The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:50 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:48 pm At least thanks to my role town won . Tie Breaker op
Wait, are you saying you picked SVS over yourself to die?

I know. It was a close call.

But also I put a gif to dance on SVS grave

Also Mayo I still think your vote was not favourable to town.

Moreso because I wanted to see how votes rolled to see where to consolidate. But I think it applies for all townies that just need consolidation near EoD and just going by unvote most EoD to a vote last minute just encourages chaos and situations scum can take advantage more easily

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:48 pm I love how santy’s very weak for-fun-why-not community role just decided the game.

It was a really good powerful please. I felt so entitled at EoD knowing my odds of living were higher than normal peasants

At least thanks to my role town won . Tie Breaker op

Smh I was right on all my townreads and also extremely wrong on the masons noOoooOooo

The level of Skill Issue istg

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:59 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:58 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Actual suspicion or self-prez?

You already asked me why svs was sus and I answered mayo. If you vote me read me smh

If Im wrong in Dennis-Mighty

Svs-Mayo might be it?

Yeh Mayo thats is one pretty scummy looking vote ngl

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

You either vote Dennis, SVS or me.

3 choices Mayo, the longer you take the scummier it is because you are not letting town consolidate

Like, what are tou waiting to vote for?

Now I'm thinking Mayo may be scum smh

Also Mighty, if I go by your own metrica of 'scum pushing someone that is clear to me'

You, Dennis and SVS are voting for me rn. And not one of you had made a proper case. The most I have is retaliatory sus (In a claim you revognize you fumbled , and someone using Mac's reads and shielding Dennis t vote me ¿? )

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:45 pm My dearest Abigail,

How can I make amends for my long silence? Perhaps terror of this place has redirected the focus of my heart from that which it truly desires.

You made clear your dissatisfaction in calling me by nom de guerre. I can fault you not.

I trust despite you gentle nature and distaste for violence you may take a small comfort in the knowledge that my vengeance was complete.

Every last creature with even the least contribution to the foul machinations of mother's death have been extinguished from this Earth.

I looked each of them in the eye as their dreadful spirit departed for eternal damnation.

I know not now if I shall soon depart these lands to once again be welcomed in your warm embrace, of if I am still destined to rejoin mother.

Regardless. My conscience is clear.

Yours, always,

-Mayo

If your concience is clear, then make your vote clear and dont make it closer to EoD please. Thats not helpful

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:45 pm
mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:43 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:33 pm Where they did speak up for you ?

Also, if not for me I think no one is pushing much for you as masons today.

So everyone except Neon and me would be cleared if you by that read Mighty. And you are townreading me , and Neon has a proven roleblock on Dennis and you've got tl recognize that how they reacted to Dennis at EoD and just Rbing Dennis n1 are likely villa stuff
Why is Neon cleared? I actually think 3P Neon makes sense, and would be my choice after you. Neon has chaotic energy, and unlike mayo, doesn't have any strong village credibility. Am I missing something?
You know for a fact that they are RoleBlocked, and roleblocked you.
Don't get what you mean by chaotix energy, that's Dennis FPSing in an EoD if anything LoL.

Hard shielded Miranda and just had an overall condiction in reads and care that for an 3p was not needed ?
Is roleblocker incompatible with 3P?

I am looking at the use of said role, it is far more telling than the role itself

Also, Nate was pushing Dennis .

And I also am telling you that most lf the game is not pushing you. So unless you have a independent scum, then your read does not apply . I am not saying to not use it, but you are filtering your view a lot here.

Like, you think that the read of scum just letting my push on you run and be kept away from the violence is not valid?

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:43 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:33 pm Where they did speak up for you ?

Also, if not for me I think no one is pushing much for you as masons today.

So everyone except Neon and me would be cleared if you by that read Mighty. And you are townreading me , and Neon has a proven roleblock on Dennis and you've got tl recognize that how they reacted to Dennis at EoD and just Rbing Dennis n1 are likely villa stuff
Why is Neon cleared? I actually think 3P Neon makes sense, and would be my choice after you. Neon has chaotic energy, and unlike mayo, doesn't have any strong village credibility. Am I missing something?

You know for a fact that they are RoleBlocked, and roleblocked you.
Don't get what you mean by chaotix energy, that's Dennis FPSing in an EoD if anything LoL.

Hard shielded Miranda and just had an overall condiction in reads and care that for an 3p was not needed ?

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:41 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:33 pm Where they did speak up for you ?

Also, if not for me I think no one is pushing much for you as masons today.

So everyone except Neon and me would be cleared if you by that read Mighty. And you are townreading me , and Neon has a proven roleblock on Dennis and you've got tl recognize that how they reacted to Dennis at EoD and just Rbing Dennis n1 are likely villa stuff
Do a quick ISO on SVS for today. Literally ever post is pro Dennis or pro believing the Mason reveal.

I'm not saying it's clearly, I'm just asking why a 3P would do this, when the more logical choice seems to be a push on the Masons (since the 3P faction knows we are a threat)

Who is pushing you both apart from me Mighty is what I am asking. I think you are seeing one side completely dismissing the other that goes fully against your read ?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:39 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:36 pm Mayo I am waiting to see where you vote btw
I might have bad news for you...

Show them pls

Mayo I am waiting to see where you vote btw

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:32 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:28 pm Mighty, what do you think of SVS vote?

And Seanzie / mayo?

Like, assume I am a villager here. Who am I misclearing??? Try to shed some light or direct me into other ways to help me out of the tunnel instead of going 'nope u gotta die here'
Haha, I've been trying to post my SVS thoughts for the past 30 minutes but kept getting distracted by thread, losing my work, and having to restart

That's why you think too much.

Brainspew for the win. I usually dont know what I am thinking until I read what I just posted hmmyes

Where they did speak up for you ?

Also, if not for me I think no one is pushing much for you as masons today.

So everyone except Neon and me would be cleared if you by that read Mighty. And you are townreading me , and Neon has a proven roleblock on Dennis and you've got tl recognize that how they reacted to Dennis at EoD and just Rbing Dennis n1 are likely villa stuff

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:27 pm @santygrass - why you playing so hard today?

Because I feel entitled enough to do so.

I am usually a much better/invested late game player as well so that may factor in

Mighty, what do you think of SVS vote?

And Seanzie / mayo?

Like, assume I am a villager here. Who am I misclearing??? Try to shed some light or direct me into other ways to help me out of the tunnel instead of going 'nope u gotta die here'

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:25 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:21 pm
mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:14 pm Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs
Here is the Mason role description from JJJ in the intro:

"mason - two masons may be confirmed as town to one another and share a behind-the-scenes chat"

I dont think Mason can be 3P by game mechanics

I meant more in the sense of you having a chat with one another since the start. But fair ig .

Mighty, you really think I'm scum here ??? Why try to kill me on survival instead lf try to solve?
Santy, take your vote off Dennis and I'll take my vote off you

Frankly, the past couple hours you have sounded significantly more likely to be town than 3P as you started using a little more reasoning. My main reason to yeet you is every theory you have assumes Dennis and I are 3P, so if you are unwilling to even entertain another reality, I'd rather flip you than anyone else tonight

My vote alone isnt going to get Dennis yeeted you know?

You are doing it backwards. Show me.that you can solve as well.

You are not solving because of survival when is not needed from you?

Like, we are at D6 man, voting someone in such a retaliatory way isnt going to solve the game

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:23 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:20 pm @Mayo the Mayo your community role redirect, how it worked? If I'm right, it only worked if you used it on someone from a community to make thrm act on someone from other community.

Or maybe a more bland 'only use it on someone from your own community?'

If it didnt had a restriction , or a conditional restriction that you could avoid I'll shut up and vote SVS
Why SVS?

Self preservation or something more?

I'm much worse at 3P hunting than wolf hunting, but I've been reading them as vil

Its combination of

Having reasons to townread everyone else not named mighty and dennis + them being focused only on miranda and not much more from day play + not casing and solving like before + opportunistic and hypocritical vote on me

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:08 am I think Dennis and MR7's play is mason-like. Their claim is weird, but their play does back it up, and I think a lot of Santy's points were conf-bias rather than "This is not how mason's play".

I am a little bit weirded out by their claim, but as far as I see it, they should be off the table for today. Re-eval tomorrow.

In particular, we're at 9 people right now, so we have 2 cases:

1.) We're secretly in elo - then there are at least two baddies outside of Dennis/MR7, so we can try to find them.

2.) We aren't in elo - then we will have time to resolve Dennis/MR7 at a later date if it seems like there are any cracks in their story.
I kinda wanted to say this last night actually, but I choose to refrain so that I could see Dennis and MR7's reactions. In particular, Santy started making good points against Dennis' claim, and I decided to vote Dennis in order to put slightly more pressure on Dennis to see where Santy's push would lead (and I didn't like how Dennis seemed to have disappeared once scrutiny was being applied... which I still kinda don't like, but meh... I'mma put that on the backburner for now). Then Santy started doing the ISO dives, and I think Santy pulled up a lot of posts that looked mason-y, but calling them not mason-y, and I kinda wanted to be like "Ehh... idk about all that", but I felt it was better to just let it sit and see how MR7 and Dennis respond. Then MR7 started responding but I was sleepy.

Think this is very villagey in this gamestate , but make your own judgement

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:19 pm Why are we giving Sneezey a pass today?

They had slme villagery posts, and I think they meddled in my push while still keeping solving tbh

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:14 pm Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs
Here is the Mason role description from JJJ in the intro:

"mason - two masons may be confirmed as town to one another and share a behind-the-scenes chat"

I dont think Mason can be 3P by game mechanics

I meant more in the sense of you having a chat with one another since the start. But fair ig .

Mighty, you really think I'm scum here ??? Why try to kill me on survival instead lf try to solve?

@Mayo the Mayo your community role redirect, how it worked? If I'm right, it only worked if you used it on someone from a community to make thrm act on someone from other community.

Or maybe a more bland 'only use it on someone from your own community?'

If it didnt had a restriction , or a conditional restriction that you could avoid I'll shut up and vote SVS

Think I'm at

> Them being able to talk all game between each other (true)
> Dennis knowing tuutuu healed Mac (true)

> Them neighborizing tuutuu n2 with their community role (fake)

So, alternate posibilitier

> Dennis is Watcher/Tracker whatev from 3P
> They had a neighborizer without restriction, just as a base role. One of them talked to tuutuu through it? Hard to belive but maybe more likely ?

Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:43 pm It is not impossible that we only have a single non-town player left in the game.
@santygrass - and herein lies my problem with the fake mason theory. If we are hunting one person then the mason claim is the least likely. Also, why definitively pair themselves at this point in the game?

Maybe a hail mary? But it's a big play for two players who probably weren't going out today.

If we knew FOR SURE that there is only one scum left, then yeah the mason play is villa.

We do not. Like, if you try to form a 2+ scum team , which names would you put excluding Dennis and Mighty?

Ftr I was thinking of fakeclaiming a sort of a community investigative that told me the restrictions of roles or something along thr lines to create a "fake-outing mech" but I decided to go for the more truthful route.

Skill Issue, as some might say

Also, fwiw my community role is tie breaker. As long as the tow people are from different communities, I get to decide.

Me and Dennis are diff communities so even if the votes are at 3 I'll decide .

So, my question for the class is... Why would a Tie would be in the need of restrictions even when my base role is vanilla. And then someone with an already good base role (masons) also had an unrestricted neighbrorizer ??

And then they ask on thread the slot they neighborized why are they confident on them town??

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:56 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:53 pm Equity level = Number of people you never voted

7 = Mayo and Dennis
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie
I see, thank you. And your argument is that it more likely makes him scum in this game state?

I don't think is something damning. But I'm mulling over it.

Another point btw . Nate was one of the slots keeping more track of the mech. They were the nightkill. They also sussed Dennis. I KNOW I am tunneling at this point and I see the signs everywhere, but at the end of the day I dont see like something giving me pause not going there today?

Worst Case scenario would be that today is a sort of mylo or near that. That would mean 3 or so scum alive. And I for the live of christ cant make a team without the dennis and mighty in that scenario.

The world in where I am wrong feels like SVS maybe only scum left alive or paired with someone also near PoE. And still yeeting and being wrong on Dennis/Mighty gives us another clear that they will be kinda forced to take care.
We need to resolve this sooner than later I think

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:53 pm Equity level = Number of people you never voted

7 = Mayo and SVS
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

Fixed

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:48 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:47 pm I think SVS looks like the most 'equity spewed' if it makes any sense or I am crazy ?
Explain equity spewed?

As in "More likely to be partners with"

My reads there was that SVS play this game when looked upon could kinda fit with anyone as scum duo ?

Doing numbers mayo kind of does too, so idk how much to give it credit for.

ALThough, mayo's thread position as locktown almost makes it different? Like ofc no one is going to sus them while WereCreatures were still alive so its more expected that no one really put them under scrutiny ?

Equity level = Number of people you never voted

7 = Mayo and Dennis
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

I think SVS looks like the most 'equity spewed' if it makes any sense or I am crazy ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 8:04 pm Everyone has received a special broadcast!

Have never voted for each other:

Dennis/mighty
Dennis/SAR
Dennis/SVS
mayo/mighty
mayo/Nate
mayo/Neon
mayo/santy
mayo/SAR
mayo/Seanzie
mayo/Sloonei
mayo/SVS
mighty/Nate
mighty/SAR
mighty/Sloonei
mighty/SVS
Nate/Neon
Nate/santy
Nate/SAR
Nate/Sloonei
Nate/SVS
Neon/santy
Neon/Sloonei
santy/SVS
SAR/SVS
Seanzie/SVS
Sloonei/SVS

...when I started doing this I hoped the list would be shorter tbh

Neon - Sar
Mayo
Sloonei - Seanzie

SVS

Dennis - Mighty

My question is...

If SVS is evil 3p , I see the as:

Paired with Dennis/Mighty > Some SK of sorts, Individualistuc > Paired with a misclear like Mayo , Sloonei or Seanzie ????

So I think that if people dont see the same as me in regards to the masons , I'd go to SVS. But looking at bigger picture I just have trouble imagining a world where except SVS yeet ending the game, I could see Mighty/Dennis pair as 2 villa masons

And once again we dont know marmot affiliation and its still a likely candidate for that faction, and Mayo redirect is heavily unpairing with them

I do think that the shot is pretty clearing tbh.

Like, is it lock clearing? Ig not. But shooting at a PoE slot early for an antitown faction is not optimal ig

And like, SVS seemed like wanting to bathe in the cred of a Miranda yeet so idk. I think its at least plausible

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:20 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:19 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:16 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two
They were hyperfocused on miranda, and the confidence level on miranda being a wolf thinking of possible 3p wanting to take over gives me the heebie jeebies.
Them voting me with those reasons also doesnt help me to see them better
Would 3p want to take over, knowing that that would bring increased scrutiny onto themselves? Having wolves keeps the heat off a bit.

Having no control of the nightkill means that they could die in the night though.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:01 pm And SVS is opportunisticly voting me while calling me opportunistic too ig.

And SAR/Neon is always town
I’m voting you because I don’t want Dennis yeeted, and I find you more likely to be bad than Sloonei, who was the alternative.

Is hyperbole a town thing for you?

This still doesnt explain a single read you have on me.

Like, are you using meters to compare now? This feels so disingenous at this point of the game. I called your read/arguments down and your answer is to look at alternatives and who is more 'likely' to be bad? Like are you looking at odds now? What happened to reads like tou had on Miranda that you dived deep into ISOs ?

If it were ONLY on you, who would you yeet ?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:16 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

They were hyperfocused on miranda, and the confidence level on miranda being a wolf thinking of possible 3p wanting to take over gives me the heebie jeebies.
Them voting me with those reasons also doesnt help me to see them better

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

Maybe is a toneread and I could be pocketed here, but they been always pro-villa? Are super unpaired with a potential 3p (marmot) . And I think they just were super towny and had thoughts super good from before getting the Lawpy yeet.

Maybe is the slot I would recheck if proven wrong in my PoE first? But its like I have the feeling of just them locktown from before Lawpy flip and even if I do not recall it entirely see no reason to doubt it now?

And I think them appearing now is towny for dubious reasons. But yeah, not quite as a lock or confidence as I have in other reads rn

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