The Syndicate

I was lowkey hoping to die tonight . Why my suffering has to continue

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Thats a weird kill. And only one?

Hum

Im sheepimg Mayo here which is the obvtown that already has a pelt

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:57 pm @santygrass sheep me or I'm gonna just vote you out.

Why do you care so much about genny?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm I'm ngl I haven't really been scumreading Santy lol.
I get it.

I remember this one time, I was traveling in the Andes with my grandmother.

When we woke in the morning, she was missing. I panicked.

I rushed down the slopes of the mountain. In a wild fury I couldn't even feel the branches of the trees in the cloud forest whipping against my skin. The moisture in the air mixing with my own sweat and blood. I was soaked.

When I reached the thick foiliage of the jungle below I saw my worst nightmare.

My grandmother.

On the ground in a heap.

Above her

A jaguar. Perched and ready for the coup de grace.

Like a madman I rushed the beast, but with a look, it halted me in my paces.

We stayed like that

Eye to eye, locked on the edge of eternity

I saw the secrets of the universe. The past. The future.

My own mortality and my own immortality swirling in the yellows and oranges of the creatures eyes.

Finally, I saw the answer.

The underlying truth, not only to this moment, but to my entire reality.

I had been experimenting with ayahuasca for the past week.

There was no jaguar.

There was no grandmother.

Just a shit ton of ayahuasca.

Was it like that?

I dont get it but I love it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:54 pm I don't think Genny is likely mafia. Especially not WC. I don't think they'd even bother to come back and make a derpy claim if they were a wolf and had been run up as hard as they were.

I think they dont have much unpairing and if somehow they are losing hard as wc it is explained their play right?

Idk Im not seeing genny as clear and high equity of them being the another faction just for how hard is it to get them yeeted

(See Seanzie and me being cw to them , weird progression from both miranda and mighty . Sloonei too)

I still think we kill genny here. Mighty has the insanty thingy and the vote on Falcon D2.

genny has none lf that, a non AI claim and just how people resisted so much to their yeet. Also their pop-in and lack of self-pres is hard for me to see as not wolfy IMO

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:51 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm Two days in a row I've led counterwagons and the only person who bit twice was MR7.

Nate and Neon bit on the Seanzie one too. But MR7 bit both times.
Miranda was also on Seanzie though?
Not based on the poll I just read.

Oh, think I am confusing with the Seanzie vote from D4

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm I'm ngl I haven't really been scumreading Santy lol.

Smh I was right all along

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm Two days in a row I've led counterwagons and the only person who bit twice was MR7.

Nate and Neon bit on the Seanzie one too. But MR7 bit both times.

Miranda was also on Seanzie though?

If I go over. My flip should tell you a little thing.

Mac is practically outed. Read my ISO, my reasons. How they tried to twist and extrapolate stuff to make me more wolfy. They should be 100% accountable for their actions and be yeeted/vigged

Seanzie I think is town, but is dependent that I think genny is scum and both me and them were wagons to protect genny. Look at the people on both myself and Seanzie wagons and be surprised tbh.

SAR I kinda think is probably wrong town? At least I feel like following her mind the most.

Miranda and Mighty progression dont make sense. Think Miranda is prob more wolfy than Mighty, but both deserve to be judged on this. Also have a lot of partner equity with Mac./genny

Sloonei is my blindspot. Rn I am like "wrf are they doing vlting me?" . GTH is some of my reads are wrong they are wolf. If they arent, then they prob town

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:13 pm FTR I believe genny's claim

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:14 pm I also believe genny's claim . Don't think its alignment indicative though
@santygrass have you role claimed?

Not saying you have to, just could be a good idea to bring clarity.

Don't claim fruit vendor. That won't work.

I am vanilla . But I have a community role .

Wont tell what it is

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit

Answer my question. You want me yeeted the most?
I am nit talking in a me or genny way. Out of all players, you want to yeet me the most?

genny still didn't self-pres fwiw

So vites should virtually be 7-5

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement

Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:36 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pmZzz
Ah yes I love the way you respond to suspicion by explaining calmly and rationally how it's wrong. I should be more like you.

Agreed

Zenge clearly stated that he was townreading how I approached them, the same thing you seem to scumread.

But you do you Mac, keep on if that makes you happy

I never knew Zenge and psv scumread me . The thing you learn

Is only Mac here or what?

/shrug . I said it more than one time I was expecting for you to try to understand my progression.

Keep trying to not read me and twist things into your narrative. I don't care Mac . I'll stop interacting with you

"Go and read why I sus you"
*Makes an ISO calling them wolfy without addressing any of my reasons*

Those are just facts Mac. Me flipping town here should be the wake-up call that you just decided to push me as a misyeet and blatantly ignored me and tried to reason with me .

Its not hyperbolic lol. I even ignored all your casing to avoid making it worse

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:19 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:10 pm If y'all flip me, when you see I was town. 100% want to people to stop tring Mac.

All the 'wolfy and paired with falcon' is pure bs that Mac should know its not wolfy at all from me and isnt just them having a read wrong. Remember they said to ISO me to look at why I sussed them and avoided all of those posts.
I pulled quotes and explained it well. Your rebuttal is to call it pure bs and tell me I should know it's not wolfy. Kindly fuck off Santy.

Samesies. I chose not to rebuttal it because Its dumb to start a fight when genny/Seanzie was the focus so I still think I did the right play and people voting me rn are faar more likely to be scum here /shrug

Like, even if its real, they don't give town information if we yeet them, and still can prove it next day if we dont .

So if its true, I think W!genny claiming to have used it on psv its just correct play

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:16 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:14 pm I also believe genny's claim . Don't think its alignment indicative though
Her using it on PSV the night PSV died makes her less likely scum imo

I think its the correct play to make if scum though? Specially if they are the ones who killed Psv .

I also believe genny's claim . Don't think its alignment indicative though

Also this isn't a tie because genny can still self-pres

I mean, even when you posted that I was the second slot with more votes?

How much have you been reading genny?

If y'all flip me, when you see I was town. 100% want to people to stop tring Mac.

All the 'wolfy and paired with falcon' is pure bs that Mac should know its not wolfy at all from me and isnt just them having a read wrong. Remember they said to ISO me to look at why I sussed them and avoided all of those posts.

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:01 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:57 pm
genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:56 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:25 pm @genny where are your thoughts right now? Who do you think if woofin?
can i give you my thoughts if i'm not woofin? lol

i feel like the village has been pretty accurate thus far in sniffing out wolves (aside from myself), so i don't think i'd go outside the consensus POE.
Okay. But.

What are your reads?
village: mayo, neon, santy, mac, sloonei, nate

neutral: dennis, SAR

wolfy: mighty, miranda, SAR

I think Im PoE and have been pushing Mac aswell , why you said initially to keep yeeting in PoE if you were villa reading me?

Also ig the SAR in the wolfy tier should be Seanzie right?

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:56 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:25 pm @genny where are your thoughts right now? Who do you think if woofin?
can i give you my thoughts if i'm not woofin? lol

i feel like the village has been pretty accurate thus far in sniffing out wolves (aside from myself), so i don't think i'd go outside the consensus POE.

Okay. But.

What are your reads?

Mac/Miranda I think should never be two towns.

Miranda progression in me is questionable. But at the same time I think the exposure here is rather unnecesary Unless they are partnered with genny so Im keeping my vote

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:51 pm i'd rather chop anyone other than me tbh

Then maybe use your vote to do that?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:47 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:11 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:10 am Hard disagree with genny being pure rand.

They are most likely to be scum.

#PSVSheep
Why are they most likely to be scum?
PSV read them as likely scum . Regardless if they were nked or not, I think that read alone makes genny more likely to be scum.

Mayo or SAR correct me here if Im wrong, but most of the time I see genny have lowpost aswell and people like PSV villaread them because of their vibe.
I don't have a very good history on reading genny, but both PSV and now Mayo voting there makes genny most likely to be scum.
Also them not posting like at all its something to consider ig. Could be an indicator of genny having more akwardness or trouble to post than normally
Genny is a low poster, but genny shows up.

I think there is a difference.

Village genny plays her cards close to her chest, but she is solving the game. I don't see her doing that this game.

Her VCA also favors !wolfgenny. Parking votes off wagon or voting a packmate (falcon) late for credibility.

The caveat - Usually activity is NAI on SDN. I easily could have been misyeeted D1/D2 for having a bad few days at work.

It's been long enough that I am comfortable voting genny today.

@miranda920 @SARdoghandler @mightyrunner7 I want the three of you to read this and then state why are you prefering to yeet Seanzie over genny

I told Mac to look into My ISO why I sussed them.
They ISO'd me and decided to not bring up any of those post.

And then I should believe that you are trying to see eye to eye with me here?

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:10 am @santygrass how has my play here differed from Stardeww (where we were both village and you read me correctly) or Hannibal (again, both town, but you "vibed with me")?

Two main differences.

I dont have Dubz soulread to trust here.

I find your reads here and takes much more bland/null.

I felt like In stardeww you did *stuff* even if it was lazy like C'mon even from the cenentery I was rooting for you and you had a Goated reassess moment with Dubz rooting and sending vibes to you. Your head was doing work there and I could see that. Here, I don't nearly as much, so I wont call them equal.

Though what you say is still the reason I havent voted for you so feels weird you are ignoring that and acting as if I'm actively pushing you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:43 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:34 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:27 am Its 2:30 AM I am not sitting down. I am already laying down in bed.

I hope @supershorty is also in bed. If not, go to bed shorty
Just stop being so overreactive and shirty. It's a nerdy game of mafia played on forum tech from the turn of the millennium.
That was not me being overreactive. That was me doing a joke calm down.

I'm in zen mode rn. Maybe difficult to read town, but think lf me saying things like 'Snap your neck' in the mlst natural and chill way hmmyes
You are a lamist omgusser.

I cycle through my reads up and down all game.

You started flipping your lid on me cuz I took you out of my towncore. I didn't even scumread you.

I'm going to do that in every town game I ever play. I've slipped everyone in and out of tiers all game. It's my process to do it and it functions well. Watching how people react to how I read them is an important part of my solving process.

What you seem to think is wolfy doesn't apply to me.

Ner ner ner ner ner.
If I think your proccess on making a read I dont care if its a scumread, removing of towncore or even townreading someone.
The proccess / approach or logic behind it felt fake. I still kinda think that but have it with a lot less wight that I had before. At the very least I think its not omgus, its the part in where you trying to dismiss it and step on my read instead of trying to find why I was doing that or seeing eye to eye with me.

And I have see you be town before so its not even like I dont know your proccess or form of forming reads
So your suspicion boils down to ... I was mean and belittled you instead of hashing it out?

All I can say is you don't know me very well then.

I have explaine more than ten times why I scumread you Mac , go and read my ISO if you forgot. Here I say why the things you are using as NAI for you, I say they dont help me at all ti get a townread on you.

I get better reads at people interacting with them . You are making it very difficult to engage with you , so my read on you isn't probably going to change that way, its what I a saying.

Now Imma sleep gn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:37 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:33 am Mac, can you explain your townread on Sloonei?
I have literally no reason to suspect him.

What's he done that I'm supposed to be sceptical of?

His mindset has been visible to me the whole game and even when he's been wrong he's telegraphed exactly how and why he was wrong.

I am certain he isn't a WC. And if he was on the other faction I can't imagine we'd even be having this conversation because he would be the deepest wolf of faction 2 and he'd have us eating out of his hand. But that's not gonna appeal to you.

No reason to suspect doesnt equals townread though? It would be a null read if you dont have a reasom to townread.

So like, I know you have more experience with Sloone than I do. I have more trouble seeing mindset , so if you recall parts of Sloonei mindset being villagey it would greatly help me .

Probably I will be reading them again sometime soon~

Now I think I'm going to sleep

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:34 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:27 am Its 2:30 AM I am not sitting down. I am already laying down in bed.

I hope @supershorty is also in bed. If not, go to bed shorty
Just stop being so overreactive and shirty. It's a nerdy game of mafia played on forum tech from the turn of the millennium.
That was not me being overreactive. That was me doing a joke calm down.

I'm in zen mode rn. Maybe difficult to read town, but think lf me saying things like 'Snap your neck' in the mlst natural and chill way hmmyes
You are a lamist omgusser.

I cycle through my reads up and down all game.

You started flipping your lid on me cuz I took you out of my towncore. I didn't even scumread you.

I'm going to do that in every town game I ever play. I've slipped everyone in and out of tiers all game. It's my process to do it and it functions well. Watching how people react to how I read them is an important part of my solving process.

What you seem to think is wolfy doesn't apply to me.

Ner ner ner ner ner.

If I think your proccess on making a read I dont care if its a scumread, removing of towncore or even townreading someone.
The proccess / approach or logic behind it felt fake. I still kinda think that but have it with a lot less wight that I had before. At the very least I think its not omgus, its the part in where you trying to dismiss it and step on my read instead of trying to find why I was doing that or seeing eye to eye with me.

And I have see you be town before so its not even like I dont know your proccess or form of forming reads

Also, for the logical solving question and stuff. I think Mayo/Nate better fit that description. I think SVS bit I might be biased because I like their reads so honestly I have ti recheck

Mac, can you explain your townread on Sloonei?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:30 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:18 am @Seanzie @santygrass talk about each other plz
GTH town, the wagon on them feels like a wolf is riding on it. And also the 'You are townreading me' perspective from Seanzie feels believable to me rn.

But also this is the first read I have formed in Seanzie so the fact that they were UTR for like 3 days its hard to ignore ig.

But yeh, 100% would yeet genny before them
It is kinda weird you both ignored each other for 3 days. Maybe you're the last two WC.

You think Seanzie did much to be read or noticeable?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:27 am Its 2:30 AM I am not sitting down. I am already laying down in bed.

I hope @supershorty is also in bed. If not, go to bed shorty
Just stop being so overreactive and shirty. It's a nerdy game of mafia played on forum tech from the turn of the millennium.

That was not me being overreactive. That was me doing a joke calm down.

I'm in zen mode rn. Maybe difficult to read town, but think lf me saying things like 'Snap your neck' in the mlst natural and chill way hmmyes

Its 2:30 AM I am not sitting down. I am already laying down in bed.

I hope @supershorty is also in bed. If not, go to bed shorty

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:18 am @Seanzie @santygrass talk about each other plz

GTH town, the wagon on them feels like a wolf is riding on it. And also the 'You are townreading me' perspective from Seanzie feels believable to me rn.

But also this is the first read I have formed in Seanzie so the fact that they were UTR for like 3 days its hard to ignore ig.

But yeh, 100% would yeet genny before them

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:13 am @Sloonei talk to me about Santy. He's tunneling me and I want to kill him for it but I also don't want to kill someone just for tunneling me but his read on me is so anti town and bad and it feels like a read where he has TMI that I'm mafia except I'm not if that makes sense lol.
Santy is someone I have seen posting a lot, but have never felt an overwhelming sense of towny sincerity from him. Even in this exchange over the last few posts, their objections have felt a little hollow.

BUT Santy’s most recent post in our conversation finally earned him a slight townie point. The little “Aha” moment where he seemed to understand what I was saying felt sincere.

At the same time, his prods for Genny to confirm my claim also feel hollow. You can object to my tactics, but why on earth would my claim be a lie?

Regarding the last point. Regarding whatever you believe, its the correct mechanical play /shrug.

You could be lying or it could be a confirmation of action manipulation that we could be missing if genny isn't asked this lol. I think its kinda basic play so Im surprised you see this as hollow

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:15 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:11 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:10 am Hard disagree with genny being pure rand.

They are most likely to be scum.

#PSVSheep
Why are they most likely to be scum?
PSV read them as likely scum . Regardless if they were nked or not, I think that read alone makes genny more likely to be scum.

Mayo or SAR correct me here if Im wrong, but most of the time I see genny have lowpost aswell and people like PSV villaread them because of their vibe.
I don't have a very good history on reading genny, but both PSV and now Mayo voting there makes genny most likely to be scum.
Also them not posting like at all its something to consider ig. Could be an indicator of genny having more akwardness or trouble to post than normally
PSV reading them as scum doesn't make them scum. Unless you are trying to say PSV has perfect reads.

If PSV had perfect reads, genny would be lock!wolf.

But I say more likely to be scum, because PSV has good reads, and its a confirmed town . Not listening to that seems dumb

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:13 am @Sloonei talk to me about Santy. He's tunneling me and I want to kill him for it but I also don't want to kill someone just for tunneling me but his read on me is so anti town and bad and it feels like a read where he has TMI that I'm mafia except I'm not if that makes sense lol.

This is what makes me want to snap your neck Mac.

Read my last list. I put you as town there.

Yet I see make post like this saying I am tunneling. You just show me again and again that you are not reading me and just blatantly advocating to kill me and putting my reads down

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:11 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:10 am Hard disagree with genny being pure rand.

They are most likely to be scum.

#PSVSheep
Why are they most likely to be scum?

PSV read them as likely scum . Regardless if they were nked or not, I think that read alone makes genny more likely to be scum.

Mayo or SAR correct me here if Im wrong, but most of the time I see genny have lowpost aswell and people like PSV villaread them because of their vibe.
I don't have a very good history on reading genny, but both PSV and now Mayo voting there makes genny most likely to be scum.
Also them not posting like at all its something to consider ig. Could be an indicator of genny having more akwardness or trouble to post than normally

Hard disagree with genny being pure rand.

They are most likely to be scum.

#PSVSheep

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