided that I believe Lily was a Wolf, and the lack of legacy fits that idea, to me.

Yeah, I meant I don't get why other people disagree that it makes her a wolf.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:25 pm And arguing with myself doesn't seem like a fun prospect but I just thought of something.

Won't Wolf mates tell each other to make sure to have good legacies ready?

Maybe it is a lot more likely that a town Lily would neglect an early legacy because she has nothing to prove or deceive. And no one to prod her to do it.

Not necessarily. I've seen some wolves not leave legacies when they definitely had the option to, so I guess it depends on the player. If this weren't flipless, I'd have a different stance, but if lily's town then she neglected to write her role in her legacy which I think is kind of antitown because there's literally no info to go off, other than that she knew she would very likely be shot by Scotty and still didn't leave a legacy.

I don't get why you agree with me that lily was scum for not leaving a legacy when she was definitely aware she risked dying by Scott's hand, but everyone else is just like "maybe she's town and she forgot". Am I missing something?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:59 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:51 pm "Nook is a higher poster" is something I never expected to see

I think cape was mostly townread, too, right? Or was there still a substantial number of people sussing him?
I don't recall a lot of suspicion, but he wasn't the Most Townread in the game either. Maybe he just got killed because he's town, and nothing more.

That's possible, I guess. I was townreading him but it was off meta reasons that I didn't really have a solid way to explain. I think I said several times that I thought he was towny and never elaborated lol.

It is possible his readlist posed a threat, but as you pointed out, I guess that would make it more likely there's scum in the lowposters if that's true. I'm fairly sure we have at least one wolf there, mainly because a lot of people have been staying out of the heated discussions and not even commenting on them, and if most of those discussions are driven by town, wolves won't want to be involved.

Idk, maybe my expectations of how a wolf would vote before going to bed are not actually how a wolf would vote before going to bed, lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:54 pm Lily was a wolf. We don't have flips, so we have to use less-concrete evidence and make some decisions, or we are not going to be able to make any useful connections.

She had no legacy because she was not town, and they were hoping Scotty wouldn't listen to robyn and I. He probably didn't listen anyway, but was always planning on taking lily out. Who knows?

Lily is a wolf, she voted to take out Town Scotty on Day one, and so did Abi and bereft. Do the wolves stick together on votes more or less in a flipless? No idea. I'd like to say this makes bereft and Abi less likely to be wolves but I don't know.

Lily the wolf voted last. At the time, was there another player in danger of becoming the lead? She may have saved someone.

S~V~S voted off-wagon, for Lily. Now that we know Lily was a wolf, this puts S~V~S in a highly suspicious place - she's a wolf partner who saw easy mild cred for voting a teammate on Day 1? Although, flipless, that matters a great deal less because the cred dissipates when the alignment is unsure. Still, I don't know that wolf S~V~S would consider that, plus who knows what abilities might be out there that will reveal some alignments before long?

If we assume lily was a wolf, I wouldn't say svs's vote definitely gives her towncred. The main reason I thought it was towny had nothing to do with the vote target, it was just a very hasty and lazy vote as I saw it, and svs has since said that she made it before going to bed and didn't think very hard about it, which basically confirms what I thought.

The going to bed part isn't AI, but I would've thought a wolf would discuss with partners in scumchat and strategically vote instead of tossing a vote for flimsy reasons on someone who was unlikely to become a wagon.

Why am I not paired with lily? @EnderWiggin
Is it just because I've been ragging on her for not leaving a legacy, or what? I barely interacted with her yesterday, I focused instead on Porscha, boq and Robyn and the only time I interacted with lily was to agree about the one Robyn thing (when she quoted Robyn's posts where Robyn tried to save Scotty by voting Nook, and I said that it was a good case for w!Robyn because it showed that w!Robyn would be aware that it was more to town's benefit to keep Nook alive, so they would vote Nook and manipulate votes to kill Scotty)

And I've since dropped that take. I actually do buy the theory that the ghost votes were random or semi-random and meant to encourage people to use their votes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:43 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:47 pmTOWN:

WWA
Boq
Porscha
Lime Coke
Princess Abigail

LIGHT TOWN:

Bereft
lilypetal
S~V~S
EnderWiggin

LIGHT WOLF:

DrWigly
robyn
JOH2005
NANOOK

1 WOLF:

Marmot
Long Con (one between him and Marmot and yes this is a wagon read)

then the only one i missed is pyxxy which right now Idk.

Cape90's Legacy reads:
"If you are reading this I am dead. I am town, I have given out a coffee bean from a prize.
TOWN:
Boquise
WWA
LimeCoke
Princess Abigail
probs Porscha
probs lilypetal

I wanna say one of Long Con or Marmot are scum but not both for voting Bereft N1. If so probs spews Bereft town.
Sort the rest, I am least confident in ALL of my townreads on S~V~S"
So that's Cape's last post and legacy. Wolves knew what the legacy would look like, as it's pretty much identical to what he said in the thread. So, couple of options.

One, the wolves feared his reads and killed him because of it. That places Long Con, Marmot, DrWigly, robyn, JOH2005, and NANOOK under suspicion. Mostly a weak list, because Marmot, Wilgy, and Jack are low-posters. NANOOK is a higher poster, but still in the low half. Unless all the wolves are in that list, I don't believe this is why he was killed. No one is scared to lose the slanker on their wolf team; you bus the slanker for cred. Robyn is the standout name there, I would call her Cape's one true suspicion. Kinda hiding in blah-town in Cape's readslist though, I hardly think she felt all that threatened... a point bolstered by the fact that she didn't even make his Legacy.

Second option is that this kill is intended to send us off in the wrong direction: we are supposed to take to heart that Cape's reads were good, and start eliminating players based on that. I believe this option is what actually happened. If it were just a legacy, who knows, but Cape's reads were Right Out There, easy for wolves to say "that's our guy, we want those reads certified by Cape's death."

"Nook is a higher poster" is something I never expected to see

I think cape was mostly townread, too, right? Or was there still a substantial number of people sussing him?

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:03 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:55 am Alright, ya'll. Here's the deal.

I'm not in a position to play well in this game. Open nights and no flips make things hard to begin with. Multitabling in a mash makes things significantly worse.

So what's gonna happen is that I'm gonna sheep people who ping me. I'm going to look at specific things that specific players ask me to look at. You can try to guide my ass into helping the town. You can try to catch mafia manipulating me into helping them. But I'm not gonna be super helpful on my own until my schedule clears up.

I don't wanna replace out because I like Rondo and I like alternative setups and I also think that I'm the kinda player who can do fuck all for three day phases, come in and do a ton of effort on D4 and actually help the town. If you wanna yeet me before that, that's understandable but here's hoping schedules work out or a friend decides to lead me to water.
I feel you.
I am tripletabling. And I absolutely hate multitabling so I am in pain

I'm also multitabling and trying to keep up with everything at once
I should probably stop doing this, though

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:35 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:33 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:34 am Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that
The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.
Yeah, I pointed that out a couple of times. I meant ill make sure to vote on time so that we have full voting power and not (possibly random, possibly controlled) ghost votes deciding the Elim.
Wait. Town using their votes is a good idea???

*Pikachu face*

Considering there was one more vote on Porscha than Scotty when the three ghost votes pushed Scotty over, and we had five people including myself not voting at all, we mightve had a different outcome if all nonvoters had voted.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:33 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:26 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:11 am Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip
Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?
Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?
Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)
But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?
I mean. Yeah. I don't really have an argument in response. I just feel like lack of legacy probably isn't that strong a tell overall.

Maybe it wouldn't normally be, but she was well aware that people were asking for her to be shot because she responded to them. I don't see why she would just not leave a legacy as town in a flipless game. I don't even care that she didn't leave legacy reads; she didn't tell us her role.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:33 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:34 am Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that
The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.

Yeah, I pointed that out a couple of times. I meant ill make sure to vote on time so that we have full voting power and not (possibly random, possibly controlled) ghost votes deciding the Elim.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:26 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:11 am Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip
Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?
Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?
Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)

But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:11 am Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip
Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:25 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:38 am Oh yeah, Ender is also in my townreads and I still think svs is more likely town, probably with some scum jumping on her.

Most other players I don't have a read on because they haven't posted enough content for me to gauge their alignment.
So Brad is bad for being here but not engaged but ender is good for being here and providing substantially less meaningful content

I disagree, Ender provided content in his few posts and Brad's readlist doesn't feel right.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:20 am Why me fry me

Also I think it's disingenuous to say Bread isn't doing much or engaged

He's doing stuff but he was not engaged in the discussion between boq/Porscha or lily/Robyn that were happening simultaneously. I was there and commenting on everything, Brad was there and memeing. I get that it's a Brad thing, but he was in the exact position scum would want to be in if the Porscha/boq debate was t/t.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:19 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:35 am
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:31 am cape is a reasonable kill, i will completely ignore cape's legacy now, and note that brad has dropped off

wwa, ignoring everything relating to lily, why aren't you gonna vote me?

i'd also like a full readslist from u
Partly for reasons I listed in an above response to you - I don't trust my ability to read you, and you did have some towny points on D1.

And then adding the lily thing on top of that just kinda reinforces the idea that I don't need to focus on you today.

I don't have a full readlist nor do I plan on writing one, most people are null or flipflopping in and out of my PoE for lack of a better place to put them.

I'm no longer confident in town!Brad, though, and he's dropped down to a null because his lack of engagement despite being present is kind of concerning. I think Abbi could be scum but I'm not confident on that read. I think you have a decent chance to be town but I'm not 100% on that take as I said. I probably still wouldn't touch Bereft even though I think he's fallen off a bit in activity. I also still think boq and Porscha are both town.

Feel free to ask me about specific names, I wanted to format a proper readlist last night but got too
Why am I scum?

Because I don't currently townread you

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:46 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:52 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:00 am
Night 1 Vote
Seanzie/pyxxy (3 votes) - pyxxy, EnderWiggin, Princess Abigail
Bereft (2 votes) - Long Con, Marmot
Long Con (1 votes) - Cape90, Porscha
DrWilgy (1 vote) - S~V~S
S~V~S (1 vote) - DrWilgy
lilypetal (1 vote) - robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1 vote) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Did not vote (5 votes) - JackofHearts2005, Boquise, WindwardAway, Lime Coke, Bereft, Lilypetal

@Long Con do you know why you only had one vote in the night poll when two people voted for you? I'm not shading you here; I think maybe I was paranoid of you, you having fooled me the last two games we played.
No, I assume it's a typo? @Justplayingitcool

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:58 am Also, the Spooky Announcement appears to be about you, Long Con. "Cerberus Con" in the village of Lostpedia, lol.
Indeed!

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:18 am I'm booooooored

Someone kill long con
Sure, let's do that. No one cares if you're bored, chief.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:27 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:09 am Also also also

WWA I think asked about why I don't think vote manip is scum sided or whatever

My reason is that I think the vote manip is the semi bastard mechanic and that it is designed to encourage all players to vote and vote in the correct and valid way that Rondo has set up.

I think it's ***likely*** randed and Scotty just got hella unlikely if it's not why would wolfs throw a bunch of useless votes on vanity wagons. I suppose you could say it's too play wifom games "these people got votes so they are town or scum" but... meh just doesn't add up to me
I also considered that, actually. I even talked about it, but I didn't consider that it could be randomized. The only reason why I didn't think it was related to the 5 of us who didn't vote is because there were 6 ghost votes and not 5, but maybe there's always one ghost vote and then an additional one for each nonvoter.

Also, did we have to vote at night? I assumed it was optional

Anyway, I decided I'm not voting Robyn today. I'm considering Long Con as a contender for "not particularly towny" but I want to hear his defense. Also have other people I'd consider, but I'll talk about them later.
LOL my defense against what?

Your defense against why you shouldn't be a wagon today
I'm curious because you've definitely seen more than one player say they'd be willing to vote you

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:40 am i'm well within wolf range, and i'm gonna hold a 100% townread on schweppes/bereft, can you elaborate on boq and svs

i'm also fairly confident in ender being town

I talked about boq earlier. I think the way he described how Porsche was coming across and why her behavior seemed wolfy pinpointed my exact interpretation of it, but in a much better way. It felt nuanced enough to be towny. In the end I disagreed with his conclusion because I decided Porscha was town, but I don't disagree with boq's methodology or observations. I can see all of that coming from town who thinks they're on the right track and is working off small details that they normally catch wolves for.

Svs i don't have much elaboration on, it's just what I said before about her nonchalant vote on lily being so bad that it probably came from town (when she said it's between marmot and lily, but marmot said he had wifi issues, so she would vote lily instead). Like, I don't think svs would be oblivious to the risk that she would get widely wolfread for how bad that vote was in a game where votes are locked.

Oh yeah, Ender is also in my townreads and I still think svs is more likely town, probably with some scum jumping on her.

Most other players I don't have a read on because they haven't posted enough content for me to gauge their alignment.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:35 am
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:31 am cape is a reasonable kill, i will completely ignore cape's legacy now, and note that brad has dropped off

wwa, ignoring everything relating to lily, why aren't you gonna vote me?

i'd also like a full readslist from u
Partly for reasons I listed in an above response to you - I don't trust my ability to read you, and you did have some towny points on D1.

And then adding the lily thing on top of that just kinda reinforces the idea that I don't need to focus on you today.

I don't have a full readlist nor do I plan on writing one, most people are null or flipflopping in and out of my PoE for lack of a better place to put them.

I'm no longer confident in town!Brad, though, and he's dropped down to a null because his lack of engagement despite being present is kind of concerning. I think Abbi could be scum but I'm not confident on that read. I think you have a decent chance to be town but I'm not 100% on that take as I said. I probably still wouldn't touch Bereft even though I think he's fallen off a bit in activity. I also still think boq and Porscha are both town.

Feel free to ask me about specific names, I wanted to format a proper readlist last night but got too

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lazy to do it because I've been playing on mobile and didn't feel like copy/pasting the player list and rearranging shit.

Lol I accidentally hit submit, my bad.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:31 am cape is a reasonable kill, i will completely ignore cape's legacy now, and note that brad has dropped off

wwa, ignoring everything relating to lily, why aren't you gonna vote me?

i'd also like a full readslist from u

Partly for reasons I listed in an above response to you - I don't trust my ability to read you, and you did have some towny points on D1.

And then adding the lily thing on top of that just kinda reinforces the idea that I don't need to focus on you today.

I don't have a full readlist nor do I plan on writing one, most people are null or flipflopping in and out of my PoE for lack of a better place to put them.

I'm no longer confident in town!Brad, though, and he's dropped down to a null because his lack of engagement despite being present is kind of concerning. I think Abbi could be scum but I'm not confident on that read. I think you have a decent chance to be town but I'm not 100% on that take as I said. I probably still wouldn't touch Bereft even though I think he's fallen off a bit in activity. I also still think boq and Porscha are both town.

Feel free to ask me about specific names, I wanted to format a proper readlist last night but got too

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:18 am I'm booooooored

Someone kill long con

I'm considering that maybe boq is right, in that Long Con paid more attention to and engaged with the discussion than most of the rest of you

But I have yet to determine if it can still be wolfy or not, I'll have to read it again later and follow up.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:46 am oh and it is Long Con, not Long Coke lmao

Nvm, I see your answer lol

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