The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:59 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:48 pm Alright I won't vote wind today bc it will be a bigger loss if she is town bc she is solving and leading. We can determine if that's powerwolfing after more flips

And if she's wolf I now think she's more likely tmiing neon than saving her maybe. If she's town I can follow the read for today

So that all combined with letting up on Kate/SVS (though I still don't feel great about SVS) and with falcon still not really doing anything inspiring

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine
Yeah but I'm solving and leading cause I'm gonna be mostly afk from Thursday through Sunday lol
ALSO if you have time, after Windwards ISO is open, and you searched for Neon, search THOSE results for Nutella.

I know everyone things "post post post MORE" but it's also easier to lose things people said three calendar days ago when they have a hundred posts a day.

I get a lot of complaints about my iso that it's wolfy to make people read my posts, so if it helps I can just completely quit posting today, cold turkey lol

I don't think that's beneficial for me but if you want to mine my existing iso I can just shut up and only make vote posts

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:54 am Sorry sorry sorry, for the super gigantic ugly post. I got lost in an ISO, and it was easier to make one big post than several smaller, and my spoiler tagging always seems to break.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:35 am Kate had SVS dead to absolute rights the last game they both played. Remember? Literally saw through her like she was a complete noob. It was godly.

Kate will not be wrong on SVS if she is town. If SVS is mafia Kate is not town Kate is mafia.

Kate MAYBE pocketing SVS. But I would expect SVS to have at least humoured the thought given the situation we find ourselves in.

They are either wolves or they are town with absolutely disgustingly good meta reads on each other. If they are t/w I will be ... mildly annoyed at the town between them lol.

But seriously I am very confident it's not t/t.

The more I talk the more I am convincing myself especially that Nutella only dies over 1 of them if they are both mafia tbh. We are on day 3 and have had SVS and Kate mason town locking each other. Kate who BREAKS wolf teams with her soul reads. Zero wolf flips and both alive?
When Kate tries to pocket me, she's very tentative not bold. She upped her wolf game overall in Scooby Doo, but not like this. Initially, I can fool her longer than she can fool me, but not much longer. She reads my meta better than I read hers, she can pick out stylistic differences I miss (and I mean this for everyone, not just me, she notices things like grammar and smiley usage. It's scary).

And you're over analyzing, it's why you have problems reading me, her, other old timey peeps. We're more chaos players and aren't very formulaic. It's easier to imagine worlds where we're bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:12 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:46 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:35 am Waiting for the "haha no you're definitely a wolf PR" rebuttal like I usually get
If I'm lucky it'll actually stir up something spicy
Haha no you're definitely a wolf PR
Neon why are you voting the counterwagon to someone you called a wolf PR?
Who was she voting for?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:37 am Why is Kate voting Pyxxy over Dennis?

@S~V~S are you absolutely sure Kate is town?
As above, yes.

Now you answer a question for me. When you lied to me the other day, when you were happy posting; (I saw someone else, Dennis I think, make a remark about dropping the schtick, and he stopped doing what he had been doing) and towards the end of that day you stopped doing it, were you compelled to happy post, where you doing it for shits and giggles, or is it a you cannot say thing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:34 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:23 pm Actually I want to know what @MacDougall has to say, too, since he also had falcon as scum and I'm pretty sure he tried to convince me of it
I am voting you and I am not unvoting you.
Why did this unhappen? From subsequent posts, you seem to still think Windward is bad, or at least thats the tone your're taking with her.

I also want you to tell me what are your thoughts on how day 2 ended, with Windward seemingly going to the walls to save Neon, resulting in Falcons yeet? You throw out a lot of different scenarios, and it can be hard for me to follow your train of thought. You're more of a big picture guy, I tend to focus on individuals.

I read Windward for Neon mentions, and Day One she quoted this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:34 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:37 pm I've decided to build a town core.

Lilypetal
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

Yeah that's the stuff right there...
Interesting
Since Windward has accused me and someone else I noticed but don't recall who os sheeping them, so I wasn't sure what interesting meant in this context.

I read her Day Two re Neon, and her progression is really interesting.

She starts out with this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:00 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:17 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:44 am

That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you
hmmm
Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well
Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would
I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town
Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway
Goes to this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:28 pm I know it is early in the day, but I am worried about the current gamestate, and based off it, I think I'm already a reasonable candidate for elim today, and I kind of doubt that is going to change (many people who can be heavy hitters are on the sidelines, and if that remains true, this threadstate will not significantly change by EoD).

Currently though the people pushing me are doing so with nothing. Nutella has "vibes" and "Mac and TSP" stuff. Kate is sheeping this, and WWA because I am different than a game which I played in a very different way than I usually play.

Can y'all help me encourage these people to actually come at me? If I'm a wolf, they have prime opporunities to spew themselves town on me, and if I'm town and we currently sleepwalk into a Seanzie elim with these sorts of cases, y'all don't learn anything from my flip.
why aren't you pushing neon today?
I cannot recall any feeling I've had towards Neon or anything they've done, so mostly they just aren't on my mind. I know you quoted a post where I said something about Neon, but clearly it wasn't that important to me since I don't remember making it or what I was feeling when I made it.
Well that's disappointing.
And is willing to vote pretty much anyone by EOD to save Neon.

I'm not going to quote Windwards whole ISO; but if you have time, open her ISO, search it for Neon, and read Day Two

I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Bai! Work calls!

Oh and to reply to the rest of this:

Idc how wolfy this sounds, full disclosure i had Neon as town on D1 and iirc a single post made me doubt that read but I couldn't remember exactly what it was when I said that she was PoE for me, and tbh i still don't remember. And instead of isoing neon to find the post that made me think she could be wolfing, I just waited for her to post something in the thread to get a feel for where my read should be and I pulled her out of my PoE again very fast. And no, I didn't mention any of this in the thread because I think it's completely embarrassing and dumb that I sometimes take notes on my reads but in that case I didn't. I haven't written down anything at all in this game.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:54 am Sorry sorry sorry, for the super gigantic ugly post. I got lost in an ISO, and it was easier to make one big post than several smaller, and my spoiler tagging always seems to break.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:35 am Kate had SVS dead to absolute rights the last game they both played. Remember? Literally saw through her like she was a complete noob. It was godly.

Kate will not be wrong on SVS if she is town. If SVS is mafia Kate is not town Kate is mafia.

Kate MAYBE pocketing SVS. But I would expect SVS to have at least humoured the thought given the situation we find ourselves in.

They are either wolves or they are town with absolutely disgustingly good meta reads on each other. If they are t/w I will be ... mildly annoyed at the town between them lol.

But seriously I am very confident it's not t/t.

The more I talk the more I am convincing myself especially that Nutella only dies over 1 of them if they are both mafia tbh. We are on day 3 and have had SVS and Kate mason town locking each other. Kate who BREAKS wolf teams with her soul reads. Zero wolf flips and both alive?
When Kate tries to pocket me, she's very tentative not bold. She upped her wolf game overall in Scooby Doo, but not like this. Initially, I can fool her longer than she can fool me, but not much longer. She reads my meta better than I read hers, she can pick out stylistic differences I miss (and I mean this for everyone, not just me, she notices things like grammar and smiley usage. It's scary).

And you're over analyzing, it's why you have problems reading me, her, other old timey peeps. We're more chaos players and aren't very formulaic. It's easier to imagine worlds where we're bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:12 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:46 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:35 am Waiting for the "haha no you're definitely a wolf PR" rebuttal like I usually get
If I'm lucky it'll actually stir up something spicy
Haha no you're definitely a wolf PR
Neon why are you voting the counterwagon to someone you called a wolf PR?
Who was she voting for?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:37 am Why is Kate voting Pyxxy over Dennis?

@S~V~S are you absolutely sure Kate is town?
As above, yes.

Now you answer a question for me. When you lied to me the other day, when you were happy posting; (I saw someone else, Dennis I think, make a remark about dropping the schtick, and he stopped doing what he had been doing) and towards the end of that day you stopped doing it, were you compelled to happy post, where you doing it for shits and giggles, or is it a you cannot say thing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:34 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:23 pm Actually I want to know what @MacDougall has to say, too, since he also had falcon as scum and I'm pretty sure he tried to convince me of it
I am voting you and I am not unvoting you.
Why did this unhappen? From subsequent posts, you seem to still think Windward is bad, or at least thats the tone your're taking with her.

I also want you to tell me what are your thoughts on how day 2 ended, with Windward seemingly going to the walls to save Neon, resulting in Falcons yeet? You throw out a lot of different scenarios, and it can be hard for me to follow your train of thought. You're more of a big picture guy, I tend to focus on individuals.

I read Windward for Neon mentions, and Day One she quoted this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:34 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:37 pm I've decided to build a town core.

Lilypetal
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

Yeah that's the stuff right there...
Interesting
Since Windward has accused me and someone else I noticed but don't recall who os sheeping them, so I wasn't sure what interesting meant in this context.

I read her Day Two re Neon, and her progression is really interesting.

She starts out with this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:00 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:17 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:44 am

That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you
hmmm
Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well
Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would
I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town
Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway
Goes to this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:28 pm I know it is early in the day, but I am worried about the current gamestate, and based off it, I think I'm already a reasonable candidate for elim today, and I kind of doubt that is going to change (many people who can be heavy hitters are on the sidelines, and if that remains true, this threadstate will not significantly change by EoD).

Currently though the people pushing me are doing so with nothing. Nutella has "vibes" and "Mac and TSP" stuff. Kate is sheeping this, and WWA because I am different than a game which I played in a very different way than I usually play.

Can y'all help me encourage these people to actually come at me? If I'm a wolf, they have prime opporunities to spew themselves town on me, and if I'm town and we currently sleepwalk into a Seanzie elim with these sorts of cases, y'all don't learn anything from my flip.
why aren't you pushing neon today?
I cannot recall any feeling I've had towards Neon or anything they've done, so mostly they just aren't on my mind. I know you quoted a post where I said something about Neon, but clearly it wasn't that important to me since I don't remember making it or what I was feeling when I made it.
Well that's disappointing.
And is willing to vote pretty much anyone by EOD to save Neon.

I'm not going to quote Windwards whole ISO; but if you have time, open her ISO, search it for Neon, and read Day Two

I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Bai! Work calls!

Neon was voting pyxxy whom Ive also been pushing

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:35 am Kate had SVS dead to absolute rights the last game they both played. Remember? Literally saw through her like she was a complete noob. It was godly.

Kate will not be wrong on SVS if she is town. If SVS is mafia Kate is not town Kate is mafia.

Kate MAYBE pocketing SVS. But I would expect SVS to have at least humoured the thought given the situation we find ourselves in.

They are either wolves or they are town with absolutely disgustingly good meta reads on each other. If they are t/w I will be ... mildly annoyed at the town between them lol.

But seriously I am very confident it's not t/t.

The more I talk the more I am convincing myself especially that Nutella only dies over 1 of them if they are both mafia tbh. We are on day 3 and have had SVS and Kate mason town locking each other. Kate who BREAKS wolf teams with her soul reads. Zero wolf flips and both alive?

You mean not w/w? You said not t/t but it sounds like you wee implying they are, just trying to make sure I understood right

No mac you aren't seeing this clearly if you think I'm a wolf over pyxxy

Fucking spotty internet
OK fr i will elaborate on this later by continuing to scream that pyxxy spent last game townreading and offering to sheep me the entire time I was pushing on him when he was wofling

Fucking spotty internet
OK fr i will elaborate on this later by continuing to scream that pyxxy spent last game townreading and offering to sheep me the entire time I was pushing on him when he was wofling

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:20 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:18 am I think pyxxy is mafia because of his last game with me where I also thought he was mafia and he was mafia
I know you are a whip smart human being and I know that you know false equivalences like this are not persuasive nor valid.

Show me how they are similar?

Explain why Pyxxy is hard townreading you under this pressure instead of trying to dome you?

BECAUSE HE FUCKING DID THIS IN THE OTHER GAME TOO

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:18 am For Pyxxy to be mafia likely requires SVS/Kate to be t/w and I frankly don't believe it. They are God read shielding each other. Their reads on each other ate verifiably sheepable. They won't be wrong. If one is town the other is. They are either wolves power shielding or t/t.

No, I don't buy this, because I fooled someone who was dead certain I was locktown off meta and we hard shielded each other but we were T/W
It absolutely happens, I think the townie would've sacrificed themselves over me
Disclaimer we did not have 15 years of meta on each other but my point is *occasionally* people will surprise you and break meta if they know what you tend to look for.

Like what else do you want me to say
I literally have been saying for days that pyxxy skated by with doing barely anything as a wolf in the champs practice game and only I pushed him for two days, then neon took up the mantle after I died but neon got voted out instead of pyxxy in lylo

I think pyxxy is mafia because of his last game with me where I also thought he was mafia and he was mafia

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:17 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:15 am Ok I'm almost at Stonehenge so ttyl
I can either come back and powerwolf or I can sit back and let you guys vote the wrong wagon again
This is very wolfy ate. Why are you so sure Pyxxy is mafia?

Why is it even AtE I've been trying to post that for a hot minute but phone reception out here is ass
I was being sarcastic but like I'm on a day trip so I won't be back for a while

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:15 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm @MacDougall what I was more trying to ask is what do you find about SVS that is scummy because in Cosmere she was mostly afk wolfing after D1/D2 (iirc) and I didn't find her in my spec chat escapades with Scotty so I feel like I'm down to sr her being normal because I don't have a better baseline

@Dennis feel free to chime in here too
I prolly have almost as many posts here as I did there already lol

But Cosmere wasn’t the norm for me, I had a death in the family and was totally AFK for 4 days then only really answered my @s and maybe one or two posts a day. Robyn carried me.

So that game is a bad baseline to use for me tbh
"So that game is a bad baseline to use for me tbh"
That's what I was trying to say, I could have been clearer, sorry. Didn't want you to have to reexplain I remembered the situation. Sorry again.
If Pyxxy is mafia it is in a very specific world where SVS is nearly lock mafia. The other one probably would be TSP or ... again ... Dr fucken Wilgy.

I would buy a pyxxy/svs/Wilgy team
Will talk about it more later bbl

Ok nvm i see posts but it's raining out here so I'll catch up later lol

Is my internet back

Ok I'm almost at Stonehenge so ttyl
I can either come back and powerwolf or I can sit back and let you guys vote the wrong wagon again

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:51 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:45 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:11 am I see Dennis has yet to vote. I consider that outing.

Pick the wolf between Seanzie and Wilgy.

I think WWA is a wolf but i would actually prefer we go to the above 3 right now simply due to WWA level of effort and my earlier vibe read.

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
the guy who hasn't showed up in like an entire day not voting is outing? lol
I think the guy skating by on his mother's read and doing nothing exactly the same way he abused a town read when we wolfed together is pretty outing honestly
ah well when you put it that way lol...... it doesnt look good

but I stand by the idea that he wouldn't have voted if he didnt come back to thread

whatever not coming back to thread means for his alignment is up for debate. I didn't find him particularly wolfy before, but his eod was objectively not good. but what are the chances both him and pyxxy biff the eod that drastically and both neglect thread the following day as w/w? idk i'm about to just start pre flipping pyxxy in my head even if I need to vote off him today lol if he isn't gonna play then he isn't much of a threat anyway

there's just no chance wolves are sitting back doing nothing today? or maybe they are and mac is right. pain

If we have a lowposting wolf team then tbh they will be very, very hard to catch
Every time I've seen it happen, town lost the game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:49 am Sheep me today or vote me out and sheep me tomorrow. Y'all are savagely in need of it.

I'm voting pyxxy out today and sheeping you tomorrow
I'm probably not voting you out and I trust my priorities over yours today

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:45 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:39 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:20 am Like you were literally in thread at that time wwa. If you're having trouble where to look, as it seems to me from your poor attempt at convincing sean I've been wolfy, then just flip pyxxy so we can look for associatives and move the hell on.

Nobody is doing anything productive so far and the gamestate is getting on my nerves (though I welcome not needing to catch up on 10 pages in 1 sitting)

Hope this helps your delusion that I tried pocketing you btw
I'm on pyxxy anyway
Like I said, I'm vote parking on him
Idk why you don't just call me a wolf and vote me cause that's exactly what svs is doing and I also accused her of trying to pocket me earlier, I mean, imo scumreading me seems slightly more natural of a reaction than townreading me but maybe my expectations are wack
I dont know what wolf you is like but if it's like 75% or more of this i'm never finding you
and I dont need to call you a wolf when I don't think you are one. if you are wolfing then my towncore will be in shambles

It depends on the setup and my time commitment and motivation lol
Sometimes I go all out and power wolf
Like 25% of the time
The other 75% of the time I die on D1 for being the most obvious wolf ever
I mean i get pushed in every D1 regardless of alignment but I handle it differently cause I don't think about how I react lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:38 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:16 am I think there is one between Sean and Wilgy and I'd lean like 80% Wilgy over Sean.

One or two between Kate/SVS/WWA/Dennis. Kate and SVS shielding each other likely makes them same alignment. I don't see Kate or SVS as being same to WWA or Dennis. WWA and Dennis I don't have a comment on their sameness.

Porscha and Neon are probably just both town. Contextually in this analysis TSP is just a wildcard. I wish he would just clear himself by solving the game for me but until then I have to just scumread him sadly.

I think in Wilgy wolf worlds we are more likely in WWA w and Kate/SVS t worlds. In Seanzie w worlds we are probably in Kate/SVS w world.

Kate/SVS/Seanzie
or
WWA/Wilgy/Dennis

Feels like the options before us to me.
explain how it's most likely kate and svs are shielding each other cuz they are same alignment? couldn't it be a w/t (not respectively, necessarily) pairing where a wolf pocketed the town?

you just sr tsp every game he doesnt have the same reads as you? lol

and how are you coming up with the 2 groups between wilgy and sean? just from sean and wwa's interactions earlier?

^ this

Cause since end of yesterday ive thought it's town!Kate shielding svs regardless of svs's alignment, could be right and town, but could be scum in a rare meta misread

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:22 am I will no longer respect you as human beings if you don't.

I won't respect you either if you let pyxxy slip through our fingers. This happened in the fucking champs practice game, he barely did anything but people weren't willing to join me in voting him for two days and he was a wolf and won because nobody was committing to voting him

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:16 am I think there is one between Sean and Wilgy and I'd lean like 80% Wilgy over Sean.

One or two between Kate/SVS/WWA/Dennis. Kate and SVS shielding each other likely makes them same alignment. I don't see Kate or SVS as being same to WWA or Dennis. WWA and Dennis I don't have a comment on their sameness.

Porscha and Neon are probably just both town. Contextually in this analysis TSP is just a wildcard. I wish he would just clear himself by solving the game for me but until then I have to just scumread him sadly.

I think in Wilgy wolf worlds we are more likely in WWA w and Kate/SVS t worlds. In Seanzie w worlds we are probably in Kate/SVS w world.

Kate/SVS/Seanzie
or
WWA/Wilgy/Dennis

Feels like the options before us to me.

I've found Dennis's responses to my prodding a bit weird but I don't think his vote at EoD yesterday was wolf indicative.
Reason why is because I pressed him to move away from Neon and he debated it for a while, but unlike pyxxy, he committed to shifting to falcon and said he wouldn't move back when pyxxy was publicly offering to rand the vote.
What i got from that was that Dennis was unsure of his reads but still willing to commit to a wagon for the sake of vote solidarity, whereas pyxxy did not care at all who flipped, despite offering to sheep TSP/Porscha/me and that I was in the thread specifically asking him to vote off of Neon.

I'm keeping my vote on pyxxy though, I'm more confident on that read than either of Seanzie or Wilgy, and I thought Seanzie posted towny stuff in the second half of yesterday. Why did you change your mind on him? You said the same thing, that you thought he obvtowned.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:11 am I see Dennis has yet to vote. I consider that outing.

Pick the wolf between Seanzie and Wilgy.

I think WWA is a wolf but i would actually prefer we go to the above 3 right now simply due to WWA level of effort and my earlier vibe read.

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I'd vote Wilgy over Seanzie
Idk why he voted porscha kinda like idk why he voted falcon
I don't think you get why I voted falcon or pushed porscha today either, though, so tbh the same argument can be used against me
Nutella townread me straight up until a point where she said she was paranoid cause all of my reads were reads she agreed with.and I asked if she was worried I was trying to pocket her and idr what her response was but clearly she did think that

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:12 am Yeah this is town and frustrated Porscha.

I do think Pyxxy is a hit but I think you are way off base with Porscha. This firey response from Porscha is something I strongly associate with her town game not her scum game. I don't know Porscha is kinda polarized...

I'm starting to agree with you after her string of replies
Willing to back off for a bit cause i think she's doing good stuff now

If there has to be a wolf pushing me today it's SVS and no I am not changing my opinion on that
It's always SVS first because imo she couldn't get me to townread her so she's resorted to pushing me now instead, then Mac if he's powerwolfing, and I don't think it's TSP because TSP isn't powerwolfing or pocketing me
But does anyone other than SVS think I'm not giving her a fair chance? Kate maybe? I just think out of the three votes on me, hers is the worst placed, but tbh I don't think TSP gave a reason at all for voting me while SVS said it was my EoD (which is why I suspect her more).

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:33 am Like wwa. I can *see* that you've made moves that could appear wolfy. Everybody can. So how do you determine which of those people is trying to get you flipped for it?

What people like mac arent considering about eod is that pyxxy followed *your lead*. If he tmi'd neon town, I'm less inclined to believe that you, wolf wwa, would tell your wolf partner pyxxy, to move off of town neon and onto town falcon instead. And what is the point of that for wolves. I guess in some backwards universe the plan is do it so that I sit here tr'ing you while pyxxy has pretty obviously given himself up for it, but I feel that's less likely in worlds where you have been extremely vocal about your reads and your tone is genuine. It is very hard to imagine that you are power wolfing like this, it only makes sense to me if pyxxy did his play to make you look better because from a team standpoint it doesnt do anything beneficial for wolves, it's literally only good to get someone to go deep. So unless that is exactly what you are doing, I'm not inclined to think you are partnered with pyxxy

This of course does hinge on pyxxy tmi'ing neon town. If neom is wolf then yeah it's more likely you would direct (or let?) Pyxxy just sheep your read to save your teammate. But the dichotomies between how you have been playing and how pyxxy has been playing are night and day. Like if town never fucked up or made mistakes or didnt vote other town then the game would be easy. We have to try and see through the weeds to be as accurate as possible and since I've consistently read you as towny via tone, activity, pushing back on people, even in ways that really arent behooving you, to me you have not been opportunistic about saving your own ass and dont appear overly worried about how wolfy you appear, you just do whatever the fuck you want anyways. So if I am confronted with the idea that you are:
1) town, in most cases
2) wolfing, but *only* if powerwolfing the absolute fuck out of this game, then

3) my conclusion is 1.

If a wolf is pushing you today, like there almost always has to be since most people are not tr'ing you, then who do you think it is?

I just assumed that the people who think I'm wolfing have a townread on pyxxy, that was the logic there
I don't personally think pyxxy and I are both town because I don't think pyxxy sheeped me in a towny way, and he's been saying for days that he will sheep any one of TSP/you/me and in all honesty I kinda figured he rule-of-three'd a partner and I know it isn't me, I just assumed it wouldn't be TSP because ngl I feel like that's an odd choice of a partner to spotlight because he hasn't really been super loud in the thread.
But that's a possibly bad take if we're all town and he knows our reads have been wrong, because then he can get everyone else to plow through us if he flips wolf

Idk, but honestly I do really appreciate your replies now cause they're giving me more to work with and think about

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:20 am Like you were literally in thread at that time wwa. If you're having trouble where to look, as it seems to me from your poor attempt at convincing sean I've been wolfy, then just flip pyxxy so we can look for associatives and move the hell on.

Nobody is doing anything productive so far and the gamestate is getting on my nerves (though I welcome not needing to catch up on 10 pages in 1 sitting)

Hope this helps your delusion that I tried pocketing you btw

I'm on pyxxy anyway
Like I said, I'm vote parking on him
Idk why you don't just call me a wolf and vote me cause that's exactly what svs is doing and I also accused her of trying to pocket me earlier, I mean, imo scumreading me seems slightly more natural of a reaction than townreading me but maybe my expectations are wack

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:15 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:07 pm That being said @Dennis you were clearly playing quite similar to our last game together. You're playing very bold and saying things that I believe a wolf just wouldn't do. You were shoving yourself in the spotlight early saying pretty much nonsense and people were taking stances on you.

That's enough for me to town read you for now.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:09 pm I'm now town reading Nutella. Their internal consistency in their posts was good and villagery. Could go more into detail but ye village read there

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:13 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:36 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:07 am Town
Lily
Wilgy
Dennis

Mid/unsorted but sliiiightly ordered
Porscha
Rondo
Pyxxy
SVS
TSP
Neon
Sean
Wind
Falcon
Kate

Wolf
Mac lol
Why in the world am I last?
This is mildly towny.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:20 pm Also I'm moving Porscha up. Read her iso in the last game I saw her wolf in and she talks a lot more about useless game stuff than fluff. She's been fine~ comparatively

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:04 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:16 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:11 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:58 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:54 am [VOTE: mac] aubergine
explain yourself
just not feeling it with mac rn lol
are you able to explain why you think mac hero votes nutella just to double down on the vote after nutella actually posts
how is that a hero vote? fmpov mac is blatantly pushing a villager and getting 0 pushback while others pile on. I don't get the nutella vote at all and it just looks like Mac is openwolfing
Sorry I'm mad I didnt wait

She tr me dennis kate nutella and sr'd mac. So unless youd like to make the argument that *I* specifically killed her to lock in the townread on me, you would have to assert that for kate and dennis and also just not look at mac, ever, who she actually sr'd. Good luck making sense of that!

Hmm
OK well, that saves me the work of going back to find it
I'll think this over

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:11 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:25 am Again on the Porscha case, I don't think she's done enough that I consider towny
Also I will keep bringing up that Lily strongly scumread her and died N1 cause I really think that's worth considering
Cause in the champs practice game Lily started out as widely townread there too for a day but she was wolfing, and my guess is that if any of the scumteam in this game played in that game, they would know they wouldn't have to kill Lily on N1 unless they perceived her as a threat
And her Porscha read stood out to me because she held onto it and then Porscha handled it by townreading Lily and saying that scum!Lily would start out by townreading Porscha instead.
Lily fucking died not scumreading me. I can quote the post when I'm home but you would do better to elaborate on how I havent been towny even though I'm "tonally normal "

Like lay out points to convince the jury cuz rn as the jury I'm extremely not convinced

Aight fine
Idk if that's gonna convince me but whatever, I'll take a look later if you guys don't lynch me today

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:09 am Lmao imagine not looking into anyone jumping on you when almost the entire thread wolf reads you, which leaves this situation RIPE for being opportunistically ML'd, and trying to convince the one person tr'ing you that you're wolfing. YOU SHOULD BE TRYINF TO WORK WITH ME

Nobody's jumping on me except Mac and SVS and I don't think Mac actually believes what he's saying because I think he's doing a thing

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:04 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:57 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy
Porscha made a post that made me feel like she was trying to pocket me, and possibly you, or maybe was teammates with you.
I thought she was trying to pocket me earlier too lol
Idc really if you think she's teamed with me cause all I've done is say I think she should be in the PoE and haven't really pushed her
So tbf I could also be bussing her but like... Nobody except me has had her in the PoE except for Lily who died N1
And I'm surprised I'm the only one who commented on that yesterday
Yeah lilys poe includes everyone who is alive, great work detective

Did it? She made a very specific case on you, though, that's why I remember it standing out

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:01 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:57 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy
Pyxxy has done literally nothing but fucking lolcat today and give up what was basically a fake attempt at playing from eod yesterday, it was wolfy as shit, and you should be more concerned about people SR'ing you for last eod while letting pyxxy skate by despite his god awful, and I mean god awful, eod. Can we please just hammer him. I went almost 24 calendar hours without being able to get back to thread and when I come back, virtually *nothing* has happened in that time.

I don't think Mac SRing me is bad, I'm undecided on svs but I want pyxxy out anyway
I'm not gonna be around most of today so I've basically just committed to vote parking on pyxxy
People let him skate by in the champs practice game too and he was wolfing and I was voting him for two days with no results so I honestly don't expect any different
Too bad

Again on the Porscha case, I don't think she's done enough that I consider towny
Also I will keep bringing up that Lily strongly scumread her and died N1 cause I really think that's worth considering
Cause in the champs practice game Lily started out as widely townread there too for a day but she was wolfing, and my guess is that if any of the scumteam in this game played in that game, they would know they wouldn't have to kill Lily on N1 unless they perceived her as a threat
And her Porscha read stood out to me because she held onto it and then Porscha handled it by townreading Lily and saying that scum!Lily would start out by townreading Porscha instead.

I guess I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong on one I could be wrong on both
But I think they're both a hit

I guess I'm trying to say i think both pyxxy and Porscha are independently scummy but I also really highly think they're partnered

Seanzie and Wilgy are on Porscha
Kate, Neon, Porscha and I are on pyxxy
TSP, Mac and svs are on me

...yeah I feel fine about these wagons but I could tie the Porscha wagon with the other two for the heck of it so that all three are viable, it might keep the Porscha wagon from dissolving but I'm a bit worried the pyxxy wagon will dissolve as soon as I move my vote because it didn't build up steam yesterday when I wanted it to.

I hate being awake this early on so little sleep smh
But I'm going on a day trip today so I've got a bus to catch

I mean tonally Porscha seems fine but that's why I think she's pocket attempting

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:11 pm Vote: Pyxxy

Don't think WWA is a hit.

I'm interested if someone could go into detail on the Porscha scum reads because they are so far out of their scum range to me.

I think she's trying to pocket me and bus pyxxy
But she's been in my PoE since EoD yesterday, she vote parked on you and didn't come back when the wagon on you actually built up steam (idk maybe EoD isn't convenient for her) but then her conclusion at SoD was that I was obvtowning and that pyxxy was scum for not caring who flipped as I had said. And she didn't say much about why she suddenly agreed with me that you were town and pyxxy was scum, when I remember her reads being the inverse yesterday whenever she left off.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:37 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:57 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy
Porscha made a post that made me feel like she was trying to pocket me, and possibly you, or maybe was teammates with you.
I thought she was trying to pocket me earlier too lol
Idc really if you think she's teamed with me cause all I've done is say I think she should be in the PoE and haven't really pushed her
So tbf I could also be bussing her but like... Nobody except me has had her in the PoE except for Lily who died N1
And I'm surprised I'm the only one who commented on that yesterday
You should vote Porscha with me.

I think pyxxy is also a hit so I'm leaving my vote there for now
Could go for either tbh but I didn't see the point in moving my vote if I'm happy with it

You two can't pocket me by townreading me
Ain't gonna work

Pyxxy and Porscha woofin', I'd happily die on that hill and I don't care if I need to die first to prove it. It's not a wimpy thunderdome like I tried to do with Seanzie. It's just my reads and I haven't seen anything to change my opinion since last night.

And I gave my word I'm not gonna lead the thread today. It's not my place to do so. I'm just giving opinions and I won't be around for most of the rest of the day or EoD. I keep checking in to see if anything else interesting has come up, but honestly the most interesting things I've noticed are not necessarily anything that's been said today. It hasn't changed my reads since SoD.

You say it's obvious I'm a wolf from EoD but you made absolutely no comment on your own wagon dissolving and most of the attention shifting to Neon all of a sudden. So if you really thoroughly read EoD and you concluded I'm lockscum TMIing Neon as town, why the fuck would I go out of my way to shift attention off of town onto a different town? Why would I care?

Also, I never said falcon was scum

i just said I thought neon was town and I'd do whatever it takes to not flip her. Keep that in mind. You're pushing me for pushing falcon, but it was because I had a townread i wanted to protect. Had falcon not been an existing wagon, and it had been between Kate and Neon, I wouldve had to suck it up and vote Kate regardless of whether I thought she was town, because my read on Neon was stronger.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:10 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:37 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:00 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:57 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:51 pm I would like to remind everyone that not only did the wagon form on Neon when she was out of the thread, but the wagon on svs completely vanished when she was also out of the thread.

Coincidence?
Don't break my heart by unloving svs again. Ok. Pweeeze. I'm trying really hard to maintain my hopeless devotion to you.
She's not first in my list of priority yeets, but her voting me right after Mac did has not gone under my radar. I still think Mac is town, I'm increasingly confident on that read, and it makes svs look much worse.
You and I had a conversation yesterday about how I should just go ahead and vote for you, and how I didn’t think that was workable so close to EOD.

So you can stop pretending that it somehow makes a difference that I voted second. I voted when I got to the thread.
It does make a difference because you posted after Mac and made it clear that you posted after Mac. It doesn't mean it's always from a wolf but you can't be cleared off it and I think Mac can.
Well, you certainly can make a nothing into a something, that seems to be your forte. It's an excellent Mafia skill to have. As is what you've been doing today, sowing the BS far and wide. I hope to be on your bad team someday, so i can learn from you.

I have a last minute WOOT! we had a record month and our boss wants to take us out to a sooper fancy dinner (as opposed to, oh, maybe giving us raises or bonuses...), so I'm AFK for a bit.

I may suck as town but I'm not that shitty as a wolf. I mean, yeah, I hellbus my partners which isn't great, but I never do the thing i do as town where I have like a 0% accuracy rate lol. I'm far more likely to give accurate reads if I'm scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:57 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy
Porscha made a post that made me feel like she was trying to pocket me, and possibly you, or maybe was teammates with you.

I thought she was trying to pocket me earlier too lol
Idc really if you think she's teamed with me cause all I've done is say I think she should be in the PoE and haven't really pushed her
So tbf I could also be bussing her but like... Nobody except me has had her in the PoE except for Lily who died N1
And I'm surprised I'm the only one who commented on that yesterday

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:57 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:08 am I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game
tempted to say that I think this sort of nonsense is probably a wolf

You mean Wilgy or neon?

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy

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