The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:27 am trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:19 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:16 pm seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

hi pyxxy

ummm, you're a POE pleb

you can't talk to towncleared royalty like me

you're towncleared?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:18 pm Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha [TOWN]


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle [TOWN]

tutuu
DrWilgy [TOWN]
Neon [TOWN]
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin [TOWN]

Bereft [TOWN]

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

I just did a gth sort list and got exactly these three as my bottom 3, so assuming you're meaning "drawn to as suspects" (which makes sense with the Petit vote), I'mma say this is good.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:03 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:00 pm @Seanzie Bereft is being v towny, there’s a stark depth of thought and insightfulness/criticism that is absent from his wolf game

Can you link a wolf game of his so I can check this? I don't really dig meta reads I can't corroborate, and honestly this is a pretty stark 180 from my perspective (that the depth of thought and insightfulness that I quickly saw before is absent).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:14 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

I agree with all parts of this except the conclusion.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:38 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:10 am in terms of breaking up my reads

Porscha
Sheep
Rondo

tutuu
lucy
DrWigly

Neon
pyxxy
Seanzie

falcon45ca

Syn

Probably something like this

Assuming this is town->scum, I think your bottom 4 are all town, so please rethink.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:11 am Syn and Tutuu are voting with me, and I feel pretty meh about both of them, but I don't want to move.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:49 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:28 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm syn/pyxxy/seanzie

Certainly sean and pyxxy

No. Maybe Pyxxy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:21 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:24 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:00 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:53 am Regardless of Porscha's read on Falcon and whether I believe it or not (I think I do).

I still want to pressure him into getting into the game more involved like. And that's why I'm voting that over anyone else rn.

I'm also interested in seeing what Jaiden Underwood has to say about this game. Perhaps it can sanity check me on their alignment since idk

Here is the deal I tutuu. If you truly believe tutuu was aware of neons softs, which I think is a good catch on your part, then the wolves would have directly killed neon last night. And if neon was for sure the doctor, there would have only been 1 kill no matter who neon went on. So I'm of the belief that you think the wolves did not know who wolf was and therefore tutuu is not a wolf, unless, and only unless, you are willing to consider rondo was the actual doctor who went on sean and neon was the standard nk. So let me know how you feel about that

Rondo explicitly said he wasn't going on me. You are full of agenda.

I am really starting to think it is either Rondo!Doc ->Porscha!wolf or Neon!Doc -> Porscha!clear as others have said, and yeah... this is really fustrating.

Do you have any read on porscha?

I am having a hard time reconsiling two opposivinf views on Porscha, which worries me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:18 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

Why?

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:47 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

wrong

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:16 pm seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

hi pyxxy

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:04 pm seanzie's my top vote out of these wagons by default

but also i'm staying on pyxxy lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:02 am the solve being seanzie/sheep/tutuu-Jaiden would be kinda wild ngl

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:02 pm sorry for being inactive last cycle, good lynch

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:45 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:42 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:54 pm one part of me wants to go seanzie

the other part of me wants to go tutuu/pyxxy because outed wolf seanzie isn't someone i wanna go immediately

we only have 1 Ml to spare, the second and we just lose, and we don't have doctor anymore

Give me 1 good reason to tr sean that also isnt that he sorta attempted replicating his town meta play day 1

i can't, i just don't wanna chop outed wolf seanzie and then die tonight and we lose the game cause i got one read wrong. better to chop a non outed wolf for better solving/game theory and we chop him tomorrow, since this is effectively mountainous rn

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:46 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:34 pm Also, Porscha. Not saying anyone has to be in 1000% solving mood at all times. But your 4 posts there surprised me. Feels like you're losing wim, maybe just a little. Don't give up the fight!

Nobody else was around and I was exhausted from work anyway

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:55 pm porscha/pyxxy/falcon are scary names to have on a vote

well 2 are

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:46 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:34 pm Also, Porscha. Not saying anyone has to be in 1000% solving mood at all times. But your 4 posts there surprised me. Feels like you're losing wim, maybe just a little. Don't give up the fight!

Nobody else was around and I was exhausted from work anyway

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:00 pm That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:38 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:32 pm
Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:


To this D2:


Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

the reason he made the switch is because i made all indications that I would tunnel lucy into the core of the earth and blindly sheep rondo's reads list (since someone or multiple people said I just copied his reads list as my own)

it is good for the wolf win condition to keep a townie like that around

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:33 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:10 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:31 am welcome to my POE, cape

sorry if this is in your iso recently but I want a fresh update when you next check the thread

what's your POE rn? who within it would you be willing to vote for?

i've been voting seanzie. i've just been unvoting when other people stack on to avoid a hammer

rn i guess I'm at seanzie -> pyxxy -> cape -> jaiden -> sheep -> falcon -> lucy -> porscha

but 2-4 are subject to change

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:39 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:01 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:18 pm Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

Why isnt it possible

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:16 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:04 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pm

I am pretty interesting.

What exactly is interesting about our posts?

the mouth feel

Uhh... I do not want to know what you've been doing with my posts

As funny as this is, it isn't actually helpful. If you can give me more than "mouth feel", I'd appreciate it.

i'm just vaguely discrediting you, homie

Can we chop this plz? tnx.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:13 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:11 am For now I'm going with [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine, sorry bud, I promise I did a lot of re-reading to come to this conclusion and it's not something I take lightly.

I look forward to getting some Z's and coming back to some replies

can u unvote, so he's 3 from hammer lol

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:31 am welcome to my POE, cape

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:18 pm Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm


Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:17 am In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:04 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

I have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.

In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.

Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:56 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm Rondo responding to my powerwolf comment:
I had one very bad experience in WebDip mafia, in my only scum game, where a teammate (who I like as a person) committed to being obnoxious and rude in order to stink up the thread and it worked for days. You seemed to be taking a similar approach of commanding the thread, or at least taking up a lot of space, with annoying or (generously) prodding comments towards people that you suspected.

???? what does this have to do with the quote you brought up at this point in your second spoiler?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:48 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:04 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:54 pm Tbf my comments about you dancing around some subjects or asking busy-work questions werent directly tied to your meta, they were more so separate thoughts

ah okay, that makes way more sense then

don't read that wolf game, it's incredible toxic and hostile, also it'll give away all my secrets, I'm trying to play as much fm as I can so I get a scumrand for people to reference here on TS!!!

you care about your "secrets"? If you are town, why?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:31 am Also pyxxy I read your beeg post but my brain is mostly offline cuz I'm fucking exhausted and burnt out from work so I may get back around to that tomorrow

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:30 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:29 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:28 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:21 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:52 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm


Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

It's weird how you ask it to an audience instead of the person in question lol

I think I just write like that. Also ever since I learned that replies give the little red number, I try not to over-tag people.

I mean replying to someone alone gives them the notification so you might as well just be like "hey dicknugget what did you mean" instead of like "well I wonder what dicknugget meant here" lol idk whatever it isnt important

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:28 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:21 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:52 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm


Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

It's weird how you ask it to an audience instead of the person in question lol

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:51 pm oh no you've pulled the master method of putting things in quotes that I won't read but then i can't argue with your point or scumread you

cape not being wagoned is kind of interesting ig but i don't think it means much given people being more open to townreading cape and there'd prooobably be some bussing if he was a wolf like non-commitall but still

Sheep wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:03 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:57 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:46 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:40 pm nice wagons tbh

like
jaiden's not getting voted today because just subbed in (unless they start openwolving)
falcon's not getting voted today because this isn't the time in-game to hang somebody of that postcount

my wagon best obv

the other 3 I'd say like lucy>syn>seanzie in order of towniness but i don't wolfread any of 'em so that's kinda a problem this might fix unless you guys CFD jaiden underwood and hammer

hello sheep i would like to inform you that this reads list leaves a POE of sheep, cape, and pyxxy

oh no
(tbh idk why you associate "not getting voted today" with me not thinking they're a wolf)

generally speaking it is very cool to chop people you think are wolf

I mean yeah

in thos specific cases it was more of a thread read tbh

but also I feel like there's sometimes a diference between the two in general idk how to describe it

idk how to explain this
and not just because i don't have a lot of wolfreads

but like while votes can go with a wolfread you can still wolread somebody who you're not voting, or vote somebody who you're not wolfreading ig

I mean idk how to explain this to myself so i doubt i'll convey it to ya'll

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:52 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm


Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:51 pm oh no you've pulled the master method of putting things in quotes that I won't read but then i can't argue with your point or scumread you

cape not being wagoned is kind of interesting ig but i don't think it means much given people being more open to townreading cape and there'd prooobably be some bussing if he was a wolf like non-commitall but still

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm pyxxy rambling mega post

spoilered so as to not hurt young children or animals

Part I, Act I: Previously, In the Mind of Pyxxy

Spoiler: show

Let's start from here:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:57 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm2.PNG

for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

Coming from D1, I found Wilgy's attempt to flashwagon me incredibly wolfy. That said, while I'm a heavy OMGUS consumer, I figured my wagon couldn't be pure. I include Wilgy as my wagon since he did everything but end on me, making it: Le Petit, lucy, Neon, Wilgy

At the time though I didn't have Wilgy's flip, and I figured "why would Wilgy care about pushing over Bereft instead of me?" This led me to start investigating lucy, who I already suspected as scum from the massive AtE fiasco.

You can see me attempting some VCA:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:08 pm current vote count:

Spoiler: show

Bereft, 2
Voters: Seanzie, DrWilgy

Cape90, 0
Voters: None

DrWilgy, 1
Voters: Porscha

falcon45ca, 0
Voters: None

Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft

lucy, 2
Voters: Syn, RondoDimBuckle

Neon, 1
Voters: falcon45ca

No Yeet/Sleep, 0
Voters: None

Porscha, 0
Voters: None

pyxxy, 1
Voters: Neon

RondoDimBuckle, 0
Voters: None

Seanzie, 0
Voters: None

Sheep, 0
Voters: None

Syn, 1
Voters: lucy

tutuu, 1
Voters: Le petit poussin

Unvote/Not Voting, 1
Voters: Sheep

didn't realize there were 3 on le petit already, I'm making that a serious wagon, huh

Extract:

"Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft"

everyone else gone by -40min from EOD

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:28 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:19 pm 40 minutes.PNG

all this talk about voting le petit and somehow ten minutes ago I was the only person on le petit?

that feels off

and then le petit _is the NK_ and flips town

this feels odd and/or I'm self-centered

also don't know what to make of Wilgy essentially saving me

I still feel weird about how the Le Petit wagon disappeared D1. At this point, that only points to tutuu/the sub J idr your name rn sorry and Cape90, since Bereft flipped town and I'm the 4th on that wagon.

So really just tutuu and Cape. I haven't really fleshed out this though, but if I had to suspect 1 of them, it would be Cape. I'll elaborate on this later.

Somewhere in here I start to weaken on Wilgy and look at the other parts of D1 VCA. That's how I end on poking lucy:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:05 pm why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

This is because of how strongly lucy opened D2, yelling about how she clearly tr Bereft, which is true:

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:00 pm @Seanzie Bereft is being v towny, there’s a stark depth of thought and insightfulness/criticism that is absent from his wolf game

I think I had some blinders on at EOD D1. lucy's posts didn't stick with me. Although I was kinda backing myself into my POE there so, eh. Future lessons for myself is more that I mean by this paragraph.

However, because of these blinders, I came into the day very suspicious of lucy and her intentions. That's why I opened with VCA questions.

And now, I get to read

Part II, Act I: Catching the Fuck Up on Day 2

Spoiler: show

Dear Dead Rondo:

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:22 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:05 pm why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

Why arent you voting lucy if you see this as suspcious?

Because my read on lucy feels very WIFOM.

D1 scum lucy would have been some version of caught for the wrong reasons, which I could imagine being a factor in her decision to AtE as a defense. lucy has kept up the massive posting numbers and continues to lead the thread by a wide margin. I trust Neon to find town lucy amidst the AtE, but then Neon seems to stuck in the exact same mental spot as me:

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:40 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:58 am but i still thinks correct to go between me/syn today

I impolitely disagree.

Me 2

I think if there's a wolf in Syn Lucy it's actually Lucy...I think Lucy could be playing me here but they've felt genuine all through today.

Fucking hell this game sucks where Porscha at y'all got wolf equity and I ain't got no place in this game right now to even start.

Rondo responding to my powerwolf comment:
I had one very bad experience in WebDip mafia, in my only scum game, where a teammate (who I like as a person) committed to being obnoxious and rude in order to stink up the thread and it worked for days. You seemed to be taking a similar approach of commanding the thread, or at least taking up a lot of space, with annoying or (generously) prodding comments towards people that you suspected.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:26 am I feel like the easy answer to this game is the wolves are wilgy neon and pyxxy

^This aged _terribly_. But would scum Porscha post this? I don't think so.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:37 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:05 pm why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

idk how i missed but my response is there, while i was looking at vc's you had 3 and pyxxy had 4 and i switched there but people switched off you and i got fucked

This answer doesn't make any sense. I'm pyxxy, so who had 4? If you want to try answering this again, I would appreciate it, but I also understand that it's a bit old at this point.

Like, if you townread Neon more than me, that's an easy answer here. You tr Bereft more than me, that's for sure.

lucy convinced syn is scum, cape calls rondo obv town, cape tr me (pyxxy)

"Voters: None
DrWilgy
5
31%
Voters: Syn, Porscha, Seanzie, Neon, tutuu"
from lucy's VC post, ty for that lucy

How the fuck did y'all end up on Wilgy so quickly. Not a real question. Just kinda stunned by this. Cape makes it 6. Rondo hammers it home.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:43 am if I was doctor I would be targeting porscha tonight

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:44 am actually, no, seanzie

I know y'all did real doctor hunting today, don't worry, I'm not going to redo all your work. This just stood out to me. Rondo saying this _after hammering_ aka he's realizing that he probably needs to hard/soft here or pull other bs. Idk, feels like a strong argument for Rondo doc here.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:49 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:48 am Rondo I think from that poe you should drop cape

case him town and I will think about it. He has been on both wagons going over and if Wilgy is town his equity goes WAY up

K will consider next day

Did you, Porscha?

Sheep and I are the two missing votes from the D2 hammer VC.

Part II, Act II: Oh Good I'm Finally on Day 3

Spoiler: show

Sheep in the thread at SOD frame 1? kinda sus imo

and just really odd to joke about being scum with Porscha. I know about the wolfchat joke. It's still weird

Sheep seems ready to sheep Porscha onto me (pyxxy) for a while, then suddenly not. It's odd. It feels like Sheep doesn't have any real reads. Oh wait!

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:45 pm mm
i'll just sheep porscha for now because I have a rather annoying lack of wolfreasd atm

That's right. He doesn't. Sheep, I think I need to know more clearly where you stand on this game and the people in it. Your own reads list, if you may.

*scrolls down*

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:09 pm play the game and give reads @Sheep

^yeah.....this. gdi lucy

Sheep then townreads basically only Cape, but quickly moves past Cape to talk about me (pyxxy) with Porscha

I need the crowd on this one. Q: Is town Sheep someone that has a hard time scumreading anyone? (Almost like how I have that issue sometimes?)

lucy insta setting the narrative that Neon was probably doc. or insta theorizing, not trying to be too presumptuous

(TBD: what I think about who in Neon/Rondo was the doc)

Porscha may I direct you to where I said I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I won't be starting now

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:26 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:25 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:24 pm Pyxxy is undoubtedly wolfing imo lmao

oh no

why?

I've seen them make towny posts in other games and this ain't it chief!

Sorry lol I'm overly caffeinated and being ridiculous

But there are some threads of pyxxys posts from day 2 and they are just good "dancing around the subject" posts. It's pretty telling imo, but I've been the only besides cape to say his iso didnt seem towny

This isn't true. You forgot about Wilgy. In fact, I'm gonna quote this in the thread rn.

Well I regret that because like two posts later Porscha brings up Wilgy. Porscha town for that tbh, and if we all tr her and she isn't the NK, then Porscha dies D4 XDDDDDD

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:33 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm weird posts from porscha and sheep today

How are they weird at all

Honest unawareness from Porscha? Looks good for Porscha?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:45 pm neon doesn't make sense for a maf kill, rondo was town according to everyone and wasn't in any poe's besides like mine

I think I lack understand of all the reasoning that mafia use to select their kills. A few that I do know:
1) PR hunting
2) Kill town core
3) Kill people sussing the scum team

Rondo fits 1 and 2, if we're to believe lucy here. If she was scum, then obviously she would not want us to consider 3 as an additional reason for Rondo's death.

lucy is correct though here:

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:45 pm neon doesn't make sense for a maf kill, rondo was town according to everyone and wasn't in any poe's besides like mine

Neon _does_ make no sense as the maf kill. Flips a D1 wagon that people didn't clear or town core D2. Does scum lucy just hand town this information after town managed to fucking _hammer_ Wilgy? I say no. The tinfoil stops here for me on lucy. Galaxy brain logic is never real. Town core lucy and if she's scum, well played. Or not. Idk. Town lucy.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:47 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:45 pm neon doesn't make sense for a maf kill, rondo was town according to everyone and wasn't in any poe's besides like mine

Neon doc'd sean cuz rondo said that's what he would do if he was doctor
(I just assume she took his advice)
Instead of doc'ing me her lock town read
Works out tho lol

hmm

god, this is a reasonable take though

If Neon trust her own town read on Porscha, then it's better to clear one of her town leans. Rondo put forward Seanzie, Neon visits Seanzie, Neon dies. It's.....completely plausible.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:04 am i would have killed neon if i was wolf

hmm

but why would scum Cape bother posting about how Rondo might have visited me N1? that seems like a waste when I'm slanking/mia and a possible miskill today

I don't think Cape needs to establish more towny vibes here either, no one is really sussing him at all

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:36 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm weird posts from porscha and sheep today

i actually somewhat agree with... some of this

same

I townread Falcon, for the record. I trust his self-assessment: "If I'm scummy, I'm town. If I'm _really_ scummy, I'm scum." Right now Falcon is regular scummy.

For the record I do not understand why syn/lucy is a difference check.

(posts in live thread about tring Seanzie)

Oh look, it's me posting! We're getting close! I was just drinking coffee milk, nothing special or salacious (cough, lucy).

I'm white btw

big break in the thread before Seanzie shows up. I think that's fine, lots to process from two flips

Pretty much agree that Porscha wolfing here is just A+ work and we'll DK her tomorrow I guess?

disagree with syn's post about sean's motivations

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:19 pm I think one of the best supporting reasons why not to kill Rondo there as mafia was because he was literally hammered a vote on town a day early.

This is even if lucy is wolf

unless scum though Rondo was doc

alright it's been like 2 hours and I had energy until like page 47 or so, good enough

tldr of what I think:
- porscha lock town bc doc neon cleared her N1 imo
- lucy town but if she ever AtEs in a game with me again (when I'm awake and in the thread ) I'll pull a Neon and policy her slot
- falcon town & no reason to kill today, whatever convinces you more
- I'm town lol ecksdee , whatever annoys you the most about this sentence, imagine I typed it there

that leaves:
- cape
- Sheep
- Seanzie
- Syn
- tutuu/Jaiden

I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

Sheep....you remind me of me. That's not a good thing. It means you're going to stay in the POE forever. We need you to go the extra mile here. Town is behind, champ. It's still to step up to the plate and swing for the fences.

Seanzie+Syn+tutuu all need re-reads from me because I can feel myself going into fence sitting mode.

Going to eat but I'll check the thread.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:40 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:21 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:17 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:37 am Like you even see in those posts sean and pyxxy defending each other. I'm 100% confbiased on this, good luck convincing me otherwise

Honestly I still townread Seanzie but all of this thread conversation is making me reconsider it. Once I'm caught up I'll re-read Sean and compare him to when I've played with scum Sean, pretty sure I did before and that's why I feel okay making a meta read on him up until this point. But now we're past when meta reads can suffice, I think.

Unless if you could GoC which I just didn't have time for, idk if you've seen me scum.

I was indeed in GoC and found you scummy there, thank you for reminding me

That game is not indicative of my scum game in general. It was just too big at a time I couldn't dedicate time to the game, so I did bare minimum.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:40 pm nice wagons tbh

like
jaiden's not getting voted today because just subbed in (unless they start openwolving)
falcon's not getting voted today because this isn't the time in-game to hang somebody of that postcount

my wagon best obv

the other 3 I'd say like lucy>syn>seanzie in order of towniness but i don't wolfread any of 'em so that's kinda a problem this might fix unless you guys CFD jaiden underwood and hammer

hello sheep i would like to inform you that this reads list leaves a POE of sheep, cape, and pyxxy

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:21 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:17 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:37 am Like you even see in those posts sean and pyxxy defending each other. I'm 100% confbiased on this, good luck convincing me otherwise

Honestly I still townread Seanzie but all of this thread conversation is making me reconsider it. Once I'm caught up I'll re-read Sean and compare him to when I've played with scum Sean, pretty sure I did before and that's why I feel okay making a meta read on him up until this point. But now we're past when meta reads can suffice, I think.

Unless if you could GoC which I just didn't have time for, idk if you've seen me scum.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:25 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:23 pm oh wait i missed a post or 2 about doing dishes

there are a lot of dishes

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:42 am Literally the thread just looks like sean trying to get on Lucy's good side by voting rondo and saying lucy is a bad vote
And then pyxxy follows up Sean's vote with "u think rondo power wolf?" To which I think rondo had a snappy comeback to, as he rightfully should have

@pyxxy @Seanzie hello which one of you would like to first attempt this mountainous task of convincing me you arent wolves together

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:37 am Like you even see in those posts sean and pyxxy defending each other. I'm 100% confbiased on this, good luck convincing me otherwise

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:58 am ima iso pyxxy tomorrow, i have a cs midterm in a week and i cba to do a bunch of reading and analysis tonight tbh

i think it's odd pyxxy was browsing this thread for like 30 but never posted after it opened