The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:03 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:44 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:39 am of course kate solves the game and of course she loses because its out of her control

games are near unwinnable for town at the current climate. i dont know how u guys can say gg and move on to the next game when u know u will experience the same story as here. but if ur cool with it, power to u

I have to take a bit of a mafia break for the first half of august but I will return and we will tag team town and prove this wrong

i know that most of us are capable town players, and the wolves here played really well. i'd like to think that the elephant in the room that i'm not directly addressing is obvious

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tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:39 am of course kate solves the game and of course she loses because its out of her control

games are near unwinnable for town at the current climate. i dont know how u guys can say gg and move on to the next game when u know u will experience the same story as here. but if ur cool with it, power to u

I have to take a bit of a mafia break for the first half of august but I will return and we will tag team town and prove this wrong

sorry if im being a bit of a baby

ggs all

I just really had realized that we just needed to chop one of zenon/kate or guillo and either we hit scum and win or we hit town and the other group is auto scum and then somehow the one person whose death would solve nothing died

*scrolls ip*

“ pyxxy was the gorgeous graduate student at a neighboring college”

THEME LEGENDARY GOAT THEME

theme impeccable ty for hosting

The fact that y’all chopped Epi is so egregious that I am tempted to petition J that this shouldn’t count as a town loss for me

in other news I have a 100% success rate of finding scum wilgy, it seems

it was a game o7

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:05 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:58 pm Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

don't worry, I sat here and didn't hammer, I can help distract from how bad you look /s

(I don't actually look bad because I tried to kill Guillo D1 and the chop got prevented by Zenon who was trying to prevent a rand but caused a rand by accident)

D1 poll is actually kinda fun to look at

Epi on Seanzie

Guillo not paired with: falcon45ca, DrWilgy, pyxxy (this was the Guillo wagon)
Guillo could be paired with: Zenon, robyn (this was the tutuu wagon)

and now Zenon + Robyn-Kate are both voting for Guillo

See I just don't buy this. There is no this guy can't be partnered with anyone else. People lie, they bus. There's absolutely a chance that anyone could be partners with anyone else.

Maybe you missed, this was D1 votecounts though.

There are no absolutes in mafia but....I cannot imagine bussing my partner at EOD D1 in a 9v2 setup. So, no, I am going to stick with the non-pairings here for Guillo.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:05 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:58 pm Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

don't worry, I sat here and didn't hammer, I can help distract from how bad you look /s

(I don't actually look bad because I tried to kill Guillo D1 and the chop got prevented by Zenon who was trying to prevent a rand but caused a rand by accident)

D1 poll is actually kinda fun to look at

Epi on Seanzie

Guillo not paired with: falcon45ca, DrWilgy, pyxxy (this was the Guillo wagon)
Guillo could be paired with: Zenon, robyn (this was the tutuu wagon)

and now Zenon + Robyn-Kate are both voting for Guillo

bussing/distancing aside, this literally only leaves Guillo/Epi as a team, and Epi just put Guillo to E-1 (theater is always possibly but seems improbable here)

so, entirely based on this analysis, I don't have a teammate for Guillo

@Kate double check me when you're bored

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:58 pm Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

don't worry, I sat here and didn't hammer, I can help distract from how bad you look /s

(I don't actually look bad because I tried to kill Guillo D1 and the chop got prevented by Zenon who was trying to prevent a rand but caused a rand by accident)

D1 poll is actually kinda fun to look at

Epi on Seanzie

Guillo not paired with: falcon45ca, DrWilgy, pyxxy (this was the Guillo wagon)
Guillo could be paired with: Zenon, robyn (this was the tutuu wagon)

and now Zenon + Robyn-Kate are both voting for Guillo

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:58 pm Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

don't worry, I sat here and didn't hammer, I can help distract from how bad you look /s

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:49 pm I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

I don't vote for myself. I find it antithetical to the spirit of the game.

Yep that makes sense.

oh "Slip and Slide" is a zoomer substitute word for suicide bc censorship and I just used it here to be funny since I forgot self-voting is a better term anyway

I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

also at 2-2-2 if I join any wagon it's E-1

(well, now it's if I _had joined_)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:26 pm Pyxxy sitting on the voting sidelines I see...why?

I'm waiting to be pampered.

imagine if Rem had just, like, been online and self-prezzed.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:06 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:42 pm @Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

This doesn't feel like a normal Kate post. But maybe this is just substitute Kate.

I'm not seeing much change since I was last awake?

- Epi/Robyn-Kate still valid, Epi EOD was throwing bc mad at afk partner (not sure I specifically said this in the thread before tho)
- Epi/Zenon still valid for EOD shenanigans
- but otherwise Epi is cleared town for trying to slip 'n slide
- Guillo still valid, especially post-trying to shove zenon in a locker today
- wilgy def town to me for tone now + I went and re-read Hot Fuzz and I can't imagine him bringing that up for literally just him and Zenon to relate to, as in idk the scum motivation for remembering that game
- falcon had me blinking but he figured himself out eventually today

and right now we're at

DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
2
20%
Voters: DrWilgy, falcon45ca
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
2
20%
Voters: Zenon, Kate
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Zenon
2
20%
Voters: Epignosis, Guillotine

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:42 pm @Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

This doesn't feel like a normal Kate post. But maybe this is just substitute Kate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:25 pm like looking at EOD

why doesn't Epi just stick on Rem and Zenon finds any other excuse to vote elsewhere

Was Epi around at EOD? Wolves often feel more of a need to build a case, and I'm not sure what, if any, interactions he had w/ Rem

EOD is only one page, just read this

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... start=1800

like looking at EOD

why doesn't Epi just stick on Rem and Zenon finds any other excuse to vote elsewhere

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:22 pm Epi looks to be partnered if Neon flips red

is it really that easy sometimes?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:13 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:10 pm @falcon45ca no rush but I'm curious what you'll perceive from EOD

Just got back from a work road trip, whatcha looking at?

- Zenon spent the day townreading and defending and having a good time chatting with Rem
- EOD mess because split wagons and too many afks
- Zenon ends up as the deciding vote chopping Rem because Epi pulled off Rem and Zenon had moved from Epi to Rem to avoid a tie

what do you make of like the last 10 minutes of EOD is basically the question

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:53 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:51 pm Wilgy and pyxxy youre seriously voting no vote on day 3 with no wolves uncovered??

okay so I thought you just made a typo earlier

deadline is tomorrow

you can lick me town for my helpful demeanor

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:51 pm Wilgy and pyxxy youre seriously voting no vote on day 3 with no wolves uncovered??

okay so I thought you just made a typo earlier

deadline is tomorrow

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:42 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:08 pm A quick read of Sean shows Epi, Guillo and pyxxy.

I trust zenon and I respect Sean's play, like a lot. So I'm sticking with guillo.

I'm scared of hammer but I'm there in spirit?

if you're bored, you can read your slot's opinions on Guillo, which was a townread

Nah. But I will reread you and epi before judging ye all.

kk

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:08 pm A quick read of Sean shows Epi, Guillo and pyxxy.

I trust zenon and I respect Sean's play, like a lot. So I'm sticking with guillo.

I'm scared of hammer but I'm there in spirit?

if you're bored, you can read your slot's opinions on Guillo, which was a townread

someone remind me how to get seconds timestamps for posts

when anyone votes for me, an angel loses their wings

just thought u all should know

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:28 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:53 pm You guys are crazy if you think Zenon's behavior is scum behavior here.

That was before her vote on Rem.

I'm aware.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:27 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:26 pmI do not care

Feelings is one thing AtEing is another one, please respect the site's rules.

No need to appeal to authority, bruv.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:53 pm You guys are crazy if you think Zenon's behavior is scum behavior here.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:27 pm It's all WIFOM games now, Zenon is probably in anti-spew

Could you link me a previous game that you played with Zenon?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:23 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:22 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:21 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:09 pm worlds seem currently divided between scum epi/zenon and scum guillo?

or like, I'm surprised that guillo immediately jumped on zenon, but was voting Rem

Rem also only dying because of afk falcon is like, big red warning sign

I had reasons to vote Rem out. Zenon didn't, big difference.

So you believe that EOD yesterday was scum theater and the solve is Epi/Zenon?

That was my immediate thought but not anymore.

okay

wya now

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:21 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:09 pm worlds seem currently divided between scum epi/zenon and scum guillo?

or like, I'm surprised that guillo immediately jumped on zenon, but was voting Rem

Rem also only dying because of afk falcon is like, big red warning sign

I had reasons to vote Rem out. Zenon didn't, big difference.

So you believe that EOD yesterday was scum theater and the solve is Epi/Zenon?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:16 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:47 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:14 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:59 pm [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Now you can have your precious non-depressing personal chat with your friend Rem.

See ya.

Rude as fuck but towny

That is easily fakeable.

Rudeness is not alignment indicative.

You should know how I read this game by now and know I'm damn good at it lol

I read emotion

Huh? What I remember from playing with you is that you are an unreadable wild card as either alignment and I even just flipped a coin in one game and it landed on town and I never bothered with you again lol

You say you read emotion, I read behavior and your play ending with your vote on Rem yesterday does not make sense at all from a behavioral stand point.

I 100% believe you are a wolf and I will show you guys later why, you'll see.

hey, how dare you accuse my scummate of wolfing

@falcon45ca no rush but I'm curious what you'll perceive from EOD

worlds seem currently divided between scum epi/zenon and scum guillo?

or like, I'm surprised that guillo immediately jumped on zenon, but was voting Rem

Rem also only dying because of afk falcon is like, big red warning sign

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

working but watching and just wanted to acknowledge

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:49 pm In other words, my faith is shattered and I am lost.

yo same big dog

[VOTE: Robyn] aubergine btw

shield deactivated and not taking them into F5

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:55 pm and here specifically I just didn't understand that you were calling Epi/Zenon as potential scum theater

in the absence of theater, it pretty much cannot be w/w, so, yeah

this is kind of a dumb sentence but you get what I mean

and here specifically I just didn't understand that you were calling Epi/Zenon as potential scum theater

in the absence of theater, it pretty much cannot be w/w, so, yeah

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:50 pm lol, Pyx, Idk why you think that my reads changing always are weird? Like do I just talk funny?

I think I just miss the boat sometimes when you're steaming straight ahead.

Like if anything, it was Apathy Mafia when you didn't reeval.....and you were scum.

But I can find it somewhat mentally jarring e.g. if I'm thinking during the night and finding myself agreeing with you, and then you're like "actually Zenon wolf? " when your green Zenon is what stuck in my memory.

I think this is like, very much a historical issue for me too. Which is funny imo.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:34 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:57 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:04 pm @Zenon explain

I switched to prevent a tie before Epis switch. I will always prevent a tie. I stayed because unfortunately Epi self sacrificing was towny

Wolfs have full control of this game.

I don't trust myself. I fucked up killed my top town and was right anyways but a town was dead either way.

How was Epi self sacrificing more towny than your perpetual Rem read? It becomes very hard to trust you and your reads when you don't trust your own.

*cracks weird pocketing sentence writing fingers*

Wilgy, I disagree with this. We both know that this is how Zenon plays.

I've personally kept an eye on Zenon claiming to solve with townreads because I didn't believe her either, and she doesn't play it the same every time, but she _does_ generally find townreads and I think it's reasonable that she found Rem here. Robyn.......much less so. But the Rem read felt like a lock.

I might be strongly basing this off wolfing with Zenon in Hotdog Fingers Mafia
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1038537
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... &start=200

That might be a helpful skim for you. Because maybe I'm wrong! Get your own taste for it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:29 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:29 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:05 am Game dead already?

Let's revive it

Who is in your PoE now?

Just seems like Epi, Robyn, Zenon right?

Epi wolf world works with both, Robyn wolf world works with both, Zenon wolf world works with both.

ohhhhhhh okay

this took me a lot of rereading to understand

almost got mad at you again for doing weird read switching

but you're suggesting epi/zenon team

only person Seanzie didn't vote yesterday at some point was falcon

but we already knew falcon is town

Seanzie incredibly gracious, confirmed, btw

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:17 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:58 am @Epignosis we need to talk

+1

I wanna hear where Epi's head is at

Spoiler: show

because weirdly enough I think I agree with zenon

going to sleep, see y'all tomorrow

okay scratch the spoiler why tf would wilgy vote guillo D1

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:58 am @Epignosis we need to talk

+1

I wanna hear where Epi's head is at
going to sleep, see y'all tomorrow

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:58 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:56 pm so people who had or have Rem/Robyn teams

explain why it's +EV for both wolves to miss EOD, in 5 minutes or less

I don't think that's necessarily the team, but not showing up to EoD is almost always either NAI or caused by wolves afraid to upset the balance or out themselves. This isn't a +EV or -EV thing (with the exception that sometimes it is actually strategic for wolves to miss EoD)

fair. and I'm posting this literally too early. always time for a wolfy pop-in